mircea_popescu: much like the entire lulz with "impeachment" six or seven versions ago, back when it was "mishandling of secret documents",
mircea_popescu: besides, he's supreme commander. he literally can do ~anything~ in the army, including appointment of corporals.
BingoBoingo: I though the bulk of the headcount sat at E-4. It's the "auto-promotions end, so you sit here until your contract expires" rank
mircea_popescu: by the pantsuit favourite metric tho, ie headcount, nobody above e2 counts anyway
BingoBoingo: Sure, but they'd have to be brought in. I dunno if the US military has anyone loyal in uniform today above E-5 or O-2
mircea_popescu: so he can get the arizona ranchers getting free govt dole, instead of the ohio horseface whatsername wanna-be careerwomen
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-08 06:47:43 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-06#1956652 / http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-07#1956667 so... logically speaking, after the betrayal in the middle east (because yes, the complete collapse of anything like usg foreign policy is very much the direct result of deliberate activity by incompetent, yes, but also very much disloyal blue elements), the us "military" is just about ready for a
mircea_popescu: poor spyked's getting like the largest count of these, "sorry, turns out bot was ok" things
spyked breathes relieved. just reread the unsubscribe code and it's conceived so that the bot only operates on exactly one feed when the command is issued. would have been very bad news to observe this kind of misbehaviour
diana_coman: spyked: let me know if you need any other info from my end.
diana_coman: also, by now it apparetly finished whatever it had queued since it's finally quiet; so the async as you describe it seems to fit.
diana_coman: so it's just the async unsubscribe issue remaining; sorry for the false alarm on the other bit.
diana_coman: I looked back on previous !1 list and it seems there's no problem there actually aka indeed I had subscribed only to comments rss for trilema (weird but not the bot's fault)
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-08 09:44:56 spyked: what happens is that the notifications can remain in the queue even after you unsubscribe, and there's usually some delay between when they get pushed and the time they're sent
diana_coman: spyked: I was subscribed to both articles and comments feed afaik; let me rummage through old logs as I prolly have another earlier !1 list and will give you a paste of it all.
spyked: what happens is that the notifications can remain in the queue even after you unsubscribe, and there's usually some delay between when they get pushed and the time they're sent
spyked: diana_coman, could you plox send me a transcript of your convo with feedbot? I wanna cross-check with what I have on my side. I think I got why the messages got sent after you unsubscribed, but it's weird that all trilema.com feeds would get removed (were you previously subscribed to anything other than the comments feed?)
diana_coman: perhaps we further found some bug(s) in feedbot given the above so even more good news and fronts and all that!
mircea_popescu: on the good news front, tearing through 2018 nao, so shan't be long i don't expect.
diana_coman: and uhm, now there's no trilema.com feed in the output of !1 list, neither for comments nor for posts, unless I'm somehow just not seeing it; weird stuff.
diana_coman: by the looks of it, it's still going too, ugh.
diana_coman: spyked: I gave up and unsubscribed from trilema's comments, feedbot confirmed (<feedbot> diana_coman is now unsubscribed from http://trilema.com/comments/feed/) and then 1 minute later, promptly fed me 2 more trilema comments; am I doing something wrong?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-12 05:20:58 mp_en_viaje: it stops being cute when you start driving yourself nuts with it. how in god's own reddish hells are you supposed to say, aforehand, what the qualifications for contributing are ? in the next two days, you're gonna produce that ? how ?
mircea_popescu: wtf is this nonsense, first drastically overshoot, then get fatigued, then run away. there's a reason you don't http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-12#1955110, and this'd be that reason.
mircea_popescu: after the original pantuitist "kick out all competent colonels because muh precious cuntlets", time for an erdogan-like "kick out the pantsuits".
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-06#1956652 / http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-07#1956667 so... logically speaking, after the betrayal in the middle east (because yes, the complete collapse of anything like usg foreign policy is very much the direct result of deliberate activity by incompetent, yes, but also very much disloyal blue elements), the us "military" is just about ready for a 2nd coup
BingoBoingo: In US Uni Lulz https://archive.is/QAbe4 "UMaine's College Republicans asked for her oversight shortly thereafter, when their previous adviser moved to another state. She agreed, but didn't last long. Fried resigned after a month, saying she wanted to disassociate with UMaine College Republicans’ hardline anti-immigration stance and use of social media to "get a rise out of people.""
ericbot: Logged on 2020-01-06 22:05:12 mircea_popescu: incidentally lobbes , now that i'm back @travelbase or how shall i put this, shall we get back to the logger thing ?
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2020-01-06#1956654 << this week I've commited to getting a Gales install and report complete, however next week I was indeed going to work on the final setup and testing for the mp-wp logger. If all goes well I should be free to give it another shot on around the 20th of this month
mircea_popescu: replete with "qui tam" and every other sort of byzantine nonsense blackwater & the rest of cheney's merry gangs introduced into usgistani business as usual.
mircea_popescu: ers and thats how Tiversa received access to FBI proprietary surveillance software and equipment, which they then allegedly used for their own gain."
mircea_popescu: "The complaint, filed April 28th in the Southern District of New York, alleges that Tiversa was able to hack into LabMD using FBI surveillance tools. The real nut is LabMDs allegation that Tiversa got its hands on the FBI tools from Buchanan. Back in 2007, when she was U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Pennsylvania, LabMD claims that Buchanan used the services of Tiversa in the prosecution of child pornograph
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in very contrived lulz, https://abovethelaw.com/2018/05/biglaw-firm-accused-of-covering-up-for-hacker/
BingoBoingo: I'm not entirely sure they were all Asian, but I've also not seen the short sorts of Hispanics *ever* get as fat as those mayo glumps.
BingoBoingo: There are now weirdo evengelicals hyping "Madre Dios". Three short fat confused looking asians flagged me down near Plaza Independencia. I thought they wanted directions, but eventually it comes out that they wanted to tell me all about "Madre Dios"
mircea_popescu: incidentally lobbes , now that i'm back @travelbase or how shall i put this, shall we get back to the logger thing ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yes, but they can derplock on the more mundane concepts like "How much time is this going to take?" and other frictions of the Sal Inglesa variety
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/fixing-the-trilema-reference-base/ << Trilema -- Fixing the Trilema reference base.
mircea_popescu: uppity idiocy, the necessary result of welfarism.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-05 07:20:03 hanbot: i don't think it's just as good in-universe; it's better. keeping it real, you know, not like those jaded monied assholes who aren't Feeding the World with their inexplicable windfalls like they would. besides, their bower's stacked with comfortable consumer plastics, the best mudpies that could be --mudpies necessary, in fact, for existence. the town folk can't even tap screens to digest dinner, they sit around and TA
diana_coman: sure, no argument there either; it is how the whole pile ends up that big and stinky and intricate, after all.
mircea_popescu: assignment in if clauses is probably the dumbest c-ism ever
mircea_popescu: if it weren't for all their self-loathing, she'd be a lot more popular i guess.
mircea_popescu: hanbot, i suppose frances mcdormand is the consummate icon of this outlook. not just in fargo, remember that scene when she is unhappy with the level of service the soviet embassy is providing ? "I AM AN AMERICAN CITIZEN!!! GIB MONYZ!!!"
mircea_popescu: who the fuck comes up with this shit
hanbot: i don't think it's just as good in-universe; it's better. keeping it real, you know, not like those jaded monied assholes who aren't Feeding the World with their inexplicable windfalls like they would. besides, their bower's stacked with comfortable consumer plastics, the best mudpies that could be --mudpies necessary, in fact, for existence. the town folk can't even tap screens to digest dinner, they sit around and TALK, like, to real faces, who
mircea_popescu: wanna see their local clean room ? 100% built out of straw and mudpies ? clean to 10 ppk standard! it's just like ppb only with a k.
mircea_popescu: "what can you do", right ? the fact they're in the mud d oesn't mean they should get out, wash up, move to town (if it'll take 'em). the fact they're in the mud simply means all them high falootin' town things will have LOCAL EQUIVALENTS!!!!
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-04 12:54:22 billymg: lol re: reddit wank, looks like they nuked the only sane comment in the thread https://old.reddit.com/user/Hanna_Rosin -- 2nd comment (archived) --> https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/eiskr6/i_was_reading_saifedeans_book_and_saw_mircea/fd2697f/
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-04 11:11:58 BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-04#1956595 << I encounter this all the time here, asking questions the locals never consider they'd be asked.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-04#1956606 << oh, you mean like in http://trilema.com/2015/argentina-for-business/?b=The%20administration&e=shit#select ? mmyeah.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/the-magics-of-cereal-boxes/ << Trilema -- The magics of cereal boxes
mod6: Yeah, forgot to :wq the thing. Should be good to go now.
BingoBoingo: mod6: Doesn't particularly look like any of the four made it on to the list I'm seeing from here https://archive.is/LY5zE
mod6: BingoBoingo: Cool! Updated. I take it you still have 192.187.99.74 too, or does that need to be removed from the list?
billymg: lol re: reddit wank, looks like they nuked the only sane comment in the thread https://old.reddit.com/user/Hanna_Rosin -- 2nd comment (archived) --> https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/eiskr6/i_was_reading_saifedeans_book_and_saw_mircea/fd2697f/
BingoBoingo returns to hammering the servers into serving names in sync
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-04 09:01:11 mircea_popescu: i dunno, the part where people of reddit are grandstanding offa imaginary high moral grounds re imaginary "child porn"... whole fucking alt-trilema that's reddit exists because of their unmitigated love for child porn. if it weren't for that dedication, the spearhead of unlaid dorkitude'd still be called digg.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-04#1956579 << It's as simple as gmaxwell killing -otc to try to prop up the actual USG kiddie pornists of Reddit for all of the nothing upvotes are worth.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-04 09:39:35 mircea_popescu: yeah, the more i think about it the more i'm persuaded : this is the problem, fellows got FIXED codecs, tryna apply them results in ~random noise within a few steps.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-04#1956595 << I encounter this all the time here, asking questions the locals never consider they'd be asked.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell mod6 If you are still updating the node list on the trb site I've got: 143.202.160.10 in Costa Rica, 88.80.148.58 in Bulgaria, 192.151.158.26 in Kansas, and 205.134.172.4 in AlfRack running and sync'd. First three running 99999 version number, last running 70001 version number.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, made a proper one, delete the mangled.
diana_coman: fixed aka added the links to the text I cite in the article; the archive copy you provide is also useful as it further adds the refs on tarabostes.
diana_coman: re links from the logs, I should have added the content properly formatted with links included, indeed.
mircea_popescu: yeah, the more i think about it the more i'm persuaded : this is the problem, fellows got FIXED codecs, tryna apply them results in ~random noise within a few steps.
mircea_popescu: i'd guess trying to read trilema without being actually literate (which specifically denotes the ability to follow emergent codification from the text) should be pretty fucking trippy.
mircea_popescu: this is probably the case.
hanbot: lol inferring the meaning of terms via one's own, forced context --the natural consequence of growing up on inferring meaning from the text's context!
diana_coman: alternatively, it may also be that they simply take the words/expressions (word salad) (because ...well, they work, right?) and then they proceed to use them as it seems to them that it "should" be; (I kind of got to see this in action with that shrysr guy).
hanbot: mircea_popescu: damned near. my tolerance for the sorta shit seems to have gone down. i need a hazmat suit or something (or a chill pill, heh).
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: that's why I find it funny; precisely because of this "it's so much further away than that, that we'll call it ...that; a sort of heat seeming cold and the other way around.
mircea_popescu: these dudes wanna talk about word salad ?! it's like some crow living atop the city dump "criticizes" suburbia for disorderliness. i dunno a whole year of recent logs packs as much salad as they manage to stuff in those 6k misfortunate words.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, the funny thing is that no trilema article is... i mean look at that junk, curl http://archive.is/L7xDs | wc -w > 6111
diana_coman: I found it funnier re "trilema.com is word salad" tbh; I'm not sure there's much more to it than that though, not even sure what would "persuasive" mean in their context, exactly.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it seems they're kinda stomping themselves over there, would-be #reddit alt-tmsr l1 is getting massacred in their attempt at creating a narrative. i guess it helps being persuasive, if you're gonna try and lord huh.
mircea_popescu: no, i understand why they have my poster up in the room or w/e. that, however, is where they enter into it. i'm over here.
hanbot: you enter into it inasmuch as you won't play the fucking-with-the-margins-enacts-substantial-meaning game with them, and it threatens the conscience, so you've got to be evil/Really Bad/etc
mircea_popescu: i dunno how i enter into it ; but it's self-obvious that all the various would-be mini-republics will work the exact same way. they fucking have to, what.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, the part where people of reddit are grandstanding offa imaginary high moral grounds re imaginary "child porn"... whole fucking alt-trilema that's reddit exists because of their unmitigated love for child porn. if it weren't for that dedication, the spearhead of unlaid dorkitude'd still be called digg.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-01-04 05:38:15 mircea_popescu: because totally, this is how the pantsuit "sincere regret" device works : gmaxwell is "sincerely sorry" about his 2011 "business" in his mind only wasting a buncha people's coins, therefore "mp largely slinked off into the shadows after one of his crappy businesses disappeared with people's coins".
hanbot: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-01-04#1956563 << i dunno what's more enraging; the mendacity, the projection, the indolent ignorance, the feebleness, or the marriage to platform.
diana_coman: lolz; I'll go to see to the child for a bit.
diana_coman: yeah, it's not ..the first time.
mircea_popescu: the absence of this event ~= staying home.
mircea_popescu: i'm out here reading through the bottom decile of the dcu rejected applications bucket.
mircea_popescu: because totally, this is how the pantsuit "sincere regret" device works : gmaxwell is "sincerely sorry" about his 2011 "business" in his mind only wasting a buncha people's coins, therefore "mp largely slinked off into the shadows after one of his crappy businesses disappeared with people's coins".
mircea_popescu: this time walking dead neckbeard maxwell retconning history about how me ending #bitcoin-otc as a going concern over their tolerance of inept pantsuitboy whiteknighting meanwhole became in the whiteknight's mind "me promoting outright child rape".
mircea_popescu: https://old.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/eiskr6/i_was_reading_saifedeans_book_and_saw_mircea/ << meanwhile in outright batshing insane lulz from yet-another #asciilifeform
lobbes: diana_coman: woah, you are right; I had never realized that there is no year 0 in that calendar scheme
lobbes: diana_coman: hm, but then what about, say, 0 A.D.? Wasn't that the start of the 'first' decade?
ericbot: Logged on 2020-01-03 07:54:24 mircea_popescu: and in other wtf, hey lobbes does http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/12/paying-penance-for-walking-the-path-of-derealisation/?b=honestly%20a%20kind&e=slept#select work as intended for you ?
BingoBoingo will be re-reading docs on nsd. Logs suggest clock disagreement took down the group.
mircea_popescu: it ain't me this time, the name's bought till 2025
mircea_popescu: and in other wtf, hey lobbes does http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/12/paying-penance-for-walking-the-path-of-derealisation/?b=honestly%20a%20kind&e=slept#select work as intended for you ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, actually, neither qntra nor thewhet load here ; nor is the dns working, try a dig.
BingoBoingo: mod6: Sorry, was referring to thewhet.net. It's loading.
mod6: Alright, noted. I'll see what I can do about that in the next few days too.
mod6: Now that my blog is back up and working (blog.mod6.net), I have a number of articles to write here in the next serveral days with further thoughts/details surrounding the items in the State of Bitcoin Address.
mod6: Ladies and Gentlemen, The Foundation report has been deeded, and placed here for review: http://thebitcoin.foundation/reports/btcf_address_201912.txt
mod6: Was just going to double-check this old blog-post link before adding it to my post: http://thewhet.net/2017/10/a-compendium-of-possibly-helpful-stuffs-for-erecting-mircea-popescus-wordpress-with-nearly-free-speech-hosting/
mod6: is thewhet.net down for anyone else?
trinque: BingoBoingo: tx dispatcher for deeds is back in action. I'll get the site generator pointed at the new stuff tomorrow.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/01/illinois-residents-enter-2020-by-lining-up-for-herbal-remedy-to-forget-they-live-in-illinois/ << Qntra -- Illinois Residents Enter 2020 By Lining Up For Herbal Remedy To Forget They Live In Illinois
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2019/a-brief-look-at-the-real-estate-rental-market-in-bucharest-cca-2019 << The Tar Pit -- A brief look at the real estate rental market in Bucharest cca. 2019
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/2019/bootloading-operating-systems << The Tar Pit -- Bootloading operating systems, some opening bits and the current state in personal computing
trinque: article width meanwhile prolapsed my theme too
trinque gets to unfucking all the above, thanks y'all
mircea_popescu: trinque, your blog ate the links in muh comment. here's the original : http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=AD_t
mircea_popescu: trinque, can i get you to use sane referencing for quotes ? your http://trilema.com/2015/the-anal-child/#selection-43.31-47.27 selects http://trilema.com/2015/the-anal-child/?b=s%20no%20point&e=he%20kno#select , is that what you meant ?
mircea_popescu: this, for the record, is the first time in my life i've actually had this problem. i been preparing for it all my life, it's true, but i never actually had it before.
mircea_popescu: well good for you then ; ima go back to trying to dig myself out from under all the publishings omfg.
diana_coman: lolz; I was about to say that compared to further trying to get sense out of cs entrails, just about ~anything else qualifies for happy.
mircea_popescu: lol. i mean it as the term of art, seen in "vincent ? are we happy ?"
mircea_popescu: but that's the idea : what i mean by " we systematize the pile" is that first we make a large pile, then we select from it to make a smaller but correctly structured pile, and then we use the pile to fix cs where needed (and also we convert some portion of the larger pile left out, that's worth doing)
diana_coman: ok; worth noting that the "piped into" part might itself be quite involved / will depend on what's exactly in that pile from a/b.
mircea_popescu: (watch that at some later point, all the assholes who were "too busy" to help out when it mattered will whine about why bitcoin is so expensive now, and their work not worth jack once we didn't need it anymore so they finally deigned to doing some)
diana_coman: what are the steps going to be re "graphics on client side"?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: what about cs/ps anyway? ie graphics as "how & what to store" is one thing; there is still at all times some sort of "how to get from data to pretty pics/animations/etc"
mircea_popescu: anwyay -- i kinda do want a done anyway, so if any of the unemployed in the audience wants to hop to, do talk to me about it.
mircea_popescu: you get to sit with your drink and mull the depths.
mircea_popescu: the advantage of a truly republican new year's celebration
mircea_popescu: usure you wouldn't rather choose a ?
mircea_popescu: now, the risk with choosing b is that it can readily turn into the grave ; in the hands of any being an engineer that'd be exactly the necessary outcome. it can take forever, yes ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not about to go paying idiots a whole lotta money so they're a little bit less idiotic, what the fuck.
diana_coman: I didn't keep track but I do recall at least a few off the top of my head, yes.
mircea_popescu: gotta be at least a dozen, including both the expert who made one splash screen and the contest winning kid on tardstalk who made the other.
mircea_popescu: but this aside : our position is remarkably vulnerable, because of the countless ways in which people are morons, from the pure bobeckistan of blender (and let's not forget how python got indexed in the first place) to a very thick stripperweb-style tarabostes idi
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-30 12:41:13 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, the way this coming to a head is working out in my head is as follows : you have practically speaking the option to either a) go trawl the entire internet, drag out ~everything~ that's conceivably useful (submit expenses report for stuff that's behind reasonable paywalls i guess) and then we systematize the pile ; or else write a possible-lifeform-generation machine and see what you want it to save
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-30#1956451 - pretty much b then, for so much "choice" , huh.
mircea_popescu: it does. if there's a meteor land tomorrow wipe out "humanity" there'll be exactly nothing lost. except for the stench it wouldn't even be noticeable anything occured.
diana_coman: myeah; that basically says "you'll have to build up the people too so..."
mircea_popescu: you meet more 30yos, you'll meet more alfs in the best case. i am so fucking uncurious to be meeting anymore alfs...
diana_coman: the thing with the AI/automated generation was initially that "can't beat human at this sort of task" iirc.
mircea_popescu: neither of these is shaders specifically, because obviously neither can be shaders specifically, because how
diana_coman: if you mean "art products" by that everything that's conceivably useful then yes, indeed, I was thinking precisely of that rather sad attempt, hm; the idea -naive!- behind that to my mind was more to find perhaps as a result *people* doing something useful in that direction, hm.
mircea_popescu: or whatever, how the data should be kept.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, the way this coming to a head is working out in my head is as follows : you have practically speaking the option to either a) go trawl the entire internet, drag out ~everything~ that's conceivably useful (submit expenses report for stuff that's behind reasonable paywalls i guess) and then we systematize the pile ; or else write a possible-lifeform-generation machine and see what you want it to save.
ossabot: (eulora) 2017-02-05 hanbot: fwiw diana_coman i have a blender-made animated character guy finished and am gonna try out the crystal space exporter thingy as per http://www.crystalspace3d.org/docs/online/manual/Blender.html , prolly tomorrow. if you have any tips/pointers/etc in the meantime pls to schpiel at me
hanbot: yeah there's some #eulora refs like http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/eulora/2017-02-05#940257, i sincerely dun recall properly documenting tho', probably part and parcel of the overwhelmed at step 10 of 10 thing. mea culpa, i oughta know better.
diana_coman: and no, I wouldn't start making another blender, ugh.
diana_coman: re maintaining the infrastructure, I don't see how it can be really justified as such anyway given that uhm, those doing something with it are anyway essentially non-existent currently so can't maintain so they "do" anything; and if it is to *also* build them up, then well, they'll fit whatever infrastructure is provided, not the other way around.
mircea_popescu: i recal lpictures of the slime guy in it!
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I had the article on the toolchain to help her as I knew she was having a go at it based on some discussion in #eulora I think; maybe that?
mircea_popescu: hanbot, why the fuck didn't you write it out ? i remember reading SOMETHING.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, the problem with the foregoing is that i can kinda ballpark the COST of maintaining all the infrastructure for monkeys to typewrite at their leisure. so can you, i expect.
hanbot: nah, i committed a major sin there, possibly i'll have to pay by starting over and properly documenting.
mircea_popescu: where was the article btw, got a link ?
mircea_popescu: so you're saying the unusable tools part was not the making but the exporting, as it were ?
hanbot: i had a lot of fun modeling a slime guy in blender, then discovered getting it to a usable form via "baking textures" etc 5 or so layers deep was ... i guess i'd call it beyond my attention span.
mircea_popescu: except, of course, they don't. and when hanbot TRIED to do it, she died in a flaming mess of deeply inadequate tools. she almost made a slime. ALMOST.
mircea_popescu: so it's worth making a thing like blender, and then making a thing like the inexistent exporter, and then making a thing like cs, and all the xml wrapping and etcetera,
mircea_popescu: so hard and difficult and unapproachable and scary and etcetera is this question of splittign the space, that it is worthwhile to go to all the trouble of farming a bunch of morons, because their crap/noncrap decision is tantamount to fucking holy, and no deployment of anything but honest to god THE dude from big lebowsky can possibly cut it.
mircea_popescu: but mostly, there's going to be empty space. or rather : "crap" is the largest equivalency class.
mircea_popescu: alright. out of this space of 3bn units, once applying the rule of "looks like a game character" (or "mob" or whatever forumation of "is useful for eulora") there's going to be a few equivalency classes (most visible on say nintendo, bcause most annoying on nintendo, really, the wolf+1 gets blond hair ?)
mircea_popescu: a cube a thousand pixels wide will take, to be naively described point by point, about 3*256 Gb. this means there's about a trillion such cubes. yes ?
mircea_popescu: now let's see here : leaving aside for the sake of discoursive coherence the correct vectorial representation, and making do with a purely catesian approach (aka bitmaps) for the time being, on the expectation that while this rather than that allows much easier quantification, that rather than this doesn't magically pack much more complexity, greeks be damned :
mircea_popescu: do you see the argument that "an sukhoi" is worth exactly the same as "an ai", in the sense that they're the ash of a cigar someone else smoked, the marblecake of an anal cavity someone else fucked, and, to quote the quite prophetic mr mel again, what's the point of a program that can't rewrite its own code ?
diana_coman: as above, it's negative value, below that "not much" for the sukhoi.
diana_coman: rather: unclear what *useful* thing it does
diana_coman: what, for buying an AI system that is "very powerful" when ran through the proprietary bundle & otherwise unclear what it does?
mircea_popescu: if run through the proprietary bundle, it beats any human at go.
mircea_popescu: now, suppose we change out the sukhoi, and chande in instead "an artificial intelligence", specifically, a few TB of w/e worth of mostly 0s, binary values.
mircea_popescu: a very simple thing : systems of really really many linear equations with really really numerous variables hidden behind very small parameters.
diana_coman: myeah; I fell in love with it at 17 (when read the promise) and then promptly barfed by 19 (when encountered the full extent of the "practice")
mircea_popescu: artificial intelligence as actually extant today is, leaving aside all sorta obscure lulz alf used to like referencing about expert systems and nato wargames, and the assorted lulzpile of neural networks and etc from the very dead 70s, and also leaving aside the whole life OF MINSKY, and then sussma
mircea_popescu: "artificial intelligence", like "flight" or whatever else, is as such and in the abstract a long cherished dream of humanity.
diana_coman: oh huh, only one? dunno, perhaps the idea is to reverse engineer, that might be about the only possible value I can see but it's dubious for all sorts of reasons.
mircea_popescu: i suspect the item as discussed is actually worth 0, yes, making complete idiots of the management of all the us' "allies".
diana_coman: if you are asking "what is this item worth to *you*", well, not much; the fuck do I do with this sukhoi.
diana_coman: because "what this item is worth" depends on more than just the item in itself and I have no idea even on the item really, let alone the context.
mircea_popescu: so, the sukhoi 34 is a pretty cool plane ; in any case the basis of the russian defeat in the field of usg's pretense to air participation. now suppose for the sake of argument someone comes offering to sell one ; and suppose further that you're to advise on the purchase by providing a single scalar value : what the item is worth iyo.
diana_coman: the sort of accumulating accidental complexity, to link it in with trinque's thread re OS.
diana_coman: hm; I keep thinking that "perhaps I don't know enough about them to find the value" ; as I see them now, they are more accumulations of trial and error/overfitting/tinkering though so they seem of very little - or indeed negative - value tbh.
mircea_popescu: perhaps it's why you're asked then.
diana_coman: oh boy, I'm possibly the last person to ask for an argument pro "valuable" on those.
mircea_popescu: explain this to me, can you ? why are these valuable ?
mircea_popescu: the other part is that, well... why exactly is a texture / skin / shader / model / anything else in compgfx even valuable in the first place ?
mircea_popescu: one is that a coupla years of diligent work have gotten eulora to this position where it actually outgrew the intellectual basis of the community such as it is in pretty much every respect. many things nominally upstream would be inputs for this decision spot but are sadly absent, from "well... what about scheme then ?" coincidentally brought up avbove to the self-obvious "how did the western world produce 0 graphic art
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: hm, thinking now about it, I think there might be, namely the more directly game-relevant parts that are also not yet fully spec (eg character, structure/item etc); I need to go over it in this light, put the graphics to the side for now and see from there.
mircea_popescu: were there more chunks you could be working on ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, let's restate this, so currently work on nailing down the comms protocol is stalled on a definitive universal data model, which is stalled on graphical use in the client, that about it ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-28 02:22:16 mircea_popescu: so listen... while you were away there's been a lot of progress ongoing in the republic, these guys now have blogs and stick to publishing planning schedules and such wunderbar alien techs. you gonna catch up with the group ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, motherfucker, they force-inherited us with their idiotic everything-depends-on-everything-else model, did they!
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only lisp i use how shall we put this, on a day to day basis as opposed to some kinda ceremonial function
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 09:56:30 mircea_popescu: neways, as to the burning "OTOH, I wonder if things like Apache or imagemagick get installed, how will the package management system work out, and how comprehensible will system stay?" question -- i see the merit of using the clean spot as a fixed point to attempt expanding cleanliness. so, it would work by apache becoming tmserv or w/e, and not sucking anymore.
hanbot: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-29#1956198 << i thought i got rid of the need for imagemagick with gimp's built-in scheme thing: http://thewhet.net/2019/11/a-little-bit-of-tinyscheme-a-lot-of-cozonac/?b=It%20turns%20out%20the%20box&e=thereby#select
diana_coman: oh; I was blissfully unaware of the extent of xml-shading, lolz.
mircea_popescu: 56 stars ans 86 forks, if this ain't the mark of the times i can't imagine what'd be
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, in other keks, https://docs.libretro.com/development/shader/xml-shaders/
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-30 07:02:12 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-29#1956250 << i honestly think it's the right approach. "identify an useful iota of acceptable internal structure and measure everything in that". next step self-obviously being, "once pretty much everything's within the first sigma, take another look at what you mean by acceptable internal structure".
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-29#1956260 << it seems indeed well borne by experience that the only thing "uses lisp" codes for nowadays is mental derangement.
mircea_popescu: it is, in fact, the foremost worth.
mircea_popescu: in short, we might be one or two "cultural aspects" away from anything like a useful or usable version of common lisp. now go fuck some teenie boppers on cam ; and when you're done have them eat your ass. ON CAM. and then maybe we lisp together, later.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, all solved problems begin their life as solved problems through first being closed ; a refusal to close problem and a tendency to "keep problems open" is in the end specifically what neoteny even is.
mircea_popescu: but you don't ~like~ closed problems, or rather, you deem the putative existence of such a thing as closed problems as such a threat to your misconception of identity, it's almost like it's the koschei stealing the above-linked "cultural aspects" of young female chest away from you.
mircea_popescu: and what i mean by "there's no more space" is rather a lot in the vein of "you lot chafe and get massively butthurt at even the faintest version of what that world would look like anyone [by which we mean me, for lack of alternatives] can come up with". lisp is a tool for resolving closed problems, not for floating about the endless uncharted seas [http://trilema.com/2014/i-love-rochester-so-will-you/?b=try%20to&e=swim#
mircea_popescu: the main problem (and the reason i don't come across as much of a lisp fan) is that since the 80s complexity exploded significantly ; there's no more space for proto lisp as represented by mel ; nor for the classical lisp as represented by the defunct moron club.
mircea_popescu: THAT is the great value of lisp, in its classical form as understood by they regarded as luminaries by the "cultural aspects" crowd : that once you're done mentally digesting your problem, the peristalsis is as short and uncumbersome as it can possibly be.
mircea_popescu: does indeed dance with these wolves) ; and then once THAT is complete the solution takes five minutes of notation.
mircea_popescu: traditionally lisp coding consists of spending some time to ~well~ understand your problem ; the internal ast of this digestion is not well fit for language (even though yes, the bleeding edge of human technologies & understandings as represented by trilema
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 18:19:37 whaack: diana_coman: if i search for a piece of lisp code to do something, I have a (perhaps naive) belief that I am more likely to find something well written, since there are fewer people using the language
mircea_popescu: ral carefully disolving every grain of actual thought into many galons of moosauce (which is what the "go playing" moo-engine even uses to identify "similar" bits "that might interest you")
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-29#1956258 << except for the part where lisp code production was never this paste in google / paste from github. this works well for ineptly structured languages like the moroncrowd favours, that are lenghtly verbose and cubical-dweller optimized, loaded with wooden tongue constructrs and in gene
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 18:19:12 trinque: all my tmsr work to date could've been php or pyshits for all the difference it would've made.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-29#1956257 << except, of course, for the cultural aspects, amirite.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 18:13:10 diana_coman: re paster though tbh this attempt (coming as it does on top of the previous mess with python and its flask) left me looking again for not using either.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-29#1956252 << the only practical approach to evicting python for the active diatesis of the logger is to rewrite that part in bash ; which, without an actual decision to do this from now on is imo inexcusably gnarly.
mircea_popescu: the ratchet, yes ?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-29#1956250 << i honestly think it's the right approach. "identify an useful iota of acceptable internal structure and measure everything in that". next step self-obviously being, "once pretty much everything's within the first sigma, take another look at what you mean by acceptable internal structure".
mircea_popescu: not to tar you with a well used brush, but it HAS been the experience to date.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 18:12:50 whaack: trinque: First, I find it more pleasant writing in lisp. Second, I like the cultural aspect of a (present day) more niche language. Then for problems with python: i find the single line lambdas a strange requirement, and not having tail call optimization is lame (although i admit i can't think of many/any cases where that's been a problem)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-29#1956245 << indeed, ash/bash prolly the way to go. otherwise, "tcl/tk in python as tinkler" hurr durr, god help us.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-29#1956242 << more probably, something like "lisp castrated into scriptlang"; thoguh there's also lua or say tcl...
ossabot: Logged on 2019-08-26 13:49:11 phf: you ought to consider moving here, or at least coming for a visit. the place is a lot livelier than dc, food is better, girls are prettier, things are generally cheaper, etc. etc. etc.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 15:14:42 mp_en_viaje: and in general -- the absentee, the insufficient, the "otherwise busy", the butthurt, physically or mentally -- better pray they're in fact quite as inconsequential as they seem.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 18:01:33 trinque: I'd be willing to abandon lisp for now, seeing as how the usable components incur at least another 400k lines of bloat, and for that you gain yet another javascript ecosystem.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-29#1956241 << right. ye recently stated yet nevertheless very olde http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954792 says hi to http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-08-26#1931212 & friends nao.
mircea_popescu: and of course fixing c compilation so it's no longer outrageous idiocy "that works" (tm) is precisely not a possible utilization of lisp because the fucking reason it even exist is so as to not have those problems, and so on.
mircea_popescu: n aircraft carrier to sunbathe.
mircea_popescu: sp systems that just _don't_ offer the serious advantages that solid Common Lisp systems do that people can't _afford_ to provide for free." carrying the day with me, but in larger part the actual absence of any serious problem (besides, ~perhaps~, this) we actually could meaningfully use it for. you really don't need lisp to make a blog anymore than you need a
mircea_popescu: this is in part naggum's "in my view, Common Lisp provides _values_ that far exceed what other languages do, but I fully realize that people won't understand this until they have actually experienced the problems that it solves for them. now, what's _really_ sad is that those who want free Common Lisp systems have _not_ seen what the commercial systems provide in just this way, and they will go on to make free Common Li
mircea_popescu: (sadly, there's a much better example, also in the form of a naggum exchange. it revolves around "common misconceptions" and such typically pantsuitist wooden tongue, but now i can't fucking find it. though i clearly remember discussing it recently(
ossabot: Logged on 2018-01-05 01:21:45 mircea_popescu: https://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3129644482406982@naggum.no.html << this exchange with fare is pretty amusing/informative both wrt "who is this francois-rene rideau character ?" and as an early "bitcoin improvements from the sewer" sampler/potputre.
mircea_popescu: "latest and greatest" asdf is exactly like all the other gpg 2.0 - gcc 19.firefox & assorted thunderbirds. and François-René Rideau aka fare is still that infantile dumbass.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 17:38:31 whaack: diana_coman: From my experience, for most packages from quicklisp you're going to have problems if you don't have asdf 3+, which comes with sbcl 1.4.14 (not sure what the first version of sbcl with asdf 3+ was)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-29#1956220 << and the only reason this horror passes silently is that ~everyone else who knew lisp well meanwhile took an arrow to the butt and fell back into the swamp.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-29#1956212 << for some reason the proposal there's multiple choice there sits ill with my totalitarian mindset ; but we don't have to argue about it rightnao.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-29 13:51:19 trinque: I agree that there should be single, correct answers when choosing components (as I'm trying to lay out the options for such selection in my series), but not that each component is always present in any system.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-29#1956205 << i don't think anyone's proposing all components should be present in all systems. rather, i expect the v-way to do this is end up with a large tree, with some usually-favoured leaves or final branches. the gui/nogui split seems very early, like one of those
mircea_popescu: the "fuck ints" order came iirc 2017