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ben_vulpes: esthlos: 7.1.15 has mssql in addition! http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/OxsNy/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: esthlos: i see mysql and msqli flags for dev-lang/php-7.1.15 and just the mysql flag for dev-lang/php-5.6.34
ben_vulpes: thanks for questioning, mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: no i take it back, it's loading everything in vhosts.d
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i haven't put major time into this particular burr, but it is on my conveyor and i don't expect it to be a major pita or be seen by anyone but me
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i must be thick, or whoever packaged it for gentoo did some inscrutable 'simplification' as a vanilla apache install over here came with none of the conveniences i expected to see a la a2ensite or sites_enabled/disabled, adding Include /path/to/vhosts.d/*.conf caused serverwide barfage
ben_vulpes: but for example pizarro.danielpbarron.com and thewhet.net are both functional, although hanbot's lacks the pretty links for another little while
ben_vulpes: phf: not much trying left; i'm in the weeds of migrating folks .htaccess files to apache 2.4 format from 2.2
ben_vulpes: i haven't even figured out how to get apache to include a whole directory of vhosts yet
ben_vulpes: anyways, i gotta collect numbers on eg nginx php-fpm; apache php-fpm and apache mod_php for publishment; i'm hoping that the proxy slowness i saw a few days ago was the "entirely nonbroken stack" of http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-4-12#331707 because that at least promises each users php process will be run as that user
ben_vulpes: or or someone has a php app that allows for uploads of stuff and then execution of those uploaded files
ben_vulpes: and i don't know enough about what could go wrong to let user b write into user a's directory through some nightmare within apache
ben_vulpes: i'm kinda a little puckered about using the apache worker model; i'm going to have to set up something that lets folks upload content
ben_vulpes: phf: yeah that's what i determined
ben_vulpes: > whorde << nice one phf
ben_vulpes: !!key ascii_lander
ben_vulpes: alcohol y portland lol
ben_vulpes: ah, stray h. /me bbl
ben_vulpes: valhallah!
ben_vulpes: hanbot has something in her .htaccess i haven't worked with her to unsnsarl yet
ben_vulpes: i dun count
ben_vulpes: who isn't isweatergod
ben_vulpes: i want to read what trinque has to say as well
ben_vulpes: 'too big to fail' i mean
ben_vulpes: thoughts topmost on my stack (after apache arcana) are about the implications of the foundation backing the 'tbtf' initiatives. i know that someone must, but going from a rate of zero in however many years to two in two quarters is worth pausing and thinking for.
ben_vulpes: (look gossipd works, asciilifeform can take a nap)
ben_vulpes: trinque: rang, asked me to pass on that a) he doesn't need help insuring the hotwallet, and that b) he's thinking really hard about how much of linux and the rest of the stack to insure on his own back, and the moral hazard of doing so
ben_vulpes: 1 btc sounds like it would insure the hotwallet for quite some time, sounds neat but let me think about it
ben_vulpes: for teh cbd?
ben_vulpes: looking forward to giving it a crack myself
ben_vulpes: nifty hanbot
ben_vulpes: only guess i got
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: are you verifying the otps in private?
ben_vulpes: and clearly none of them can type on their own
ben_vulpes: yeah i can't this thread anymore, too damn seductive.
ben_vulpes: bang gas is then a pressure-drop triggered combustion?
ben_vulpes: anyways i have a girthy sql to wrestle and http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-3-23#317862
ben_vulpes: hypergolic?
ben_vulpes: this gets tried once a generation
ben_vulpes: "i know, let's premix our fuel and oxidizer!"
ben_vulpes: heh ah ha
ben_vulpes: i think it puts the water in the wrong place. you get dry, hot air which you'd then have to cool and compress into the engine and cold wet air (possibly with the water condensed out entirely with a spigot)
ben_vulpes: you get some gases that speed up, pulling energy out of the gases that slow down which dump energy into the higher speed gases. not purely a 'sorter'.
ben_vulpes: jurov: it's alll the same thiiiiing
ben_vulpes: hellish inferno of combustion chamber is at very high pressures in engineered rocket engine.
ben_vulpes: this is the ramjet
ben_vulpes: not on the tarmac
ben_vulpes: you'll want to compress it somewhat for reasons of efficiency; consider again the diesel and its turbo
ben_vulpes: heh well then you gotta cool the dryer, dontcha
ben_vulpes: or hm
ben_vulpes: could make a good intercooler for garage flugenthingers
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yeah here and there, more frequently we simply flooded the workpiece with coolant.
ben_vulpes: might work if you had enough expander and volume to slow the intake down and get it out of the incompressible regime
ben_vulpes: "The Use of the Expansion of Gases in a Centrifugal Field as Cooling Process"
ben_vulpes: there is an expander in the diagram, had a sign error
ben_vulpes: nono color me thick
ben_vulpes: not condense, but compress.
ben_vulpes: it'll cool, sure, but nowhere near as much as if it were a gas, as the gas will condense and pull further heat out of the local system.
ben_vulpes: just cribbing from wikipedia here, but "there is no longer cooling observed since cooling requires compressibility of the working fluid"
ben_vulpes: refrigeration depends on compressibility of the working fluid
ben_vulpes: won't work past mach
ben_vulpes: interesting
ben_vulpes: my first q is what is the breadth of intake gas velocities and fluxes that such a device could handle
ben_vulpes to ice hands
ben_vulpes: beg pardon, that's done
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ben_vulpes: gonna spam for a sec, pls hold
ben_vulpes: and what do you do with all that spare time
ben_vulpes: avgjoe: studie in system oppression and advanced microagressions or what?
ben_vulpes: eyy trinque neato
ben_vulpes: what are you studying though?
ben_vulpes: well it's more of a nineties yahooforum pink sheet stock but that's neither here nor there
ben_vulpes: what are you studying?
ben_vulpes: avgjoe: this is some altcoin?
ben_vulpes: hey it is your faq, you may answer as f as you like
ben_vulpes: puts one miles ahead of eg localbitcoins, puts the personal aspect of trust front and center.
ben_vulpes: trinque: dude has a point, self-referential though it might be faq.html would benefit from an "i am trinque, and have been running this service for members in good standing of the #trilema wot and others before it since XXX"
ben_vulpes: trinque: web site is run on a daily job?
ben_vulpes: not so average joe
ben_vulpes: im generally suspicious of food from plastic bags
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: that thing was way too way over the top
ben_vulpes: tenor has certainly changed around here of late.
ben_vulpes: i was halfway expecting to see the classic machinegeneratedliquishit objections
ben_vulpes: in other modern scotchguardlifeamericana, these "100% cotton!" napkins are clearly coated with some heinous anti-absorbent "nanotech". yes, works to wipe crumbs off toddlerface but holyfuck is aggressively and annoyingly nonabsorbent.
ben_vulpes: ty mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: aok so the Order/Allow can probably be swapped for the 'modern' Require styles
ben_vulpes has yet to put rubber to road on this, still researching
ben_vulpes: huh danielpbarron mentioned to me that it writes the permalinks into .htaccess, this is not so?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the .htaccess files included with/generated by mpwp include the `Allow` incantation, which is not a thing in apache 2.4; trilema purports to run on 2.4.16; can the Order/Allow incantations be replaced with the 2.4-style Require?
ben_vulpes: experiments from the kitchen, im sure more variants with chocolate will appear as soon as i mention the idea
ben_vulpes: (and it doesn't even have any chocolate...)
ben_vulpes: i have been seduced into liking sugary delights!
ben_vulpes: sounds tasty
ben_vulpes: well they are a far cry from the mango gelato of mircea_popescu's haremfactory but goshdarn these alfajores are magical with coffee in the morning
ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/EadTe/?raw=true << either star trek smoke and mirrors or the stuff of boyhood dreams (sabre anti freeze)
ben_vulpes: black magic, i tell you. cold-fusion grade bezzle.
ben_vulpes: ah there it is
ben_vulpes: why would the intake stream have to get that cold?
ben_vulpes secretly holds out hope for ssto
ben_vulpes: basic principle is to dump the heat from intake into the onboard lh2 supply, boil a bit off to turn the pumps, and then cut over to internal supplies once out of the atmosphere.
ben_vulpes: yeah, they did some really impressive work with fine pipe drawing for the intercooler, and some Black Fucking Magic to keep hell from freezing over
ben_vulpes: buncha british poofs have a magical ambient-air-breathing-theoretically-up-to-mach-5 rocket engine system
ben_vulpes: awww shit reaction engines limited bezzled boeing and rolls-royce into pouring another pile of bezzlars into the sabre engine
ben_vulpes: .126s without dns
ben_vulpes: but i see i see.
ben_vulpes: you put those goalposts back
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nginx can serve hanbots in .01s, not the .6 of apache
ben_vulpes: i am still flabbergasted that it takes apache 2.7 seconds to render what nginx can do with the fpm pool in a tenth of a second.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: thank you so very very much.
ben_vulpes: ain't all about you sweetie
ben_vulpes: hanbot must have some special sauce in her mp-wp
ben_vulpes: narf narf narf
ben_vulpes: but also not having .htaccess apparently sucks
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: 2.7 seconds suxxxxx
ben_vulpes: ama nap, that sounds good right now
ben_vulpes: i am unsure as to how serious you are being.
ben_vulpes: omg where is the apache listen port configured asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: yeeeehaw
ben_vulpes: trinque: yeah but i doubt you see it in a reasonable timeframe
ben_vulpes: well it successfully redirects me to the index and the admin login page now when using a consumer browser; not that that's much of an indicator that things aren't deeply fucked within
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: as in actually trying to talk to itself over http?
ben_vulpes: emplaced, but 2.4s and .0003 ttfb
ben_vulpes: standby one
ben_vulpes: oh fuckin gross
ben_vulpes: yeah :(
ben_vulpes: per time curl -H 'Host: vantucky' -s -w "Connect: %{time_connect} TTFB: %{time_starttransfer} Total time: %{time_total} \n" localhost:800/phpinfo.php -o /dev/null
ben_vulpes: .0003 ttfb in both cases
ben_vulpes: try phpinfo.php and then index.php
ben_vulpes: stick 161.0.121.247 vantucky into your /etc/hosts and curl it on port 800
ben_vulpes: 2.7 to serve the index.php from my copy of mp-wp
ben_vulpes: .07s to serve robots.txt, .011s to serve phpinfo, .011s to serve phpinfo with a db connection and query
ben_vulpes: time curl -H 'Host: vantucky' localhost
ben_vulpes: moreover i got the same behavior out of the php_fpm and proxy setup last night, but had trouble believing my eyes. now i've reproduced it with mod_php and am just as baffled.
ben_vulpes: i must actually be too thick to configure an mpwp lamp stack.
ben_vulpes: okay now for the next wtf: phpinfo returns instantly, i can open a database connection from php and query for the number of tables, but when i use the mp-wp index.php shit slows to a 2.7 second crawl
ben_vulpes: thanks mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: there are a few threading models in apache as i understand it, prefork, worker and event
ben_vulpes entirely at sea with this
ben_vulpes: dear #trilema is we is an apache prefork club for mod_php?
ben_vulpes: shinohai: why does it go down, typicallY/
ben_vulpes: lobbes: didn't you have a simple process-restarter?
ben_vulpes: cassidy3: just never never never lose the gpg key you registered
ben_vulpes: far more trustworthy than "localbitcoins", i mean who are they anyways, and "electrum", same q.
ben_vulpes: anyways cassidy3 you can leave your btc with deedbot, trinque operates it and he is a knight of the realm
ben_vulpes: y'all are humorless gits
ben_vulpes: or in teh webbrowser!
ben_vulpes: but not in the guiboxen!
ben_vulpes: trinque: but the numbers don't show up on their computer har har har
ben_vulpes: cassidy3: if you select "all data" you can give yourself the "what color is your lamborghini" tingles
ben_vulpes: the dropdown under "time period" will be useful
ben_vulpes: trinque: i think the 3 is 'segwit'
ben_vulpes: gotta kick it into "legacy" moad.
ben_vulpes: trinque: trezors also do that dumb shit.
ben_vulpes: and then he pockets the btc
ben_vulpes: i prefer the conspiracy theory that douchebag has the fiverr hustle down: 20 bucks to show up and show your tits!
ben_vulpes: trinque: assuming she goes and sells it
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: baww i never even noticed
ben_vulpes: shit i want another six percent too, who can i fire
ben_vulpes: clearly not enough of it if everyone wants another 6% this year
ben_vulpes: as they were the subj of the linked paper.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i was saying that germany should give up and do ubi.
ben_vulpes: ubi's the best horse in the state-bankrupting race atm; right up there with a brand new war
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: a) germany b) teh deficit!
ben_vulpes: unless it's some webservercoin whitepaper in which case please no
ben_vulpes: ckang: don't ask to link just link lol
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i am looking forward to sharing the mod_php numbers and comparing them against the nginx php-fpm numbers
ben_vulpes: nah mircea_popescu's wordpress
ben_vulpes: ckang: nginx is out for reasons of beloved clients want to use .htaccess files
ben_vulpes: ckang: different thread
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nuts
ben_vulpes: my eyes bled
ben_vulpes: jurov: i found that combination of words entertaining is all
ben_vulpes: > douchebag sauce
ben_vulpes: ah lobbes getting into the ol open source slap and tcl
ben_vulpes: lobbes wouldja put a vwap quoter in your bot please
ben_vulpes: again, even
ben_vulpes: no wait hang on i don't have enough btc for that yet
ben_vulpes: quit fucking around and implement ubi already
ben_vulpes: pffff six percent pay raise
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: "agitate"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: aok; i'm baffled as to why throwing a file to the running php process for evaluation would be so slow under apache but not nginx; but mod_php looks to be The Right Thing
ben_vulpes: but allll of the time is in the fcgi connection looks like; which makes me wonder is it buffering the entire response before then handing it off to the client, and would that even slow things down?
ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jLBq6/?raw=true << typical; still working to increase verbosity
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how is your apache plugged into php? mod_php with graybeard grease or?
ben_vulpes: it is within a hair of intepreted speeds; which is driving me up a wall
ben_vulpes: mildly pacifying, ty
ben_vulpes: heh i worked in the belly of a magento thing that served in 2.3s and that was a victory
ben_vulpes: looking for how to turn performance information up now
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: thanks for the pointer but none of that helped
ben_vulpes: this is a 100x slowdown for handing some files over to a running php setup; i gotta be doing this entirely incorrectly
ben_vulpes: nginx is screamingly fast out of the box for this type of setup, but does not support .htaccess files which the wordpress folks tell me are very important
ben_vulpes: so here's a wonder: apache for some reason takes 2.2 seconds to serve an mp-wp file that nginx can cough up in ten ms; even though both are nominally passing the same files over to php fpm pools
ben_vulpes: what, and interrupt teh fun and games?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: scary stories for spooking noobs
ben_vulpes: who tests the testers
ben_vulpes: i'm particularly fond of the scawwy stowies about how the funsies will just sit in your spinal fluid forever
ben_vulpes: are there drugs for sale at raves anymore?
ben_vulpes: heavy drug use will fry your cns, kids. be careful out there.
ben_vulpes: the transmission web interface is fine
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't think we have a machine that is even free for this purpose; and so don't understand why we'd ship hdds down without a machine to put 'em in, although i could be being thick and not seeing something
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: all of the machines in the rack are being used; i was asking if one of the rockchips can handle this kind of duty.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and what machine to hook it to?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: please to spec it out, yr the hardware guy. would this get attached to one of the rockchips?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you have mechanicals in stock? needs procuring?
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-4-9#328859 << sadly don't actually have the hardware or pipe for this atm
ben_vulpes: persistence idem
ben_vulpes: patience is a virtue
ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A9A1R/?raw=true << logs from before mircea_popescu showed up
ben_vulpes: aaand a doubleban
ben_vulpes: yeah effectively.
ben_vulpes: "This is forbidden and will be punished." in response to my asking if they kept logs
ben_vulpes: __20h__ parades as such
ben_vulpes: i linked 'em
ben_vulpes: called our logs "insane" and "good source of entropy" if you can imagine the cheek
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