mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the thing with the posters was simply "feed the artist while also doing something". that something happened to be "check this guy's claims". very similar, come to think about it, to this usecase here with fiverr.
Framedragger: ...instead of, say, looking for intelligent motivated folk? not that i know how to do the latter. /me interrupts
asciilifeform: iirc there were earlier instances where mircea_popescu and other folx tried to recycle'em into something: the incident with the rental posters (who was that..?), the 'get epsilon btc to make eulora player', possibly other instances of beehive-fucking
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure. the thing with fiverr was simply the practical exercise base for http://trilema.com/2016/theyre-not-progressive-theyre-just-lazy-a-practical-exercise/
mircea_popescu: the republic lives off tooling and infrastructure, and what is tooling and infrastructure develops out of you know, lived life. as a matter of necessity this can't be aforestated in its entirety.
a111: Logged on 2014-06-02 18:30 mircea_popescu: Up until recently it was practically impossible to become embroiled into any sort of dealing with the subgroup, their ownership being strictly assumed and their lives strictly subsumed by the corporations competent at dealing with the human cattle : fastfood providers, supermarkets, the government. Both as employers and providers these specialised bureaucracies have the necessary tools, including cattle prods (or what
asciilifeform: my take on 'fiverr' et al: ~stupid people are not a resource for the republic~. live'em to wander the world, live and die, to possibly birth less stupid folx, mine uranium for dying empires, etc., see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-02#699078 .
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: re. bdsm board, sure it could be, the latter, as i understood it, would be a general e2e encrypted forum board (permanent post) solution with signatures etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's little doubt in my mind that this particular "problem" (more properly class of problems, likely) is ill posed.
asciilifeform: if every attempt at solving particular problem leads to a d00d who takes to kakodrink and wander off muttering nonsense for the rest of his days, and never anything resembling a solution appears, possibly problem was ill-posed...
mircea_popescu: so you know, "why aren't there monkeys on this planet ?" "well, partly because life is hard, and partly because there's not yet the livers sufficiently advanced to support a monkey's lifestyle"
mircea_popescu: there's an advertising site ben_vulpes tried to make long ago (which is what jurov was referring to - though iirc i handled payments there) ; there's also the http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/ which may be related (at least in the social component). should it be related ?
mircea_popescu: there's on top of that also the question of tooling. consider : had i pushed hard on this three years ago when it first came around (and pankake tried to make it) we'd have ended up with non-v software. that'd have sucked ; but at the time i didn't know what exactly v is. trinque brings a solid related point : infrastructure. just like tooling.
trinque: the payments thinger shall have a way of invoicing someone
mircea_popescu: so, why doesn't $item exist ? because the $guy that's a) intelligent enough to do it and b) dedicated enough to toil through however long it takes to get $item off ground hasn'rt come forward yet.
mircea_popescu: the long story is like this : that the world is made of friction. this is necessarily, and evident from the fact that it's still here (if self-limitation wasn't a default property of all things, the world would have long exploded). meanwhile the republic is made of few people, and also evident from definition - selective means minority. now add these things together : every project suffers from low power and high friction.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: curious - harder in terms of management, or in terms of technical implementation, or combination thereof?
mircea_popescu: we were also going to have a republican this, so all my expenditure would be used reflectively to strengthen us, rather than you know, support ineptly named items not run by wot people.
Framedragger: well, to be fair, 1) the system shows people's portfolios and reviews etc, and 2) you can set a project price, the whole 'hourly billing' is only one of the options
mircea_popescu: is there a peoplebyresults btw ?
mircea_popescu: there was an episode but i think from before your time when i even tried to support blender. it blew up spectacularily.
mircea_popescu: doing this as such is slated, for a little later. but since i was on fiverr anyway from the article, well...
Framedragger: heh, maybe the "confusing blender UI [at first, anyway]" filter is a filter after all :P
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's even a blenderartists thing, which supposedly is actually good.
Framedragger: i don't want to argue regarding the general structural hopelessness of the web because you will win that argument / i agree with you :)
mircea_popescu: just like anything but a basebat whack to the crying kid is a bad move. and certainyl giving him sugar packets for crying is not any sort of solution.
mircea_popescu: accounts won't fix that. in fact, ENTERTAINING the stupidity, to any degree, is not only not fixing it, but outright causing it.
mircea_popescu: because they won't as much as fucking read the text, you understand, and then come back with "what is the problem friend".
Framedragger: if it was mostly entomological though, then not relevant i guess.
mircea_popescu: or the people answering us electoral polls, whatever.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: in between the deluge of spam and the enforced, deliberately, impossiblity of memory, you get... well you get "hi i can regge" basically.
mircea_popescu: they delete your message box, aggressively. like - less than weekly. INCLUDING "starred" messages, because hey, UX, user-friendly etc does NOT include the needs of non-mentally-amoeba, or their expectations. you're more than welcome to take your interface expectation of "system will not delete what i starred" and shove it - the expectations that matter are "uuuu shinyyyy"
mircea_popescu: that site incidentally is entirely constructed on stupid. the likeliness of their advertising open work orders (called "requests") is inverse to... the number of already present offers. counted. as such. except obviously the posts are mostly spam.
asciilifeform: what kind of responses there ?
asciilifeform: is there a fivethousandr ?
asciilifeform: ( in the fishwraps: https://archive.is/8wWRF << nsa owns (part of) a manhattan skyscraper; 'nsa vans' are real; buncha details . )
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 15:25 mircea_popescu: i would rather have an world bereft of any life on it ; than have more of the current crap.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569657 << conversely, the world may come to be devoid of human life if no one can be found with enough neocortex to stop himself and slowly read *a fucking number!!*
mircea_popescu: no argument there.
mircea_popescu: jurov you realise the whole checksum is actually smaller in informatic terms than the single digit error in btc sum yes ?
mircea_popescu: then people could verify identity to paypal with a nicely chosen mare's face and get paid!
mircea_popescu: ong in the address amirite ?"
mircea_popescu: but the most informative part of this is - nobody seems to seriously dispute the obvious problem that "the btc address is 30 symbols long - what if i get one wrong ?!" ; yet even with that much accepted of the fundamental principle of republican money, ie, injective payment function - the obvious extension to sum is ... not so obvious. "oh what if i get one of 8 digits wrong ?" "i dunno dude... same as if you got 4 symbols wr
asciilifeform: i did not think that the down-side of using a mtgox still needed explanation
mircea_popescu: for as long as it doesn't take itself seriously i dun see the problem with it.
jurov: so, i'm asking, what do i do? close coinbr, wipe the evil accounts and we'll celebrate this inimitable tmsr victory?
mircea_popescu: and the strangest part being, that he expects we'll be upset with him for it. as if you know, they're there because i was bored one evening and came up with some arbitrary dumb shit.
mircea_popescu: i would rather have an world bereft of any life on it ; than have more of the current crap.
mircea_popescu: except for the part they're completely imaginary, and only pushed by the sort of people who want a bijective payment function to import the whole rest of equality's fruits, all is well.
mircea_popescu: jurov either there's an injective payment function, in which case you have strictly yes-no payments, either get it right or it didn't happen ; or else you can have a bijective payment function, in which case you can have solutions to the "problems" you propose.
asciilifeform: jurov: which 'you' pays the fee? say i tell you 'i sent coin by mistake , i want it back'. how do you know i tell truth? and which coin ?
mircea_popescu: there's no way to have "equality" and not have ALL THE IMPLICATIONS of equality. which yes include "consumers" and "modern democracy" and hillary fucking clinton's aides.
jurov: of course unidirectional. you want to withdraw back, you pay the fee. i still don't see what's your problem
asciilifeform: and what's exactly the diff between 'bitcoin via external heathentronic mtgox' and paypal?
jurov: well, i'd be glad to get rid of account, if you solved the problem, i'm all ears!
mircea_popescu: jurov what's the difference between "kyc" and "account" in this application ?
asciilifeform: 'i use some heathen dope's central server' did.
mircea_popescu: gotta kyc in case the fat tard over at the us park administration gets tired of asking for special booth at burning man and wants to peruse pics of subtards licking fish through a screen of milk, gotta have the pics ready for him!!11
jurov: crediting them to clients' account is not an option? how so?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 12:27 jurov: what does electrum do? enables one to accept payments without having "mismatched amounts are kept" sinkhole in the foyer, which ben_vulpes seem to be too fond of.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569605 << what does it do with 'mismatched amounts' jurov? tx them back at YOUR EXPENSE??
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569587 << it's a webwallet where , theoretically, 'anyone' can set up a mirror (just need prb and buncha other heathen soft)
asciilifeform: but even supposing i lived whole life without ever again eating a btc -- does nit change the fact that 'electrum' is essentially a webwallet
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 08:50 jurov: just my pet peeve that the most opinionated folks (see: alf) aren't actually seen to do it in practice
mircea_popescu: and in other news - archeries! http://68.media.tumblr.com/b3777d2e2d5c4f45f2f03c393131cfd5/tumblr_mst7e1JV451sfcru6o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: Framedragger lulzy. i expect more than half the gear sold to lusers is being currently used by republican interest, so there is that.
mircea_popescu: and it disables who, usg ? not the other way around ? becauyse why, it's not seen happening (especially if you carefully don't look) ?
mircea_popescu: but to my eyes, even the idea of putting enables and you in the saem sentence with the thing denues some sort of thinking problem. really, you think electrum enables YOU ?
mircea_popescu: jurov the problem is one of optics. you have not "seen paying" anyone for .achristianfamily either, but you credit the empire and discredit the republic for reasons we're invited to not misrepresent as misplaced loyalties, i guess. similarly with electrum - yes, for as long as you stick to the credit empire discredit republic mindset, it "enables" you.
Framedragger: "Within 5 minutes, it was compromised by the Mirai botnet/worm"
jurov: what does electrum do? enables one to accept payments without having "mismatched amounts are kept" sinkhole in the foyer, which ben_vulpes seem to be too fond of.
mircea_popescu: in other useful backholes, http://68.media.tumblr.com/1e44f38e5f48f5ae2e1bec8170b1244f/tumblr_msp5lhRElu1rlp32eo3_400.gif
mircea_popescu: to save my own pain in the future, ban syntax is /mode #trilema +b nick!other-nic@domain there's no regexp available except for the windows-* and domain identification is unreliable (may be IP, may be reverse dns on that IP, may be etc.)
mircea_popescu: did they still charge 1mn a pop for those ?
Framedragger: in unrelated news, check out all the current TLDs lol: https://domainr.com/about/tlds ".afamilycompany" aww
jurov: just my pet peeve that the most opinionated folks (see: alf) aren't actually seen to do it in practice
deedbot: the_scourge voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: As is "sober except for these pills my dr keeps prescribing"
BingoBoingo: << "In the AA meetings, there was wailing and the rending of garments. Selecting words from the safe space lexicon, they just couldnt get [their] heads around this. They felt violated. This election, and heres my personal favorite, has them shaken to the core. Im talking about mature people who have been sober for years and years."
mircea_popescu: but in other, brighter news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/8e50693fa7bf41db8fdda91ee9f46902/tumblr_mro5gzdQrR1rk5yzmo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: "crime, entirely manufactured by government, for the purpose of the government figthing crime"
mircea_popescu: "ie, most of them"
asciilifeform: from same fishwrap... https://archive.is/9qlLy >> 'The FBI May Have Run Not Just One But 24 Dark Web Child-Porn Websites'
asciilifeform: happened right here, even, they shot the mayor's (!) when he was named by some anon stoolie as embroiled in dope
mircea_popescu: urban "dog owners" are high on my list of insufferables, right up there with urban biking hipsters. this isn't to say that "police officers" shouldn't be shot on sight.
asciilifeform: didja read the thing..?
mircea_popescu: what else is there for stray dogs ?
asciilifeform: 'Why aren't there tons of stories about cops shooting yorkies or teacup chihuahuas?'
asciilifeform: '"Y'all over here shooting dogs now?" a city employee asked a DPD officer in the aftermath of the raid, according to the lawsuit. "Nah, it committed suicide," the officer allegedly replied.'
mircea_popescu: social media. you know how these things go.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569519 <<->> https://twitter.com/kaycemick/status/799052916258652161 twice the likes so therefore twice the linux foundation.
mircea_popescu: more like 5-6 if the proportions are right.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, the ssh keys were advertised by live boxes
asciilifeform: 'The Linux Foundation @linuxfoundation Nov 15 Many, many minds make things better than one mind said science evangelist'
asciilifeform: just sat there.
asciilifeform: recall, it was an sks key, rather than from ssh scan.
asciilifeform: who's to say if the 'mayfirst' turd is in any kind of ~use~
asciilifeform: eh one day there will be 88 year old keys
shinohai: Wonder if they fixed that "Let's run everything as uid 0 in Win10 bash" thing. Maybe the fundation can give them pointers.
shinohai: I know, but recently it seems a whole new level of bizarre coming out of there.
mircea_popescu: the strangest thing about all this being the sher fucking age. really, 8 year old keys ? most people in bitcoin have trouble maintaining a key for a coupla years at a stretch, how the fuck did this wonder work.
mircea_popescu: i mean obviously sunlight and thunderstorms did it, but nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the whole "ssh key made on debian recast as gpg key" thing is pretty bizarre.
asciilifeform: footnote no.2 is in fact the unicorn i was looking for
mircea_popescu: shinohai there's worse fates!
shinohai: I feel like I've turned into the tmsr/eulora PR guy in some respects
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/11/phuctor-reveals-1-in-2700-ssh-capable-machines-on-the-internet-still-debianized/ << Qntra - Phuctor Reveals 1 in ~2700 SSH-capable Machines On The Internet Still "Debianized"
mircea_popescu: and diablo with the 1mn btc datacenter to be powered independently.
mircea_popescu: come to think about it the early years were better in terms of sheer crazy. there was also atlas, and that dank dude with the festival.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: replace plox '1 in 2700 machines in the IPv4 space' with '1 in 2700 SSH-capable machines in the IPv4 space'
mats: so you mean NewLiberty then
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes there may be better ways to go, but not many better ways to come.
ben_vulpes: there are worse ways to go..
mats: o so Namworld then
mircea_popescu: i've kinda ditched the whole thing once they did that butt-teary "oh, failure of pc means we should do more better pc".
BingoBoingo thinks mp would appreciate the dim fate of PC Principal on last night's south park.
mircea_popescu: before i was famous the stock explanation was that "you don't know which girl was his girlfriend - but he does!".
BingoBoingo: So named because of the dry cock snow on his face
ben_vulpes: look at the beard!
BingoBoingo: First we get a minor pestilence, now we have a rape ghost, what spectre from the past is next
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: receipt acknowledged, in the middle of something
rg: and their rig is still setup?
asciilifeform: the 'motorola' d00d
asciilifeform: jurov: i thought the ukrs won..?
asciilifeform: i'm still waitin' to learn where to buy ticket to the surrender to ru
BingoBoingo: rg: Acceptance is the answer. Just relax and surrender your will and life to The Great Again.
mircea_popescu: rg http://trilema.com/2016/to-be-clear-hillary-clinton-lost-the-presidential-election-on-june-16th-2016/
BingoBoingo: rg: We are all applying for appointments in the trumpreich
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Tis the American way. Pretenders gotta pretend.
Framedragger: else the resolution firewall will get breached
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-17#1569306 << well if they don't hike the rate for the next four years, not only will 15 btc buy your house,
Framedragger: (on the other hand it's something i may use for my boss. "this will be done in three.")
mircea_popescu: "international" what the everloving.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> who the fuck does all-stock 401k << This guy.
mircea_popescu: they lasted all of four days.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-13 14:28 mircea_popescu: goodwin is right, a nyt bankruptcy / slashdot sale is very much in the books for 2017.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, direct for alf : 95.7 % fall in quarterly profit at new york times. the cause being... unexpected costs related to firings.
mircea_popescu: lmao at usg complete unravel. kirby of state dept makes claims in public. op asks for details. kirby responds by claiming that he didn't make the claims he made and that "they've seen" "credible" reports from "aid organisations". which terms mean as follows "they've seen" = "some starving intern at random mfa blog pulled from ass" "credible" = "saddam wmd" and "aid organisations" = "hillary's friends children trafficing netwo
mircea_popescu: who the fuck does all-stock 401k
a111: Logged on 2016-11-17 20:22 ben_vulpes: or is the Great Again in this context starving 401knauts
BingoBoingo: Yellen Fedmerkel is pretty much the only one it seems not being resigned
asciilifeform: lel they resigned him..
pete_dushenski to walk on the still snow-free streets. bbl.
pete_dushenski: i guess the 'prime' rate is more technically called the 'fed funds' rate. will modify.
ben_vulpes: anyways draft a contract if the notion appeals
ben_vulpes: hundred percent odds implies that you'd be on the hook for 21MBTC
ben_vulpes: if i understand the math here, you'd only stake 14.85
ben_vulpes: hey with all the couches you're buying
pete_dushenski: i got the cad #s stuck in my head for a sec ;/
ben_vulpes: y'had me scratching my head there for a second
pete_dushenski: so i'm shipping you 10 btc if the us federal reserve fails to increase its prime lending rate but once in the next four years ?
ben_vulpes: eh, round to the nearest half, call it 0.15
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/0H2p7 << in other 'no one reads trilema but secretly they really do' news, gavin mcinnes on kim's ass as the acme of us celebritard kultur.
a111: Logged on 2015-02-10 04:00 ben_vulpes: at least robert viragh and the_minor_pestilence had the good sense to not leave a crumbtrail
ben_vulpes: the republic never forgets.
deedbot: asciilifeform rated the_scourge -2 at 2015/02/03 12:44:20 << dear usg, please send better clowns; the cheap ones are growing tiresome.
asciilifeform: !!rated the_scourge
jhvh1: ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: !~later tell the_scourge fix your connection, wouldja?
BingoBoingo: Even the Fed can be forced to follow markets.
BingoBoingo: Similarly what's the cure for a very dry penis caused by months of campaigning?
ben_vulpes: or is the Great Again in this context starving 401knauts
ben_vulpes: does the whole stock/re bezzle fall over if rates go up?
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> pete_dushenski: got odds on a fed rate hike during the first term of the trumpenreich? << From what I understand much higher interest rates are a necessary part of summoning The Great Again
asciilifeform: left hand side, iirc, is the trainer ver.
asciilifeform: and no shit , 'somewhat dangerous', perhaps 1 in 10 will break neck, but falling to the ground in a burning barrel of kerosene is 10/10...
a111: Logged on 2016-11-02 15:54 asciilifeform: ( incidentally, does mircea_popescu know what is https://archive.is/71Wfw ? there are hilarious stories connected with it )
asciilifeform: now whether the thing has its shotgun shell, or how old is the parachute silk, who even knows
asciilifeform: i dun think you can get the thing sans ejector
mircea_popescu: part of which reason may be they're somewhat dangerous.
mircea_popescu: ejector runs you about half what the plane did lol. for some reason usg is fixated on them
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: l39 (if my memory does not fail me and that was the machine he has) was a trainer, and built somewhat more 'to last' than actual mig
mircea_popescu: most airports have them, but... the problem is material resistance. upkeeping a couch made of wood != upkeeping a couch made of paper. similarly, upkeeping car engine != upkeeping jet engine.
ben_vulpes: "this mig has only had oil changes at the dealership"
asciilifeform: then again, if it breaks down, you probably will not need new one!1111
asciilifeform: aha, there is not a 'dealership' on your street likely.
mircea_popescu: they're not terribly expensive.
ben_vulpes: they can stop it this time!
asciilifeform: 'There is no place for antisemitism, racism and white nationalism in the White House. This is the #JewishResistance#FireBannonpic.twitter.com/ROiS0nJLbc '
asciilifeform: 'A group of protesters has stormed the lobby of the Washington DC building where President-elect Donald Trump's transition team is preparing for the start of his presidential term. Photos and videos have emerged of activists gathered inside and outside the General Services Administration (GSA) building in a protest organized by the American Jewish activist group IfNotNow.'
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's not actually altogether clear that sexually intimate folk can be fooled.
asciilifeform: (the 'cpu' was a specially-trained chick and massive organ-like keyboard)
asciilifeform: funnily enough the meme of 'robot voice' only even exists to begin with because of the 'voder' exhibit in '30s 'world's faire'
mircea_popescu: who had you know, in preparation announced the item, which then failed to materialize.
mircea_popescu: in the process burning a "respectable" "physicist" (horia-roman patapievici)
mircea_popescu: one party was intending to use it because hey, "cheap technology" but then it was discovered that it's actually cheap enough other party can also do it so they decided at last minute to eschew rather than make even more fools of themselves
asciilifeform: l0l they used voice synths ?!
asciilifeform: (the last time i gave a fuck, yamaha had the best, but it was still 'uncanny valley' )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really. it's a solved problem in the exact sense pixaring is cheaper than shooting.
mircea_popescu: fine example of there-can-only-be-one.
mircea_popescu: in other news - voice is not authentication. pgp is authentication ; and nothing else.
asciilifeform: '“Don’t worry,” Jin said. “We actually have researched how to prevent forgery. Think about watermarking detection. As we’re getting the results much better, making it so people can’t distinguish between the fake and the real one, we’re working harder trying to make it detectable.” He then gave a thumbs up and grinned.'
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/dFQMj << also hilarious re promisetronix. 'usg.adobe now sells luser-friendly voice-faking proggy, but dun worry, if it doesn't have the USG FAKED VOICE WATERMARK, IT IS GENUINE!111111 voice'
mircea_popescu: it's true that linux recognizes ethernet devices. it's not true that it loads it or dhcps over it (unless idiotic defaults, which sure, african os argument prevails). but non-192.168.* as local zone requires fiddling with configs.
asciilifeform: at this point i will believe nearly anything works there.
asciilifeform: ever the DHCP response is crafted to tell the machine that the entire IPv4 space (0.0.0.0 - 255.255.255.255) is part of the PoisonTap’s local network, rather than a small subnet (eg 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.0.255)'
asciilifeform: in other funny tricks, https://samy.pl/poisontap >> 'PoisonTap emulates an Ethernet device (eg, Ethernet over USB/Thunderbolt) – by default, Windows, OS X and Linux recognize an ethernet device, automatically loading it as a low-priority network device and performing a DHCP request across it, even when the machine is locked or password protected PoisonTap responds to the DHCP request and provides the machine with an IP address, how
asciilifeform: (at which point you can derive the privk)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: the only pill i presently know of for these, is to actually connect to them >1x and see if nonce reused
asciilifeform: re: debian, there were also dsa keys, which i didn't touch.
asciilifeform: and yes, the life of rats-in-a-box.
mircea_popescu: this is actually the existential problem of the kids, innit. yes, they're lazy. but also...
mircea_popescu: so my digging through the dank heap has produced a very shiny item. it says : "born too late to explore the earth ; born too soon to explore the galaxy".
mircea_popescu: because if the pig ran off to be a highwayman, he'd mostly waylay grain carts.
asciilifeform: 'secret tor market', keybase keys / plaintext, 'assassin service', all of the leprosies in one convenient leprosorium .
mircea_popescu: and yes, they preferred western union and paycheck-cashing-certificates/store scrip over bitcoin
mircea_popescu: dude... on the fucking "secret" market on tor, whose secret author ACTUALLY VOLUNTEERED IT TO TRAFFIC COPS or anyone who'd listen,
asciilifeform: it also had, as recently as '13 or whenever i last gave a fuck, pestilential proportions of outright gassable tards (folks transacting in something other than bitcoin)
mircea_popescu: generally the problem with these fringes (of finance, tech, you name it) is that the "people" involved correctly score themselves as more able with other things than the subject. so you get a lot of "value add", ie, "services".
asciilifeform: aha, this was my distinct recollection, the market had something like prices, but was rather... lemoniferous, or what does one call this.
asciilifeform: i'd be curious to learn how current marketeers price their wares. (i've been quite far from this subj for some years)
mircea_popescu: well depends what you do. but once someone implements the interface, the user is free to actually price these correctly. maybe there's more demand for box with X than with Y, but the only way to know is if bidding can actually occur.
asciilifeform: reminds me of this spec i have for antigrav car. just needs the antigravitron box and you're good to fly.
asciilifeform: the original didn't mention how to make 1024 chickens reliably pull plow.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, they have. it's called uci.
mircea_popescu: the libertard thing is so self-parodic by now...
mircea_popescu: the "utility of junk boxes" is fully covered in republican literature. just gotta do the work.
asciilifeform: and the b0rk3d openssl appeared who knows where else.
mircea_popescu: iirc they had a "lightweight" thing for raspberry-pis and such
asciilifeform: the debian thing is moar interesting imho because - afaik - debian never appeared on 'things' junk routers etc. but generally on actual machines set up by hand
Framedragger: asciilifeform: makes me want to try top 100 password lists on telnet/ssh/etc on the whole ipv4, you know
asciilifeform brain still molten, FORFUCKSSAKE, THE debian 'bug'
Framedragger: (btw google translate gives "All that is done is fault" which is rather metaphysical)
mircea_popescu: as an anonymous local derp pointed out in the timeless form of graffiti, "todo lo que hecho es culpa"
mircea_popescu: and also to put them to good use, i'm sure.