asciilifeform: argument is that this movie is a rerun of jimmy carter election, where the man promised to 'show the aliens', or obummer, who promised 'legalize dope', etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not entirely sure what the argument is, so i dunno.
trinque: someone might've told him he's supposed to maintain the pretense of justice dept independence
a111: Logged on 2016-11-22 16:46 mircea_popescu: hey, he;s not sworn in yet. if he is or if he isn't gonna jail the shrew, he'd still say he isn't.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i meant specifically the "naxi salute ppl are ridoinculous" bit ; re the "sparing hillary" thing the official excuse is http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-22#1572221
shinohai: I watched the Narcos show on Netflix ... was kinda tolerable
mircea_popescu: god damned this black mirror shit is unwatchable. where the fuck do they find these dumb bitchez that can't act to save their life, it's like they're not even b list. netflix has invented the c-list. and who the fuck writes this inane crap, it's like they're trying for a reboot of the venerable twilight zone / tales from the crypt, except failing to reach that high.
Dog1: well I have been called swinehawg (spelling in german not there ) LOL
Framedragger: in soviet russia, the dog make redundant *you*
Dog1: So this this many member you would think there would be some type of conversation going on.
asciilifeform: the spencer d00d is a product of same machine
asciilifeform: ru version of mr.t. 'created' in '91 when kpss decided to permit 'the first second political party'
trinque: the guy went to pedo island just like bill
asciilifeform: '“I don’t want to energize the group. I’m not looking to energize them. I don’t want to energize the group, and I disavow the group,” Trump said ...'
asciilifeform: or reconsidering THE WALL
ben_vulpes: just trying to weave these threads of conversation into some bizarro fabric over here
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if you mean alf's q, the snippet in the logs yest, "oh, these ppl doing the nazi salute should stop"
ben_vulpes: what /did/ you read on the 'kowtowing'?
mircea_popescu: fucktards are utterly unreadable by now, i'd rather peruse byzantine court poetry cca comnena.
ben_vulpes: nyt transcript is pretty amusing. friendman's butthurt leaking all over the page.
asciilifeform: it is the 'just wanteds' who get nailed, slightly preferentially.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572876 << btw this does not always work. worked for, e.g., su 1941-45, but not, say germany, in same. or, say, britain ww1. the latter two -- culled the wrong 8.
mircea_popescu: not what i read there.
mircea_popescu: this is how tv works in the third world (which more and more includes the us) : derp floats something "because why not".
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's altogether dubious. a) nobody wants to build in argentina atm, the market is dying ; b) it's as hamilton pointed out too little money, abuilding, wtf is a building ; c) the "journalist" this supposedly comes from has c1) no way of knowing and c2) a very good reason to lie, seeing how he's up to the eyeballs in debt which c2.1)is owed to a bunch of financially misplaced idiots who will go bankrupt if the caba r
asciilifeform: 'where to fight' is problem above the expendable muppet's pay grade.
ben_vulpes: kinda their problem not mine
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in your view, where ought they to fight ?
ben_vulpes is trolling liberals with "look at all of the war we've waged and all of the booty we brought back" lately
ben_vulpes does not see any of these 'nazis' signing up to go fight anywhere
ben_vulpes: haven't we done the 'make a people great again' thread as well?
ben_vulpes: perhaps wants to 'invest' (lol) 'profits' (lol) into another venture (lol?)
asciilifeform: iirc the thing one does when 'enough of those' is to eat one's shotgun
asciilifeform: so long as the books sum to 0, can have luxury hookers made of caviar at the foot of every golden toilet in the office
mats: the whole idea of white guilt is ridiculous
asciilifeform: trinque: see, he forgot to declare it a FOUNDATION... then it'd be a-ok
mats: asciilifeform: i like the sound of that
ben_vulpes: in other trumpargentwat/international great again: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/cashing-in-bigly-in-argentina
asciilifeform: which then broke down.
ben_vulpes: the v8 donkey!
mircea_popescu: really they should make one of those inept walking-tanks
mats: that'd complete the trifecta
mats: too bad the army doesn't have a mega-visible, five-years-behind and 100bn-cost-overrun project of its own
asciilifeform: well it was sold as a 'software-controlled, smart' whateverthefuck
asciilifeform: possibly. the ultimate platinum-iridium-diamond toilet.
mats: hes probably referring to the f-35
ben_vulpes: the ships, along with the plane, are such a delightful distillation of the disintegration in place
mircea_popescu: which is exactly why they're gonna pay.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 20:55 mircea_popescu: mats no, but the adventure easily cost 10mn.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572807 << 1 shell for the mega-cannon probably costs 5mil. and a reload of all of the toilet paper holders on board -- perhaps the full 10.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger anyway, stalin or no stalin, the marxist "perspective" is exactly "a study of antarctica from the point of view of santa's factory"
mircea_popescu: the global warming consensus is that jews did wtc.
mats: god forbid any american official EVER admits their systems are indefensible
mats: no no, its the chinese
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the white house experts have identified russian hackers behind the incident.
ben_vulpes: water in the power transmission bearings this time
mircea_popescu: nobody wants the fucking ship.
mircea_popescu: mats no, but the adventure easily cost 10mn.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 12:28 mircea_popescu: basically they just take your ship.
mats: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572554 << you saying the panamanians are going to confiscate a USN ship?
Framedragger: i'm not sure if žižek "seriously references Stalin", i mean he has the guy's portrait in his apartment iirc (...), and it's a bit of a joke. (yes am aware stalin gets quoted, including in his books which i've glanced at.) either way, yeah, it's a dorky mish-mash of things...
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-imbecile-philosophy-and-cinematography/ << Trilema - The imbecile, philosophy and cinematography
Framedragger: (i mean, the gist is prolly about right, i'd agree..)
Framedragger: no, but the title intrigued me tho (apparently it reads as it sounds), so i've put it through google translate so your beautiful language can be raped and i can nevertheless get the gist..
Framedragger: oh no i meant "pervert's guide to cinema", the other one (ideology) is more preachy (as the title allows for)
Framedragger: ^ (the above is parody - understandable if one gets confused tho lol)
Framedragger: oya - i admit to watching it multiple times (had the pleasure of actually reading said object of satire)
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 01:57 phf: Framedragger: yeah, bug in the router, can access as http://btcbase.org/patches (which i know is confusing since it's also /log/), but obviously needs to be fixed
Framedragger: heheh. UK office addresses for bullionvault and whiskeyinvest appear to be the same - how nice
asciilifeform: in fact, i found the link in a spam from 'bullionvault', to which i was once a subscriber
Framedragger: heheh they have a kind of solvency 'proof' - "How? The audit shows you the full list of WhiskyInvestDirect's user records. You will see that these public records contain your correct balances." - https://www.whiskyinvestdirect.com/audit.do
shinohai: Therefore, investing in Night Train will be a win.
asciilifeform: 'When the economy collapses, hard-drinking people everywhere find all the more reason to get drunk, but much less wherewithal with which to procure drink. In Russia, innovative market-based solutions were quickly improvised, which it was my privilege to observe. ' << orlov's megaclassic, http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/062805_soviet_lessons_part2.shtml
asciilifeform: '5,000 of Wild Southern Rose plz'
asciilifeform: the concept ought to be carried to its logical conclusion -- e.g., why limit to 'high end' whisky, why not also give option to invest in rotgut 'penny stocks'
asciilifeform initially assumed 'early april fool joke' but the thing shows symptoms of actually existing...
Framedragger: (but this can be resolved one way or another i'm sure.)
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572699 << tbh doesn't sound right to me, the :// specifies a transport level protocol - so that i could do http:// or ftp:// or gopher://
Framedragger: (ah discard the selection)
asciilifeform: or if whitened (is there a linux kernel where it isn't..?)
asciilifeform: if yer /dev/random is fed by intel crapolade, then also
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i guess i should. yeah fair enough. btw iirc there's still no markable security difference between urandom and random?
asciilifeform: Framedragger: most of the time folks spend 'waiting for rsa' in, e.g., gnupg, is spent waiting for the idiot /dev/random
asciilifeform: btw when 'p' is out i will show folks who want to keep their old moduli, how
mircea_popescu: it makes the db slightly larger, but it does solve a fundamental problem.
Framedragger: jesus you guys, you realise all those deedbot messages are still internally encrypted with symmetric aes ('session key') right? and you think the lowest-hanging fruit is fingerprint? ok i guess
trinque: and sure, could easily do this. I was already going to move the pubkey into my db for the www-wot pages
trinque: or otherwise it calls for homebrew RSA+padding
mircea_popescu: trinque it'd just be the index, you can keep precomputed field with anything you'd like right next to it.
mircea_popescu: he does have a point, and i think also the code to allow you to extract it from a pubkey if need be
asciilifeform: the only ~protocolic~ answer is to do business with pubkeys. now you ~can~ shorten them 'in the harem'
mircea_popescu: found the "pubkey" entry, encrypted to it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you realise, deedbot searched me in its own copy of the gns. by fp.
asciilifeform: i say to replace it meaningfully, you gotta let go of the fundamental braindamage at the root of it.
mircea_popescu: all our uses, in deedbot, in voicing model, in wot, in v, all rely on the concept of fp as gns namespace.
asciilifeform: but here's my cut of the knot: HASH LOCALLY
mircea_popescu: i'm not making the argument you should. i'm just pointing out that it is the only way to be 100%.
asciilifeform: why the fuck would you ever hash a privkey
asciilifeform: Framedragger: phuctor's scheme is sufficient for distinguishing pgp keys with same moduli but variant metafields from one another, and for no other purpose.
jhvh1: the shrieker shrieks
mircea_popescu: !~echo the shrieker shrieks
Framedragger: so deedbot or gns would decide on the allowed fingerprinting schemes.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm saying that there's a possible runaway effect where a party could claim to own many a fingerprint, because "their key fingerprinting function is like that", to the point where semantically useful names could be owned by them. but that's just ridiculous..
mircea_popescu: think - currently deedbot administers a very narrow implementation of the gns, whereby if you claim to own X domain, it challenges you and if you pass it gives it to you.
asciilifeform: 'as they are now' is catastrophically braindamaged
Framedragger: i guess i could invent a hash function which always outputs some short meaningful names like "CocksCocksBallsCocks" and then claim i have a right to them because that's my fingerprint, but it all boils down to WoT and "don't be ridiculous".
mircea_popescu: make it take fingerprints as they are for now, and can be extended later.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i suppose the system could just allow one to own multiple fingerprints, according to different schemes, with some constraints on length ('minimum length' at least)?
mircea_popescu: it's like being indiana jones, all the meaningless fragments snap together eventually.
mircea_popescu: note how neatly this clasps into the "causes, not purposes" thing, also.
mircea_popescu: now, the one hold-up here is that we've not yet settled on an universal-fingerprinting-function and we don't like how the koch-rsa fingerprinting works
asciilifeform: naggum had some imho interesting detail re 'magic numbers', and how they are not born from empty space, but are gangrenously oozed eternally by pathologically misdesigned systems where operator is FORCED to lie about foreknowledge of field sizes, types, etc.
mircea_popescu: then have name record on that = mircea popescu and freenode-nick record = mircea_popescu and blog = trilema.com and goodreads = whatever
mircea_popescu: technically i suppose the correct way for this to work would be for me to own 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 which i do own because hey.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm still not sure about the delegation thing. if A owns goodreads, B should in principle be able to register fuck.goodreads , right? but then allowing for a possibility of delegation would be nice. or, it'd just be a matter of convention *within deedbot's context*.
mircea_popescu: that's the thing with magic values : they are secreted by and attract like pheromones the imperial mind.
Framedragger: (btw, current dns does not allow for arbitrary fields the way you think it does; it does have a TXT type of record, but that's not the same; types of records are baked-in in the sense that they have magical IDs to be specified at dns payload header. obvs this cannot stand!)
mircea_popescu: so then deedbot could own goodreads and delegate mircea_popescu.goodreads to me.
Framedragger: so it'd just be another name
mircea_popescu: Framedragger on contemplation it'd be a "goodreads" root rather than the domain in question.
a111: Logged on 2015-09-14 02:02 trinque: I'd rather have the index of the right man's bookshelf than access to every landfill on earth for free
mircea_popescu: so that way you can more finely weigh the sites.
Framedragger: the N-to-1 relation (many possible ratings for one name) needs to be stored somehow, i suppose it may be multiple gns fields, but then it is the case that not *all* fields of a specific name are controlled by the name's owner; or, there's a separate service / storage thing.
mircea_popescu: same thing : people pop a link in, if the site's any good it gets a !!readworthy
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: like, the name is signed, or specific piece of content is signed? i assume the former?
mircea_popescu: in principle it would be very gns-based. if i sign btcbase/logs mkj.lt/log trilema.com etc, you can do "signed:mp" in your search box and get results from THESE
trinque: unfairness makes the world so manageable
trinque: given a concept of the top, you can do things like "archive all content within L2 of logs"
mircea_popescu: google is ~worthless as it is, certainly there's a hole here.
Framedragger: i suppose the system could then also integrate with gns, in the sense that gns-listed content could in principle be searched, too..
trinque: decent way to pick gems from the mountain of shit
trinque: something like pagerank with the logs being heavily favored over all other content would be quite useful
BingoBoingo: ALso Nikki Haley condemned to UN Ambassador position, sound like career ender for the Governor.
BingoBoingo: The ones settled in South St Louis very happy with South St Louis, but the ones settled in NORTH St Louis...
BingoBoingo: In still other news St Louis now has Syrian refugees leaving St Louis as refugees. Double Refugee
asciilifeform: ( and in case anyone forgot, the above is to be seen in light of https://hardenedbsd.org/article/shawn-webb/2015-02-18/freebsd-random-number-generator-vulnerability )
asciilifeform: in other ( https://archive.is/WOLLO ) lulz, 'When you take a look at the implementation of /dev/random in [freebsd] 11.0 you will notice that with the support of the new random algorithms (fortuna has replaced yarrow), there is also support to feed the entropy with a write call to /dev/random. The 10.x releases do not support this write call. The man page previously said for 10.3 that writes will be silently ignored and in the 11.0 m
asciilifeform: ditto the 'bring J0BZZZ!!!! back from china' thing
asciilifeform: shinohai: 'wall' was a catch-all name for the (economically impossible) notion of bringing back 1952
asciilifeform: 'People in the myriad “alt-right” communities that have flourished online in recent years are also expressing their displeasure that Trump appears to have abandoned the most extreme of his policies – at least for now – such as building a wall and prosecuting Hillary Clinton.'
asciilifeform: sorta why chinese canal is supposedly in the works (iirc -- in nicaragua, under protection of cn navy)
a111: Logged on 2016-11-23 12:28 mircea_popescu: basically they just take your ship.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572554 << eh it isn't as if panama were a sovereign country. usg takes what it wants there, incl. presidents
mircea_popescu: basically they just take your ship.
mircea_popescu: mats you have no fucking idea what the costs of this happening are.
shinohai: Been a bad year for the US Navy
mats: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/23/us-navys-most-expensive-destroyer-breaks-down-in-panama-canal
trinque: but y'know, got some free cigarettes out of the deal, so as usual, net gain
trinque: what's up currently was a single shot of the tool
mircea_popescu: certainly open internals is the golden standard for safety machinery.
trinque: lest anyone thing I'm tipping my hand, I don't think the thing can work at all unless the mechanism by which it works can be made public.
trinque: thing can barf gpg'd OTP one direction, can receive OTP from another
trinque thinks the serial diode as described by asciilifeform is appropriate for deedbot wallet.
trinque: phf: so like, import them, man.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-02 19:14 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/tmsr-logs-apr2012-oct2013.txt.tar.gz
trinque: where are these ancient logs, anyway?
trinque: a guy clicks a link on the wot browser and he's kicked to a page which highlights the message.
phf: trinque: how's the interface supposed to look? /log-first-message?nick=foo and it gives you html rendering? or text/plain in kako format? or?
phf: asciilifeform: that's the first task after i vpatch the code. i basically started doing that on live server, got as far as loading the logs into memory, and realize that i can't change what's there without testing it, which means i need to backport everything into my dev environment. blah blah blah
mircea_popescu: yes but you prolly don't actually want it before he does the import
asciilifeform: (so it'd then show inaccurate 'first spoke's)
asciilifeform: trinque, phf: iirc the ancient logz are not yet in..?
trinque: that's what I did with deedbot; forgot about it and the gods favored me.
asciilifeform: but that was then !!
phf: all the sbcl friendly patching that i did in september was done on the server, live, under fire, so right now i'm just slowly retroactively vpatching the code, at which point i can move onto the outstanding issues
phf: Framedragger: yeah, bug in the router, can access as http://btcbase.org/patches (which i know is confusing since it's also /log/), but obviously needs to be fixed
asciilifeform: the PoC-operated doorway. etc
asciilifeform: where is that legend of legends, the cuntprint reader.
asciilifeform: re 'proof of cunt', one inescapably wonders why this important organ escaped the 'biometrics' craze
shinohai: If you aren't queer or whatever I guess you can't write and get paid for them.
Framedragger: i'm mostly just lost between all the different pieces of the republican infrastructure :)
tb0t: Project: trb, ID: 1, Type: D, Subject: Wallet counts change amounts in total balance, Antecedents: , Notes: It has been wildly reported that version 0.5.4 (99999) of the Reference Implementation adds change from a given transaction to the wallet balance.
mod6: im tinkering with the database tables now actually.
mod6: i'm actually making a database currently for a possible private version in the future.
Framedragger: also i don't remember where on the web i can view this, if anywhere
Framedragger: (there's probably been some further design work? and then asciilifeform probably has something written down, i imagine)
a111: Logged on 2015-10-14 20:13 asciilifeform: the - presently nameless - pgptron - is simply an emulator for a very simple but imaginary computer which performs arbitrary arithmetic on bignums.
Framedragger: phf: http://btcbase.org/patches/ says 301 -> http://btcbase.org/patches/NIL , the latter as appropriate to nil i guess 404's
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2376DC4A598D0B7FBCC1A66D71E36ADB37969120DC2D5B7C24BAEC8DD9FF5FD9 << i'ma have to make the factors clickable eventually. because this is mega-uninformative.
trinque: or rather deedbot: up guy
trinque: even if we were doing deedbot: !!up guy people would moan about how they don't remember which bot does what
shinohai: The bickening III
asciilifeform: jurov: the knobs are at http://bots.contravex.com (to which asciilifeform will admit he must refer to regularly, the two-char syntaxes are terrible imho )
RodrigoBTCF: I will authenticate in a second
jurov: too many hoops jumping in thinking there to cite anything
asciilifeform: the 'fake newz', 'this site MAY HARM YOUR COMPUTER!1111', etc. are simply part of the inexorable march to http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208 .
asciilifeform: there is already a tall pile of otherwise unremarkable sites that won't display in latest Official version of any ssltronic browser on account of 'obsolete protocol' or wtf.
mircea_popescu: they'd of course discover nobody cares about wikipedia, but still - who thinks otherwise, there's your angle.
mircea_popescu: anyway, seeing how nowadays wikipedia refuses to serve over http (for no fucking reason whatsoever, who the shit cares already!), an entreprising fellow may simply bridge their content over to http
mircea_popescu: and like the rest of their measures to date, this latest attempt to lift the rock with the rotten reed will result in more damage to the rotten reed.
asciilifeform: i will be surprised if before the end of '17 'google chrome' and similar do not yet warn 'THIS NEWS SITE MAY BE FAEK', sorta how it now is beginning to do for ssl abstainers
asciilifeform: trinque: the 'fake newz' crapolade is being quite purposefully and deliberately drummed up, 'anything without the magic blue authenticity logo is FAEK' or the like.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: hey, the one thing fly empire doesn't lack is flies.
asciilifeform: the photos of 'victim kidz' added to the mix is same gambit as when the 'martians did it' folx were turned loose upon '9/11 truth'.
trinque: I guess the gay nazis will have plenty of conference fodder
asciilifeform: ''He did tell me what he thought were the biggest problems, in particular one problem," Trump says. Won't say what that was.' << mega-lul
asciilifeform: 'When Mr. Trump was asked whether he condemned an alt-right conference over the weekend in Washington, where some attendees raised their arms in a Hitler-like salute, he said, “I disavow and condemn them.”'
asciilifeform: 'Mr. Trump denied that his campaign had energized the so-called alt-right movement, saying he disavowed it. “It’s not a group I want to energize,” he said. “And if they are energized, I want to look into it and find out why.”'
trinque: http://archive.is/xSf35 << Pressed on whether he had definitively ruled out a prosecution of Mrs. Clinton, he said, “It’s just not something that I feel very strongly about.”
mircea_popescu: so yes, for the people to whom "their" twitter's page is important, then "their" keybase key makes sense. and for the same money, for the people who breathe underwater, land respiratorial equipment is a must get. and for the people who are healed by collodial silver/prayer/psychic surgery etc, collodial silver/prayer/psychic surgery etc are useful.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: sure, logical explosion, though yeah that usually requires both attribute-holders to exist, if you're claiming one of them doesn't, then it's just a nonsensical statement. which i guess is your point... i suppose so.
asciilifeform: http://downdetector.com/status/google << in other lulz, guess who has dns outage today
mircea_popescu: and yes i'm aware that there exist geometric figures which do have radii. this isn't germane.
mircea_popescu: you might as well say "there are squares whose radii are larger than five". while arbitrary sized squares may in fact be constructed, squares still don't have radii and so you're still not saying something.
mircea_popescu: you understand how logic works, yes, once you have a true->false in the chain you can obtain any results.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger no, there aren't people to whom their social media accounts are really important, because there aren't people so that the "their" attribute may be applied to twitter's page.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: in as far as i can tell, it is a very ordinary trap for the wotless/unwary/eager young'uns, 'alt-right'-style.
Framedragger: i just don't like characterizations. (inb4 "but you don't defend when tmsr is characterised!1" << well, haven't seen much of the latter so far.)
Framedragger: trinque: well, there's that. not gonna argue with that. i suppose you're right.
trinque: or did I just rub the pgp sauce on my twitter because it evokes a special feeling in my empty loins
Framedragger: look, obviously there are people for whom sociul media accountz are really important. some of them want to pretend they can use crypto, so they use keybase to help them "link" their accounts. while this is inane, this does not, in itself, pose a security risk, if done properly (with external program which handles your privkey.)
trinque: look, that something "does something" and that being useful to the person doing are distinct
Framedragger: trinque: well, you then submit "proofs" (say tweets) which you can open to actually confirm a pgp signed message saying that "@isuckballs is my (gpg id: ...) twitter account."
trinque: Framedragger: what the fuck does that do
Framedragger: asciilifeform: well, you can link your social accounts, and stuff. I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S NOT STUPID, but there's additional value
trinque: machine is labeled "dick blender" whether you fuck it or not
Framedragger: but if it has a "luzer friendly mode" where "you don't need to external app yo", then that's bad by itself. :/
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i'm not disagreeing, and of course that's true. but it's still one thing to trust js which, say, generates privkey for you and then promises not to send it the server, "pinky promise" like, and another whereby you paste signatures from external program