asciilifeform: ( tastes great with the old 'costs of guarding gold' and 'misalignment of incentives of guard and master' threads )
asciilifeform: i wouldn't put it past the imbeciles to try to split the net via node diddling alone.
asciilifeform: jurov: i must admit that it has been eons since i set up a prb, and the last one i tested was iirc 0.8.something (which worked with trb)
asciilifeform: please consider reading the chan logs, yalehasaquestion .
trinque is humoring, yet n00b must be encouraged to start at the beginning
asciilifeform: by the usual suspects.
asciilifeform: it is (the umpteenth) attempt to break bitcoin.
asciilifeform: trinque: humour the n00b
asciilifeform: yalehasaquestion: trb ( therealbitcoin.org ) is the ~actual~ bitcoin client. approximately as-it-was in 2012, with minor cleanups.
trinque: yalehasaquestion: various creatures of ill repute have been bolting all kinds of insane shit to the codebase formerly known as bitcoin for years now
asciilifeform: and using the search box.
asciilifeform: it may be the case that 'core 0.13.1' (which is an imposter pseudo-bitcoin client, see below) refuses to speak with trb.
shinohai: Best way to learn is to go to http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html and stand up your own trb node.
shinohai was about to ask the same question.
trinque: yalehasaquestion: on another note, why are you running "core 0.13.1" ?
asciilifeform: yalehasaquestion: i'll check the logs for your node, brb
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: you aren't on the banhammer list
yalehasaquestion: would it have something to do with the fact that I'm running core 0.13.1?
mircea_popescu: likely the fault of machine
mircea_popescu: all this to see george monbiot try his best to sell the "our fake citizens groups are for real and everything else is fake" line.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile according to reddit, theguardian.com is a respectable source and qntra.net is the spamsite. because totally.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the idiots at the guardian made a begging banner which has an X that is not connected to anything, just drawn on the banner itself.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why. shipping for isntance takes 3mo + and apparently they prefer it that way.
jurov: such slow process is anathema to anything industrial
jurov: i have read that tobacco must be dried slowly (like, a month) otherwise it retains more sugar which burns nastily
mircea_popescu: re water pipe - the liquid is infrequently changed, certainly not often enough to maintain co2 solvency
BingoBoingo: jurov: the linked eclipse thing is cigarette shaped fiberglass reinforced paper tube tipped with charcoal. Is a lulzy thing best not stuck in mouth.
asciilifeform: jurov: 'e-cig' does not (unless broke down and battery on fire...) emit smoke, it sputters out propylene glycol (theatrical smoke)
asciilifeform: jurov: the lulzy bit is that the 'heated tobacco' thing was a 1970s (and possibly prior) crackpottery
jurov: so, it all looks to me one part of tobacco industry FUDdind an other one
jurov: i'd prefer that all way than burning sugar, menthol and zillion other additives they put to classical cigs
jurov: though they do make smoke, but smells good, unlike classical cigs
asciilifeform: 'The company's IQOS smokeless cigarette, which is already on sale in over a dozen markets including Japan, Switzerland and Italy, heats tobacco enough to produce a vapor without burning it. The company believes that makes it much less harmful than cigarettes.' << i thought this died in 1970s..?
mircea_popescu: (dec 4th - they're even advertising it here.)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo prolly also link the log.
mircea_popescu: so it is vaguely possible hillary&friends actually have some sarin in say new york subway, not just at the bases of their jenissary in syria.
mircea_popescu: to be perfectly fair : the dems tried to set up bush the bomb in exactly the same manner in 2000 ; and then the democrat-alligned osama set bush the bomb fo reals.
mircea_popescu: the odds of the syrian situation blowing up into actual war ru+tk vs us+iran (but without nato) are actually non-trivial by now.
mircea_popescu: whatever his plans, desires, choices whatever, it seems absolutely certain trump will have a major depression on his hands ; to the tune of "70% of this country's wealth evaporated overnight ; wut do ?!?!"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not just inflation. yields are higher and growing rapidly ; the dollar is strengthening and stocks are going up. this is the classical desperation run-up to black tuesday.
mircea_popescu: srsly, the world is now a us-iran partnership trying to stand up to a russian-turkey alliance while a very horny europe is drooling cunt juice on one side and a rather geeky china is holding its distance on the other side.
mircea_popescu: (iran, the us's only apparently remaining ally in the world, decided not to participate)
mircea_popescu: basically now that obama's out, the saudis finally agreed to cut the flood ; oil jumped like 10% after they announced.
mircea_popescu: the 10year is up 7.0 base points no less!
mircea_popescu: and in other news us T bonds are getting massacred.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Seriously not a single attempt to read any of the linked content to develop context on the venue << i dunno dood, "the serene republic of somalia" etc. they be trynna.
mircea_popescu: lol the butthurt re that qntra is pretty good.
mircea_popescu: mailman rose up in arms against the very list it was supposed to return ?!
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the best part of light satire is trolling the people who in their hearts want to believe with us but can't because idiot redditards.
trinque: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/11/29/german-domestic-intelligence-officer-arrested-plotting-islamic-terror-attack/ << in other beat'em join'em conundrums
trinque: BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/11/18-year-old-somali-child-killed-by-police-at-the-ohio-state-university/#comment-80158 << lel
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Seriously not a single attempt to read any of the linked content to develop context on the venue
trinque would love to know where these people came from
BingoBoingo: lol http://qntra.net/2016/11/18-year-old-somali-child-killed-by-police-at-the-ohio-state-university/#comment-80156
mats: looks like this is mentioned in the tor ml already
mats: the shell code in this tor bug looks almost exactly like the one in fbi 'network investigative tool' from three years ago
mod6: but I did send an email to the ML about 2.5 hours ago that didn't get bounced. probably stuck in the pipe again.
mod6: jurov: ok, i can get to 'http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev' just fine now.
mircea_popescu: shoot the kid.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574651 < imagine the sort of imbeciles who still work for this very dubious employer after that.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 02:03 jurov: i'd recommend joker.com for domains, typically swiss approach, using them for years. but they don't accept bitcoins.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-29 23:20 mats: TIL obama assisted syrian rebels with acquiring sarin, and then blamed assad for it when used in the field
deedbot: http://trinque.org/2016/11/29/namecheap-the-incompetent-namecheap-the-nameless/ << trinque - Namecheap the Incompetent, Namecheap the Nameless
jurov: i'd recommend joker.com for domains, typically swiss approach, using them for years. but they don't accept bitcoins.
trinque: I have a hard time seeing how a single DNS record within the set could accidentally be missing.
trinque: pointed out by mod6 and shinohai in another castle
trinque: hm not even, it's there but not resolving
trinque: what the fuck.
trinque: namecheap deleted the wot.deedbot.org record without being told!
mod6: <+jurov> seems up. don't you have aws ec2 firewalled? << no not at all actually, i have an ec2 instance that i'm connected to from the same place I'm trying to make this failing request from as I type this.
mod6: weird. lemme try again from another place.
mod6: i didn't even try to send, was just trying to view the page...
mod6: jurov: looks like the Bitcoin Foundation Mailing List is down:
BingoBoingo: In other college sex http://dailyegyptian.com/62890/news/siu-food-pantry-usage-three-times-higher-than-projected/
trinque: see: kurds, once "arm the freedom fighers" and now left to be smashed between Russians and Turks
asciilifeform: they tend to self-erase.
trinque: no disputing that either. the insane imperial mind may think it can create these, then erase when "no longer useful"
asciilifeform: ( there is also some planned rape-therapy of europe involved, but i will leave this aspect to the undisputed experts, mircea_popescu et al )
asciilifeform: trinque: usg luuuuvvvs jihadis and every other kind of orc berserker for so long as they set fires around ru, and keep the cn and ru bases out of near east an' africa.
trinque: create meat grinders, air raid them, repeat
asciilifeform: right on the field.
asciilifeform: if my lai massacre happened today, usg may well simply 'accidentally' all of the witnesses.
mats: same fella that reported on the my lai massacre, no less, this reads as credit - to me
asciilifeform: just as it takes some hard wurk to earn the michael hastings treatment.
asciilifeform: there are not yet afaik half dozen chix publicly raping themselves with, e.g., mats , or asciilifeform
asciilifeform: go an' try to tell 'civilian' about it, you will end up in same 'box' as the '9/11 thermite' folx.
mats: TIL obama assisted syrian rebels with acquiring sarin, and then blamed assad for it when used in the field
a111: Logged on 2014-02-07 18:06 asciilifeform: re: hallucinogen: http://img0.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0-quotes-786200.jpeg (translation: most often, the words 'you ought to try everything in life' refer to dope and porn acting, but much more rarely to quantum physics and chemistry'
trinque: "they told me I could do anything, be anyone, so I drank champagne with my ass."
mircea_popescu: and in other goatse, http://68.media.tumblr.com/ed70d29fa7da5305779da063256d46c2/tumblr_oaxgpvHzpq1sis2mvo1_250.gif
mircea_popescu: i suppose that's progress right there.
asciilifeform: afaik nobody but themselves really want'em alive.
mats: humanitarians, the lot of em
mats: 'Erdogan said that Turkey could not “endure” the unending killing of civilians and “had to enter Syria together with the Free Syrian Army.”'
mats: '“We entered [Syria] to end the rule of the tyrant al-Assad who terrorizes with state terror. [We didn’t enter] for any other reason,” the Turkish president said at the first Inter-Parliamentary Jerusalem Platform Symposium in Istanbul, as quoted by Hurriyet daily.'
mircea_popescu: what was that, the bsd firewall ?
asciilifeform: of them.
phf: ah, ok then
asciilifeform: phf: i must point out, most of the 'debianized' boxes' ips are not in the log (either shot too quickly through rss, and/or ip was obscured by the long factor digits before trinque's '...' patch )
phf: ^ relevant ips http://btcbase.org/data/ips.txt probably not the whole thing, but what's in the logs
asciilifeform: anyway, i have neither the time (presently grunting out a much-delayed and urgent item) nor inclination to do the entire backlog (what, 800 of these?! by now) by hand.
asciilifeform: http://41.204.196.156/ << www.utiliworx.co.za . 'A variety of market based instruments are currently being traded in the world and these can broadly be categorised as brown, white and green certificates. Brown certificates deals with greenhouse gas emissions like SO2, CO2 etc. and trading in these instruments are also referred to as Emissions Trading. A cap-and-trade regime is generally used to limit the amount of pollutants into th
asciilifeform: http://97.68.61.236 << 'Test Equipment Connection Corporation is your worldwide single source test & measurement solution with locations in the USA and Asia. Offering over 300 test equipment manufacturers... '
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574555 << aaaah jurov must still be using the stock gnudiff, with the 'locale' crud still in
mircea_popescu: i keep doing these (7971 × 0.09 + 2011 × 4.26)÷(7971+2011) calculations
diana_coman: danielpbarron, automating storage retrieval/mixing would be great and it's sorely needed; for starters maybe have a look at the code in botstorage.cpp as that one deals with storage (it was used by an earlier version of the bot to get the ingredients directly from storage)
mircea_popescu: jurov does it treat the thumbsup unicode thing ?
asciilifeform: aah the great dream of all programmers : to stop.
diana_coman programmed (briefly) long time ago for a French open-source company; with azerty keyboard + unicode support because "clients" mostly French public sector entities -> after that initial experience (in fairness the unicode part was but a very small part of it - the bulk was the overall nonsense of the "endeavours") I just stopped programming all together (I got back into it years later mainly because ...eulora)
jurov: if 8th bit set makes you barf, i'll take care not to. otherwise, idgaf.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-29 14:54 asciilifeform: ants come every summer? thus also comes the anteater.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "doesn't matter cycles are cheap" happens to be exactly the gavin argument.
trinque has no love for it either, agreed.
asciilifeform: minds will boggle re wtf the ancestors did with their multicore GHz and what they had to show for it
asciilifeform: utf8 or any other variadic encoding is an evil thing, makes any nontrivial operation on a string O(N)
asciilifeform: ants come every summer? thus also comes the anteater.
mircea_popescu: but the technical problems aren't at issue here - it's the sociocultural compact of the deliberately-ignorant that are the issue.
mircea_popescu: yes, this would be very close to the lisp model of variables anyway.
asciilifeform: compress the bloatstring with normal compressor!
asciilifeform: it does, which is how the utf8 fudge happened. btw it was a monumentally wrong cut
mircea_popescu: so then people will try and optimize that, and what people mean by "optimize" is always "here, i'll take the cream, you do the work for me".
mircea_popescu: in principle there is a strong argument to say "alphabet size = machine word size" even if this didn't hold on pre-8 bit machines. and consequently you ~could~ have a type string that always takes 4 bytes and represents whatever the fuck. the problem is that this gives you a 400% memory allocation bloat for that type of string.
asciilifeform: all, what, 2? 3? 4? of these around
a111: Logged on 2016-11-29 14:43 phf: we had a thread when diff was first discussed as a way to do patches (i think maybe before even v), where i was erring on the side of no unicode support on the grounds that if we decide to support unicode we have to, to borrow asciilifeforms, drink the whole spittoon
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574510 << while i still prefer mircea_popescu's pinyin, this is not really true: it is still theoretically possible to do, e.g., utf16 but with strictly civilized (cultures with alphabets, and which do not fuck goats or write in own liquishit) chars
mircea_popescu: where the fuck's that thumbsup unicode glyph
phf: we had a thread when diff was first discussed as a way to do patches (i think maybe before even v), where i was erring on the side of no unicode support on the grounds that if we decide to support unicode we have to, to borrow asciilifeforms, drink the whole spittoon
a111: Logged on 2015-10-31 16:24 phf: some hypothetical b-a os and internal consistency of the whole model. if you say "we support utf-8" here, you're also saying "we support unicode x.y" everywhere
a111: Logged on 2015-10-31 16:22 phf: but i'm not talking about diff specifically, i'm saying that whatever decissions are being made about diff now are going to influence the kind of work we'll have to do in the future
mircea_popescu: but maybe time to make the point that this cleanliness is not coincidental.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/unicode-is-fucking-stupid-the-definitive-article/ << Trilema - Unicode is fucking stupid - the definitive article.
mircea_popescu: this whole "trade will make social problems go away" is just another "we'll feed ourselves with our own plaque".
mircea_popescu: and it also goes re "trade". yes the brits experienced a period of "hey, trade creates wealth". guess what - it created out of burning china's empire. spain idem. and the portuguese too.
asciilifeform: there was iirc something about how an economic landscape stable enough for 'savings' is an ephemeral and quite unnatural thing, rather like billiard table
asciilifeform: if anyone remembers when it was, stick a pointer here in the l0gz, imho it belongs.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al -- at some point there was a great 'savings ~never~ really worked' mircea_popescu thread
ben_vulpes considering "deskilling" the entire mobile-app "api server" with judicious compilation of libpq
phf: ben_vulpes: it is rather unfortunate how much time i wasted "following along", i know things now
ben_vulpes: phf: the things one learns!
asciilifeform: hence the 1,001 imitations his students made.
asciilifeform: pg's own 'viaweb' was -- supposedly -- the original.
phf: afaik heroku invented the whole "container" thing, i.e. instead of oldfag unixing you have a thing with many slots, that takes ruby code, provides postgresql, etc. so that you don't actually need to know anything outside of your rails world
mircea_popescu: what is the topic ?
ben_vulpes: ah, the spontaneous generation argument
ben_vulpes cranes at the salt in his ass
asciilifeform: somebody feeds the monkeys.
asciilifeform: thing had all of the classic stigmata of pgism
asciilifeform: and the yc people had public parades etc.
ben_vulpes: but lookie at the mircea_popescu citing sv's own propaganda machine
ben_vulpes: whatever, crunchbase took 2 seconds to return a page, i killed the process
ben_vulpes: wholly owned by salesfarce these days
asciilifeform: nobody's gonna ask him -- just like deindustrialization program is happening whether or not some old d00d signs xyz treaty or not
mircea_popescu: "m&a market" in the sense of bullshit "tech companies" of the software ilk is looking at a 99% contraction in 2017.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how they figure trump's gonna be printing for this.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-29 01:59 mircea_popescu: and in other news da fuck is https://karlened.herokuapp.com/Genesis-V-Manual.pdf
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574405 << it's the usual 'let's MONETIZE!1111 other people's work' spamolade
asciilifeform: hey it isn't any crazier than the geoip routine
asciilifeform: trinque: how much sweat would it take to add procedure, attempt http (80) and https (445) on phucked ip, then post http title, if found, and in case of ssl, cert id string
mircea_popescu: i thought you participated in the discussion lol
mircea_popescu: oh wait, blonde chicks surf cuz they're from california right ? and black chicks basketball. makes perfect sense. wanna bet the swimmer's a brunette ?
asciilifeform: ^ was in the l0gz
mircea_popescu: are they valid unicode ?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-is-probably-never-going-to-support-python-3/#comment-119926 << in other 3/10 for effort trollage
mircea_popescu: in other news, icann changed "domain lock" for transfers to... 60 days.
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] 1 Samuel 15:3 :: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 21:16 mircea_popescu: twenty years ago i was appalled at the atrocity of the original most serene republic sacking constantinople. now i am very much remiss they left anyone alive or any one thing standing, should have merv'd the fucking place.
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] 1 Corinthians 6:9 :: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Leviticus 18:25 :: And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Leviticus 18:24 :: Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 21:05 mircea_popescu: hardly. subcultures that embrace comfort do lasting damage to the geography. which is how and why mexico is a shithole now - the aztecs lived there. which is why and how ukraina and the dalmatian coast are shitholes now - byzantines lived nearby.
asciilifeform: mats: i will underscore the point: i am entirely, thoroughly, monumentally disinterested in purchasing industrial component where i gotta make a cousin-fucking relationship with some orc even before i get something like a quote. no anonymous cash'n'carry? not wanted in my supply line, not if there is an alternative.
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/sjwhate/comments/5fed8q/18_year_old_somali_child_killed_by_police_at_the/ lolments
asciilifeform: (incidentally linked piece is disinfo, per https://www.coreboot.org/pipermail/coreboot/2016-November/082331.html , the 'me' is not really dead )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574333 << 1) i want the raw chip 2) i want a steady supplier, not a d00d with 0 connection to my wot (including vendors i've personally used as 'connection' for this purpose)
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573903 << that is one of the best games ever. i have many memories of high school drunken debaucheries, where a small clique would periodically dip out, one by one, to perform their next move in heroes on the family computer
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Beerwolf - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beerwolf>; Luther and the Justifiability of Resistance to Legitimate Authority: <http://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1150%26context%3Dfacpub>; Meaning of Beerwolf - Encyclo: <http://www.encyclo.co.uk/meaning-of-Beerwolf>
mircea_popescu: !~google beerwolf luther
mircea_popescu: anyway, to expound on the whole huguenot issue : a) who expanded the medieval notion of "universitas" to a notion of "popular sovereignity" in the sense of "the people" being a unit, better and different from its constituent parts, and better than the king at hearing god, and to be represented by parliaments ? b) who broke with legist theory of "tyrant = whosoever opposes the monarch" to introduce a transcription of calvin's
mircea_popescu: "What follows are three distinct parts that can be read either independently or as a connected whole." aaand he lost me.
adlai: Joshua-I: i believe the only person who regularly talks about "moral [inventory]" uses the Big Book
BingoBoingo: adlai: Instructions begin with the last paragraph on page 63 and continue through the end of the chapter. Chapter 6 "Into Action" begin step 5.
mircea_popescu: (the division seen in moral philosophy vs material philosophy aka physics)
mircea_popescu: adlai i suspect in us-english parlance of the time, "moral" simply means "abstract". ie, don't count your ballsac.
adlai: sounds like the same bs rai dalyo rambles about in his multiple-hundred-page copypasta about "principles" and how life is all about discovering your principles, then he gives as an example of such a "principle" - gravitation
BingoBoingo: There is a solution
Joshua-I: like say you recognized the value in science / physical / sociological underpinnings but you were deranged
Joshua-I: but the point is this fundamental self hatred isn't necessarily limiting
Joshua-I: like if you read the logs, believed in mathematics (lol), and proof of work. still the first thing would put you at odds
mircea_popescu: the first what ?
Joshua-I: i'd say you only need the first
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 21:43 mircea_popescu: understand : when dorks dork on about "putting abstract principles above the people themselves" in http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ ; or when random nobody "does not have time to read logs" or "doesn't believe phuctor did so and so" or "doesn't see why should get a pgp key" or "doesn't think bitcoin can work" etc etc, there displayed is the SAME fundamental anti-idealism of the deliberately stupid l
shinohai: Though there is still no known cure for redditardedness
mircea_popescu: of course they disappear over time.
mircea_popescu: i'm not proposing idealism is acceptable, or good or the solution or anything. but i am outright saying that the specific sort of anti-idealism here displayed IS, in point of fact is, a mental disease.
mircea_popescu: it's not simply "how do other people dare not be miserable", but moreover - what if there's a little more to it all ? exactly the luciferic damnation, for that matter ; and exactly the one criticism pre ww2 jews never wanted to take seriously.
mircea_popescu: what's bothering them about people who smoke ; and about people who say $random-forbidden-word ; and about people who do not care what their "laws" say ; or about those mean evil "incomprehensible" terorists, what got them all angry about the mob and so on and so forth is the same fundamental self-hatred.
mircea_popescu: azy as in heine's hate of the picklehaube, or as in the hughuenot anger at the quaint catholic nonsense.
mircea_popescu: understand : when dorks dork on about "putting abstract principles above the people themselves" in http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ ; or when random nobody "does not have time to read logs" or "doesn't believe phuctor did so and so" or "doesn't see why should get a pgp key" or "doesn't think bitcoin can work" etc etc, there displayed is the SAME fundamental anti-idealism of the deliberately stupid l
mircea_popescu: consider the very strict vlad the impaler - brasov merchants opposition. the "financial elites" proposed the guy's administration will result in you know, economic collapse. didn't.
mircea_popescu: they evidently didn't kill gengis.
asciilifeform: the only piece i'm not sold on is the 'liberasty kills every great empire' thing. yes, it is ~found in the corpse~ of every great empire, but it is precisely the aids fungi.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not proposing any definite thing about the other party. what's so great about you know, making large stores of weapons only to have thieves take them.
mircea_popescu: it's not "similar" fungus. it is precisely and genetically-identical the same fungus.
mircea_popescu: so defined by these two points, we notice that it goes exactly through, not "very close" but EXACTLY THROUGH eg heine's "Nur fürcht ich, wenn ein Gewitter entsteht, zieht leicht so eine Spitze herab auf euer romantisches Haupt des Himmels modernste Blitze!"
asciilifeform: i deeply dun get it, what is so greatly sane about snarfing down the transubstantiation, trinities, etc. crapolade ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the deep point here is a certain anti-idealism, coherent in form and presentation, that permeates the five centuries of progre aggitation. the nonsensical objection re "has anything made your life better" in http://trilema.com/2016/consumerism-is-not-the-answer-though-it-will-put-you-to-sleep-or-american-history-x/ very exactly mirror the issues of denying the physical presence of christ in the diddled roman wine/brea
mircea_popescu: other end was very much "trump meets angry iraq war veterans, they decide to mass rape the nytimes & friends."
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Affair of the Placards - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affair_of_the_Placards>; Affaire des Placards — Wikipédia: <https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_des_Placards>; 18 octobre 1534 - L' Affaire des placards - Herodote.net: <https://www.herodote.net/18_octobre_1534-evenement-15341018.php>
mircea_popescu: are you aware they even had a flashmob ?
asciilifeform: killing fungus-of-the-day only staves off the ever more spectacular inevitable and gangrenous liquifaction.
mircea_popescu: this may well be so - but it is the same fungus.
asciilifeform: and actually i'm willing to buy mircea_popescu's 'they were similar in every way that counts.' just that i remain unconvinced that either is anything but the fungus growing on aids patient
mircea_popescu: they're both equally serious - which is to say as serious as they can be which isn't much.
asciilifeform: the hugenots et al., afaik, were 'serious'. vs the liberast 'hipster-ironic', 'global whatevering happens except when al gore's jet is flying', etc
mircea_popescu: they even had the lulzy "modern science" thing, EXACTLY like the current shitheads. and by exactly i mean literal identity, same words same structures.
mircea_popescu: 10% at the time, yes ? aspirational like exactly the "i am going to ny to be a writer just like carrie bradshaw" jew of today.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, seriously, in terms of individuals. how were the libertards of then not the huguenots of now.