mats: they're encouraged to spend, not manage
mats: the zero defect approach to officer evaluation reports and utter lack of experience managing money in a large org are not good traits
mats: some say he wouldn't have refused, if it had been marines in the fight
mats: although there's that incident involving an ODA group asking for medevac, being refused by mattis, forcing usaf to fly in from k2 with an unrested crew that didn't have maps
pete_dushenski: good pick then eh
pete_dushenski: refresher for those who are less familiar with fat tony : he was the lead pre-mine scammer behind ethereum. he basically handpicked the autistic alien vitalik and shoved his greasy wop hand up the poor kid's butt and played him like kermit the frog.
pete_dushenski: of course they framed it as fat tony 'leaving to pursue his other blockchain projects' but his days are officially over.
pete_dushenski: speaking of blogs, this comment came in recently with a link to an reuters piece about how the tsx had just turfed canadian scammer king anthony di iorio as their 'chief digital officer', just as i told them to do exactly five months ago. so goddam golden. mega-satisfying even though i didn't make a penny off the prediction.
pete_dushenski: also props to trinque for the wot visualiser. nifty bidness, that.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574565 << this is right in my backyard. also alma mater. nfi what the 'ssdpdev' program or specialty is, however.
pete_dushenski: many congrats to asciilifeform and mircea_popescu on squeeking in under the nth xmas deadline for #fuckgoats. looking forward to getting my hands on one, whatever batch that may be. will probably order a few and give as gifts to sufficiently nerdy friends.
BingoBoingo: d to the emergency department with severe pain, swelling, and warmth to his knee."
BingoBoingo: Related http://epmonthly.com/article/treating-chainsaw-laceration-ep-enough/ "The patient claimed that he was given a staple remover and was told to remove the staples in one week. Emergency department staff stated that they gave him a staple remover to bring to his primary care physician to have the staples removed in 12-14 days. The patient removed the staples three days after they had been placed. Two months later, the patient returne
BingoBoingo: Also possible Trump want Preet to leave in scandal the next activist prosecution overturned on appeal
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 19:25 mircea_popescu: i have personally repaired malfunctioning electronics with a well placed hit to the side.
mircea_popescu: they just want to smell blood.
mircea_popescu: but in other obscure arcana, http://68.media.tumblr.com/85dcb1cd1002b08c978b2738720da4f7/tumblr_oe8kg2KzS21v81p6qo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: 'Public Note: Colorful eggs! You find it! Then what? Donate back to me if you like it. Other eggs are not far, I'd like to leave some clues about the pages or the keys, but I'm sleepy now.' << wat
ben_vulpes: in the directory.io/faq page?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i clicked on some link in there and it showed me an orange pile with some sort of teddybear crushed under it
mircea_popescu: incidentally, no such labs now larger referrer for trilema than the logs.
shinohai: There was an enterprising lady on reddit iirc who charged 0.1 to keep the tards locked up in one weekly.
asciilifeform: lel the thing from mircea_popescu's tale
mircea_popescu: and in other eu news, http://x.imagefapusercontent.com/u/MrPayne/4694500/204087145/cuck_bw_07.jpg
asciilifeform: what's the fine, same 20bux as for smoking in a lift ?
trinque: let himself in << what the fuck?
ben_vulpes: i didn't actually know that the fire marshall planned to let himself in, but GLORIOUS SOCIALIST UTOPIA OF PORTLAND
ben_vulpes: funny thing is that i can guarantee if i'm drawing any serious amount of amperage it will be the walls that ignite and not my nigga-rigged workstation
mircea_popescu: and in other utf news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a45654e4c3ad69ae4c0b4e2a9fbd4dbd/tumblr_oftz3cP7JU1ufsny6o1_1280.gif
jurov went to look up trabajadores, there was this example usage: Mis trabajadores roban material de oficina de la empresa.
asciilifeform: but i have not been there.
mircea_popescu: sort-of how the long lost compass in tribal shaman's possession is covered in braids and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: i mean, IVECO trucks, clearly made for municipal use, clearly delivered new sometime in the past 2-3 years. as loud as a zil uphill.
asciilifeform: (i learned of this existing when finally found the schematics for own auto, and marvelled)
mircea_popescu: with their fucking shovels, fucking up everything.
mircea_popescu: but then it became crystal clear - they have these auto shops here, about 100x the floor space of bars and nightclubs altogether. and in them, men. trabajadores.
mircea_popescu: at which point englithment struck me : do you know that in two years here i NEVER heard an engine as quiet as the item left the factory ?
mircea_popescu: and he used that shovel. to bang on the lower end of the steep pipe, ostensibly to induce it to take a shape less offensive to his taste and good public morals.
mircea_popescu: so folks may recall the airconditioner pics ? in the same vein, this morning there was a truck loaded with steel pipes, and two trabajadores. one of them held a pipe up in the air vertically, with great effort, as the wind threatened to cause a serious workplace accident any moment. the other had a shovel.
asciilifeform once sat down to put it in and then found that he cannot even delete one tx from the pool !
asciilifeform: (there is nothing presently keeping miners from prioritizing how they like. but -- too stupid)
mircea_popescu: i can't say i grasp what the dude thought he was doing exactly.
asciilifeform: or even the coin age priority thing.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575976 << i suspect that 'the dose makes the poison', as often is the case, most 'erdos' success stories involve very very small ones.
mircea_popescu: A student told his friend, "My teacher has amazing powers. He moves a pen in the air and characters appear on a piece of paper held on the other side of the river. What does your master do?" His friend replied "My great master follows Zen. When he is hungry, he eats and when he is tired he sleeps."
trinque: mircea_popescu: A student once asked his teacher, "Master, what is enlightenment?" The master replied, "When hungry, eat. When tired, sleep." << this thing?
asciilifeform: and lel, 'bangkok motor show' in there
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 18:25 trinque: still didn't feel superhuman on either; more like excited dog that has to sniff everything in a loop
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 18:24 trinque has advocated various dopes in the past solely because they were fun, like camping is fun, but I don't write code camping either. I camp.
asciilifeform: box claims 'like in movie theatre' -- and true! !! ~back row~
phf: sort of reminds me how i was trying to teach a group of script kiddies to program. "this here shellcode -- that we use to pwn newwwbs!!! -- yes, yes, see it's x86 assembly -- ... -- and you disassemble it, and then even write your own -- so we can pwn newbs better????!!! -- yes yes precisely"
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 18:07 asciilifeform: the 'culture' was, as i gather, never actually ~about~ the code, but... about the coffee; the shared deathmarches; the dope; the sensory deprivation bottles; the 'scene'; and other pretenses.
mircea_popescu: there's specific sexual behaviours involved ; not so much work-oriented. unless you count cunt crushing.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 18:06 phf: also made me rather mistrustful of a lot of "hacker culture" elements, like too much coffee, night hacking, after hour sprints, weekend hacking, all things that i've confirmed from experience to contributing to atrocious code
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575685 << you have to appreciate that "hacker culture" as practiced by adolescents is very different from hacking and very related to adolescence. the "hunting culture" of adolescents similarly is more about the horde being together and all excited than about catching anything.
mircea_popescu: fine example for trinque 's folder on "brain - not reasoning machine". woman goes out in the field with the horde of kids (whose job as we know is to act as landmine sacrifices for the mysterious bushes). notices kid eats berries from berry bush, notices kid doesn't die, has some, and then tomorrow, and then
asciilifeform: (how folx often die -- from observer's pov, quite avoidably -- in the cockpit, author tells, is by taking idiot risk they 'got away with many times before')
asciilifeform: the old piloting book, interestingly, goes into subj
mircea_popescu: success unhinges the mind.
mircea_popescu: yeah apparently he spent a year trolling the internet for "spiritualists" lel.
asciilifeform: the idea (or at least the popular notion, i was not at his deathbed and have nfi re fact) was that the man , with infinite money, could have likely lived if he had spent it on the 'brezhnev-grade' medical fuckery earlier.
asciilifeform: either kind is 'while lasts'.
mircea_popescu also sent girl with uti to buy herself gallon of cranberry juice the day before taking same girl to er because OMFG IT HURTS and pumping her full of nitrofuran.
mircea_popescu has had some occasion to try such wonders, like treated girl's sprain with mustard. it worked on her just as well as generally works, notwithstanding not from the right culture.
mircea_popescu: kinda dangerous for the priest, but it's what it is.
mircea_popescu: a) people want to do x ; b) people don't weant to do x ; c) people pick the more lunatic marginal, make him Priest of X.
asciilifeform: ritualization of $working-item is how priests siphon off some of the bang of the buck
phf: perhaps if some tribe accidentally learned how to synth p they would have "festivals" around it. "doesn't work otherwise"
asciilifeform: in re this and all other 'medicalizations' -- straight to tlp
asciilifeform: phf: this is rather like medieval nuns who saw rubbing clit as only acceptable if done indirectly as part of a 'saintly ecstatic dream' etc
phf knows some hippies to who refer to psychedelic mushrooms as "medicine" and stick to the whole medical terminology throughout. mind you they take them at festivals, but "for medicinal purposes"
asciilifeform: something, let's say, superficially resembling the intended effect
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there are 2 basic magisteria of self-medicators -- where the dope actually does something; and where not
mircea_popescu: and ftr in the "Self administered medication" above i don't just count "performance enhancing psychoactives" but also colodial silver, large servings of c vitamin and for that matter fucking steroids.
asciilifeform: the observation about 'nitro in a stock engine' is not untrue: idiots who take stim produce idiocy 10x faster, because they are unaccustomed to the horsepower and have nfi where to put it, their crankshaft simply bends
asciilifeform: (though afaik no known dope falls squarely into this category, the discovery of thyroid hormone almost falls in )
mircea_popescu: i have personally repaired malfunctioning electronics with a well placed hit to the side.
asciilifeform: incidentally it is not inconceivable that some of the natural variation in wakefulness, pain tolerance, etc. among people reduces to something that one could - to an extent - chemically scam into existence
mircea_popescu: and then you hafta whatever, eat wd40
mircea_popescu: and i have yet to see people who altered their neurons prior to doping.
mircea_popescu: "no doubt it was a hit by the anti-tea-gasoline lobby because he knew too much"
mircea_popescu: the occasional death in a garage fireball because idiot had leaky still...
asciilifeform: the correct analogy here, at least in re dopes that actually DO something, is nitro.
mircea_popescu: the stuff that gave us strega and campari and whatnot. "secret family recipe. blessed by pope! 500 plants!"
mircea_popescu: no but i mean, something equivalent to the fortified wine / bitter craze of the 1700/1800s.
mircea_popescu: they could have a web forum dedicated to debating formulas...
mircea_popescu: come to think about it, i find it deeply regrettable that fuel teas aren't fashionable. imagine, if people actualyl did plant mix decoctions to mix in their gas tanks.
phf: this goes back to the whole computer as an intelligence augmentation thread we had
asciilifeform: most of the things 'plankton' do on done, there is equally little actual reason to do any of.
asciilifeform: then -- done.
mircea_popescu: if only the exxon people had thought to mix mountain berries and chalk powder into the damned thing. but the anti-berry lobby is keeping a lid on things.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 19:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575840 << he will no doubt be less than pleased to hear that i can / historically have stayed up for days at a stretch because i wanted to. it's all in the brain, man!
mircea_popescu: trinque try as i might i fail to see self-administered medication in any better light than self-mixed gasoline. "oh, my fuel mix gives me much better power and gas mileage". meanwhile derp drives a fucking honda and has an evil eye pendant dangling from the rear view mirror.
mircea_popescu: "mice were found in germany which is a country that once invaded the soviet union where lenin introduced electricity which goes through tubes in which tubes today in england most mices live." "OH NOW IT ALL FALLS INTO PLACE!!!"
trinque: mircea_popescu: aha, and the dope runs heavy risk of false-positive "did something useful out of character"
mircea_popescu: for a while a very popular ~tv format~ was this string of factoids going in a sort of free association from a noun back again to it. the whole thing read too fast and with "bbc noises" in the background (you know the idiocy, chimes intended to propose THE IMPORTANT IS OCCURING!)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575666 << "i fucking love science!" there's a lot of these.
mircea_popescu: (which is why the whole "nobody could have predicted" is such an endearingly stupid exercise in ignorance pleading, but whatevers)
mircea_popescu: that ~nobody wants to notice~ is the very point. yes, once the spot on the sleeve is pointed out it stands out. and before it wasn't there.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575841 << yes, but this is not really what's discussed here. obviously when you grok something you grok something. but in order to get yourserlf to where you grok something, you invariably have to do something "out of character". there has to be some pressure. "and at that moment x was enlightened" specifically says "x abused himself to the point of", but nobody wants to notice.
mod6: so now, i see that 'nosuchlabs.com' homepage is the 'fuckgoats' page -- no middle finger
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 18:57 trinque: this dope topic is a perfect example. I was making a similar "psychedelics open your mind, man" argument a year or two ago, and mp thoroughly trashed the argument.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575840 << he will no doubt be less than pleased to hear that i can / historically have stayed up for days at a stretch because i wanted to. it's all in the brain, man!
mircea_popescu: trinque it has to be so ; so as to prevent the reality-representation tandem from going into positive feedback.
trinque: when you encounter the truth, it better flip bits in your skull, or you are broken. this includes "I must build/learn/etc X"
a111: Logged on 2016-09-01 19:52 trinque: http://trilema.com/2016/the-bickening/ << /me perceives more of "republic describes the structure of meaning" here
trinque: I would say one of the functions of a republic is to do precisely this, i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1533200
trinque: this dope topic is a perfect example. I was making a similar "psychedelics open your mind, man" argument a year or two ago, and mp thoroughly trashed the argument.
mod6: doesn't seem to resolve the issue. but w/e. less people in line in front of me!
asciilifeform: all of the pages should have same link
mod6: ooooh. i see what the problem was. the homepage doesn't have a link to 'shop'. after clicking on 'the real bitcoin' link, then was taken to that page, where a 'shop' link exists.
phf: trinque: all voracious learners i know eventually hit the point, where acquiring knowledge/skill requires significant amount of self abuse. the kind of abuse in question is the actual, physical pain that you experience in your head, when for example trying to grok math analysis. only people who never experienced that are jacks of all trades who bail before that point (or mythical genuises who never hit their limits before death, i know
asciilifeform: mod6 ^ rather
asciilifeform: mats: page is all there, box -- not in any sense hammered; should load normally
trinque: gabriel_laddel_p: k, now describe the iterated case.
mod6: I aquired a box, so was just gonna re-read some of the stuff and place an order later tonight.
mod6: asciilifeform: did you guys take down the order form for fuckgoats?
gabriel_laddel_p: I should have been a little more specific earlier re: why cocaine in particular, or meth (in particular) would be useful IN MY SITUATION. I think it would be useful when you find yourself on a forced march in the sense that you MUST stay awake for a few hours longer than you normally would have, perhaps on the company of people who you should proba
trinque: I am trying to digest the perspective that one must beat himself to behave according to his own model of reality, subjectively.
mircea_popescu: none of this is much more than observing that you know, "in theory there's no difference between theory and practice..." ie, the represented difference between representation and reality reduces to a representation.
mircea_popescu: consider the illustrative case of physics. newtonian mechanics (representation structured as representation) is valuable because a) it works in representative terms, ie, math and b) matches observable reality. but there is no objective relation between a and b, which is why science fiction can exist for instance ; and also why the only thing that can be said about nm is that it's ... not correct.
trinque: I was the kid who voraciously wanted to learn, ended up tiring of starving, went wandering in the woods for food.
mircea_popescu: trinque the structure of representation qua representation does not particularly match the structure of reality qua reality.
asciilifeform: actually mediocrity ~does~ consist of the places to which brain goes willingly.
trinque: asciilifeform: what is this external thing that the brain wont go along with willingly?
mircea_popescu: the recent trilema byline about mediocrity conversely states "there is no perversity other than thinking"
asciilifeform: it is why asciilifeform is sympathetic to the 'gabriel_laddel's dope' pov : the degree of contortion involved in serious engineering , mentally, is every bit as much a self-abuse as to take any known dope
mircea_popescu: brain is not reasoning engine in the sense rectum is not vagina.
mircea_popescu: much like the meaning of "established" itself.
mircea_popescu: the sad fact of the matter is that the brain is not a reasoning engine. in a very purely naturalistic, bio-logical way, this is sensible. the practice of "talk to the text, not context or subtext" has become established through moo practice
mircea_popescu: not even. they assume that everyone's an imbecile, and therefore will discuss what's said. so if they tell you about the money they spent you'll discuss money spent and if they tell you about his abs you'll discuss abs.
asciilifeform: they assume that 'everyone does same thing'
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 17:41 asciilifeform: i find it interesting that the authors of these (and there are many) virtually never mention even approx. ~what~ their 'super team' of 'super people' was DOING
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575648 << this is because you are invited to bond. girls bitching to other girls about their bfs ALSO don't actually say what they're doing.
asciilifeform: ^ for some reason i picture the protagonist of subj as him !
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 01:42 shinohai: This may be the best story I have seen all day: Former gay porn actor turned German spy arrested for secretly being a Jihadist http://archive.is/9SQqY
mircea_popescu: THEN WE TAKE BERLIN!
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated gabriel_laddel_p 1 << Crazed Cali Kid, but at least banging his head against a goldmine rather than a brick wall.
mircea_popescu: !!rate gabriel_laddel_p 1 Crazed Cali Kid, but at least banging his head against a goldmine rather than a brick wall.
trinque: and he was just about to win the war, even!
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: it is the poor modern americans resynthesis of the original coke + booze cocktails
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: according to morrel, the fuhrer took his 'vitamins' injected every morning and at lunch
gabriel_laddel_p: but it seems we are on the same page.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: there's a metabolite that comes out when digestion booze and coke together
asciilifeform: for the cocaethylene ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you ever examined the nasal septum of long term coke whore ?
shinohai: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven-Per-Cent_Solution <<< Holmes later went to Dr. Sigmund Freud's rehab clinic in Vienna
ben_vulpes: one of the few psyochoactive experiments left on my list is the eyedropper bottle of cocaine/alcohol solution
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 17:30 jurov: i guess they specialize to very different niches of govt ecosystem than alf
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 17:27 asciilifeform: fact that if the base library dependency isn’t there, the component can’t link to it. He looked at me and said, “There are no facts, there are only opinions, and all opinions are equal.” ...'
trinque: still didn't feel superhuman on either; more like excited dog that has to sniff everything in a loop
trinque: smokes for bit, stops cold one day. same experience with the powdery one.
asciilifeform: and take it every other month.
asciilifeform: trinque: probably the folx who erdos for decade on single 100g bottle of it and will take secret to the grave.
trinque has advocated various dopes in the past solely because they were fun, like camping is fun, but I don't write code camping either. I camp.
trinque: who is this person that felt like they could figure things out on cocaine? then later saw that they in fact, had.
phf: haha, most definitely. cocaine is all the upper echelons (the drug of choice on capitol hill), alcohol is for the grunts. aspiring managers notably prefer vodka redbulls are a nodick compromise
asciilifeform: these -- proven failure.
asciilifeform: but quite destructive to folx who are doing equivalent of ~planning~ the march
asciilifeform: 'packing', and brute labour of whatever other kind, also can have sensation of 'inch away', read the tales of athletes in training, alpinists, pilots.
phf: the first part of writing happens in a mapper mode, i.e. daydreaming for lack of better word before any kind of code is actually written, second in packer i.e. actual typing. that's also when cocaine/caffeine/aderal might help
asciilifeform: and because of this, have difficulty picturing them as fixed 'types' from birth.
asciilifeform: only the latter, notably, results in the inmate/employee being of some residual use to his owner, so 'corporate culture' is unsurprisingly built around utilization of this type, and the speedy ejection of the other one.
asciilifeform: briefly revisiting upstack, imho 'mapper' and 'packer' as depicted in the essays are only 'types of people' in the sense that there were two types of inmate at auschwitz - folx who immediately jumped the fence and died on the wire, and ones who 'checked out' and turned 'Muselmann' ;
asciilifeform: the code - was incidental. which is why it today is going the way of the snake's legs, or the f35's wings and engine.
asciilifeform: the 'culture' was, as i gather, never actually ~about~ the code, but... about the coffee; the shared deathmarches; the dope; the sensory deprivation bottles; the 'scene'; and other pretenses.
phf: also made me rather mistrustful of a lot of "hacker culture" elements, like too much coffee, night hacking, after hour sprints, weekend hacking, all things that i've confirmed from experience to contributing to atrocious code
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had a pretty good handle on subj, though i have misplaced the relevant piece. the one where he described two basic outcomes of the traditional western crippling of schoolchildren, and they roughly correspond to the 'mapper' and 'packer' portrayed here, and in 'bipolar lisp programmer', and other similar essays.
phf: but anyway, the reason why i mentioned it, and the one thing of value that i derived from progstone is the idea of stess addiction. i'm not sure about the mechanism that he proposes, but identifying and neutralizing sources of needless stress served me well for many years since i read it
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 17:46 phf: http://www.programmersstone.com are the original, and c2 discussion http://wiki.c2.com/?ProgrammersStone
asciilifeform: there was not an earlier document ?
phf: those quotes are from blog, not the original site
asciilifeform: or some other work
asciilifeform: quote of 'programmer stone' ? we had a number of these earlier in thread ?
phf: i would've prefered criticism that involved quotes (since there are plenty of things to make fun of), rather than a somehwat off mark general trash talking
asciilifeform: reader must feel 'on the throne' merely by act of reading.
asciilifeform: important ingredient is the lack of mathematical or any other pre-requisite that a reader might lack and thereby stumble, or provoke feeling of inferiority
asciilifeform: asciilifeform refers to this genre of writing as '10th-dimension', after infamous pseudoscientific b00k/www by same name, which consisted of highly refined 'imponade' (to borrow naggum's) , that is, writing designed to pull the reader's intellectual cock and give a sensation of 'profound insight', 'yes, NAO i UNDERSTAND FIZZZIX!' or similar.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 01:24 mircea_popescu: I blame Eric Raymond and to a lesser extent Dave Winer for bringing this kind of schlock writing onto the Internet. Raymond is the original perpetrator of the "what is a hacker?" essay, in which you quickly begin to understand that a hacker is someone who resembles Eric Raymond. Dave Winer has recently and mercifully moved his essays off to audio, but you can still hear him snorfling cashew nuts and talking at length about wh
phf: asciilifeform: it ~is~ the infamous mappers and packers thing, m&p is first chapter
ben_vulpes: and a pike of entropy sitting in the corner
asciilifeform: phf: lol, it was same d00d as the infamous 'mappers and packers' thing?!!
asciilifeform: phf: happen to have a preserved copy of any of these ?
phf: http://www.programmersstone.com are the original, and c2 discussion http://wiki.c2.com/?ProgrammersStone
phf: when i said "programmers stone" i meant papers published by blog's author in 97 or so, which are very vague and speculative but had some interesting ideas about programming. most references to subj in oldfag circles result in "oh yeaaah i member" reaction. the blog has not much to do with original
asciilifeform: ( and what precisely could be a motivation, in moribund american megacorp where 'proverbial' programmer always seems to work, to 'super' ? 1% bonus ? to be fired three months later than the next-best team ? better potato ration ? which..? )
asciilifeform: i find it interesting that the authors of these (and there are many) virtually never mention even approx. ~what~ their 'super team' of 'super people' was DOING
jurov: sorry, pls what was that "25 times more productive" link? somwhow can't find it in the log
asciilifeform: i thought this was known to pretty much everyone in the field since... '70s..? but apparently not
asciilifeform: but giving ~them~ soundproof boxes etc. simply results on moar tetris-man-hours.
asciilifeform: and where they are found, they are kept in comfortable conditions, or even spared the idiocy of commuting to offices etc.
asciilifeform: folx who WANT to do the thing they are doing -- or at least have genuine desire to hold in their hands the end result, $widget, $proggy , and not merely the week's paycheque -- give the impression of the '25x productive'
jurov: i guess they specialize to very different niches of govt ecosystem than alf
asciilifeform: 1st line of subj article , 'For decades we have known that some people are 25 times more productive than most in software engineering jobs. ...' is correct, but the remaining article gets the cause/effect relationship backwards
asciilifeform: do they live anywhere outside of caricature ? normally dysfunction is more subtle.
asciilifeform: the 'missing library cannot be linked -- is merely OPINION' people.
asciilifeform: i gotta wonder, how come i never met these folx.
asciilifeform: fact that if the base library dependency isn’t there, the component can’t link to it. He looked at me and said, “There are no facts, there are only opinions, and all opinions are equal.” ...'
asciilifeform: en able to link. One day it became apparent that the component extended a base class of the Qt graphics toolkit, while their program used MFC. Foolishly, I ventured to suggest that if the base class wasn’t available, a derived class couldn’t be linked to it. One of the workers informed me that this was “my opinion”. I should have left it alone, I know. But I used to work in a useful industry. I explained that it was a simple
asciilifeform: 'Amongst some people, such confusion has been elevated to a philosophical ideology. I once watched a very lost group working near to me, who had spent months trying to print out a graph. It was all very complicated for them. Eventually they decided to purchase a third party graph drawing component, which advertised that it could print out graphs. After considerable administration they obtained a binary library, which they were not th
asciilifeform: again, in case this was not clear, the two boards pictured are consumer products, sold for 1-3 $ / ea. just about anywhere.
asciilifeform: (they've been around since late 1990s when usb became common, in one form or another)
asciilifeform: and comes from wherever you like, incl. the back of your desk drawer
phf: (i finished the docs)
asciilifeform: the only usb-speaking ICs on the market with no PERSISTENT FLASH STATE are all usb-to-rs232ttl converters anyway
asciilifeform: perhaps this is a good time and place to say why. in short -- specificity-of-diddling theorem.
asciilifeform: the pictured converters are quite common and the folks who played with 'pogo' already have some.
asciilifeform: (the rs232 db-9 serial heads are not here yet, crate should be in shortly )
asciilifeform: (and ~every other old pistol we have)
asciilifeform: (subj device speaks ordinary rs232 at TTL voltage, gets converted to the desired end by standard dongle)
asciilifeform: lower-case fuckgoats are simply goats, such that are supplied to bagram airbase for the troops to fuck.
phf: asciilifeform: that's a good question, i haven't isolated the bug, but i'm pretty sure on openbsd crashes instantaneously. note that c++ threads are involved, so perhaps they try to initialize things even before you start using them?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 15:51 asciilifeform: unrelated lel, how many folx see 'PLEASE read the instructions !' and then drop something other than pgpgram in the funnel
phf: researching the problem i came across a lot of "my static linked openbsd program just crashes! ... ... -lpthread ... ...", but also a handful of linux ones
phf: has all the objects linked together with ld -r and therefore this will just work there, on others you need -Wl,--whole-archive -lpthread -Wl,--no-whole-archive" (from comment)
asciilifeform: i dun think i have ever visited the mighty land of Guaranteed To Work
asciilifeform: and btw holy FUCK is that thing slow. SLOW. in the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=300 sense. i can literally feel every disk write.
mircea_popescu: i'm a fucking pioneer, been doing it since the last millenium!
asciilifeform: 'of note, previously static compilation on OpenBSD resulted in segmentation fault. this is due to libpthread not being fully linked into the final static binary...' << what did this dig lead to , phf ?
mod6: I think it was this: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000118.html
asciilifeform: tbh i do not have a clear picture of what use a trb-on-mac might be to anyone, given as the thing needs to be up 24/7 for any practical battlefield value
mod6: yeah, it predates v im sure. i'll dig up the email...
phf: oh i misunderstood your original sentence, yeah, we are on the same page
asciilifeform: phf: in principle it ought to work on bsd etc. but will shit out a linux binary, unless you were to fiddle with it rather heavily. but i do not see why to do this.