ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: seen any of the hbo show 'westworld'?
mircea_popescu: kinda been going like that, 2015 > 2014 then 2016 > 2015
BingoBoingo: The pete_dushenski anals of 2016 are detailed, but prolly missing something. 2016 seems to be banner year for republic.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, "i think this is the beginning of a biutiful fashism" as per https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po1GUcxSqyo
mircea_popescu: moar like the end of it.
phf: "skilled and talented chosen over ny times writers and editors, is this the beginning of fashism?"
mats: ('scuse the mobile site)
mats: oops, this is actually the one i was looking at https://m.alibaba.com/product/60555752827/ESP8266-ESP8266EX-Wifi-Chip-with-SDIO.html?spm=a2706.7843299.1998817009.5.p7nmiv
mats: way to denigrate the suffering of tens of millions dead because you want to make an incendiary political statement
mircea_popescu: what's with mats thinking random spamsites have anything to do with the world.
mats: if it's not 'the alt right is made up of neo nazis' it's 'chinese people are implementing eugenics by selecting for clever and attractive children in band programs'
mircea_popescu: incidentally i'd say the arrangement as present is also the right thing. bot should send raw bytes ; wwwtron should send escape codes.
phf: for example in the original there's a byte sequence \xc3\xb0, it's a valid utf-8 for code point #240, which if it renders looks like `ð' and in html can be represented as ð
jurov: ^ my aubergine came back as raw bytes f0 9f 8d 86 but in the html log it is 🍆
phf: nah, in the first case bot's sending raw bytes on the the wire (which are valid utf-8 for a bogus code point sequence), in the second case the raw bytes have been intrepreted as code points and are sent as html escape codes for code points.
mircea_popescu: other than "unicode is fucking evil" i have no moral from this wasted hour.
phf: yeah it does, but in this case the byte sequence is untouched, because the original byte sequence is valid utf-8. the disparity seems to come from the fact that a111 sends utf-8 sequence, where's website renders it as unicode code points.
mircea_popescu: just did a hexdump on the logfile. the relevant portion "or ðif" reads hexdump or ðif0000000 726f c320 c2b0 c29f c28d 6986 0066
mircea_popescu: but granted this is pretty fucking out there.
mircea_popescu: which is why the belief that a111 mangles something. because otherwise how is my irc client distinguishing ?
mircea_popescu: but my same client does NOT misreport OTHER instances of "🍆" as " �" when they are ~not~ spoken by a111
mircea_popescu: so : for ~some reason~ my client reports a111 as saying " �" whereas the webpage reports it as saying "🍆"
jurov: i think ben_vulpes' client magled it, i see all the aubergines fine, except his
mircea_popescu: the other one only appears pasted by me. so apparently i have an issue whereby unicode transforms into bs.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes</a>: heh, today i learned the unitards are so fully vested in the anti-sex brigade that U+1F346 or 🍆if my client doesn't mangle it
a111: Logged on 2016-12-04 17:25 mircea_popescu: except it isnt : the website shows ðŸ�†if whereas a111 says ð. these two will appear the same in the btcbase log, but i trust you see them different in terminal ?
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu</a>: except it isnt : the website shows �if whereas a111 says 🍆. these two will appear the same in the btcbase log, but i trust you see them different in terminal ?
phf: and the original sequence that ben_vulpes sent ~can~ be parsed as valid utf-8, so it gets mapped to some code points and rendered a such.
mircea_popescu: this is some of the craziest shit.
phf: so apparently cl-who's escape-string which produces the ð... bits simply takes character's char-code which in sbcl corresponds to character's unicode code point
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: heh, today i learned the unitards are so fully vested in the anti-sex brigade that U+1F346 or 🍆if my client doesn't mangle it << pasted from page source of the log
phf: well, that's what i'm saying is that i can't find the second ("expected to say") sequence anywhere on btcbase
a111: Logged on 2016-12-04 05:07 ben_vulpes: heh, today i learned the unitards are so fully vested in the anti-sex brigade that U+1F346 or ðif my client doesn't mangle it, goes by the name of /aubergine/
mircea_popescu: not the right bytes, not even the right byte count, and now i suspect this is enough for priviledge escalation in a111 or any other item which uses the same unicode libs.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-04 05:07 ben_vulpes: heh, today i learned the unitards are so fully vested in the anti-sex brigade that U+1F346 or ðif my client doesn't mangle it, goes by the name of /aubergine/
mircea_popescu: and now we have the whole story.
phf: what a111 should say should be identical to what the website says though, let me check
mircea_popescu: except it isnt : the website shows ðŸ�†if whereas a111 says ð. these two will appear the same in the btcbase log, but i trust you see them different in terminal ?
phf: sure, and that works. sending utf-8 byte sequence for u+1f346 is correctly preserved through (which is also the case for all the other unicode that's being sent, like thumbs up)
phf: what was the original byte sequence you sent?
mircea_popescu: so now, you're telling me the XY vs XZ line happens because... i pass latin-1 ? then why is Z there.
phf: the log website ~and the bot~ render everything as unicode, because you can't mix multiple encodings in rendering. before rendering a decision needs to be made about the validity of original content. the validity check is "if this is not valid utf-8, then assume it's latin-1, in which case take latin-1 string and encode it as utf-8"
phf: well, a111 takes a pill against the convention. otherwise you get the mangled lines in log rendering for all the latin-1 posted content
phf: this happens because of the often discussed latin-1 fallback. "by convention" irc lines are interpreted as "utf-8 and if that fails latin-1"
mircea_popescu: in the case you tested, yes. in the case i tested, the log seems to, judging by the www part, but the bot quoting in chan doesn't, judging by the transform. like :
phf: but log never the less interprets, stores and passes through correct unicode
mircea_popescu: this self-licking icecream cone has the capacity to keep coders entertained for multiple lifetimes.
mircea_popescu: phf there seem to be 3 layers of manglizing. yours above i saw both as a square with numbers, so i suspect your irc client fucks it up ; mine above is fucked up differently (looks like byte-interpreted rather than unicode) and then the scarfer/www displayer prints them out correctly but a111 reads them eggog'd.
pete_dushenski: just sold the is300 this morning on its first showing and fifth day on sale, have an appt to rent out a condo shortly here. looking to go 2 for 2 on the day. abc baby!
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: lel
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-04#1577542 << wow check out the quick turnaround. year's not even done yo! i was making noises in advance, ben_vulpes style.
mircea_popescu: i think a111 mangles the log read though.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-04 05:07 ben_vulpes: heh, today i learned the unitards are so fully vested in the anti-sex brigade that U+1F346 or ðif my client doesn't mangle it, goes by the name of /aubergine/
thestringpuller: !~later tell pete_dushenski shit. first you get circle of life stuck in my head, now i'll be watching the why of fry...
a111: Logged on 2016-12-04 06:17 pete_dushenski: and don't even get me started on blowers. they're worse than scooty puffs as far as motorised sensitory offenses.
jurov: When dieharder has to rewind them so many times, obv it finds some problems
ben_vulpes: same goes for mircea_popescu and the very very long depreciation schedule
pete_dushenski: and i gotta agree that v8 is defo the king. the queen and prince would be i6 and v12, just not sure the orde tbh. but these are the most readily encountered configurations that are inherently balanced, which results in smoother firing sequences and less vibration. i4 and v6, which are found in >90% of new cars sold. v8 is only ~5% of new cars (trucks obv. have much higher uptake of larger engines).
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: caught the 'commie is someone who doesn't drive a v8' reference! 'grand tour' was finally released in canada and i caught up this weekend. skipped most of ep2 but had a fair few chuckles throughout 1&2.
pete_dushenski: canadians are too nice and middle class to even SAY they object to blowers. so... they persist.
pete_dushenski: like all 'empowering' devices. they do ~jack shit but they FEEL phenomenal for the user. at least that's my impression. god help me if i ever find myself using a blower first-hand.
BingoBoingo: And yes, this means you invite the neighborhood to beat you down if you can't back up your blower's roar.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Nah, to the neighbors. You are daring them to MAKE you quiet that shit down.
BingoBoingo: ANd they are not sensory offenses. They are sensory aggression. They are a challenge to all who hear their roar.
pete_dushenski: i've even been using a broom on the light dustings of snow we've been graced with this fall. big fan for the drier, powdier varietals of the flakey stuff.
pete_dushenski: and don't even get me started on blowers. they're worse than scooty puffs as far as motorised sensitory offenses.
mircea_popescu: blowers are the most fucking retarded nontool, above even kitchen robots. (which no, aren't "work saving", competent woman beats it out of water in all domestic cases).
BingoBoingo: This is very true. The lawn niche where electric consistently still loses to gas is blowers and blowers lose to strong back and a rake.
mircea_popescu: or why diesel subs still use electric engines to power the shaft.
mircea_popescu: the odd truth is that electric engines are much better at small and high loads. the combustion engine has it's niche, but it's strictly car sized.
BingoBoingo: most contemporary lawn mowers have moved on to 4-cycles. 2-cyle however dominates the more noble string trimmer.
mircea_popescu: (to properly math 3.3*745.7 = 2460.81 watts of work for 47 * 10**6 / 2.20462 / 3600 = 5921.90742874 watts of burned off fuel. that's 41.5% which is still pretty remarkable, around the upper bound for a large 4stroke.)
mircea_popescu: supposedly 3.3 hp/lb/hr, which translated from the idiotic idiotarian units would be over 50% efficiency.
mircea_popescu: http://www.niquette.com/books/sophmag/bourke.htm << for the engine-vs-thermodynamics afficionados. you surely heard of the famous bourke engine (2 two-stokes placed in a cross, with a double scottish yoke driving the shaft).
mircea_popescu: and the whole scam of "well they will listen if we run in front of them and try to guess which way they're headed and pretend to be pointing exactly that way ourselfes first so there nyah!" only goes so far. eventually they start going really stupid ways, such as.
mircea_popescu: that the niggers won't listen to usg is one thing - they get the TB treatment (body reaction to koch's bacile is to build walls, literally of calcar, around bacile ghettos in the lungs). who cares, 10% of the pop and concentrated in the poor south / poor urban areas. but by now the hippies don't listen either ? young whites ? that's becoming dangerous.
mircea_popescu: it's very strictly speaking a transfer of raw, unadulterated power from the bureaucrats to random anonymous gurus and other populist figures. that trump stole hillary's cake is one thing ; but that the ability of usg department to dictate discrete behaviour in regards to whatever topic is decaying because the ability of joe videoblogger's ability to dictate same is increasing... now that smarts.
mircea_popescu: in the end, through whatever means, they do the same thing, and the problem is slowly growing and getting noticed. just another one of the countless and uncountable ways in which the us becomes ungovernable for the usg.
BingoBoingo: Lots of regional variation there
mircea_popescu: except the suburban houses keep getting torn down to make room for higher density rats' nests.
BingoBoingo: AHA, either that or they form "nuclear" family in suburban house populated by "family" of 5 unrealted dudes.
mircea_popescu: hence all the lice syphilis etcetera.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you've seen how the "aware", couch-surfing, backpacking, burning-manning redditard lives, but it is most reminescent of the warsaw ghetto cca 1916.
mircea_popescu: the whole "downshifting" subculture is headed for a serious collision with the bureaucratic tradition. from the etsy "textile creator" and "vintage" "reclaimer" all the way to lazy bums generally there's this entire "we don't need no exit paths wtf are fire extinguishers 50 to the room is good man because we can't just walk up to a girl and tell her to strip and dance". serious fire hazard to say the least.
mircea_popescu: dude, isn't 40 the kil lcount of that florida gay club dude ?
ben_vulpes: the wanting to /be/ a horse only sticks until girly figures out what kind of 1500 cc vibrator her parents strap her to after school
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/officials-fear-oakland-dance-party-toll-could-reach/article_599e86f8-53fb-5719-b455-da92edc9db87.html << "Officials said people either escaped from the cluttered building or died inside, where the only way down from the second story was via a stairwell constructed entirely of wooden pallets."
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i suspect it's more of the same "i want to want something i can't get because i want to want". horses and dogs more accessible, but horses are very much a showoff thing and dogs well... the afficionados tend to keep it quiet and get rammed often.
mircea_popescu: myeah, that's pretty much the selection criteria.
ben_vulpes: whales still satisfy the need to help without the time-reactivity that would show results of 'helping'
mircea_popescu: actually dolphins seem to be the #1 zoophiliac fantasy in females.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but how they react to different camps can signal whether they are fat aspie ideologue or pliable 4evar-alone lashing out for social approval
mircea_popescu: or wait, the dolphins are no longer fashionable i guess ? what is it now, whales ? or too shitlordy ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes as opposed to bycicling, because car pooling is not enough. omygerd you are killing the planet and dolphins.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo male "feminist" seems to be without exception fat dork trying to value signal, either because stuck in friend zone or because stuck in forever alone.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : the "complete record" of an unicode symbol is... 102 entries. most of which are boolean, and most of which are entirely haphazard randomness such as "soft dotted ?" and "expands on NFD" etc.
BingoBoingo: The feminist divisions also serve as useful sorting fabric for how beta is your male feminist.
mircea_popescu: then there's the group that thinks procreation === driving to work ; and the mommy blogger types. then there's...
BingoBoingo: Why is Apple pie American when Apples are other?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes even that is two different heads attached to an improbable ettin. there's the slut-feminists, who love the cock and want to basically be the slaves of men they choose ; and the lesbian-feminists (usually abused teens that never got over it) that hate the cock and don't want cocks to exist but insist on stuffing their vagina with you know, rubber dolphins and etc.
ben_vulpes: relatedly, there are interesting fault lines at work in the left: anti-sex activists masquerading as feminists (see the CoC mentioning "sexualized language") vs the rad-fems who are cooking a whole pile of wtf for the left's pet "feminists" on the topic of "but i love cock and babies and mothering and what precisely is wrong with that and no you chicks with dicks can't come to my moon party"
ben_vulpes: heh, today i learned the unitards are so fully vested in the anti-sex brigade that U+1F346 or ðif my client doesn't mangle it, goes by the name of /aubergine/
mircea_popescu: i still think fsql is the way to go.
ben_vulpes: that's the one
ben_vulpes: once the sqlization is complete it'll have the smarts to only reload the blocks that actually reorg'd out from underneath it.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: not particularly robustly, at the moment. when the log-follower observes a line containing REORGANIZE, it re-dumps from the head of the chain back 20 blocks
mircea_popescu: they're always cute, "oh, someone thinks we're retarded ?!? HOW COULD THIS BE!"
mircea_popescu: yeah, arresting all the dudes women bitch about is going to result in a very cheap way to cut down on complaints once teh muslims move in.
BingoBoingo: "The idea for these arrests came from something called the Minneapolis Police Experiment (MPE) of 1981-82. In the experiment police offices were given pads with one of three words written on them... The results show counseling resulted in a future assault in 24% cases, send was 19%, and the arrest option resulted in a future assault in only 10% of the cases. Perhaps a cheap way of cutting down future domestic violence."
BingoBoingo: Holliday cheer http://freekeene.com/2011/06/16/thomas-james-ball-self-immolated-in-protest-of-the-justice-system/
a111: Logged on 2016-12-03 21:36 mircea_popescu: well, pick up the V tree and submit a patch ; ben_vulpes is already running http://cascadianhacker.com/update-mimisbrunnr-last-block-received on the trb infrastructure.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-03 23:35 mircea_popescu: 2nd generation immigrant, sold edonkey to barnes&noble, sold okcupid to iac, will sell his highschool sweetheart if it comes to that or no more starbucks.
asciilifeform: neither ~quite~ ready for battlefield, but nearly there, picked it up again after goat properly fucked
a111: Logged on 2016-12-03 23:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-06#1515745 << we've completed tests and confirmed we can actually link ada code. i'm thinking, prolly the best way is to make an official and definitive tmsr-rsa ~in ada~ as a v root ? or hows's your general numeric thing coming along and more importantly what's it written in ?
mircea_popescu: 2nd generation immigrant, sold edonkey to barnes&noble, sold okcupid to iac, will sell his highschool sweetheart if it comes to that or no more starbucks.
mircea_popescu: jwzs and other just wanted tos, sam yagan (the edonkey guy who then make okcupid and who then engaged in that ridoinculous publicity stunt over eich's donating 1k to some dudes campaigning against gay marriage in california) is as fine an example as it gets.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-06#1515745 << we've completed tests and confirmed we can actually link ada code. i'm thinking, prolly the best way is to make an official and definitive tmsr-rsa ~in ada~ as a v root ? or hows's your general numeric thing coming along and more importantly what's it written in ?
mircea_popescu: speaking of which - who's going to do the "all republican things 2016 retrospective" ?
mircea_popescu: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2016/12/01/state-of-mozilla-2015-annual-report/ << one year late, absolutely nothing worth the mention in there, plenty of things worth the noose.
mircea_popescu: or alternatively read the various discussions in the log and mailing list re trb reform.
mircea_popescu: well, pick up the V tree and submit a patch ; ben_vulpes is already running http://cascadianhacker.com/update-mimisbrunnr-last-block-received on the trb infrastructure.
mircea_popescu: generally the question you want to answer is "is this tx included in this block". with a hash tree that is log N, with a hash list that is N proportional.
nick_name: why we should spot the problem?
mircea_popescu: merkle tree allows you to spot the problem.
mircea_popescu used to have a landline thing installed for the same purpose.
asciilifeform: ^ if anyone knows of another - plz post...
asciilifeform: (a classical 'dumbphone', matchbox-sized thing, with actual buttons and --- strangely alone in ENTIRE class of dumbphone other than it - whitelist ringer)
asciilifeform: in not quite related noose, asciilifeform took his brother to a phone shop to activate a very vintage 'krazor', and the clerks all wished to know where they can also get one...
asciilifeform: at any rate, that era is as far removed from asciilifeform's lived experience as the glory-of-rome
mircea_popescu: i mean, the turks fucking had an idle class of ethnic greeks living in fanar for 3+ centuries, exactly mappable to any modern understanding of bureaucracy. nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: and bbs-es existed. of course they existed. but there was a significant change about the time it also happened in the su.
mircea_popescu: this last thing would be the "different era", ie, before mass literacy filled the desks with cowboys.
mircea_popescu: before the "digg revolution" which subsists today in derpy wanan-be incantations like 9gag, reddit etc, and before the great "internet revolution" of aol shitting all voer the place, there was another substantially identical "revolution", where pointless college degrees started sitting pointessly in offices cca 1970 and creating "office life". but BEFORE all that scum and rot, most dumb kids were farmers, and smart kids were
asciilifeform: sadly these were people of a lost era, where there were not only actual brains around, but massive surplus wealth from the great monopolists like bell
mircea_popescu: iirc he did some academia in the 70s, but mostly management consultancy.
mircea_popescu: the 1960s one
mircea_popescu knew of guy for being one of the xerox management involved in parc.
mats: the least you could is ... help desk? c'mon
asciilifeform: go while the planes are running, mats.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fancy this - paul niquette is wikinotable enough to - figure in the article on tukey and no more.
mats: i got the option of fleeing to .cn, this fantastical train of thought isn't really for my benefit
mats: he plans to die face down in the swamp
mircea_popescu: poor thems!
asciilifeform: usachwitz never historically worked by removing passports from inmates (though, in BingoBoingo's case...) but rather by mutilating folx to make'em unfit for life outside
mircea_popescu: well maybe the aliens will pay for it!
mats: i don't, and i'm still struggling with the idea of abandoning everything and everyone i know to an uncertain fate
asciilifeform: btw if mats knows a useful skill to live off in the free world, wtf is he still doing in usascwitz today!
asciilifeform: iirc they were meatwot placements
mircea_popescu: and re diamond train : the historical item worked as such : that a coupla dozen businessmen paid for all of it, and then there were 5x that many people who didn't pay a dime that also went with it.
mircea_popescu: plenty of jews moved in the 30s.
asciilifeform: they were not going penniless to jungles.
mats: (no, i'm not familiar with why jews didn't move there)
mats: how does it compare with nazis moving to south america in the 50s?
mats: i picture the fund covering the cost of pilot, plane, fuel, hasty emergency runway construction, and minimal perimeter security
trinque: gotta establish business in another place well before you leave if you don't want to be a refugee
asciilifeform: whereas price of 'diamond train' ticket is guaranteed to be 'all you got, and then some moar' at best
a111: Logged on 2016-12-03 20:21 mats: i was thinking the americans in #t should pool an emergency airlift fund
mats: as if there aren't enough manpads in syria as it is
asciilifeform: the correct ru response would be to supply "стрела" rockets to montana militias
mats: http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/02/middleeast/iraq-mosul-battle-isis << in other news, coalition death toll stands at 2k, civilian losses about the same
mircea_popescu: why, to encourage the "i just wanted" folk to rely on it ?
mats: as there appears to be so much consensus about us collapse
mats: i was thinking the americans in #t should pool an emergency airlift fund
mircea_popescu: in continuing lulz, "Advanced Patent Technologies, Las Vegas, NV. 1978 1981, Consultant, Business Development. Mr. Niquette marketed a patent portfolio and managed the launching of startups in diverse industries, including video animation and special effects, dental instruments, and advanced engine designs for public transportation vehicles and farm machinery." << check it out, someone did start-ups before graham ?!?!? HE
mircea_popescu: lowest productivity of the ship in the ship's recent history, apparently overliteracy mimics illiteracy quite well, we're well pre-1700 levels back here.
mircea_popescu: let it also be noted that 1 billiard is the usg bezzle-gdp for about 80 years, and it becomes rather evident : nothing the shitstains of today can do could even conceivably come to matter.
mircea_popescu: let's play a little with numbers since we're reading this guy. so : " Silicon Valley Rapid Transit Project (SVRT) a $5 billion design-build project for a 16-mile extension of the Bay Area Rapid Transit District (BART) with six stations" (from http://www.niquette.com/paul/access/resume.html ). now then : total track in world is ~2 1/4 mn km. using "global warming" "scientific" best practices, we conclude that a 1 billiard inve
mircea_popescu: this guy. calling 'software engineering' 'computer science' is tantamount to calling 'mechanical engineering' 'automobile science.' and the 'debugger,' is a misnomer tantamount to calling a 'magnifying glass' an 'insecticide.'
mircea_popescu: "BTW - what was that game withe gnome, the guy and the girl who were fighting against creatures and you could cast magic too?" << guaranteed to be golden axe.
shinohai: Looks like the tub-of-lard should be spending weekend at the gym, but what do I know: http://archive.is/KB7XS
asciilifeform: there were comments?!
mircea_popescu reads the comments on alf's vectored sigs piece, is thoroughly confused
asciilifeform: in other ooooldz, http://www.oswego.edu/~baloglou/misc/index.html << every once in a long while i find one of these, uncle al - style fossils from when www was as a whole worth something
mircea_popescu: lol. such bidniss sense in these people. let 'em enjoy.
mircea_popescu: so you replace the "coin age" convention with the "captcha on website" convention, they're both the same sort of nonsense, trying to aprpoximate "real people" in machine language.
shinohai: This is on of the "Bitcoin Unlimited" pools. They have "Bigger Blocks" so they can handle it xD
mircea_popescu: their idea i mean. "allow humans who give a shit to signal this to the network ; and allow their txn go first"
shinohai: I'm tempted to blow a few bitcents spamming the shit out of this: https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/
mircea_popescu: btw since http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545 was mentioned again, it must be said : "Not only are there times when one would like to seal a payload with a caveat of one kind or another, but presently we have no means of conveying disapproval other than by refraining from sealing. The latter act conveys very little useful information, and no permanent sealed record remains of the effort taken to actually understand the patch.
mircea_popescu: as far as taming computors, there's the most serene republic, and then there's the everyone else.
mircea_popescu: there are teams with better history, because linux or whatever. i wouldn't however bet on the theory there are better teams altogether. and no, "secret meta-nsa" doesn't get to dent this discussion. because clinton lost.
mircea_popescu: never existed, even if you count bbses / webforums, the whole tree.
shinohai: I know of no other chan with such useful bots as this one has.
shinohai: To quote mircea_popescu " the irc festivities are moving over to #trilema ; with a more selective lordship list and improved tools all around. " I think the improved tools have indeed materialized.
thestringpuller: UK "banned" end to end encryption with Investigory Powers Act of 2016. I think it basically says companies in UK have to put back doors in their shit or they are "non-compliant", thus making end-2-end encryption illegal. Effects Blockchain.info users (who operates in UK). Takes effect 2017...
mircea_popescu: kinda gives a useful estimation of the total value of the whole rest of the ecosystem, i guess.
mircea_popescu: but i lolled at the dry "a very long depreciation schedule, possibly inexcess of five years".
a111: Logged on 2016-12-03 04:35 mod6: you are backing us away from "number of seconds from 'midnight' of rsacalypse" one step at a time. first lamport, then FUCKGOATS, each step helps.
asciilifeform: did they put the d00d who was picked up for 'child pr0n' the day he demonstrated the glock-on-quadcopter ?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : supermax prison in colorado holds among the child eaters &c a 70yo gent who for some reason plead guilty to "being a cuban agent for 30 years", two years after retiring from his job and three years after saying that the us-uk "special relationship" is a joke on the us side.
mod6: you are backing us away from "number of seconds from 'midnight' of rsacalypse" one step at a time. first lamport, then FUCKGOATS, each step helps.
mod6: then it does verify.
mod6: asciilifeform: your sig verifies, mine does not, unless you remove the '- ' infront of the '------' lines
mod6: fair enough, i can just throw in another i suppose.
mod6: ah, shit. i guess i agree. maybe I should have put a line in the top of that thing.
mircea_popescu: you know it's not a bad idea ot have recitals for these things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in my mind this drove the reaction of alt-rsa in eulora, for instance.
asciilifeform: i delved into subj seriously for first time after the close call in august
mod6: It's weight of responsibility of protecting yet another key, or the possibility of being locked out of heaven.
mircea_popescu: well yes, the advantage being you don't have to know aforehand what you intend to use
mircea_popescu: as far as you know... "the implications" go.
asciilifeform: mod6: the parachute isn't risk-free, if you hid it somewhere where enemy may turn it up, it can be worse than useless
mod6: I like what it does, and it seems to make sense in the case where I might need this one single time. To prevent against cryptographic death, I can generate this key pair, sign it with my PGP key, and then send a one time message of my new PGP key fp to save me from hitting the ground.
asciilifeform: or, alternatively, a much easier sha1 collision, in which case i only fool ~all extant gpg clients~ but not a d00d with magnifying glass actually multiplying out the rsa
mod6: since it's confession time: I read asciilifeform's post probably 5 times total. Following through all of the steps at least 2x to get the hang of what was going on there, and reviewing the code.
mod6: i beleive that mentally, when you read a rating, you grok this text on some level, which invokes some type of response. i can be ignored, sure, but it happened never the less.
mircea_popescu: more generally, maybe he's confused, maybe he's unhinged, maybe he's an asshole, but there's no bright mind promise in there.
asciilifeform: maybe he just like folx without a's or 6's in their name.
mircea_popescu: suppose what's his face with the blog shows up, +rates koch and that other idiot, and -rates you and mod6
a111: Logged on 2016-12-03 03:40 mod6: especially when my transcation happened before his other "scammy" dealings
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-03#1577137 << evaluating people based on their ~ratings~ is imho 'coarse error in pilotage'
mircea_popescu: but re the whole "each pope gets fisherman ring - and it is destroyed on death" alf concern - yes, having one's privkeys destroyed properly is pretty much the only worldly charge of men.
mircea_popescu: yeah, there's gonna be a bit of overlap/restating agreement as i go through the whole pile. sorry bout the department of redundancy department.
mod6: Yah, and then should I need it, I can use the lamport priv key to send a message "hey, it's mod6. my new pgpkey fp is: ABCDEF1234567890..."
asciilifeform: mod6: seems like the thing to do , neh ?
mod6: I should clearsign the pubkey with my pgp-pubkey and deedbot this, aha?
mod6: So, changing subjects for a minute... I have these lamport battle-ready pub/priv keys made.
trinque: point was that there was permanent history in logs, ephemerality in ratings, but we've since discussed that distinction at length.
mircea_popescu: so the whole scheme fails correctly.
mircea_popescu: if you stop showing up, and some other dude for some reason ends up with your nick, such as through asking freenode for it say, he won't be able to voice himself - which encourages him to get a "fresh" nick.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 21:31 trinque: something else comes to mind; there exists in our logs a person named trinque who is not the present trinque
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576781 << actually, it IS the present trinque, and must be. in order to voice itself, the guy named trinque must talk to deedbot, and reply with the right challenge. so yes we forced the shitty freenode name system into a very strong thing.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 21:05 asciilifeform: but picture , for instance, if phuctor bot rated keys that were phuctored, in the moment of.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576753 << this is not altogether a bad idea, except of course for the fact that the derps aren't in the wot.
mod6: I agree there too. When you sign a vpatch, you're saying, "I, have read (or wrote) this, and I place my seal upon it as it is correct and right." Not, "mod6 wrote this thing, I rate him a '+1 Cool Guy' for effort."
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576727 << no, actually it isn't. the signed V element is actually a deed ; it gets maintained by an alternative mechanism than the deeds because we're still working with all this shit and trying to figure it out. but fundamentally, it is a deed not a rating.
mircea_popescu: and of course there's the case of pirate, which hanbot actually analysed at length on the forum years ago, in retort to some idiot going "o see, the wot doesn't work, pirate had high rating"
mod6: especially when my transcation happened before his other "scammy" dealings
mircea_popescu: there's the case of aethero, perhaps the best illustration of this. guy had a top 10 rating by any abstract measurement, lots of ratings from many people.