mircea_popescu: what exactly is the cost of failure ? is it some sort of "oh, i can't go talk to the girl in the bar" sort of crazy ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am ill-equipped to describe it. but presumably there is a reason mircea_popescu has a harem, and not a human chick-sized 'cat door' to let in whoever.
Framedragger: http://shivankaul.com/blog/2016/12/07/clean-your-desk-yet-another-amazon-interview-experience.html
mircea_popescu: nope. and what is the cost of failure ?
asciilifeform: as soon as the cost of failure is >0, selection becomes a thing -- does mircea_popescu not carefully select harem ?
mircea_popescu: the point is, that "i would suck at fucking dudes" is a very poor excuse and entirely rotten pillar of identity.
mircea_popescu: it's not like preference's forbidden or anything. i'm sure i'd be great at fucking dudes, too, i never fucked any nevertheless.
asciilifeform: gymnasts may not be perfect example. when you have a role where the training per se is costly, you're stuck picking. e.g., pilots; i recently read a quite interesting autobio, 'Обречены на подвиг' ('condemned to heroism', roughly) by su flying d00d / instructor / colonel. described how children having any physical imperfection, even tooth cavity, were mercilessly rejected from flight academy even if they passed all of
mircea_popescu: now THAT easy-seeking habituation is what the hot irons are used for.
mircea_popescu: and no, i have no argument - it is EASIER to think of yourself as "i am good at x" raqther than "brain works or doesn't work."
mircea_popescu: the "nfl picks" usian system seemed very alien, and quite frankly wasteful, to the general mind. "americans will never amount to anything in sports" therefore.
mircea_popescu: there was entirely no "picking" in romania, the romania that produced the first full 10 olympic gymnasts. hundreds of thousands of kids ran into thousands of pe teachers who very pointedly "body works to it - now make it work to jump!"
mircea_popescu: laugh, but they very pointedly picked former approach.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu surely was involved in some form of sport, at one time. or knew folks who were. did trainers take the approach 'either body works, or doesn't' ? or did they pick childrenz with the right body type for the contest
trinque: and that a brain works does not mean that the requisite information for a particular has yet been jammed in.
asciilifeform: if 'there is no good-at' and can train-anybody-to-anything with sufficient application of hot irons
mircea_popescu: i also didn't see meat airplane borne out of the soviet maternity circuit. this proves something ?
mircea_popescu: either your brain works or doesn't. if it does, you can use it for all brain things, much like either your cunt works or doesn't, and if it does it does for all dicks.
mircea_popescu: and i am entirely unconvinced by this "good at x" bs. nobody's "good at x". the "good at x" is nonsense of the ilk and period of "blind love", to try and help the wedge of who-equivalency into the trunk of reality.
asciilifeform: (exiles from other muds..?)
asciilifeform: but so far looks to me as if it mostly attracts folk who are good at playing eulora, rather than generalists spilling over into the kinds of projects in motion here.
mircea_popescu: still, the question was "how who" not "how non-who". that your milk contains fat and water is not a valid objection to "how do you get fat from the cow ?" "you milk it"
asciilifeform: this may be, but i could not tell that this is so by the backflow from #e into #t
mircea_popescu: rather similar actually!
asciilifeform: well yes, but how didja dig him out of the ground
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 14:44 mircea_popescu has the pleasure to introduce EDLionX , who's chinese, lives in brunei and looks altogether like a great kid (though he isn't a kid!)
mircea_popescu: (arguably this is also in the past - not like i'm actually forbidding redditards to reddit, even as i am squeezing the cream from the thing)
mircea_popescu: nobody is going to forbid modernism. they who wish to feel equal will have a place where this is how things works.
mircea_popescu: (o look! the separation of the fat from the water in the sense of leaving the who-equivalent modernists behind in the gutter is actually quite the viscerally ferocious thing!)
asciilifeform: afaik we still dun have a tech for producing ubermenschen other than by keeping massive herd of 'average human' around somewhere
mircea_popescu: which reduces to and is in fact equivalent with the "no economic future for average human" above, and with the "there's nothing one can do on the simple basis of being one" even further above.
mircea_popescu: anyway - the original point was how the environment changed, and modernism is strictly no longer possible because exogenous reasons, not opened to consensusing electoralizing etc.
mircea_popescu: once that becomes old, they'll become dead, in a very starved and cold sense of the term.
asciilifeform: 'robocalypse' is a when, not if, yes, but there are certain obstacles (mainly reducing to 'software sucks', and even 'we don't quite have computer yet')
mircea_popescu: for as long as we still feel like entertaining ourselves by providing them with food and board, the derpage will last. and they'll "put women back into history at the call of bbc wikipedia.
mircea_popescu: sure, but tell you what : the headaches of managing herd would be a lot closer in your mind had you i dunno, been a mcdonalds manager in your late teens.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at no point in my head for this thread was 'tuna can', but the headaches of fairly standard industrial robot process over which i presided some years ago
mircea_popescu: do you know how many longshoremen work for amazon ? o wait ... the name is entirely antiquated.
asciilifeform: actually there ~is~ , lol
mircea_popescu: yes, there isn't a beep-boop thing going around your livingroom. but it might as well be - the warehouse is entirely robotized ; the production line mostly ; etcetera. even driving is going away.
mircea_popescu: heh. laugh all you want, and take refuge in 1970s artworks if you will - but the fact remains that if you buy planks you buy planks but if you buy ikea you buy robotized planks.
mircea_popescu: ie - the visually driven notion of "robot" as "anthropomorphised tuna can" is not particularly useful in a discussion of economics and robots.
mircea_popescu: "robots" does not strictly mean r2d2. entirely automated process chain is also a robot in this sense, even if perhaps a meta-robot for they preoccupied with the physicality of things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, plumbing mostly comes as part of the prefab components of construction nowadays. is not separate thing.
mircea_popescu: i've not decorated any robots either.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from whence then comes this 'nothing to do' ??
mircea_popescu: with the exception of tmsr, there is NO PLACE in this world which sticks to the modern tradition of, "random bozo walks in, is given a job"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no ; because modernism hadn't ended yet. but the chick herself - if she weren't twerking she'd be on reddit . there is literally NOTHING for her to do.
mircea_popescu: (kinda yet another angle of why the great again is so lulzy - what, economic trends will reverse by election ?)
asciilifeform: take mircea_popescu's proverbial 'twerk chick'. her grandmother - was idle ?
mircea_popescu: the welfarization creates nothing. it is the maggot on the corpse of postmodern industry.
mircea_popescu: i suspect i might've talked to more industrial robots folks than you have over our respective careers, but be that as it may, the trend is towards not away job destruction.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-05 16:09 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-04#1577534 << the petrol engine is not well impedance-matched with anything, even auto wheels on asphalt ! hence the 'hybrids' thing
mircea_popescu: there are a number of reasons for this. 1. robots eat electricity ; humans eat a sort of oil derivate ; see http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577962 ; 2. robots are an industrial product, this costs ~nothing while "well brainwashed humans" are the equivalent of a "well behaved wife". tell you what, here's a half billion girlies in your "civilised world", you have a week to find a wife. let me know what you spent.
asciilifeform: otherwise we 'had cheap robots' in 1850, cotton mill
asciilifeform: you gotta take the ~hardest~-to-roboticize industrial processes as the basis for comparison, not the ~easiest~;
mircea_popescu: they aren't.
asciilifeform: (egyptian, rather than ponzi, pyramid)
mircea_popescu: the Floating Littoral Embarassment is very much the symbolic product of "technology by modernist means in postmodernist times"
mircea_popescu: back in 1616 there was a "do something - anything". today that results in github.
mircea_popescu: except there is no "work" in the abstract, as a byproduct of anti-idlehandsaredevilswork. not anymore.
asciilifeform: there are not so many ways to make folks work.
asciilifeform: re 'cheap protestant tricks', and also in re 'argentinians who sit in chair and won't work', a good chunk of the weirdo mass-programming the protestants have been doing for 200+ yrs is precisely to 'make'em work'
asciilifeform: iron, turns out, is not such a handy 'iq test', plenty of folx passed the iron exam and failed everything else.
mircea_popescu: (the discussion of all this, for the curious, is probably best started with the trilema on the mind's compartments, http://trilema.com/2014/the-bicameral-world-in-one-room-the-city-dump-in-the-other-room-the-starred-restaurant-do-these-talk-to-each-other-read-on-to-find-out/ (
asciilifeform: just stuck there.
mircea_popescu: it's just "the stone age".
mircea_popescu: the belgian woman from before. "blind" as in, no who just what. a modernist unicorn.
asciilifeform: and fundamental myth of pygmistan is that magical horn (today replaced with drainpipe, they forgot how to carve wood) that talks to the dead
mircea_popescu: fundamental myth of english modernism is "blind love", which, if you'll notice, is at the time of its introduction a very cheap trick very much in the manner of protestantism ; and also a mythical beast :
asciilifeform: or did the horse ?
asciilifeform: did the sword 'care' whether knight came from 10 or 40 generations of pure-blooded norman ?
mircea_popescu: and this is what all the unicode wastage is : they, the lost souls of a dead world, are trying to make computers more like cotton ginnies. more inclusive, more capable to work with a modernist perspective, where who dun matter and what is considered.
mircea_popescu: whereas most computing jobs require identity in terms entirely impossible in the brief modernist interlude. what cares the cotton ginny whether you are white or black skinned ?
mircea_popescu: most computing jobs are unspecifiable in the terms most industrial jobs of the brief modernist interlude were specifiable.
mircea_popescu: in short, in the entirety of the observable universe, we are reverting to traditionalist systems, approaches and altogether a reality.
mircea_popescu: see, when I hire diana_coman to do dev work for eulora, OF FUCKING COURSE she gets to redefine the job on the basis of the title. because before she got it she hadn't seen the code, and after she had, for instance. or for any other reason.
mircea_popescu: aha. HOWEVER - which is why i bring all this up - the reversal is fucking evident here too.
asciilifeform: modify, perhaps, for modern world, 'work stands still, but the paycheque still approaches')
asciilifeform: ('work stands still, but the [prison] sentence still moving!')
mircea_popescu: which is exactly why simple minded folks in third countries such as argentina etc display the strange behaviour where they don't wish to actually work, first discussed in the article about whores
mircea_popescu: nce he gets it, once he IS the job title, then of course he finds himself in a more elevated position, which should mean by his logic that he gets to renegotiate and eliminate some of the burdens.
mircea_popescu: getting back to the modern/traditional thing : there's a very visible and practically relevant distinction in trade. when i hire a modernist, i hire him to do a job, and i expect him to do a job. but when i hire a traditionalist, i am essentially assigning office. and as it is LOGICAL in that context, he may agree to any "job" specification ie burdens on the title before he gets it, while all he IS is humble applicant ; but o
mircea_popescu: no, my idea simply was "explore all the trees for my convenience".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no, it wasn't even that they played 'blitz', but ~memorized game~
mircea_popescu: just because i can't keep up with the horse doesn't mean it won't get its exercise. we have mechanics!
asciilifeform: not as such. though mircea_popescu's asian rituals and 'no optionality' thread reminds me of the infamous 'castle tournaments' in jp, where go players would rehearse same game dozens of times in advance
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so if i give you a lined mat and a pile of all black tiles you thereby "still have a game of go" ?
mircea_popescu: hence the "useful evil minister" strategy deployed in england and france as well as everywhere else - get the guy to do things then behead him.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when my time machine malfunctions and aztec priest eats my heart so that quetzalcoatl will shit the sun back out, it will still be semantic game.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're only semantic games to you ; for they to be games they need the optionality.
asciilifeform: 'mandate of heaven' is about as logically consistent as the proverbial witch-drowning tester
phf: i think i'm being misunderstood. i'm saying that fake-tzars were cases of "emperor asking of you", because both tzar and barin (i.e. immediate supervisor) were seen as fundamental good. peasants consistently and historically allocated blame on various random hangerons. boyars, traders, foreigners, etc. in fact in fake-tzar cases the narrative was consistent "evil boyars have deposed our tzar-father and we won't stand for it"
mircea_popescu: similar to the whole "mandate ofheaven" chinese thing - IS he or ISN'T he the "one true emperor" ; whether his being anything in particular matters with regards to "his job" ie, what he has to do is not discussed. even the notion that emperorhood is a job is nonsensical in context.
mircea_popescu: and the fake ivans etc are not exactly attacks on the tsar ; they're just a discussion of identity , not actually a modernisation proposal.
asciilifeform: reverse, rather
mircea_popescu: phf you did ; nevertheless - in the case of those runaways who were discovered in the 60s after however many centuries of absence, what figured greatly was that a) the tsar is good and b) that woe on random anon merchant for refusing to donate a quarter ton of potatoes to the cause.
mircea_popescu: this "what care i" is very much a proposal to modulate behaviour ; whereas this active diatesis is not there contemplated.
mircea_popescu: socialist] state as a persuasive and credible justification for the need to rebalance administratively imbalances induced administratively. same exact problems psychology resolves."
mircea_popescu: fuck i love this article. "Deci, ce probleme rezolva ecologia ? Niciunele. Ecologia se bucura insa de sprijinul institutional al statului ca justificare persuasiva si credibila a nevoii de-a reechilibra administrativ dezechilibre economice induse administrativ. Tot aceleasi probleme pe care le rezolva si psihologia," -> "So, what problems does ecology resolve ? No problems. Ecology simply enjoys institutional support of the [
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would cunt lubricate to ease penile intromission ?
mircea_popescu: because the emperor is ; in traditionalist societies existence is predicated on existence.
asciilifeform: but, why the fuck would anyone donate family gold to prop up emperor's golden toilet
asciilifeform: i can actually see the tank;
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re ^ and the part where the asian folk donated jewelry to motherland's central bank , quite reminiscent of the 'old woman who bought t-34 tank and named it after stalin and her five dead sons' recurring item in ww2
mircea_popescu: sadly that's about the extent of my recollection ;/
mircea_popescu: there was some badly translated "proceeds of miner conference" sometime earlier this year
mircea_popescu is too lazy to edit the bash above, but anyway
asciilifeform: but it only makes sense to do this to popped boxes, Framedragger's ssh scan requires just 1 SYN, but these other things - 10,001 times moar
diana_coman: but I don't expect it really changed all that much either
diana_coman: clearly, yes; tbh I had this uneasy feeling of totally back to the 80's when I went to Belarus some ...hm, 7 years ago already
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the things to scan, that very often are found: 80 (http), 443 (ssl), and if either found, the page; if ssl -- the cert id strings (see l0gz for how) , and lastly, ftp (yes, believe or now) and telnet greetings.
mircea_popescu: including the fucking machined rug. everything.
diana_coman: bwahahhaa; when we were made pioneers we had this picture by the flag thing
mircea_popescu: that ssd 3 hui gate is not bad either.
mircea_popescu: afaik the phuctor list is like 1k or so ips by now no ?
Framedragger: i guess i should rerun the scanner at some point at any rate
Framedragger: the particular scanner used for extracting pubkeys is not meant for that kind of stuff, but.. the first phase thing ("check who's alive") can grab banners, yeah.. would require fiddling (connections would become stateful, right now first phase uses 'SYN cookies') but ya sure possible
mircea_popescu: Framedragger really, shouldn't just run the scan on port 80 ?
Framedragger: hmm, a rather visual answer, fair nuff :p well, glory awaits someone!
mircea_popescu: Framedragger he's an english/math teacher not a coder from what i gather.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've run into quite a few of these
a111: Logged on 2016-11-29 16:50 asciilifeform: anyway, i have neither the time (presently grunting out a much-delayed and urgent item) nor inclination to do the entire backlog (what, 800 of these?! by now) by hand.
Framedragger: EDLionX: there's a bunch of boxes with factored ssh keys, would be great for someone to go through them and check what webserver crap they're running... http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574580 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574597 if interested, go ahead :p
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://archive.is/rSEYe << whats with all the bs sites that don't work
asciilifeform: in other noose, https://threatpost.com/hackers-gamify-ddos-attacks-with-collaborative-platform/122290/
mircea_popescu: not right now, but occasionally there's news items that get poorly translated to en by idiots
mircea_popescu has the pleasure to introduce EDLionX , who's chinese, lives in brunei and looks altogether like a great kid (though he isn't a kid!)
mircea_popescu: ie, if the govt prints ten times what rbs has and gives it to them, it will improve nothing, just increase the "how much more they need" by a factor of tenish.
Framedragger: random question: have there been considerations for introducing financial instruments to eulora at some point, for trade etc? just curious
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> diana_coman for some reason it decided i'm anonymous lol. <- fixed; weird though, as I can't seem to be able to reproduce whatever the issue was
ben_vulpes: there are only 21 million bitcoin, so if they're that short they may be in a bit of a tight spot
BingoBoingo: It's easy to become powerless over nicotine, but very hard to see how it makes life unmanageable until the end.
ser: an architect. he is dying at the moment
mircea_popescu: mkay, so they use a dozen server and a coupla sql ; grossly misprovisioned networking infrastructure and whatevs. whole setup should be about 50k.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they run a qntra!
asciilifeform: (buncha boxes pxebooting from lan simultaneously, round the clock, for shitware analysis)
mircea_popescu: of course this leads them to buying no less than two cisco 5596UP. that's 25 grand.
asciilifeform: actually i worked once in certain place where we had dozens of 10g portz --- but there was a logical reason
mircea_popescu: i mean the only thing this says is "we suck at system design"
mircea_popescu: they run in circles of their own design and then complain about the results. it's like a scene spitefully drawn by rochester.
mircea_popescu: i'd kinda like to see all these "engineers" (who, as per some random douche working for microsoft, can not be found because most "relevancy engineers" as if that's a thing already work at google) would run phuctor on.
asciilifeform: because mother dropped us when we were small
asciilifeform: hence posted. somewhere there live such people as the author!! what goes on in their heads? 'i am an acorn!!'
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 19:16 mircea_popescu: "mice were found in germany which is a country that once invaded the soviet union where lenin introduced electricity which goes through tubes in which tubes today in england most mices live." "OH NOW IT ALL FALLS INTO PLACE!!!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i read the 'google' link, could think of only http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575868 , unique kunstkammer specimen
mircea_popescu: but it DOES turn out that the upper range of stack exchange hardware is ~50% more ram than phuctor. so... nyah.
mircea_popescu: http://nickcraver.com/blog/2016/03/29/stack-overflow-the-hardware-2016-edition/ << mildly interesting, mostly because unlike ~everyone else in the web game nick carver is literate.
mircea_popescu: which leads us to a new heuristic : the closer the search engine mix on your site is to bing having 20%, the more drool your "userbase" contributes to their immediate environment on a daily basis.
mircea_popescu: but as the man points out - mostr of that reach comes from windows, ie and "strategic partners" a la http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-you-dont-know-or-understand-about-facebook-everything/
mircea_popescu: so according to the dude over at nullspace.io, bing has "20% of market share" according to some apparently public available sources. let's add to that : out of the ~0.9 %~ of trilema traffic that came from a search engine so far this year, 127,291 came from google and 2,666 came from bing.
mircea_popescu: !!rate dan luu -10 unrecoverable imbecile. this rating carries to first order descendants - if you're the offspring of dan luu please kill yourself.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker i want to kill this idiot.
mircea_popescu: and all this at a cost to me of 12mn a year for NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM.
mircea_popescu: he's solved the problems other people might have, on the basis of what he imagines a biologist might do, which is so pointedly not what any biologist ever does you can scarcely begin to wonder what fucking highschool the author frequented, because his mental furniture seems to have diverged from the common trunk somewhere around the age of NEGATIVE THIRTEEN,
mircea_popescu: all about making "other people's" lives better - well! Should anyone claim they failed they can just change the "other people", can't they! The socialist electorate, always and everywhere ein anderes. That enchanted, imaginary public which supports you (from a safe distance) in your quest as you destroy the little you actually have."
mircea_popescu: this is an eminent case of "Yes, yes, I know how it's doublespoken - socialism is not about them making their own lives better. It's all about making "other people's lives" better. Because it's so selfless and "good" and - most importantly! - because it can't be measured. If they dedicated themselves to making their own lives better, there'd be a definitive authority to say when they failed. But if they instead pretend to be
mircea_popescu: verbatim from article : "And others type in what they think of as normal queries for their day-to-day work even if they seem weird to you (e.g., a biologist might query for GTGACCTTGGGCAAGTTACTTAACCTCTCTGTGCCTCAGTTTCCTCATCTGTAAAATGGGGATAATA)." here's that search : https://archive.is/oB6U3
mircea_popescu: motherfucker!
mircea_popescu: holy shit, people can barely type out their name without reaching for a napkin to clear the drool, i'm going to index the 5 billionth prime number as such.
mircea_popescu: really fucker, your engineers that pay for themselves by the score haven't figured out that YOU DO NOT INDEX TERMS LONGER THAN ABOUT A DOZEN CHARACTERS ?
mircea_popescu: ngle shard ; thats more than most people guess well see on the entire internet, and thats just in one shard that happens to contain one somewhat pathological site."
mircea_popescu: and after all that engineering optimization companies care bla bla song and dance ? "So there are definitely more than ten million unique terms on the entire internet! In fact, theres a website out there that has all primes under one trillion. I believe there are something like thirty-seven billion of those. If that website falls into one shard of our index, wed expect to see more than thirty-seven billion terms in a si
mircea_popescu: he also manages to argue both ends at the same time - we apparently both underestimate how many low hanging fruit there are AND at the same time just how high these low hanging fruit actually come. hurr.
mircea_popescu: ex of 1B documents. Then our cost comes down to $12M/yr." << this danluu piece is the most idiotic thing i read all day. what the fuck has "cloud" done to these people that they think a 1bn index cost A MILLION A MONTH holy shit.
mircea_popescu: "What would Lucene at Googles size look like? If we do a naive back of the envelope calculation on what it would take to index a significant fraction of the internet (often estimated to be 1 trillion (T) or 10T documents), we might expect a 1T document index to cost something like $10B1. Thats not a feasible startup, so lets say that instead of trying to index 1T documents, we want to maintain an artisanal search ind
mircea_popescu: apparently the devil pact cleared.
asciilifeform: before this, they only died
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579521 << i must say "probablem" is actually remarkably act for the sort of problems one encounters in the post-determinist software world.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Prolly a bitch to insure with the Giant concrete tanks being attractive nuissance and all. Also demo cost to other buyers would likely suck
asciilifeform: 'cmp', the other co. linked from trinque's old link, has actual PRICES!111 -- http://cmp.imag.fr/IMG/pdf/cmp_prices_schedule_sept-16.pdf
a111: Logged on 2015-09-14 17:54 trinque: mosis.com was the one I found somebody talking about getting a run done for a few k
mircea_popescu: (no, it's not just hussein bahamas. the whole thing is predicated on suckage, exactly the same ~sort~ of suckage.)
mircea_popescu: and then end up surprised by the nobody could have predicted and write nobel-prize literature about it.
mircea_popescu: still, the effects are often funny - you can get most 15 yos to agree that they'll "never turn out like their mothers" or "die before they're old" or such manifestations of the subjective sentiment of bridging.
mircea_popescu: to some degree "society" needs them to for its definition of them to be fulfilled ; to a larger degree the currently fashionable notions of self require them to as well. but anyway - people will lvie everywhere, and historically have.
mircea_popescu: just, this knowledge of the cunt is amply repressed in most cases.
mircea_popescu: this is not the matter. most girls understand, somewhere deep down, that if i come in and grab them by the hair and drag them to their cell they will at the very least love the child they conceive, and eventually learn to live the cell.
asciilifeform: and that it'll have 0 to do with 'self-concept' they had
asciilifeform: even laziest, most 'comfortable' folx, still understand that the next day piano could fall, bus -- run over, etc. neh ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform certainly. but the fact is that most ww2 combatants did not fight at home ; or in their neighbourhood ; or even city. except perhaps it could be argued for the fins.
mircea_popescu: in short, your at ease notion of you and the actual perceptible, historical fact of you are very tenuously bridged, and that bridge is especially dependent on the "at ease" part.
asciilifeform: folx who get set on fire probably also do not particularly think much of the joys of being on fire...
mircea_popescu: ~everyone involved in ww2 thought ww2 is a stupid idea, for that matter. all the better for them!
mircea_popescu: what, you think people fought in us civil war without their scruples ? the body went ; the scruples - nobody asked anything.
mircea_popescu: so in short, i don't even mean that it's inevitable with you or without you. it's inevitable with or without your mental constructs. the body will follow.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 00:55 phf: not sure how reversion follows though. it's easy to run away into the forest, because it's completely meaningless. but running away into tradition is equivalent to death (per older thread). "destruction of known universe"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579497 << you think as what you are. to first generation in shoes country girl, going back to the village so all the other girls could feel equal to her was "death" in exactly the same sense, and she'd suck a truck through a cocktail straw to avoid it. here she is : http://trilema.com/2011/deci-de-revelion-acum-niste-ani/
mircea_popescu: old people are notoriously bad at this, go through the world a living zoological museum, collection of numerous fungi and no copulation.
mircea_popescu: usually, it doesn't work. it is certainly a thinking man's coming of age, when he finally develops a skin : that keeps this sort of bacteria at bay, and that still allows copulation with the other humans.
mircea_popescu: these dudes tried to "leverage" whatever they could think of to "achieve network effects" and bla bla.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 14:17 mircea_popescu: anyway, the way "tech" works in the us aka sv is very simply : get the "hipster ass rorbros" on the wagon, then sell them out later for mass market.
mircea_popescu: you gotta understand how the fiat "creative" scam works. like this : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579011
mircea_popescu: the airbnb scammers originally "promoted" it by plastering "handmade comics/ezine" on cheap whitelabel cereal boxes.
asciilifeform: i confess! that i had only the foggiest notion of what it was
asciilifeform: beats the shit out of old roach motel or what is that.
BingoBoingo: In other real estate for alf tastes http://commercial.century21.com/listing/1308-main-carbondale-il-62901-REN026859036
mircea_popescu: so it's not a matter of reversal. it's a matter that the practical structures of reality favour a certain equivalency class over the other.
mircea_popescu: anyone can make "a prediction" (what=equivalent) but it really matters WHO makes it, as per the pro idiotas article.
mircea_popescu: the major problem of contemporaneous, post-modern, post-structuralist whatever world is that the practical equivalency class is the what, not the who. such as for instance : as long as the product is a web app, you know what shit it will be and all you care about is WHO. which is why we have the entire who structure of code inheritance, much to the chagrin of the "oh noes, wasn't invented here syndrome" belated modernists.
mircea_popescu: in belgium "but i am her husband" is no defense, but on the contrary, scandalous ; and in brunei "but i fucked her right" is no defense, but on the contrary, scandalous.
mircea_popescu: excess is actually repressed : for instance the husband that fails to what correctly in belgium goes to jail ; much like the lover that fails to who correctly in brunei.
mircea_popescu: manner as long as it IS the right thing.
mircea_popescu: married woman in brunei, a traditionalist society, expects to be fucked, in the way which fucking goes (ie, indifferent), by her husband but not by another man. and if her husband fucks with a stick, or with electrified vaginal pears, it's none of her business ; much like the belgian woman might fuck another woman, or a cat or a bit of plastic, just as long as it DOES the right thing - the brunei woman will fuck in whichever
mircea_popescu: married woman in belgium, a modernist society, expects to fuck her husband, or another man (ie, the who is indifferent) PROVIDED they woo her properly. the what is discerning, and "i fucked him because he bought me roses just like you did 20 years ago you pig" is perfectly "rational".
mircea_popescu: phf there's a who and a what. traditional societies put the what in an equivalency ring and discern the who ; modernist societies put the who in an equivalency ring and discern the what.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: ah if you don't need such a thing - then your gentoo is ready for battlefield, neh
asciilifeform: (single-threaded wwwtrons with 'fire' in the name can go and die in a fire, yesterday, and it won't be soon enough)
asciilifeform: chromium is prolly the only logical feedstock for such an attempt. afaik.
asciilifeform: post the barf plox
ben_vulpes: i eventually gave up on making the mimisbrunnr block renditions look acceptable in lynx
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: http://trilema.com/2016/sad-times-in-the-fiat-empire-apparently-you-cant-give-the-dollar-away-these-days/#selection-279.0-284.0
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 00:33 ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: you and a few others :P
BingoBoingo: In other google suck: If you try searching for 2" drive sockets and breaker bars it returns ocean of wimpy 1/2" drive
phf: not sure how reversion follows though. it's easy to run away into the forest, because it's completely meaningless. but running away into tradition is equivalent to death (per older thread). "destruction of known universe"
shinohai: Indeed there is
ben_vulpes: wasn't there a qntra on this, asciilifeform ?
mircea_popescu: and which is why traditionalist societies guilty pleasure is genealogy, as in heraldics or vtronics ; whereas modernist societies guilty pleasure is "self improvement" as in miracle diets and college degrees. (no, the two aren't different, the notion that you will BECOME at the college is entirely like the notion that you'll go to heaven through not cursing.)
asciilifeform: https://support.circle.com/hc/en-us/articles/217972003 << meanwhile another scamola exchange bites it
mircea_popescu: in order for the modernist delusion to work, some equivalence clases are prerequsite, which is why all modern states are socialisms. if differences matter, "modern democracy" is impossible.
mircea_popescu: it's also the deep reason why reversion to feudalism / end of modernism is entirely unavoidable. the deep reason "dark ages" guys did what they did isn't them being "stupid", it's the absence of the modernist interface. when the world of possibilities is endless and the only possible trail is offered by strong identity, be it of the chivalric or v/wot type, society works a certain way.
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: you and a few others :P
phf: forest used to be where the ancestors came from and that where demons and ghouls are. now ancestors come from tradition and that's where wilderness is
phf: huh, it's unknowable, so either presented as a joke, or as complete hostile aliennes. sort of texas chainsaw massacre kind of stuff. russian equivalent would be narratives about "деревня"