phf: but their screening was half hour collabedit and the entirety of it was "here's a problem, now hack, ok half hour's up"
phf: one place (outsourced quants) brought out three laptops and asked me which environment i prefered, i thought that was pretty classy. (they had a really wide range, because every time someone said something obscure, they'd put it on the machine. like the linux box had emacs, with a lot of package preloaded and reasonably configured, mac box had intellij and such)
ben_vulpes: phf: i'd rather see someone use the editor they already have set up to attack problems in the domain for which they're under consideration for hiring
phf: ben_vulpes: that's sop now. i sort of go for interviewes every month or so to see what's out there, etc. and the past two years i had a lot of http://collabedit.com screenings
asciilifeform: avoids the util-specific braindamage
Framedragger: there is none!
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: d'you know what the default curl timeout is offhand?
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: nice. re. curl timeouts, yeah you need them, otherwise it'll hand for a long time on some of those IPs (i saw this) :)
trinque: hiring only works through wot, formal or meat-implemented, and the "I will create an arena and find humans" really only works well if the whole society is the arena.
phf: a shared online webpad bullshit they get, "ssh into my box so you can have a sane editor" they start freaking out
phf: one guy ("10 years of unix experience") canceled the screening because i told him he'll have to ssh into a shared screen and i'll ask him some questions
phf: literally nobody can tell me what the potential downsides of `for i in xrange(1000000): a += "foo"` are
phf: i've been asking people to implement StringIO/StringBuilder/string-output-stream pattern. my original thinking was that while totally self contained problem it's a nice segue into gc, memory/runtime tradeoffs, threading, etc. just a baseline "are we on the same page" phone screening. i've went through about 35 "send us your resume" people and none of them could do it :o
mircea_popescu: as in eg, king has seven sons, who shall inherit the throne.
asciilifeform: re: ^, must point out, that robot eats a number of other items in addition to mains current (replacement parts, made of ~entire mendeleev table, as well as petro-plastics)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 17:28 mircea_popescu: there are a number of reasons for this. 1. robots eat electricity ; humans eat a sort of oil derivate ; see http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577962 ; 2. robots are an industrial product, this costs ~nothing while "well brainwashed humans" are the equivalent of a "well behaved wife". tell you what, here's a half billion girlies in your "civilised world", you have a week to find a wife. let me know what you spent.
asciilifeform: imho the notion of 'standard exam problem' is terrifyingly ridiculous
asciilifeform: '“The intel on this wasn’t 100 percent,” he said. However, he refused to dismiss outright the claims in the online articles, conceding only that there were no children “inside that dwelling.” He also said that child slavery was a worldwide phenomenon.'
asciilifeform: in other lulz, völkischer beobachter interviews, supposedly, pedopizza hunter: https://archive.is/4aFDV
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 02:37 mircea_popescu: but what i specifically take issue with is the claim that "There is no clear way in any languages". what the heck ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580179 << goes back to tmsr compiling things. instead of the obvious conclusion "most applicants don't know how to program and most interviewers don't know how to interview" you get insanity "this problem is a special problem!!1"
ben_vulpes: in other lols child apparently has muscle and coordination for rubber band play
asciilifeform: ain't they separate <div>'s..?
asciilifeform: (how the fuck does that WORK? ... ben_vulpes? anyone?)
asciilifeform: and it nailed the sidebar also
asciilifeform: and hmm mircea_popescu i think you left a <i> open somewhere in the endnotes
ben_vulpes: i'll take a look at where it is in the list of phucked ips later and make a call as to whether its worthwhile to kill it and start over
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 15:38 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the things to scan, that very often are found: 80 (http), 443 (ssl), and if either found, the page; if ssl -- the cert id strings (see l0gz for how) , and lastly, ftp (yes, believe or now) and telnet greetings.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579768 << i suppose that i mis-parsed the 80/443 comment here due to immune system load
asciilifeform: ( if someone feels like writing to some of these folx, to see what happens, i don't particularly care )
asciilifeform: the parfumeries, kibbutzim, etc. www tour was not particularly productive.
ben_vulpes: only grabs the ip list at the beginning of run, doesn't have any provisions for restart.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: might want to handle the barf case (if box times out)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 12:28 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579752 << seeing as nobody was doing that, here's the result of basically that: http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctored-ssh-boxes/ - i may or may not do the other things (banners for http/ssh/telnet/ftp/etc), everyone feel free to do the latter, you can
asciilifeform: and of course mice, rats would much rather 'upgrade bitcoin' in your pantry than in the winter forest
mircea_popescu: either that or drop dead.
mircea_popescu: just like the fucktards who don't like bitcoin aren't permitted to "upgrade it" ; they have to go do ethereum or whatever the fuck doge ripple solidcoin bullshitcoin they do.
mircea_popescu: if they didn't want to play in the character=byte garden they're more thanwelcome to go learn lisp.
mircea_popescu: this "modernisation and progress is the destruction of items by people who didn't like them in the first place" nonsense is pretty far out there.
mircea_popescu: if you are stewarding an apple tree, you'll fucking deliver apples till the day you die ; you do not come up with a way to make the apple tree make shitty plums.
mircea_popescu: yes. that's the point.
mircea_popescu: sure but what's that to do with anything ? "on my car which has an engine, adjusting the intake valves does things" "he's got a bycicle!"
asciilifeform: 'character'=='byte' is retarded even if you are a roman and only intend to use the letters on the alphabetic kbd till the day you die
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must point out that, e.g., commonlisp, which was designed sanely from the beginning ('character' != 'byte') can and often is unicodified with ~0 headache
mircea_popescu: just as allowing python-3 out of experimental was the wrong move.
mircea_popescu: it is marginalyl funny just how happy to break everyone's processes these schmucks are to introduce, eg, mandatory-unicode-via-python-3 but how suddenly waxy-poetic and careful they are when it comes to user security.
mircea_popescu: it was said at the time that the breach is unfixable, because it requires regeneration of keys.
mircea_popescu: (about two thirds of the devs think they are updating, about one third of boxes do get updated)
mircea_popescu: then squeeze wheezy an' currently jessie.
asciilifeform: this was the claim
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you happen to recall the nominally last rngless debian ?
asciilifeform: the embedded shitwares (cams, phones, etc) in particular.
trinque: yeah, there's also cygwin
asciilifeform: i dun think these have anything to do with debian...
asciilifeform: 'More than 35 years since its foundation, Safetykleen remains the UK’s market leading parts-washing company.' << 94.185.212.244:80
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: huh not the worst idea! i'll see if i can arrange when i'm back for christmas week after next :P
asciilifeform: 94.107.193.60:80 >> 'For a Refendum in Belgium' . 'A democratie is based on the voice of the people. Only the Refendum can grant this respect'
asciilifeform: trinque: 'that man is dead. the name's todd now! sweeny todd!' (tm) (r)
trinque: todd really is the worst name, isn't it
asciilifeform: and when asciilifeform did several years of linguistics at uni, this is the kind of language that was assigned.
mircea_popescu: it's like the perl ofall languages, actively breaks the head. EVERYTHING they do is wrong.
mircea_popescu: where the fuck ?!
mircea_popescu: trinque http://trilema.com/2013/life-in-the-time-of-empire/ << martial is a good starting point, his english is very good but very plain ; there's a celebrated collection of medieval poems (carmina burana) which works well because very close to modern conventions.
trinque: Framedragger: is there a list somewhere ?
mircea_popescu: there were some decent programs catering to this approach at us unis too, perseus at tufts for eg.
mircea_popescu: trinque the method i recommend, if you care, is to work selections of classical texts with the dictionary ; then proceed to answer any systematic questions you have when you're sick of the slog.
trinque: mircea_popescu: was insulting english and saying there's an appthing to walk around with practicing latin, with which I'm starting before taking on any other romance lang
asciilifeform: http://80.1.67.37/login.aspx << i've never heard of a 'briportal' or 'britannic technologies ltd' but apparently they're based on diddled-debian...
trinque: speaking of speaking only mudlang (and a small amount of spanishmudlang), if anyone else is slogging through latin, the app memrise has decent flash cards under the "GCSE" set
asciilifeform: http://35.8.60.151 << 'The OpenREP Project (OpenREP) provides information on dioxins and dioxin-like chemicals to the public. This is the only comprehensive source of scientific data on exposure risks due to dioxins and dioxin-like chemicals. Our team of curators.....'
mircea_popescu: trinque at least if they did it publicly, you know, "this is the kitchen, the women and girly men cook here ; and this is the fuck room, where we make the children".
asciilifeform: 'SelecSource is the most experienced staffing partner in Atlanta, specializing in skilled trades, industrial and clerical talent. Simply put, we know where to find most qualified and reliable people in the Southeast.' -- 216.5.27.248:80
trinque: these "intentional community" things exist though
trinque: please, I cannot feel at home unless I hear other losers fuck / take a shit / etc
BingoBoingo: Wait, They don't DIY own building?!
trinque: who are these people who *want* to be warehoused in plastic bins packed like a damned beehive
asciilifeform: (probably >2 of these)
Framedragger: well it _could_ have permanent storage, *in principle*.. and one could even reconstruct the past counters from logs which are saved
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ahaha. they.will.... never yield!!1
asciilifeform: tools needed to develop there skills and talents in DIY and DIT....' -- 208.75.183.230:80
asciilifeform: 'We believe in order to create a more sustainable society we need to go from the consumer society to a society formed around "do it yourself" (DIY) and "do it together" (DIT) mentality. Therefor we plan to make living communities which are self sustainable with energy, water and food, but also are in connection with the communities create maker spaces and tool libraries, such that people in the surrounding society have access to the
Framedragger: ^ when it reconnects, the counters start from 0 again
asciilifeform: lol the microshit abortion
mod6: <+goldfinger> and i noticed i connected with some nodes that reported (protocol)verison 99999 << someone saw us on the tubes. hai!
asciilifeform: the interesting bit is that lehrer decided that he did not want to be known for singing, and went back to mathematical obscurity willfully.
asciilifeform: had parody of 'boyscout' song, with fucking; and other lulz
mircea_popescu: i somehow never listened to these.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 17:06 asciilifeform: 'Plagiarize !! Let no one else's work evade your eyes ! Remember why the good Lord made your eyes ! So don't shade your eyes !' (tm) (r) (tom lehrer)
asciilifeform: the ex-maths d00d.
mircea_popescu: i see the yankovich tradition is well and good.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 01:43 pete_dushenski: ofc not, so 'drug dealer' is obv a snide remark, not actually positied theory
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580127 << thinking about it you're entirely right, what's said there isn't "you are a drug dealer" but specifically "you aren't a drug dealer" in the sense of "i don't think you're that cool so nyah!"
asciilifeform: even to dump the raw txt (right column) on one page, separated by hlines, would be useful
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 12:28 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579752 << seeing as nobody was doing that, here's the result of basically that: http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctored-ssh-boxes/ - i may or may not do the other things (banners for http/ssh/telnet/ftp/etc), everyone feel free to do the latter, you can
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry - i must've meant also the enslavement of the general population, murder, rape, arson and misrepresentation.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 12:51 mircea_popescu: also the enslavement of the general population, murder, rape, arson and jaywalking.
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Proverbs 3:5 :: Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
mircea_popescu: yes well, the understanding of the bible and the text of the bible are separable concerns.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 12:14 mircea_popescu: it directly mirrors the biblical understanding (god was ; and lucifer did) and very much explains why "patriotic war" and "peace keeping" and "Defending" and etcetera. the narrative always is "we - were ; enemy - did ; we - shall be again".
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Isaiah 45:7 :: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
goldfinger: ah there, okay thanks
mircea_popescu: "You have reached The Most Serene Republic, the world's only sovereign. See http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ "
goldfinger: where can i read up the topic
mircea_popescu: we should get our key registered with the deedbot and read up the topic / do something useful with ourselves.
mircea_popescu: you know, what the ssh supposedly implements.
goldfinger: they banned all end to end encryption?
mircea_popescu: the most serene republic is a terrorist organisation dedicated to the violent destruction of all fiat constructions, from states on.
goldfinger: yeah, so i thought, who the hell are these people that start counting their version number downwards
mircea_popescu: oh THAT's why they prefer tight pussy!
mircea_popescu: goldfinger the better question is why should you be voiced at all. who're you ?
Framedragger: +/- that, plus hacking into shit will become commonplace police practice (eh who am i kidding and being naive about, they're simply 'streamlining' all that in the judicial sense..)
Framedragger: (~545 boxes out of 1319 phuctored respond to http - only the ones that do are in there.)
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579752 << seeing as nobody was doing that, here's the result of basically that: http://siphnos.mkj.lt/phuctored-ssh-boxes/ - i may or may not do the other things (banners for http/ssh/telnet/ftp/etc), everyone feel free to do the latter, you can
mircea_popescu: (also why so many of the moribund modernist world take refuge in "coding" as they understand it rather than much more obviously productive, satisfiying and accessible venues)
mircea_popescu: there's no practical way in which anything can reduce to "doing". even in software.
mircea_popescu: it directly mirrors the biblical understanding (god was ; and lucifer did) and very much explains why "patriotic war" and "peace keeping" and "Defending" and etcetera. the narrative always is "we - were ; enemy - did ; we - shall be again".
mircea_popescu: and which is why the "golden toilet" device is so important in trying to sell modernism to traditionalist societies - the point is to show optionality in the desired public enemy.
mircea_popescu: so no, the peasant didn't blame the boyar because the boyar did something. the peasant doesn't care about that (nor was the doing actually verifiable as such, nor did it likely happen rather than the opposite). the peasant blame the boyar because the boyar was the wrong thing, a do-er rather than an is-er.
mircea_popescu: but the $enemy DOES!"
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 16:59 asciilifeform: well yes, you blame the d00d who actually worked you to the bone
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579813 << on meditation, this is not at all the case. the boyar was blamed in 1700 for the exact reason the jew was blamed in 1900 : the perception of "optionality" in the sense of http://trilema.com/2013/the-dead-jew-and-the-raped-girl/ ; strictly drawn along the lines of "the emperor is ; the gold is ; the grain is and the famine is ; disease and war and grass and cunt and penis all are -
mircea_popescu: see http://trilema.com/2016/memoranda-and-shit-like-1800s-high-diplomacy/ re the first point, but yes plenty other examples scattered in the logs ; see http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-11-29.log.html#t13:20:08 re the later - the reason the contract is not lucrative is because cft is expected to cost 180% in the future because "consensus"-ed. though in fairness the supplies are ever dubious in practice etc - but there's system st
mircea_popescu: do follow. neither of these are likely to hold long term and moreover complexity ever increases, so i expect they'll emerge next year or so.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579712 << there is yet no futures market principally because agreement among the major players keeps the prices stable. the reasonings through which that agreement is distilled however are getting ever more complex ; this yet holds because everyone involved has a brain the size of staten island and can mostly follow the intricacies + a patience the size of a larger planet's ice caps, so they
jhvh1: ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was living under the impression that i am reading the faits d'armes of adule male. for some reason.
asciilifeform: hey maybe they watched mircea_popescu take city with bare teeth and want also.
mircea_popescu: the approximate equivalent of "umm... hi fortified city, here is my siege. i... uhhh... i ate all the horses on the way over. and burned the trebuchets. surrender now ?"
asciilifeform: https://web.archive.org/web/20140302045958/http://my.opera.com/Vorlath/blog/2012/04/20/math-why-there-is-disagreement-on-cantors-diagonal-argument << strictly for pro entomologists. cantorist crackpot! and here i thought that the last one died in '99 or so, usenetron in hand...
mircea_popescu: for the love of all that's holy. who does this ? WHO ?
mircea_popescu: "For example, when I first came to Japan, I had no computer. I also had no money, because the plane ticket and setting up my household ate all of my savings. In America, this isnt a barrier to getting a computer, because Dell will do a quick FICO score on you and then happily extend you $2,000 of trade credit."
mircea_popescu: hey - other ones blessed mrs jones' urethra etc
asciilifeform: the unspoken but correct answer is 'if i go and pretend to be a real liberal-profession, lawyer, airline pilot, i will go to jail'
mircea_popescu: from what i heard from all other shops, they do. it's like asking why has superluminous tachyon decided to bless your apparatus.
asciilifeform: why not go across the street and pretend to be some other thing. why came to our door.
asciilifeform: it always boggled my imagination, how these folx pick a thing to 'be'
mircea_popescu: the 92 yo i had in mind specifically was http://trilema.com/2010/la-munca-cu-negrii/#selection-37.0-37.88
mircea_popescu: needless to say this produced "correct" responses through the insufferable avenue of missing out on the problem.
asciilifeform: aaaah THEM!!
mircea_popescu: ah. the inflexible 29 yo had this very obnoxious penchant for trying to restate any problem in specific terms as per his textbook.
asciilifeform: sketch plox the inflexible 29yo
asciilifeform: does army service count as 'employ' for the purpose of mircea_popescu's disdainful eye ?
mircea_popescu: which incidentally was true at the time.
mircea_popescu: old folks as in bio age i usually have an easy enough time with ; young folks who aspire to be employed however are aged beyond their age, like touched by the fucking vorlons.
ben_vulpes: us degrees are worse than worthless, they're an actual burden. holders generally have such an inflated opinion of themselves and blown up cashflow needs due to student loans they're nigh unemployable.
asciilifeform: olympiads are a desperation measure, when i sat on other end of the table i resorted to them also
asciilifeform: nothing prizeworthy, because wtf, think someone wants to sit and make up real prize problem.. but it wasn't all low-effort crapola either.
asciilifeform: 'here's a pg of obdjump -D .., say what is the routine'
asciilifeform: it's a helloworld, a litmus to see whether esteemed mr. orc has even heard of the notion of programming a computer
mircea_popescu: i don't even see how the fuck this is programming.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 16:58 asciilifeform: (at a recent hellhole where asciilifeform worked, they marched in folx with perfect marks, many magister degrees in 'sciences', etc., who COULD NOT PROGRAM)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 01:55 pete_dushenski would very much one day like to see what these bdsm clubs are all about, preferably with mircea_popescu as guide, for he presently has nfi what he's missing out on.
mircea_popescu: what is with these obnoxious prigs already.
mircea_popescu: fucking bullshit, "use separate variable, test the number test variable if empty" can be written in fucking bash.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 01:47 phf: pete_dushenski: sure, but my comment stands. when you read travel diaries in general they all have the same format, it's just this particular one reads like "in my country of Kazakhstan we shoot dog, i couldn't find any places to shoot dogs in so called civilized england"
mircea_popescu: but what i specifically take issue with is the claim that "There is no clear way in any languages". what the heck ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580164 << it was a pons asinorum, a 'write hello world' exam to weed out applicants who 1) cannot program to save their life 2) memorized 'hello world' to fool examinators
mircea_popescu: one of these is going to turn out to be whatever supersecret bullshit someone put online because idiots and everyone's going to lose their shit.
asciilifeform: nfi what else, there is probably a vendor backdoor, i cannot be arsed
mircea_popescu: am i nuts or something ? wtf "I think Fizz-Buzz is "hard" for some programmers because (#1) it doesn't fit into any of the patterns that were given to them in school assignments, and (#2) it isn't possible to directly and simply represent the necessary tests, without duplication, in just about any commonly-used modern programming language." (as per http://wiki.c2.com/?FizzBuzzTest )
mircea_popescu: this tiny may bug like creature is having the time of its life over on the db in jp monitor. i've never seen one so happy.
ben_vulpes: ya, rather
pete_dushenski: haha there are worse ideas
mircea_popescu: there lol. sign up for a meeting, take wifey along.
mircea_popescu: eh, they probably advertise.
pete_dushenski: this is where i sheepishly admit that there could be one across the street but that i've not yet encountered anyone who's admitted to knowledge of its whereabouts. though given that 'edmonton ab' showed up on a few of the fetlife meatlist, you sorta have to figure there must be ~something~ of the sort in a town >1mn pop.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure they must have one.
mircea_popescu: i thought you lived in something that passes for urban center in the frozen wastes ?
pete_dushenski would very much one day like to see what these bdsm clubs are all about, preferably with mircea_popescu as guide, for he presently has nfi what he's missing out on.
pete_dushenski guesses that quantity of honey depends on the degree of f-i-l's personal means, how many girls he's burdened with, and how much of a stud the s-i-l is.
mircea_popescu: one time, the dad of this chick (/me is very old school, always insisted in meeting the parents of all molls) asked me if i have serious intentions. so i asked him if she's a virgin.
pete_dushenski: father-in-laws can be, and in my fortunate experience are, still grateful sobs
mircea_popescu: how the fuck these "men" have managed to turn that into the above quote in one short century is anyone's guess.
mircea_popescu notes for the record that in 1916, man considering the mitzvah of accepting a cunt in his household was given money, and no insignificant portion thereof, by the ever-delighted parents.
phf: pete_dushenski: sure, but my comment stands. when you read travel diaries in general they all have the same format, it's just this particular one reads like "in my country of Kazakhstan we shoot dog, i couldn't find any places to shoot dogs in so called civilized england"
pete_dushenski: apparently the 'big city' of tokyo or wherever isn't part of the jp where triads ARE the law, financiers, drug dealers, etc etc.
mircea_popescu: ~if i am~ a drug dealer and i burn down your house, you'll what ? file a police report ? go on the local news network with a teary eyed "no one could have predicted that if i get pissy with people who break the law for a living i might end up with a burned down house" ?
pete_dushenski: ofc not, so 'drug dealer' is obv a snide remark, not actually positied theory
pete_dushenski: phf: the authors aren't highly cultured and esteemed envoys from foreign lands, they're just... regular blokes.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski all the warning signs are there. to wit : "(The hypothesis was advanced, more than once, that as a foreigner who routinely travels abroad, speaks Spanish, and has money without any evidence of gainful employment, I was probably a drug dealer. I wish I were joking.)"
phf: that's what i'm saying though, these are like nifty anthropological studies by very inept anthropologists. you learn more about the author, than...
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: only for values of 'my way' that resolve to mircea_popescu and similar, which'd be rare enough to mostly ignore in jp. or else, sure, in a world where ol' ladies be gettin' torched leftrightandcentre, gramma opens the door for you, not the other way around.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski respect for the elders is predicated upon the stable basis of them elders having earned enough life experience to know better than getting in my way.
mircea_popescu: mod6 and these are the dorks who go "oh, midwest, flyover zone". really ? flyover zone for what, your ballsac in a sling ?
mircea_popescu: holy shit these people...
mircea_popescu: "When I met her mother for the first time, I brought my resume and tax returns. Her mother was not 100% keen on the match when we started dating, as a combination of foreigner and not gainfully employed suggested that I was not exactly marriage material, but I eventually won her over."
mircea_popescu: except she is "intermediate" among the people actually making money ; not among the people aspiring to be used, which is still not the same as making money. you could just as well say tom cook is an intermediate manager (in the sense that bezos is clearly better and whoever they have at microsoft, that indian fellow, clearly worse), so you figure ten years after getting your degree from ohio state business school you'll be pu
mircea_popescu: this is like saying that your "sense of the market" indicates that as an intermediate starlet in her 30s you'd probably command between 1 and 3 mn pa because hey, that's what bravo/seveteen/cosmo/whatever said christina applegate was making at some point in 2006 when she was 32 and was doing three different things.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha get the fuck out.
mircea_popescu: "Ones actual salary as a salaryman is generally rather low about $100 per year of age per month, as an engineer in Nagoya (set by a particular monopsonistic engineering employer near Nagoya). In Tokyo, my sense of the market is that, as an intermediate engineer in his early thirties, Id probably command somewhere between $30k and $60k. (In Silicon Valley, the going rate would be somewhere between $120k and $160k and
asciilifeform: the orbiting beasts have doubled and doubled in size...
ben_vulpes: oh, it's mckenzie's turn huh? how'd he escape the eye of sauron for so long?
mircea_popescu: in other news, i'm enjoying reading this kalzumeus piece on japanese culture. it's like japan consists of the 1950s mob.
mircea_popescu: they actually say this, "i'm a dog lover". then you meet the dog, and the general effect is "i love kids" guy with a fridge full of kid parts.
mircea_popescu: and this nation, that to my knowledge has furthest perfected the art of pointlessly but with extreme callous cruelty torturing man's oldest and best friend, nevertheless considers itself full of dog lovers.
mircea_popescu: but there's still plenty of cats.
mircea_popescu: like "fish, delicious and healthy!" label on a caserole in the discount yesterday's icebox.
mircea_popescu: i don't even doubt the label, i just find it amusing.
phf: well, i suspect he's got his facts right, but the commentary is dodgy
mircea_popescu: lol! dat "he got everything wrong but the subject is interesting".
BingoBoingo: In other customer complaints: "Bought a weed and grass killer. Used it according to instructions and it killed a linden tree and many plants. Ace does not seem to be responsible and turned me over to a David at spectrum who admitted that their product does damage."
phf: and on the subject of japan and doing things right, gwern wrote about internet culture in japan http://www.gwern.net/The%20Melancholy%20of%20Subculture%20Society#japan-and-the-internet he got everything wrong, but the subject is interesting
phf: "Sure it might take ten years and only work on a quarter of the new hires but that’s why we employ you for 45 years and hire a hundred at once!"
phf: "The company will mold you to their exacting specifications to do whatever form of service they require. You will happily comply, in this as in all things. For example, if your company needs a Java-speaking systems engineer and you have a degree in Art History, this is not a problem because you can be fixed."
phf: asciilifeform: i didn't read that thread too close, but in japan they still seem to do "hire who not how" presumably successfully http://www.kalzumeus.com/2014/11/07/doing-business-in-japan/
trinque: then later "elite forces"
trinque: As Iraqi forces advanced toward the al-Salam hospital in Mosul earlier this week, encountering only light resistance from Islamic State fighters, commanders decided to seize the facility instead of sweeping the neighborhoods along the road leading to it.
trinque charitably assumes it was a chick blowing kisses at the Republic
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: i guess the dude was just "getting his identity confirmed" or w/e KYC stuff.
mircea_popescu: yes but i guess they can't be arsed to deal with stuck in traffic peon / having to physically go to the peon pen etc
mircea_popescu: dude i have nfi. because they're used to hiring camwhores ?
mircea_popescu: http://shivankaul.com/blog/2016/12/07/clean-your-desk-yet-another-amazon-interview-experience.html << this is some serious sf shit.
asciilifeform: so i how do i parse 'picked off the streets == "not has imperial diploma"'
mircea_popescu: they usually don't walk the streets, being selected for a sort of pretentious lazyness, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: how would i elaborate, you'e the one who's stumped. you elaborate.
mircea_popescu: picked off the streets == "not has imperial diploma"
mircea_popescu: as in, picked off the streets because anybody can anything and selected for certain attributes.
asciilifeform: and guards -- picked off the street, because anybody-can-anything? or selected for certain attributes ?
mircea_popescu: or if they don't because society broke down, i guess my guardpeople shoot her and throw the body to the dogs. either way.
mircea_popescu: so she burns down some apartment. the firepeople will put it out, the insurance people will pay for it and i guess the police people will take her to the doctorpeople or w/e.
asciilifeform: proverbian the-house.
mircea_popescu: why would there be a THE HOUSE ? i don't subscribne to "let's all go to the same shitty island and make a georepublic" ima have a the house ?