adlai: my intent was not nubbins's "you guys are operating badly", but rather "you guys are operating differently from how i expected, could you please educate me as to why my assumption is incorrect?"
shinohai: !!rate BingoBoingo 3 "Qntra: Herald of The Most Serene Republic"
mircea_popescu: yes, but what the fuck is it his business that old whore of hillary is doing my secretarial work ?
asciilifeform: eh, let's not beat the d00d to a pulp, he just ordered a unit
mircea_popescu: this "concerned public" nubbinstardation didn't work for the original nubbins. you think you're special or some shit ?
adlai: i do hope that identifying my assumptions as such as improvement upon leaving them implicit.
mircea_popescu: minding own business, as reflected in, for eg, having actually come up with something useful at some point, and also in the negative in, eg, not asking me to do your homework out of published data, is key.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 18:32 adlai: out of curiosity, why are orders encrypted to mircea_popescu , when i'd assume (silly me, all these assumptions!) that asciilifeform is the one actually doing the assembly + shipping?
adlai: asciilifeform: hypothetical program gets two files as input, old version and new version. proceeds to make diff itself, rather than relying on gnudiff; doesn't need to use awk matching since it's not massaging grudiff output but rather producing the vpatch directly itself, thus bypassing this magic string. am i missing something?
asciilifeform: it was lulzy, i pointed it out publicly, and he for a while carried on the pretense of 'uh, not me...'
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 18:12 Framedragger: fwiw i still like moxie, but it's sad that he's doing the "i don't use gpg anymore" thing, too
asciilifeform: phf: understand that the schematic as represented in the png is what ended up as the board. whereas if i were to redraw it by hand, that is an additional PROMISE
phf: asciilifeform: i suggested one, i'm still suggesting it. philosophically correct solution would be to reduce graph to something that can be reasoned about as text. note that i'm not even sure if i'm prepared to advocate for that as the main way forward, but it's an option.
mircea_popescu: we appreciate the compliment ; they can go serenade all the dumb cunts that don't know better, as before.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 18:08 thestringpuller: look i thought jgarzik's tweet about gpg dying was just an outlier of PRB nonsense but it's a plague now I've witnessed for myself, that is all
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 18:03 shinohai: nah they still ask you to "paste copy of privkey in browser to enact enhanced features*
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581191 << ffs. these people and their "features"...
asciilifeform: adlai: how does that fix the 'magic string' problem ?
adlai: my proper fix to this would be writing vdiff in zero-dependency ANSI CL, and replacing the "long career of idiot special case patches" with a short career of specific kelvin-reducing patches
phf: asciilifeform: to some extent it goes back to the that thread about thinking on the board, and the result of thinking
asciilifeform: adlai: this is a) correct and b) unsolvable in the general case afaik.
asciilifeform: phf: fact is, they are not born in that form, and can only be converted to it by hand, with the attendant errors and weeks of necessary double, triple, dodecuple check
adlai: as i see it the problem is that a valid gnudiff output is a false positive for the awk script, this actually has nothing to do with b64 that just happens to have produced the first example of this output
asciilifeform: phf: fact is, the schematics are a) human readable b) essential to the device c) not ascii
phf: binary blobs remain an unsolved problem. the whole idea of binary (or base64) is contrary to some of the more philosophical aspects of vpatch you and mp like to discuss, so i don't know if base64 even solves it.
adlai: this 'hope' gets tested immediately. i'm only suggesting a quick fix here, still thinking about the proper one.
asciilifeform: b) release vtronic pld source only -- and deedbot apparently doesn't eat vpatches yet -- AND then would have no schematics
asciilifeform: so right now i'm looking at the options:
adlai: of course, although the current vdiff is a mishmash of three abstractions, two of which have their own DSLs (bash & awk), so some amount of abstraction leak is inevitable
asciilifeform: and what prevents some idiocy in the future from also 'containing two spaces' ?
adlai: in the lines that you do want that awk script to match
adlai: the per-file header produced by gnudiff should contain two spaces, whereas b64 data should contain none
asciilifeform: and vdiff sees it and emits the barf.
adlai: re:space, i realize the space is the separator in the patch syntax; the awk script is not looking for it though
adlai: it could help to see the exact lines that caused this
adlai: although i may be understanding the spec incorrectly
adlai: at which point the planet gains angular momentum, due to murphy spinning slower in his grave
asciilifeform: right into the output stream.
asciilifeform: MOTHERFUCKING in-band.
asciilifeform: and apparently '+++' is a valid sequence inside these.
asciilifeform: so i had two base64's png files in there,
asciilifeform: and lol, did i just find another bug in gnudiff.
asciilifeform: AS THEY ARE
asciilifeform: i want : these ^ deedbotted.
adlai: asciilifeform: i realize there is not an incentive to perform such mischief. this is just me being talkative.
phf: asciilifeform: i think the solution that we arrived at is that you just paste the two pastebot urls clear and sig and i pick them up. so if you want to deedbot them, just do that, and you can assume that it'll end up in btcbase
asciilifeform: adlai: what did your mother say to you when you were small and asked this ?
asciilifeform: adlai: how about whether delay in tying your shoes is worth the gain in not tripping over own laces ?
adlai: sufficiently resourceful prankster might enrich S.NSA at customers' expence by giving them different amounts
asciilifeform: WITHOUT THE IDIOT MUTILATION of clearsign
adlai: ugh, sadly internet collections of quotes from "The Phantom Tollbooth" lack the one about valid reasons... left as exercise to reader
adlai: ok so i'll leave out the --encrypt-to stan
asciilifeform: but on other hand, i ~like~ not having to know where crate is doing until the very hour.
adlai: out of curiosity, why are orders encrypted to mircea_popescu , when i'd assume (silly me, all these assumptions!) that asciilifeform is the one actually doing the assembly + shipping?
phf: goes back to our conversation about "why you no respect ptacek". since their opinions are not hinged on any deliberately lived experience, they change them according to fashions. if you happen to be fashion aligned you'll think that they are geniuses, but as soon as you start doing your own thing, you realize just how superficial they are
Framedragger: i suppose so, but his tone was more like "gpg UI is shit => gpg is shit => eh fuck gpg, i'll just use signal/otr etc [and i encourage others to do the same]"
Framedragger: fwiw i still like moxie, but it's sad that he's doing the "i don't use gpg anymore" thing, too
Framedragger: well.. that's one of the problems. i don't really keep names in my mind, it's not worth the space. sorry if i implied that i'd be able to point at anything interesting
davout: shinohai: you're such a racist and elitist pig. cryptography should be easy and downloadable from the appstore
shinohai: nah they still ask you to "paste copy of privkey in browser to enact enhanced features*
thestringpuller: or atleast I have yet to encounter a keybase user in the wild who has done so...
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: I don't think keybase allows you to generate keys anymore...you have to supply them...
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: keybase etc were going strong year+ ago, snore.
thestringpuller: While asciilifeform is diligently building fuckgoats the lamestream media will inevitably "white wash javascript" crypto. Above is evidnce of it happening in the making. Maybe not suprising to you. But surprising to me to see it more rampantly.
adlai: this sounds like a criticism of JS-generated keys, rather than a criticism of "private key never existed on an internet-connected computer, and no backup is saved other than a piece of paper"
asciilifeform: what part of this crapola is new or interesting, thestringpuller ?
thestringpuller: Luke-jr was trying to warn people similarly to you as to "paper wallet" crap-olade. And "the self proclaimed experts" stated, " He doesn't believe that any security sensitive activity should happen in a web browser, disregarding the fact that today's JavaScript actually has excellent cryptographic bonafides -- like a random number generator that's generally stronger than whatever the host operating system can offer."
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: well the cyrpto-pocalypse is happening. reading several arguments against the "paper-wallet" and literally saw "Javascript has strong cryptographic functions. Generate keys in your web browser!"
jhvh1: adlai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: rape is not the answer!
mircea_popescu: in other news, today i learned a chinese! it goes like so : 和我一起，那是你的婊子掴你进监狱，并与所有的民族疯人院
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3aCuKBWE3A << in other news, nick cave ain't even terrible.
mircea_popescu: looky : it's rare that your conclusions are baffling because i'm not aware what ~i~ said. it's generally the case that i'm not aware what nutty assumptions you baked into it. so, what ?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 05:55 mircea_popescu: aaaand... we're sold out on the 1st batch o.O
mircea_popescu: the who what ?
adlai: congratulations on sellout, mircea_popescu & asciilifeform ! although requiring wholesale minimum of half the stock seems kinda 'asking for it'
asciilifeform: probably there is more, lulzier, but i'll bbl.
asciilifeform: if only we had some use for these...
ben_vulpes: do the various weird telnet responses imply an encoding nightmare i have to figure out and fix on my machine?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there were 2
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 01:14 asciilifeform: mats: pretty lulzy in light of today's kakobrekla 'i know the only shareholder and he is remorseful'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-11#1581026 << why is it that every schmuck left crying at the gates takes refuge in this delusional knowledge of things anyway.
BingoBoingo: The real white supremacists are the people who complain that they are disadvantaged because not white.
BingoBoingo: "One of the students wrote: Every day I pass a different student wearing a Black Lives Matter shirt and that goes unacknowledged, but the moment I attempt to voice my opinion it is abruptly shut down by the left sided environment that our school has overwhelmingly supported this school year. Another student wrote: I got called a racist, misogynistic pig."
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/education/student-at-micds-says-the-school-has-been-unwelcoming-to/article_9d24f1e2-cf0e-5508-8dce-5de53d87f527.html
BingoBoingo was engaged in hobby activity trimming undead conifers to customer specifications, and non hobbyists wondered why I would want to play with sawzall when there was drudgework and gossip they wanted my help with.
asciilifeform: i suppose evil giants are more frightening than cold, to the well-insulated beast
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: surprisingly -- or perhaps not -- they don't want 'in'
BingoBoingo: It's the cold
mircea_popescu: prolly the time of year.
asciilifeform: (... or is it the territory? giving'em 2 bowls, spaced two metres apart, did 0)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: funnily enough, 'my' cats have also begun to fight over the food.
deedbot: shinohai updated rating of mod6 from 2 to 3 << trb V http://thebitcoin.foundation
mircea_popescu: in any case, the place is called cenard (centro nacional por alto rendimiento deportivo). they kinda suck at the stated goal.
mircea_popescu: or for any other reasons.
mircea_popescu: or because confronted with their afore-unknown womanly power actually working irl they totally lost their shit
mircea_popescu: or because i was the only dude over 30 there that didn't look like advanced case of brain parasitosis.
mircea_popescu: which utterly threw their game off, they got all stiff and nervous and kept missing passes and shots and the whole kaboodle, ended up trashed 70-55 by a clearly worse team.
mircea_popescu: in similar news, walking yest thgrough town a buncha girlies hit on me, where i'm from, where's the chicks from, etc. they were athletes, like 16yos, playing in the natl basketball competition, semifinals today. so i told them ima show up. which i did.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck was danyalos
asciilifeform: mats: pretty lulzy in light of today's kakobrekla 'i know the only shareholder and he is remorseful'
a111: Logged on 2016-08-27 19:04 mod6: <+mats> if there are any folks still looking to exit their s.nsa holdings, i would like to discuss buying your shares <+asciilifeform> mats: i would buy yours if i had in what to put. << looks like he's trying to buy, not sell.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/12/10/reimagining-the-metlife-building/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Reimagining the Metlife Building.
ben_vulpes: in other tales of eldritch horror: https://medium.com/@tjholowaychuk/farewell-node-js-4ba9e7f3e52b
mod6: (ive been truncating mine on the regular because testing & such)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-10 19:54 mod6: Not the end all be all, but a starting point.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-10 19:42 mod6: There was a minor feature request to importprivkey, which was submitted late last month to the ML. This feature will allow a user to import a private key, but choose which block ight he starts scanning upon import.
mircea_popescu: dude, you're such a nut. they make 1mn addresses, combine them into sets of 10, try each combination as payout address for the block.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why would anyone buy the mined coin if it were impossible to transact ?
mircea_popescu: smart in they're currently squeezing a 0.15% more from blocks than everyoneelse.
mircea_popescu: it's possible (and smart if they do)
asciilifeform: hey for all we know, they have a 2-dimensional miner that varies nonce AND BLOCK
ben_vulpes: didja see the block yesterday with a single tx in it mircea_popescu ?
ben_vulpes: just out of curiosity, anyone care to tell me how large their blockchain is today?
mod6: so, if we wanna go backwards, we'd have to create another similar method to go backwards with something like pindex = pindex->pprev. and this doesn't seem wholly better than what exists. i guess i did think about this about last week, but just figured putting in less code is better.
mod6: The function 'importprivkey' uses an existing wallet.cpp function called CWallet::ScanForWalletTransactions, where you pass this a pointer to the CBlockIndex you want to ~start~ from, then this just iterates forward. by pindex - pindex->pnext;
mod6: asciilifeform: also, there is a techincal reason for going front -> back, as opposed to back -> front.
mod6: Alas, a window into what has been happening for the last 9 days. :]
mod6: There are maybe a few others that will help as well; maybe a rawtx signing function, and maybe something that decodes rawtxs, maybe also some script decoding?
mod6: Not the end all be all, but a starting point.
mod6: So I've created a patch that so far puts in the ability to view 'listunspent' UXTOs in the wallet.
mod6: Not being an expert myself on rawtx's, I've decided to try to get familiar with them, and become more of something closer to an expert -- so some mental strengthining has been going on there.
mod6: I've reviewed the rawtx submission that polarbeard sent.
mod6: Anyway, this is all well and good. Just something we're working on, and considering with the utmost care.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> but you can blow yourself up like this by mis-specifying start-from-and-go-forward blocknumn also. << i've tested this a bunch, with a rescan too, and seems ok. what do you think will be the issue here?
mod6: This edge case being: If pub/priv keypair A, have been sent 1.0 bitcoins on say, tx 123456789, on block 200`000. Then sent 0.5 bitcoins from pub/priv keypair A to pubkey address B on block 250`000. If the uesr only scans back from 300`000, the balance in the wallet may not reflect the 0.5 output still there for that pubkey (from keypair A).
mod6: We've seen that when you import a private key with the original I sent to the ML, it works great, but it does take the time to scan through the index from genesis to HEAD for transactions.
mod6: This feature will allow a user to import a private key, but choose which block height he starts scanning (for related transactions to the address) upon import.
mod6: There was a minor feature request to importprivkey, which was submitted late last month to the ML. This feature will allow a user to import a private key, but choose which block ight he starts scanning upon import.
mod6: This month has been pretty productive for the Foundation already.
mod6: hahaha, the bottom is so gd funny.
mod6: i love these FUCKGOATS pics.
mircea_popescu: makes very useful nothing outside of the very useful (to it) belief that it does.
mircea_popescu: shinohai but then with the same hand he explains how "it makes a very useful" something or the other. in the same hour it humiliated him in the republic, he's there defending it.
mircea_popescu: re the london blitz, this is afaik indisputed agreement, even by the biritsh side. had luftwaffe committed more seriously britain would have likely folded. likelier than any other time.
asciilifeform: mod6: certain very broken browsers wrap columns in such a way that these parachutes appear to be 1 column.
asciilifeform: e's Illinois electoral victories, raised questions about this bizarre "quarantine" policy. Inquiries by the NJCRC, he wrote, had uncovered that "the media in Illinois did know that [Democratic primary candidates] Fairchild and Hart were LaRouchites, and chose not to headline this information, based on a judgment that to do so would give LaRouche a platform in statewide politics he did not deserve."'
asciilifeform: 'But behind the media's "soft" view of LaRouche there was often the rankest hypocrisy. While newspapers portrayed him as a kook they made editorial judgments based on the assumption that he was indeed potentially dangerous—so dangerous that his activities must be concealed from the public lest the truth help his movement grow. Jerome Chasen of the National Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council, in a 1986 memorandum on LaRouch
asciilifeform: 'Just as LaRouche took issue with Hitler's version of total mobilization, so he criticized the Nazi leader's military strategy of waging a two-front war against both the West and the Soviet Union. Hitler should have mopped up the Rothschilds' headquarters, Britain, before marching east. The London blitz was not carried out boldly enough.' << genius.
asciilifeform: http://lyndonlarouche.org/newamericanfascism.htm << in very other non-noose. 'This is not a democratic situation; this is a time where democracy is the worst factor you can get. You've got a democracy in the streets now, they want to kill these guys. That's the democracy I want to hear from. I don't want to hear from these so-called Democrats; I want to hear from the killers!'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there are very real and appealing vices driving, e.g., crapple. sloth, for instance.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, the "general population" desire to play the "modern democracy" game is so great - they will happily pretend! ipads are a thing, notwithstanding they're a regression in any conceivable sense, because "dude feels like data in star trek" which is to say, in plain terms, "because we understand our socialist state needs socialist science to be a thing, and we patriotically do our part in pretending it is a thi
mircea_popescu: ie, science, technology, scientific and technological progress etc aren't driven by the naive, idealist "curiosity" of "bright folks"
mircea_popescu: this observation is strengthened by noticing that if what passes for idealists such as yourself or me as "legitimate" science (say, qm) chokes, ~science itself~ will produce "science" at the same rate, but of the "earth sciences and climatology" ilk.
mircea_popescu: as you can see, there's deep reasons why the socialist state (ie, the social machinery of lies) to depend and pretend from the "scientific progress" ie the theoretical machine of lies.. the whole arrangement is predicated on "we eat and science guy will come by later and settle the bill" for this very reason.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-10 11:45 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-cosubstantial-lie/ << Trilema - The cosubstantial lie
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-10#1580884 << neato! ty for the translation mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: i suppose we start calling nigger assets masquerading as "scientists" trickers from now on, on the basis of you know, "a trick" being "slang" for "a clever and legitimate technique". you know, "in science".
mircea_popescu: breaking global temperatures, the email was widely misquoted as a "trick" to "hide the decline" as though it referred to a decline in measured global temperatures, an accusation made publicly by the politicians Sarah Palin and Jim Inhofe" << the wikipedia unhappening of the original global warming fraud is nothing short of astounding.
mircea_popescu: r Keith's to hide the decline."[205] In science, the term "trick" is slang for a clever (and legitimate) technique, in this case Michael E. Mann's technique for comparing two different data sets,[206] and "the decline" referred to the already published divergence problem with tree ring density proxies affecting the post 1960 part of Keith Briffa's reconstruction graph. Despite this and the fact that 1999 had just seen record
mircea_popescu: "The most quoted phrase took words from an e-mail of 16 November 1999 written by Phil Jones which referred to a graph he was preparing as a diagram for the cover of the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) statement on the status of global climate in 1999.[203][204] Jones wrote: "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie, from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 fo
pete_dushenski: wasn't there an old comment from non-senile buffett re: trading volume ?
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/05/11/mpex-vs-the-play-bitcoin-exchanges/#comment-53154 << multi-comment thread between rando and yours truly. mircea_popescu may be (very) mildly interested. looks like vague reader of logs has decided that mpex is no longer a viable business because... trading volume.
asciilifeform: https://www.ebay.com/itm/191912124177 << holy shit, that d00d parts these things out, sells... ben_vulpes could build whole machine again.
mircea_popescu: lol at least get the dildo!
asciilifeform: double, quadruple, the depression-induction power!1111
asciilifeform: in other lulz: not everyone can buy a mig, but.... https://www.ebay.com/itm/322073122808
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 20:02 asciilifeform: nobody cares how quickly you 'helloworld', but if instead you write down 'why should i have to do this, i expected to see a fat offer!!!' the interviewer learns something quite important.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 19:58 trinque: whether I can code without access to *my* emacs tells someone very little about what I can do with it
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580676 << this really is the difference between hiring and partnership, though.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 19:43 Framedragger: there is none!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580657 << possibly the stupidest idea in all of curl, to not have a default timeout.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580642 << all oif you have it easy. i once had 150+ cvs sent within 24 hours to a (sales) management position ALL by waitresses, cooks, and other STRICTLY unqualified people.
trinque: kill the server!
trinque: server is retarded and people fart around adding hair to their client hairshirts
trinque: points to the moral imperative of making war
ben_vulpes: eh fuggit, drop shit on the floor wcgw
trinque: "uh like a second per but not always basically when the receive buffer for you is full but also reasons"
trinque avoided adding any kind of rate limiting to the bot code because I have yet to find a straight answer on appropriate rate
ben_vulpes: note the barf that got mimi kicked off for flooding
ben_vulpes: in other wwwtronic toyz: http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate#1d176a0b-2995-4522-b9bd-b14447c6bec7
trinque: no, just some guy thought the API should block when it's doing *anything*
ben_vulpes: fuckin weird, 'cause their webpage does not report that
asciilifeform: if enemy had even half of its shit together, instead of busying itself with imbecile alt-scams, we would have some problems.
asciilifeform: (whereas parallelizing it would entail getting rid of the hundreds of idiot global locks, and the ensuing wtf)
asciilifeform: ( if anyone can come up with a rigorous experiment to measure the whether and how-much of this -- do speak up.)
asciilifeform: this is because there is -- and afaik to this very day -- a thick layer of prb between any of us and any miner.
asciilifeform: my point is that artificially rationing connections to trb will lead to ~slower~ propagation, rather than faster -- unless it alleviates severa spamola, as my 'banhammer' did
asciilifeform: the 'fixed peers' thing is actually the tip of a very nontrivial iceberg, because bitcoin was not in fact designed as a 'wotronic' mechanism, and it is not clear that 'nothing to allcomers' is safely retrofittable on it
asciilifeform: (the situation where trb nodes, in the ~collective~, can be persuaded to tune out the heathen world, is precisely it)
asciilifeform: sorta why i have not touched trb in quite a spell -- there is nothing left to do that is not 'a mutilation' imho
phf: ben_vulpes: connect to these and only these is a trivial change, since the logic all sits within 30 lines of code, but ^
asciilifeform: and to introduce ANY such thing would mutilate, beyond recognition, 'grandfather's pistol'.
asciilifeform: in the sense where there is no mechanism for safely preempting a stalled conversation with another node, or allocating time quanta, or even (gasp) allowing >1 operation across blockchain or mempool in PARALLEL
asciilifeform: every time i go and reopen this can of worms and look at the code, i end up realizing that the thing is ~unfixable
a111: Logged on 2016-01-20 02:05 asciilifeform: so i will review, for the benefit of non-panzers, the current state
asciilifeform: ( because - at least as i understand it - it requires the entire spittoon )
asciilifeform: somewhat surprisingly -- it really is a dumb surveybot, does not seem to do anything peculiar other than the >0.8 test.
asciilifeform: to get a sense if their overall census is even slightly believable
asciilifeform: the bulk of the reason i even wrote the 'programmable verstring' patch to begin with is to determine, experimentally, whether enemy would willingly go along with displaying directory of public trb urinals, or not
asciilifeform: then, if it's your turn again, and your box answers - it gets displayed
asciilifeform: iirc they do exactly as you might expect, port scan, and if it's your box's turn and you're in, e.g., blackhole, it'll delist
asciilifeform: (entirely blind version num check, they give 0 shit what command set node responds to etc)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu iirc also has at least one, but iirc he's on some year1 version thereof and in fact i have nfi whether it even worx, or he still uses own 'mpb'
trinque: yep, not listed there
asciilifeform: in related noose, there are at least 6 operating trb nodes, and that is just in the heathen catalogue! ( https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99/ ) and only those with default verstring
asciilifeform: 'for your convenience, we have packaged the mutilated cards SEPARATELY!!!!111'
phf: i know mitutoyo, but the joke doesn't quite work with a jp company. "honorable datskovskiy san received boxes 1 through 5 with replica card prints cut to 0.1mm, 0.2mm, 0.3mm, 0.5mm and 0.7mm allowed error margins, that mitutoyo san found presumptuous to include with own humble compliments"
asciilifeform: (i did not call'em up and verify the serial... but the thing worx great, is extremely repeatable)
trinque: I guess this guy was oldfag 90s, figured I was the candidate, and that was more of an initiation rite than filter
asciilifeform: trinque: that is like to say, ' i went to this great bordello...' but then turns out the 'bordello' was own bedroom and the woman -- your wife
phf: asciilifeform: i feel like that point is long past. i mean, in early 2000s you could get away with that. now if person can produce code ~that you can actually use~ you hire them on the spot, make them the cto :D
trinque: asciilifeform: the job was also in my wot
trinque: they paid with a job
phf: trinque: did they pay you for it? ;)
asciilifeform: phf: 'test skillz' inevitably happens on the job, in live fire.
phf: asciilifeform: right, my point is that there are two separate steps. "filter out" and then "test skillz"
trinque: point is projects as evaluations rather than that kind of baseline shit
Framedragger: "work sample tests, motherfuckers"
trinque: wouldn't it be more interesting to give them a problem that implies they know asm ? i.e. there is a robotic arm in a factory, RISC processor, here are the motions it should perform at these intervals
asciilifeform: ditto if you came in to work as reverser and the question sheet asks 'what does 'SHL RAX, 1' do ??'c and you write down some nonsense
trinque: guy screamed at me the whole time asking logic riddles
asciilifeform: nobody cares how quickly you 'helloworld', but if instead you write down 'why should i have to do this, i expected to see a fat offer!!!' the interviewer learns something quite important.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 03:06 mircea_popescu: needless to say this produced "correct" responses through the insufferable avenue of missing out on the problem.
asciilifeform: phf: in my experience the exams are never 'skill test' and always purely binary weedout against http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580234 people
Framedragger: trinque: yeah, hm. i've seen more than one instance on that. i see what you mean. it was basically a case of, from what i gathered, "data sent; waiting for response; not a single byte sent back by server". either because server wasn't http, or some "hang forever, fucker" anti-DoS measure..
phf: it was helloworld, but randomized out of a hat. i think it was a number theoretical problem, like here's a property of a number, write a check for that property
trinque: whether I can code without access to *my* emacs tells someone very little about what I can do with it