mircea_popescu: (in any case the reason that the two haven't merged sooner was that in my head business (ie, dealings in between people) and code (ie, dealings in between machines) were fundamentally separated. but i'm very interested in whether this notion actually stands to scrutiny.)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 18:26 mircea_popescu: but the point of deedbot is to contain signed matter intended for human hands ; it is why the signed matter intended for machine processing is a separate mechanism.
asciilifeform: shinohai: it is everything you theoretically need to make YOUR OWN FUCKGOATS
mircea_popescu: no see, nevermind the practice. of major import here is the possibility that we've obtained a theoretical challenge through practice
shinohai: asciilifeform: is this the `blessed` method for use with fg at moment?
mircea_popescu: but the point of deedbot is to contain signed matter intended for human hands ; it is why the signed matter intended for machine processing is a separate mechanism.
asciilifeform: the reason why, will become apparent to readers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what is the matter with sending to deedbot the item #1 wrapped in a "This is a notarized version of the original root of the so and so project, prepared for this and that etc" ?
asciilifeform: also folx please note that this is NOT identical to the previously posted version (that, note, i never signed)
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: no argument there :D
mircea_popescu: come to the argument with your argument prepared to be argued.
mircea_popescu: man... look here, you throw total shitfit, i repress poor Framedragger to make some space for the discussion, you seamlessly move into vintage lulz and log readings. wth is this.
phf: i think woodcoin is best altcoin. everyone else is going for the whole cyberpunk fastcompany vibe, while these guys are earnestly doing their own thing. it's like an elven technology department, established by young visionaries despite the disapproval of the elders, their servers all run on thermal generators somewhere in the cascadians, etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did i miss the v-item link or ?
asciilifeform: unrelated vintage lel, https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jan/06/cnn-apocalypse-video-nearer-my-god-to-thee
mircea_popescu: they even have an irc chan , it's me and a guy atm.
mircea_popescu: then again, if password is a1rPl4nE as per debian best practices...
mircea_popescu: the dubious part is how exactly it'd pay, the wallet encryption is strong as far as we know.
asciilifeform: didja know we had wallet in there, mircea_popescu ?? because apparently we are monkeys ?
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Office 365 CON : The leading Online Conference for Office 365: <http://www.o365conference.com/>; Office 365 CON 2016 - Infusionsoft: <https://qlm.infusionsoft.com/app/page/ms-office-con-365-2016-tg-web-1>; Office 365 CON 2016 Keynote Sponsor - Infusionsoft: <https://qlm.infusionsoft.com/app/page/ms-office-con-365-2016-tg-keynote>
asciilifeform: in other lulz, meanwhile, ...85.25.214.23 - - [17/Dec/2016:18:00:54 +0000] "HEAD /wallet.tar.xz HTTP/1.1" 301 0 "-" "Opera" "-"..."HEAD /.365coin/365coin.conf HTTP/1.1" .... [and a MB of variations on theme!] ...
mircea_popescu: i'm not working with these vecchi rottinculo!
mod6: Once a solution is realized, I encourage you gentlemen to work together, putting previous disagreements aside.
mircea_popescu: this needs a proper discussion, and the exact reforms/solutions aren't evident yet.
mircea_popescu: mod6 the only q is whether this isn't redundant ; and if it isn't, whether the utility doesn't belie bad design etc.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/12/shinohai-round-up-ready-shitcoin-crop-spoiler-the-crop-is-poo-corn/ << Qntra - Shinohai Round Up Ready Shitcoin Crop (Spoiler: The crop is poo corn)
asciilifeform: (packaging this up for the final posting as we speak)
mod6: ok, cool! then just leave that part out.
asciilifeform: there are no;t.
mod6: if I were him, this is what I would do: take the schematic blob, encode it, clearsign it with a note at the top and a hash of its output value. submit to deedbot. next, edit the code somewhere or prefereably create a README.txt that points to that deed, create a new fuckgoats_genesis.vpatch and fuckgoats_genesis.vpatch.alf.sig on nosuchlabs.com, point to them with your www.
mod6: now. if you need to ship, this instant. you either do what you can, as I did, or you do nothing until you can.
mod6: there may be some better solution to this with deedbot.
mod6: phf: oh i get it. i lead by example with trb on this. there is no good solution here. we do not want blobs in V, and somewhere between a-z you end up with a blob that must get signed along with the vpatches.
mircea_popescu: the part where "please don't make me turn ascii into tarballs" is sensible, just, lets see what he actually is talking about.
phf: mod6: we have the 3rd party signed tarballs, that we can't convert to v because of the binary problem. i think asciilifeform doesn't want to fallback to doing the same with own releases. wants to solve binary problem, or find some alternative solution. there's also been a lot of sentiment here against using sha/sig combination. "sign the thing itself" etc.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller neither of these are "easy" in the sense of windows. you'll have to do research and work the elbow grease to see results.
mircea_popescu: and much cheaper b) make it encrypt the same thing a shitton of times and see if there's any key leakage.
Framedragger: (but i think i got it why you don't want binary tarball - it'd sure be nice to be able to host a plaintext package, with v sigs etc right there. hm. but then why deedbot the *whole* thing - why not deedbot only hashes of tarball version of webthing. make webthing available to view, but also for those who wish to verify via deedbot, too, make tarball available. not pretty, but worx for *now*.)
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the two evident avenues would be a) power differential analysis (ie, see how much electricity it eats, and parasite waveforms it induces). this is amply discussed on web re subverting gpg (eventually they got it to work with mere microphone, but same principle)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: plz to read today's log
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 18:10 asciilifeform: 'Can I re-seal after breaking the center? No. A permanent change is made inside the flash memory of the processor.' << which i can't remove and replace with identical-looking one, containing same procedure, exactly why...?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542450 << this is the only procedure you gave from my grep of the logs...
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1584981 << again, you however expect the nice-readable-plaintext v'd stuff to *be* verified, though?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> v should abolish the idiocy of 'signed tarballs' << it doesn't have to. so far, we don't even have anything of the kind. just vpatches + sigs. 'tis all.
mircea_popescu: if you've internally decided that you won't ship the items until "v demolishes the idiocy of tarballs" we have a problem.
asciilifeform: and that's what i want up on the www.
asciilifeform: it's a motherfucking vgenesis, it's human-readable, AND signed, AND unmutilated, the way it stands
Framedragger not sure why vgenesis must be used here, even though in the future that's the correct ideological pathway, sure. but i'm possibly underinformed and out of my element
asciilifeform: v should abolish the idiocy of 'signed tarballs'
mircea_popescu: you point to deedbot which contains signed tarball. what's the problem ?
asciilifeform: ~obvious~, rather than pryable-apart-if-opposed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's the problem with signed tarball again ?
asciilifeform: this isn't the only problem
Framedragger: what use are they who do not verify anyway? do you expect those who do not verify to verify v sigs?
Framedragger: isn't that their problem, not yours?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ---- except that i can't because apparently we have 0 working infrastructure for actually releasing v code << i disagree with this. what we have, and trb isn't the only one who's done this, is; you make a mirror, and then v.pl deals with this. you grab all the vpatches you want, and the sigs from people you trust, and you place them in v, then you do what you wanna do.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: *for the time being*, can you not hash the package, and deedbot clearsigned hash of package?
deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2016/the-drunken-explorer/ << Daniel P. Barron - The drunken explorer
mod6: what do you propose as the idea solution here?
asciilifeform: i gotta do this BEFORE MOTHERFUCKING CRATE SHIPS
asciilifeform: i don't see any of the available options as 'fit' !!
mod6: then this is a question for trinque; he'll know if deedbot can or can't deal with .sig files.
mod6: are you just trying to clearsign one vpatch then?
asciilifeform: phuctor-3 (the next rev, naturally) will be static html
mircea_popescu: yeh sadmods can't be accessed. maybe just take the loi
asciilifeform: it'll be ~less~ usable unless i can figure out how to make the db work in parallel
mircea_popescu: yes, it still will be, except you gotta put a for loop in the bash!
mircea_popescu: there's 247 unreported in the above figures (going by phuctor's stats page listing 1136 broken moduli atm)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is that yeh
mircea_popescu: except there were 9 today, so it's certainly increasing velocity
asciilifeform: recall, it missed a good chunk of the debian burst
mircea_popescu: in other news, btcbase logs 889 deedbot-reported recent phuctorings since april 30th, or about
mircea_popescu: which is why people never evaluate correctly neither whether they'll drop the vase too ; nor whether the suicidal depressive will actually kill themselves.
mircea_popescu: ie, in world-context the bias is for object ; and in i-context the bias is for subject.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-16 18:18 mircea_popescu: if girl a sees girl b drop a vase girl a thinks girl b is clumsy ; if girl a sees girl a drop the same vase girl a tihnks the vase is slippery.
mircea_popescu: and finally re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1584334 : this isn't an "error" - there is perfectly good reason for the bias (bias is not automatically erroneous!) to flow this way : the event ~happened in the world~. when the event happens in the head, girl a sees girl b feel like a slut, decides girl b is drunk ; girl a sees girl a feel like a slut, decides she is a slut.
Framedragger: (heathen lack of WoT use is indeed frowned-upon and confusing)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 15:16 asciilifeform: in quite other lulz, https://archive.is/Z1ZkJ , https://archive.is/YZkj2
mircea_popescu: the ustards are a selection of people uniquely and colossal-y afraid of dying, which explains most of the psychopathology.
mircea_popescu: (yes, fear of death, in the infantile form thereof is the deep driver behind the pretense of integration "not being a problem", not laziness or anything else.)
mircea_popescu: but this aside, the only reason you're "better" ie different is that you don't know.
mircea_popescu: just, since the transperson is more specified than the any other person, there is also a more accessible route to their doom
mircea_popescu: a transperson is no more or less doomed than any other person ; because, again, the gap is fundamental and can not be bridged.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 15:19 Framedragger: mircea_popescu: so you'd then perhaps say that, maybe, a transperson is doomed to not be able to reconcile i-you and world-you, and it is tragic to that person (but that *pretending* as if one has integrated the two in that instance is very stupid)?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1584892 << i would say that pretending the integration "was already done", as if it were some sort of artefact like an oven rather than a process, like respiration ; or pretending that "someone else" is responsible for it being done (such as don't say word x in front of person y because o noes they're too frail to manage) is pure infantilism.
Framedragger: (yeah, imo its central focal point *is* the whole reconciliation issue, from epistemology point of view)
Framedragger: (hm, maybe you'd not allow for such a term (transperson) in the first place...)
mircea_popescu: back to welt der kunst for a moment : there is this (idiotarian) notion that the role of art is somehow "emotional" and a piece of crap is art if it "evokes" in the viewer. bullshit. the only point of art is exactly as above : if it provides persuasive examples of the nature discussed.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: so you'd then perhaps say that, maybe, a transperson is doomed to not be able to reconcile i-you and world-you, and it is tragic to that person (but that *pretending* as if one has integrated the two in that instance is very stupid)?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform heh. how does it feel to be liek, in the center of a world so blinded by its central greatness it dares not even raise its eyes ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is fundamental, like the ancient art of not shitting in pants
mircea_popescu: i am persuaded that it is correct to hold the ability to reconcile the i-you and the world-you correctly from both perspectives as the one test of maturity of the individual. it is however trivial to empirically prove this is not always possible (which is the deep meaning as well as the intellectual relevancy of tragedy - and which is why the greeks or shakespeare matter, and some nigglet woman does not).
mircea_popescu: xt. there is no "you" that'd allow any sort of ambiguity on this topic whatsoever, and the pretense to the contrary is what makes "socpsy" a non-scientific endeavour on the level of kindergaterners playing with cubes - they're not civil engineers!
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the "world-you/i-you" dichotomy and the nonsensical "fundamental attribution error"/"socpsy" poppycock : the determinations of others as to you are made in the context of world-you, and correct or incorrect in THAT context ; your determinations as to you are made ~at your option~ in the context of i-you, and correct or incorrect in that context ; or in the context of world-you and correct or incorrect in THAT conte
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha, the whole us shebang is very neatly su-inspired.
mircea_popescu: and in other news the argentine cattlehead is the most incredible thing known to man. they literally have no indoor. whether it's 3am or 3pm, whether it's inside a hallway or out in a field somehwere, YOU WILL GET THE SAME BLAST!
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 14:19 mircea_popescu: (moscow psychology is famous for discovering that the city of moscow had the greatest concentration of sufferers of sluggish schizophrenia in teh world!)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1584846 << usa thoroughly beat all of the old records, though iirc they call it some other thing now, see tlp.
asciilifeform: though for starters you can just sign with it 10,000,001 times and probably derive the priv
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 18:40 asciilifeform: if i had time, i'd buy the thing and publicly rape it (differential power probe) but i haven't the time.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 13:56 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: I got an opendime on the way, what should I do re: >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542449
Framedragger: i wasn't even aware that their ghetto currently allowed editing of english wiki articles by unregistered accts
mircea_popescu: wikipedia is under a lot of pressure, very thin hr on the ground
mircea_popescu: anyway, with thanks to Framedragger i contributed a little lulz to their pot : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error#Explanations
mircea_popescu: oh in other news, wikitardia apparently now blocking archive.is
mircea_popescu: " << journaho doesn't know how to compile, therefore imagines source and binary are two separate things, and not in the private-public key relationship.
mircea_popescu: "The bulk of these projects are not provided in source code form and instead appear to be binary files, which further strengthens the hypothesis that these files were compromised from an operational staging post or actively obtained from a field operation. If they had been in source code format then this would suggest an insider leak is more likely, binary files are often used in operations over their source code counterpart.
mircea_popescu: note the "7,894" prices everywhere. because they won't fucking admit it's 10 btc for the life of 'em.
Framedragger: haha! right, yeah. good to keep that in mind. (subconsciously, i think, that's why i abbreviated the term, it's pretty derp.) it's sad that some (actually) useful notions are held under its umbrella (such as FAE, even though, yes, we've probably seen the latter defined elsewhere in other ways, and it's something that self-aware people tend to be conscious about anyway.)
mircea_popescu: (note, incidentally, how EXACTLY the us "liberal" discourse maps on 1920s chief fascist's discourse)
mircea_popescu: (moscow psychology is famous for discovering that the city of moscow had the greatest concentration of sufferers of sluggish schizophrenia in teh world!)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger that said, the whole field of "socpsy" is poppycock, entirely in the manner of "moscow psychology" - it exists to try and justify a, in mussolini's terms, "Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State;" ( http://trilema.com/2013/sex-in-the-news/#selection-105.0-105.64 ). they even admit their "bedrock" is this "fundamental attribution error". they don't however admit that the whole point of this
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 18:11 asciilifeform: gotta love the neverending attempt to make water non-wet.
Framedragger: ah yeah, i missed that the first time as i had to run off, pity.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-16 18:18 mircea_popescu: if girl a sees girl b drop a vase girl a thinks girl b is clumsy ; if girl a sees girl a drop the same vase girl a tihnks the vase is slippery.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 18:09 asciilifeform: 'There are a number of ways to verify the device; first, you can click on a link shown in the index.htm file present on the device. That link includes a signed message, that only an Opendime with access to the private key can generate.' << who wants to buy one of these things and see what the nonces look like.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: I got an opendime on the way, what should I do re: >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542449
Framedragger: and in retrospect, my "/me agrees" was maybe childish, but it wasn't, i must point out, any appeal to kons3nsus. it was more like, "i agree with this point and if anyone has any counterpoints, i'd like to address them, too." something like that.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 13:25 mircea_popescu: id they said nothing or this ? c) the principle "if you're going to say i'm a dog explain why!" is sound, but this is sadly not always possible. an eminent example of a class of cases when this isn't possible is when someone says something in direct and seeming wilful contradiction of logic. d) statements about you by others are statements about the world-you object as perceived by them not about the i-you subject as perceive
Framedragger: as wanna-be rebellious as i sometimes pretend to be, re. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1584820 d), this is maybe clearest way of illustrating what fundamental attribution error (socpsy notion) is, and support it via phenomenological (pardon the tongue) means. i mean, fair enough
mircea_popescu: tom the list, but in any case the admixture's by now explosive there's been so many steps.
mircea_popescu: f get to be su intellectuals ? i'm not saying he is or isn't, it's just not clear. i) why do we think whatever intellectuals do or don't do has any impact on what eventually happens ? j) maybe russians just shed a skin, like reptiles ? their decline was kinda brief and they came out of it with fire under butt, apparently. certainly if you look at "which white man nation has a shot of being still around in 2116" ru doesn't bot
mircea_popescu: this didn't seem worth the evaluation so i passed it) a "pyramid of science" pecking order may well be involved, in the sense that "oh, we learned null sets in kindergarten" and phf's english, while formally fine, does not actually serve him well enough to convey this difference i don't suspect. g) what's "das man" ? h) how did ph
mircea_popescu: d by you. this one true largest gap in the theory of knowledge can not in practice ever be bridged, and must be allowed for. e) i don't understand which of the two examples given is a strawman nor how do the two examples given map to the conversation as it went. f) it seems to me very dubious altogether that there was a pecking order, as in, who's teh greatest lord consideration involved. on 2nd pass analysis (cuz originally
mircea_popescu: id they said nothing or this ? c) the principle "if you're going to say i'm a dog explain why!" is sound, but this is sadly not always possible. an eminent example of a class of cases when this isn't possible is when someone says something in direct and seeming wilful contradiction of logic. d) statements about you by others are statements about the world-you object as perceived by them not about the i-you subject as perceive
mircea_popescu: isuse but not beyond. he's a very poor source to learn new words through practice from for this reason. in any case, some strong statements on the topic'd be that a.1) it's originally a vor ie russian prison system concept ; a.2) there's nothing ever fun about it, nor mirthful ; a.3) roosters and feathers are deeply involved for some reason. b) "only whoever said nothing today said this." is self-contradictory on the face - d
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 05:53 trinque: to diminish nothing of the idiocy of those following right behind.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1584804 << dawg, this in-general commentary style is very confusing to me. parser fails pluriously and compiler identifies the following problems which for your convenience have been packed separately : a) the whole "[lowered into] pederasty" concept is used improperly. given alf's incessant usage this is understandable, but mind that alf tends to very finely abuse terms at the very edge of m
mircea_popescu: he is an engineer. he wants to know, inter alia, what do i do, and knows that "bitcoin isn't mined anymore". it becomes evident from conversation that she's living with him but isn't fucking him, and while the situation is perfectly acceptable to him, it's very tenuous for her.
mircea_popescu: two hours in, the girl being a sweet soul, asked if he might be invited over ? so sure, dude's been playing the dog long enough, let him be invited over.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, and this is truly lulzworthy : raiding party identified hot girl, set up a meet. at this meet it was established a) that she's from novosibirsk! and b) there was this dorky german fellow attached, who literally sat, by himself, at a table nearby while we had drinks and icecream and shit.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-16 18:17 mircea_popescu: what some psychologists then turn around and measure as "integration". but in any case, it's trivially evident that ~the world~ may be good or bad, but not the subject. observable at all scales, from the freeranged girlfriend of your choice to the us propaganda discussing aleppo/mosul.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1584330 << in these terms, statements regarding me (OP is a faggot) cannot be acted upon while retaining selfhood. statements about the world ~can~
trinque: to diminish nothing of the idiocy of those following right behind.
trinque: and if this "skewering the thing that wasn't said, to the great entertainment of das man" was widespread among SU intellectuals, that'd be a fine reason for them to have gone into decline.
trinque: when the former supercedes the latter entirely, I'm out, retarded primates didn't contort their brains enough to think that day.
trinque: pecking order is unavoidable but not nearly as interesting as the actual subject there was.
trinque: the pederasty comment is about the glee with which folks will erect a strawman, ("This is how it's defined." <-> "Why?") vs ("This is how it's defined?" <-> "No it's not.") to fuck, which has more to do with... primate brains, less to do with thinking.
trinque: was giving you the reason for it. justification for "confused" follows the claim, in any "polite company".
trinque: upside of texas beaches being shitty is nobody cares if you get drunk and do donuts on them.
shinohai: I imagine trinque more the baja buggy type?
trinque: if it ran at all I'd offroad the thing until it blew up.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 03:11 trinque: such is the burden of a volkswagen owner.
trinque: such is the burden of a volkswagen owner.
mircea_popescu: trinque i thought your car was on the fritz
mircea_popescu: "there was some disagreement over the true nature of nul lsets, and things went from there". way the fuck better than anything life served me up with.
mircea_popescu: of all the times in my life i had to explain to a sober judge in the morning wtf the fight was about, this'd have easily been my preferred choice
mircea_popescu: honestly i kinda enjoyed the day.
phf: this is the last thing i'm going to say on the matter, if anybody ~else~ has personal issues with me over what transpired i will address those only
phf: trinque: you lost your shit, cause i ruffled your feathers a bit, ~uncharacteristically~ you were ranting, in the popular style of the channel, but without any of the substance. you unrated me literally for busting your balls, the only reason is we're still on speaking terms is because you helped me out with the gpg key issue
trinque: I was going to leave it there. Did you have more nubbins 4th wall breaking in you yet?
mircea_popescu: lol this sounds like the beginning of a beautiful.
trinque: it's on the record. I don't need to make more hay of it.
asciilifeform: i reread the log twice and still at a loss re wtf that was about
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1584282 << I'm seeing that this "lowered into pederasty" thing is as endemic to the russian sphere as elliotism is to the states.
asciilifeform: no seeee it's the world's only bulletproof airplane
trinque: either before or after shot down.
asciilifeform: '...if Trump’s already calling for the cancellation of the Air Force One program, he could just as easily target the F-35 — and that’s a potential disaster for Northern Utah.' << ohnoez, 1,000,001 leeches might starve!
mircea_popescu: but seriously, watching the great unracists trying to sell xenophobia in a desperate-if-doomed attempt to deny their own irrelevance is slightly surreal.
mircea_popescu: is there no room for law abiding everyday americans anymore than you.
mircea_popescu has completed some research, turns out the jewz did nyc and the russkis did trump 2016!
phf: i was saying re senate in the second phrase in reference to hamsters in first phrase, which was in reference to senate in the asciilifeform url, but the phrase itself was top hit for logs, which is referenced in the second phrase as top hit, and in the first phrase as unrelated lulz. how can this be any clearer
phf: trully, хомячки закопошились. in unrelated lulz the phrase top hit is logs
asciilifeform: 'Pay Shield, SIGAINT's Bitcoin mixer, is on separate infrastructure and was in no way affected. SIGAINT's Monero server is on separate infrastructure and was in no way affected. SIGAINT also runs 4 Tor middle nodes in support of the Tor network, these machines are also on separate infrastructure and were in no way affected.'
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/215-press-releases-2016/1460-statement-on-requests-for-additional-information-on-russian-interference-in-the-2016-presidential-election
mircea_popescu: the blamebutton
mircea_popescu: eh im not going there.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1584633 << tried it exactly once because in weird hipster company. they proposed i wait something like i dun recall 40 minutes ? i just called a guy.
BingoBoingo: sync not being done for any great technical reason other than to remind self I'm getting old.
asciilifeform: (shows from where in the vflow is each line)
ben_vulpes will read miner source for the site of this brilliance
ben_vulpes: no then he sent some somewhere?
asciilifeform: and then stopped ?
asciilifeform: how the fuck do you intend to generate a block without any tx
asciilifeform: there's 1 more thing
asciilifeform: 'dun worry, when your lemon dies, you can assemble a new one with parts from other lemons'
BingoBoingo: And we are not talking 80s merc motors unless pete_dushenski, we are talking 90s honda motors of which there are LEGION!
pete_dushenski: as someone who just oversaw ownership of early 2000s lexus is300 that put on 40k km in a year, i'm not sure i'd recommend it unless you're pretty handy. not hard to work on, but parts aren't super cheap, it's a bit dicey in the winter, it's a ~very~ firm ride, and it's soooo hard on consumables (gas and oil).
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: theoretically
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> you're still paying ~= what new auto costs, just more slowly, painfully << Nah at some point you just break up with car and get new $2500 car for another few years.
ben_vulpes: which is particularly amusing, as this stamped material is designed to line up perfectly for the whole run
ben_vulpes: with the new monstrosity abutting the property line next door, i think i've finally bumped carport up on the list of shit to build
pete_dushenski: "Uber relies on location services to ensure safe and accurate rides. In this latest version of the app, you’ll now be asked to allow location information collection from the time you request a ride through up to five minutes after it ends. This helps identify better pickup and dropoff points and helps customer service if you ever need to contact us about a trip. You’ll always be in control over what
asciilifeform: i know a d00d who reassembles '50s 'golden age of usa' autos. has machine shop, and even multiple houses , which he rents out except for garage, in each - keeps 1-3 of these museum pieces
ben_vulpes: theorems to prove, belts to change...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: classic 'gentooist' mistake in thinking: to forget to factor in the costs, not insignificant, of garage space, of time spent dealing with the finicky rusty bucket
BingoBoingo: What about STFU buy used screams rich folk? If 2005-later cars suck the solution is buy older!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: btw the kazakh d00d on junkbay actually has mig engine nao
trinque: the shit works both ways y'see!
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: toyota then. lexus if you sell a million fuckgoats.
ben_vulpes has several hondas, they are precisely this.
asciilifeform: problem is that i dun actually ~like~ 'car ricing'. auto is best when it is forgotten about every day except when there is no way to escape driving somewhere, best when it 'stfus', like one's appendix.
asciilifeform: ' I recently bought a fountain pen. it cost the equivalent of about 1500 throw-away ball pens. 1500 ball pens would have made me very frustrated, but this sleek, elegant pen made me happy.'
ben_vulpes: shinohai: all the more room for cleats and helmets
shinohai: Oh gawd ben_vulpes ... the trunk on those things can sleep 6!
pete_dushenski: http://bringatrailer.com/auctions/ << plenty of solid, well-cared-for metal for under 10k here alf. as the lots cover the continent, you can even make a road trip (blog story!) out of the adventure. also gives you a chance to play autions without playing eulora.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd actually rather have a trabant, if they could be had, at least they were cheap, than these monstrosities that drink petrol like airplane and die without warning in traffic
ben_vulpes: possibly 'lemon' if you can't get in a car and hear mid diff wobble, possibly lemon if you don't do the sale at a dealership and pay 100 for the safety inspection before purchasing, possibly lemon if all sorts of 'civilian'
ben_vulpes: neighbor of mine was whingeing about the cost of the light rail, "o noes it'll never pay for itself" "my man, it got me to move to this neighbhorhood. give it a decade and you'll make the difference up personally with home value increase."
BingoBoingo: Find other alf car candidate https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/cto/5922091027.html
trinque: ben_vulpes: this among the things I miss.
ben_vulpes: trinque: recent 'snowpaclypse' affected me /not one whit/, as i could stroll to the train and be in city center more-or-less on domenad
trinque: PDX is perhaps one of the best places for this.
trinque: if I were in an area with trains I'd go without a car for a while. wouldn't be the first time.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see the earlier 'total cost' point
ben_vulpes: for some, there are few joys like burning petrol with friends.
mircea_popescu: AND these people drive like monkeys on jenkem
asciilifeform: and that's about how many times i leave the house in 2-3 yrs.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: if only you lived back in great ru motherland, you could have perfect post-apocalyptic people's 4x4 : http://www.lada.ru/en/cars/4x4/3dv/tth.html
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: when mine rusts away, i might not even replace it, 20k usd buys a great many cab rides. probably more than i'd need in the 5yrs that a 20k-usd machine costs now.
pete_dushenski: trinque: what has two thumbs and loves the car shopping for other people game ? this guy!
trinque: vw wagon finally gave up the timing chain ghost, also exhaust blew into coolant system
ben_vulpes: what was the last straw?
trinque actually in the market for new vehicle as of yesterday.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: anyways, don't get hung up on initial capital outlay, even if you're thinking of financing. tco (total cost of ownership) is the name of the game. ask ben_vulpes.
mircea_popescu: gotta be moar patriotic, alf. buy gm, help the great again along.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do you get the idea ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Then why seeking 8k new auto
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> eh bull. you've got $8000 hyundai and mitsu shitboxen. << Maybe in Double Norte Americano, but in Single Norte Americano those left in the 1990's << is mexico null norte americano in bb's paradigm ?