phf: fwiw his purple noon is great, i think it even got the trilema treatment?
phf: well french cinema not being entirely corrupted by imperialism was popular in su, so alen delon got the same treatment as other "anekdot" characters.
mircea_popescu: back then, the french were still pretending to be a thing. much in the manner of today's us.
mircea_popescu: anyway - IF there's ever going to be that "radical bioengineering technology" medicine, it starts exactly in these places. gotta first do the 13yo torah reading work. then can be man.
mircea_popescu: (yes, all allergies mean one thing - that you're a degenerate fenotype not fit for life. what can you do ? certainly can't go back in time and whack ytour mother to fuck better drunks.)
mircea_popescu: guess what - if you take your allergies to the doctor he will also not cut into every cell and fix your bad dna
mircea_popescu: patient is indeed not operable in the sense you mean ; but medicine is chiefly a pile of paleatives, not "radical bioreengineering technology"
a111: Logged on 2016-12-20 20:10 asciilifeform: at a certain point, if you attempt the operation, you start to ask 'why is there satoshi crapolade in my bitcoin2.0' rather than 'ooh neato, a repaired trb!'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-20#1586803 << you are attempting the wrong operation, which is the problem. cut where i toldja not where you feelta.
asciilifeform: (in the case of 'provably fair', he can be shown the seed for the prng, but there is NO way for the casino to demonstrate that NO ONE ELSE KNEW it. hence -- just as promisetronic, and now on top of it all braindamage of using prng)
asciilifeform: also it is strange to suppose that a casino player could take a legitimate interest in the rng of the game machine. it is intrinsically promisetronic, he is stuck taking the house's word for it.
asciilifeform: the difficulty is in making something that can be distinguished, in a spot check, from aes(unixtime+salt), by skeptic.
asciilifeform: there are 10,000,001 possible schemes, it is not some titanic open problem.
phf: that's fair, i think we had a thread, when you first started working on this, with various schemes. "use the optics on your iphone" etc.
asciilifeform: given as it is not physically possible to audit an analogue rng in the same sense as one can audit the digital board (i.e. by putting a TB of random through it, and comparing what comes out other end to the expected), i expect that plenty of folks will choose to build their own analogue unit.
asciilifeform: fwiw (and i may have explained it in the past) FUCKGOATS will work with, e.g., a geiger, or anything else that can supply 1/0 signal
phf: i'd imagine in sane world they would have something like FUCKGOATS or an expensive variation of (like john walker's hotbits) so can publish schematics all you want. in reality it is probably a prng with a seed under two keys
asciilifeform: i will also add that tests, for what they're worth, are worth 0 if they are not of YOUR PARTICULAR device which YOU OWN
asciilifeform: and anyone who knows the salt - owns you.
asciilifeform: otherwise it can just as easily be a device that puts current unix time + salt through aes
asciilifeform: gotta have the complete design.
asciilifeform: for some reason the only thing that came immediately to mind is the 'piss_on_patents' flag, or what was it, that you used to have to set on linux box to get mp3 and truetype going
trinque: seems deeply political. what you've got there is a consent bit.
asciilifeform: i gotta wonder, what the euthor of 'pdfminer' was smoking.
asciilifeform: ^ 'official certification' of 'trng' of some poker derps, by some purported 'test lab', scrolled through to see what the submitted hardware was, and it... wasn't. it was a list of java src turds and their file hashes!
asciilifeform: anyway, the relevant lulzbit that spawned this, http://www.pokermira.com/c/ConnectiveGames-RNGEvaluationCertificationLetter1.2.pdf ( http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/QysGU/?raw=true )
trinque: you mayn't remove the fig leaf!1!1!!
asciilifeform: # Check if the document allows text extraction. If not, abort.
BingoBoingo: Leather seats are a thing!
asciilifeform: picture a farm d00d upgrading from horse plow to tractor, who goes to tractor factory to demand that parts of his freshly dead horse be incorporated into the machine.
asciilifeform: at a certain point, if you attempt the operation, you start to ask 'why is there satoshi crapolade in my bitcoin2.0' rather than 'ooh neato, a repaired trb!'
asciilifeform: and then realized that the resulting patch WILL be 50,000 lines, and the output will look ~nothing like trb, and gave up.
asciilifeform: if any (C) is found, it must be sliced apart with a knife until there is no (C)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al : the pill that would be needed to cure the locks retardation once and for all (and enable, e.g., queueing) while preserving semantics, would be to go through each and every function call in trb and determine if it A) Reads state B) Modifies state C) both D) neither
asciilifeform: you will find that it is never less time than it takes to actually verify the block.
asciilifeform: as described on the ml (and linked again last night)
asciilifeform: you can grep your log for 'SetBestChain' also, and likely will find the same thing.
asciilifeform: and yes i end up with multi-GB logs. but they are quite informative.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in so far as it consists of the block processing delay, as described earlier, it does.
asciilifeform: initially idea was that it would be a kind of load balance arrangement, if one were in blackhole state, connections would rout to other. but in the end i did not bother with this, and simply let one hang behind the other, and used the setup simply to observe how 'blackholing' propagates.
asciilifeform: well that'd be the definition of 'preserve semantics'
mircea_popescu: just reallocate the respective pointers mwahahaha.
mircea_popescu: i suspect it can be done by surgery without the two parts ~even knowing~ they're not satoshi-full-bitcoin.
asciilifeform: the one caveat is that this is probably not doable while preserving trb semantics.
asciilifeform: if unsure, eat tx, can always drop it on the floor later.
asciilifeform: but yes, mircea_popescu's algo is The Right Thing
mircea_popescu: anyway. the divorce is required and continuing in the current monolith sheer nonsense.
asciilifeform: and never need other mempool tx.
mircea_popescu: rather than "do it now!"
mircea_popescu: b.blockchain picks up items from received-blocks and verifies them, adding to blockchain if necessary ; picks up items from received-txn, and verifies them, adding to mempool-txn if necessary.
mircea_popescu: b.peer receives items from peers and puts them in received-txn and received-blocks ; both of which are queues.
asciilifeform: and either gets dropped by peer.
tb0t: Project: trb, ID: 35, Type: I, Subject: Investigate blackhole, Antecedents: , Notes: Investigate what might be occuring with the so-called black-hole, described here: btcbase.org/log/2016-12-20#1586635
asciilifeform: queueing is sane but i will point out that from the other side, a node that doesn't answer immediately because it queued, is not distinguishable from one that doesn't answer because it is spinning wheels on block verification.
mod6: !%a trb I "Investigate blackhole" "Investigate what might be occuring with the so-called black-hole, described here: btcbase.org/log/2016-12-20#1586635"
mircea_popescu: business has a secretary and an actual worker ; fast food has a front office and a back office. there's reasons for things wtf.
mircea_popescu: the fact that you need the blockchain part to tell you what tx are to be relayed does not reduce to, you must make it to listen to all comers.
mircea_popescu: nope. blockchain part will get to it when it gets to it, and tell you. until then, peer part builds queues.
asciilifeform: and to do this, you need the entire spittoon.
mircea_popescu: mixing these into a single frail monolith is very much satoshism, but we're not supposed to stick to stupid.
mircea_popescu: the process that talks to peers has ~no business~ knowing anything about the blocks ; the process which maintains the blockchain, verifies blocks etc has ~no business~ talking to peers.
mircea_popescu: at the very least block digestion and peering must be cleaved in trb
mircea_popescu: the miners are pushing block complexity to the maximum possible because hey, more fees ; the cost this imposes on the nodes is not to be discussed because hey, fatso thinks he should matter and stuff.
asciilifeform: (they -- elementarily -- time out)
asciilifeform: while it verifies, the thing sits around being very sad, and ends up losing most of its peers
asciilifeform: 'To Read the Full Story, Subscribe or Sign In' << lel
mircea_popescu: practically speaking, the exact equivalent of "putin did wtc"
mircea_popescu: continuing the floundering sv-tech lulz for a moment, there's https://archive.is/Wdiyj
asciilifeform: or conceivably the described bear trap will actually contain a bear at the end of the day.
mircea_popescu: this butressed on the observation that satoshi code is large and stupidly wrought.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the suspicion is you'll be seeing too much variance to be able to say much definitively
mircea_popescu: myeah. i have no problem with the baruch spinoza approach, esp when eg, dealing with viri etc. but it's not a universal wrench.
asciilifeform: but we would have the culprit, yes.
asciilifeform: whether it is waste of time, is separate question.
mircea_popescu: imo this is a total waste of time ; we won't have the culprit even if we drink the gigabyte swamp. which we needn't be drinking in any case.
asciilifeform: after a few days of this, we have the culprit.
asciilifeform: so we get a snapshot of the, say, 20 minutes of tcpdump prior to node entering blackhole state.
asciilifeform: at the same time, tcpdump is running
asciilifeform: then we know. blackholed.
mircea_popescu: just keeping track of the binary star is already a huge thing.
asciilifeform: the necessary experiment is i think quite obvious and i do not need to describe it in detail.
asciilifeform: something that comes down the wire. precisely what, i do not yet know.
mod6: oh that's not it then asciilifeform? this is helpful, please continue to describe.
ben_vulpes: during which the node is ~entirely unresponsive
ben_vulpes: mod6: no, the thing where either a shitty network client or some joker opens sockets and lets them expire, eating 60 seconds of the loop through each peer to service
asciilifeform: mod6: trb isn't multithreaded in the, e.g., apache, sense. it services clients round-robin style, and if it gets stuck at any point, this is what you get
ben_vulpes: i don't expect to be able to make an rpc call while the node is looping through its list of peers and get 'the right' peer shat out
mod6: im not sure that is helpful... are you discussing how the client just seems to have no peers after some period of time?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i mean when the node is running through 'accepted connection' 'socket no message in first 60 seconds'
mircea_popescu: to think the dork actually claimed he is "slightly more productive on linux than windows". satoshi never fucking as much as saw a posix compliant box.
asciilifeform: it is atrocious design, as is the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, bitcoin 2.0 has no room for this serial nonsense.
asciilifeform: which potentially changes the semantics of EVERYTHING
mircea_popescu: yes but this doesn't answer if the idiocy is naturally ocurring so much
asciilifeform: (it is idiotically serial and the entire thing locks, won't respond to rpc commands, etc)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-20#1586638 << i was able to reproduce a very similar effect. simply throw blocks at a node that don't fail verification until the very end.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i've been rereading period warnings about myself, it's been rather pleasant.
ben_vulpes: but i mean blackholing as artifact of some other poorly written client, instead of script opening sockets to trb nodes
mircea_popescu: but in general there is no such thing as an unwanted pregnancy. for the attack to exist, the client has to be "retarded".
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so listen, the important thing here is, have you managed to reproduce the "blackhole" in an isolated system ?
mircea_popescu: there isn't any space, or any need, or anything else for these fucktards today anymore than there was in 1996 or in 1976. they know it today like they knew it then, and they're lying about it (to themselves, mostly) then as now because they know that's exactly all they can do. who's gonna hire pmarca ? to do what ? who has a job for zuck ?
mircea_popescu: at which juncture it should probably be reminded to the general public that the pmarca schmuck is ... known, let's say, for one of the first ~web browsers~. ie, the shit soup to end all shit soups, exactly like "spreadsheets" and whatnot except to the power of nine thousand.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski speaking of which - i didn't use "spreadsheets" like the fucking usg tards ( http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/ ) or for that matter wordperfect 5.1 ; nor did i have any use for a pdf maker. the whole article came out of an awk and a sort
pete_dushenski: 0.004% of the time input for the same ~quantity~ of output, nevermind the clearly superior quality, usefulness, applicability to the real world.
pete_dushenski: compare and contrast the time inputs too : 4 years x 4 researchers = 12 page report (vs) .0003 years x 2 researchers = 12 page report.
mircea_popescu: it's not even detailed ; but at least it's not idiocy on the level of nature mag science mag etc.
mircea_popescu: ~everyone said the same thing "holy shit this is detailed".
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: internet census is right up there eh ? the irony of that one little study making such a dent in a world awash in 'data' and 'research' where n=43 is otherwise sufficient grounds for public policy decisions... never fails to amus.
pete_dushenski: accordingly, exactly like shakespeare, there are 'movements' to remove wilson from names of ivy league buildings.
mircea_popescu: applies to the nigger of today precisely, at that.
pete_dushenski: trinque: that houston truck looks like it was headed either to or from a gulf refinery. pretty sweet assplosion. and ya, gotta ditch the ff!
mircea_popescu: unpracticed in liberty, unschooled in self control, never sobered by the discipline of self support, never established in any habit of prudence
insolent and aggressive, sick of work, [and] covetous of pleasure. << heh.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski top 3 on trilema this month consists of something from 2012 and something from 2010 + the internet census. so... yeah.
pete_dushenski: heh sure why not. but i love when old blog posts still stir the pot. it's even more satisfying than when the hot-off-the-presses sheets light some pubes on fire.
mircea_popescu: eh get out of there, it's prolly marc andreesseen being all typically-fatso.
pete_dushenski: if you mean the latest mpex debate as referenced in 'what lasts forever', ya the leclerc (pankkake?) feller and i had a little back-n-forth
mircea_popescu also stumbled on recent comment section reading it, apparently there's a whole debate etc.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the latest bit is easily your best piece yet. people generaly hated because yes, throughout the lenghty process you sounded ~like every other jew boy reading the torah for bar mitzvah, ie, ridiculous. but insistence pays off, and now i dun have to groan when reading your stuff, which is a welcome change indeed.
mircea_popescu: anyway, selected butthurt from a flury of whining from back in 2014 when icahn told the fatso a few things : https://archive.is/jLZ1Z
mircea_popescu: or in general, by the piles and piles and piles of failures of this utterly failed generation.
mircea_popescu: incidentally - nothing is said about how marc andreesseen had to be rescue-married into old wealth to maintain the pretense of relevancy cca 2006 ; nor how zuckerberg's ~only noteworthy initiative (free basics, trying to turn the third world web into a sort of apple store) utterly failed, rejected EVEN BY INDIA
asciilifeform: popes are, on some level, people also, theoretically.
mircea_popescu: apparently this is obvious even to the pope of usgistan
asciilifeform: 'The raw power of computers has advanced at a stunning speed, but has this advance translated into a comparable improvement in their usefulness? Word processing, to take the most obvious example, hasn't fundamentally improved since the late '80s. And in the view of many people I know, WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS was actually better for their purposes than any of the bloatware that has followed.'
mircea_popescu: https://web.archive.org/web/19980610100009/www.redherring.com/mag/issue55/economics.html << in other lulz, krugman calling out marc andreessen & friends for being frauds and failures.
mod6: meanwhile, i stumbled across this SoBA that references the tabling of the checkpoints patch: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000041.html
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> btw mod6 ben_vulpes trinque re the whole db/fs etc discussion, anyone recall the symlinks method / proposed tests ? << yah, im trying to dig this up now actually.
mircea_popescu: and in perhaps unrelated lulz : last year, the romanian supreme court struck down the "because the company filed a criminal complaing against the employee" cause for terminating employment. yeah, you read that right. the reason given was that due to social importance blabla, employment ~must be protected from arbitrary decisions~.
mircea_popescu: that said, /me wishes teh very best to the actual ugandan children. oppressed as they find themselves under hermetically sealing, thick and numerous layers of dedicatedly-imbecile adults, it'd be a wonder if anything comes of them. but - all the better for all those who do make it in such conditions.
mircea_popescu: in short, it's not that the stupid whore gets fucked by this bad smelly bully all the time. it's that they're married, and she regularly chooses him. and they'll have to burn together, there's no rescuing to be done in this film.
mircea_popescu: oh yes - chased the freenode idiots for year + back in 2012/2013 trying to give them servers. they - EXACTLY LIKE THESE OTHER IDIOTS - to the fucking t, never got the servers. then a few months later were "suspiociously hacked" and "will publish report" then neverp ublished any report and then went full nsa, which is where we're now.
mircea_popescu: and in general this exactly mirrors everything - we tried to work with gpg turns out gpg doesn't want to work, not WITH anyone, it actually does not want to work, at all. ditto for the ssh. ditto for everyone and everything.
mircea_popescu: this exactly mirrors me using planeshift code for eulora, did token gesture towards planeshift people, they be EXACTLY as idiotic as blender people in exactly the same way, so as a result /me is having the code refactored and will not work with them
mircea_popescu: this a few months before they decided to only support python 3, showing the soundness of that strategic decision.
mircea_popescu: tl;dr : me uses blender for eulora, originally wanted to work with the blender people, and as a "first gesture" sorta thing tried to make a donation. blender people turned out even more batshit insane than anyone could have imagined, which resulted in smg deciding to fork blender and not support their idiotic foundation
a111: Logged on 2015-06-24 21:05 mircea_popescu: punkman because a) when i first asked, their idea was "buy a mug" ; b) the link i finally fished out did not include any reference either i or fluffypony found (see it in logs) - they have A DIFFERENT unlinked page for this purpose
mircea_popescu: i suppose it isn't to be a surprise that in a world where the doctor expects you to pay him for him to do what ~he~ feels ; and the lawyer is strictly shocked that his position as counsel is STRICTLY to do all the legwork you don't feel like doing and absolutely not to do any of the cool management stuff, cuz you're paying and you're gonna be eating that - the charity dudes similarly expect nsa oodlebunches of moneyz
mircea_popescu: it's funny how the actually useful stuff, such as "put the fucking bitcoin address on google's homepage already, you dork!" somehow "accidentally" never fucking happens.
mircea_popescu: myeah. if you absolutely want comment i'd point out that wtf "charity", the guy on the ground in uganda isn't even in the wot ; and wtf arrogant google developers shouldn't be entertained, but really there's no problem with trying and whatever.
davout: except for the fingers i guess
davout: the goal was "let's have the dude put a BTC address on vim's splash screen directly", which obviously went nowhere
mircea_popescu: i thought it was some gypsy who lost a finger through the unlikely avenue of filling a caravan full of papier-mache flowers and then using gasoline for lube when fucking his 16yo wife.
mircea_popescu: some tardstalk thread where you were trying to support the google / ex-vim's guy charity.
mircea_popescu: jurov dude may i just not know everything to the level of l0 cache here for a minute!
mircea_popescu: "You like vim? Donate to Bram Molenaar in BTC and help kids in Uganda" da fuck is this then
davout: if someone is interdasted in buying the balance of 13UUaGK8ZDLxjY7RYu2bKEabqjww2KDyxD by wiring EUR to Bram Molenaar's ICCF lemme know
mircea_popescu: btw mod6 ben_vulpes trinque re the whole db/fs etc discussion, anyone recall the symlinks method / proposed tests ?
trinque: GOTTA CLEAN THE TAINT
trinque: incidentally pete_dushenski, my brother was having the same sort of reaction. in his case, it was tetracycline for acne (you know, instead of being unamerican and laying off the fast food) having nuked his gut flora.
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R15NKrGrb3c << made it halfway through contravex before switching to watching these
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1586383 << http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/XDTr8/?raw=true ; note that i use the wrong command `getmempool' (line 8587), and that my rpc command of `getmemorypool' doesn't show up at all in the log, but some thirty seconds after the bogus `getmempool' the blackhole symptoms kick in
ben_vulpes: which puts anyone involved with Nature specifically and US 'STEM' in general in line for the noose
ben_vulpes: crime 2: isn't this actually evidence that poor hispanics drug their kids more than anything else?
ben_vulpes: not that STEM even is salvageable from the imperial ruins, riddled with nsa stoolies like koch, overfitters like mann and the entirety of 'social sciences'
ben_vulpes: "we just can't handle the notion of a space where some people's suckitude is actually a barrier to their self-identification as 'a part of a thing'"
ben_vulpes: https://freenode.net/news/PSA-brief-update-infra << 'sekuridee measures have been instigated!' oh good thanks exactly what i want, a riot in the dc
ser: I'm sure he's some ether
ser: Ether's a real definition of crap
ser: This is cool https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/12/19/security-alert-12192016-ethereum-org-forums-database-compromised/
asciilifeform: (why the 'rainin' pipette ran on them, i have nfi to this very day, ask the french not me)
asciilifeform: funnily enough, at my first paying jerb i used up dozens of these batteries, electric pipette ran on'em, and i had nfi why they were interesting other than 'bitch to get'
asciilifeform: which afaik no other battery does.
asciilifeform: and the bugger runs a-ok at -55C.
asciilifeform: afaik they don't exist.
asciilifeform: the loose-hanging wires - were attached to logic analyzer, which had to visit bench in other room when this pic was taken.
asciilifeform: (the fat connector is a chained jtag for handy simultaneous reflash of both yoked units)
mod6: alright, good enough for the moment.
mod6: yeah. ok, it merits a ticket in the project.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 that "separate config file" references what i recall as a previous discussion. << aha, now i recall. I think the suggestion was that one could, from a config file, turn checkpoints on or off, or add new ones if they wished.
mod6: also, iirc around the same time there was much ado about the wedge @ 168`001 or whatever it was... but that turned out to be the database locking issue.
a111: Logged on 2015-06-24 18:15 ascii_field: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: can anyone recall why http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20141218/bitcoin-v0_5_3-rm_checkpoints_41327b9a962e6d27869f4d361d742ab5c7061ede.5.patch didn't make it in ?
mod6: and it kinda continues from there, so worth a bit of a read
a111: Logged on 2015-06-24 18:31 mod6: ascii_field: re: checkpoints: the patch worked fine to remove checkpoints, but it was tabled for the time being. the main discussion around this was that it could be helpful to hvae checkpoints in there to prevent spamming of blocks from timestamps before a checkpoint.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but a raid controller that is made-for-our-purpose, and part of the whole stack all the way to db...
asciilifeform: it's the correct way to use'em
mod6: <+davout> did we just add tmsr-db on the todo? << there is a ticket for this: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_tickets.html#6
mircea_popescu: tbh, if the "hdd" is correctly constructed (out of ssds, blockchain is the killer problem for ssds) then it should be so fucking fast...
mod6: <+asciilifeform> the one caveat that i can think of is that it may very well turn out to be unusably slow (as in, >10min block verify), on anything but reiser. (if there even.) << would be great to start experimenting with this in '17
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> and so we are back to the original bitcoinfs. << aha
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes iirc the discussion at the time ended with me pointing out it should be made arbitrary to user's choice. << there was a whole public discussion on this at the time. and at that point, i backed away from it.
asciilifeform: 'cheap' in the antique comp business means in practice 'everyone who wants, has'. as, e.g., 'commodore 64', vs, say, lispm.
asciilifeform: ( most famously, smbx lispm was findable for a few hundy during a very brief burst when amex flooded the market with theirs, which had been replaced with java shitware )
mircea_popescu: no, i mean the kind of cheap you're talking about, "oh, soy is cheap and gold is expensive". volumes scale, soy is sold in the ton and gold in the ounce. there's no "cheap" ; if it's 20 a pop you bundle 1k together.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "cheap" in business.
asciilifeform: though i can think of a few exceptions ( transport for, e.g., cray, or connection machine - and yes, i knew a d00d whi bought connection machine! is not easy or cheap ) -- generally old hardware of the interesting sort ( vs everybody's old 386 ) is cheap
mircea_popescu: especially if a) the piece is actually useful as opposed to curio and b) it's being sold for scrap by the imperial idiots.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i mean that if some guy who is actively developing for some iron is shying away from buying a piece because he only has part of the money i'd consider cutting a deal.
mircea_popescu: (obviously what he's trying to do is speculate the cluelessness of english speakers, but whatever, we already know the guy's an utter shithead.)
asciilifeform: these expired some time around ivan 4.
mircea_popescu: you know, the original russians, before the mongols came, flattened them and some random upstarts in some ravine further up north found themselves about in the position of argentina in 1950.
asciilifeform: the one full of ukrs? or the other one, that wasn't even any colour of ukr whatsoever until idiot hruschev redrew the map.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion that russia was at some point popular in the ukraine is utterly insane. when was this exactly, i don't get it, before or after the muscovy went to space ?
mircea_popescu: random fun fact : no matter how you turn the ~50bn worth of us resources & materiel shipped to the allies in ww2 into "present day shitollars", it still doesn't come ANYWHERE NEAR what the defeat in the middle east cost.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 23:23 danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1586263 << i'm trying to get eulora working on some new machines, they came with video cards, official nvidia driver doesn't work on latest linux kernel, (works fine on older kernel) but somehow this is nvidia's fault for not releasing a free fix every time someone comes up with another way to make a driver stop working
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1586393 << this is actuyally a very valid complaint ; i'm not necessarily proposing the finn's right.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1586388 << ideally more of a lend-lease sort of deal than simply warehousing the parts though.
asciilifeform: something other than version?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: doesn't force-load either ?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 20:16 mircea_popescu: writing drivers is two things : a) write the fw ; or b) call nvidia faggots on a mailing list.
pete_dushenski: hanbot: right you are, my dear. thank you for being the proverbial alert reader! 2016 year-in-review now updated to include resolution of courts circus competition.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 20:30 mircea_popescu is open to financing some degree of old hardware buying for share in ownership. re the above g5 sort of thing.
ben_vulpes: either that or blackhole?
ben_vulpes: i think that i just crashed my node asking for the memory pool.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i, for one, do not know the answer
asciilifeform: they take ~only~ coinbase?!
asciilifeform reads on, in sidebar, 'Dec 13: For your Bitcoin payments, remember that we need the Coinbase transaction ID in order to track your deposit. We encourage you to write down that ID to avoid delays in your Bitcoin payment processing. Thanks for your comprehension.'
asciilifeform: or the dozen hieroglyphic crapolades.
asciilifeform: i think that is the longest list of spampaypals-and-demonstratively-not-bitcoin i've seen since 2009.
mircea_popescu: also an ~incredible~ point in case of how ustardian brain damage actually works. the very idiots that advertise captcha breaking... use captcha!
trinque has at least two phrases branded on his mind by the republic
asciilifeform: davout: there can be >1. in fact, if we're ever down to 1, it is trouble.
mircea_popescu: trinque i am saying - depending on exactly what one's life goals etc are ; running a warehouse full of old iron bought on the cheap is a very reasonable lifestyle choice.
mircea_popescu is open to financing some degree of old hardware buying for share in ownership. re the above g5 sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: because there's no functioning religion without a strong ascetic line.
asciilifeform: of course this all comes with a very real risk of turning into theo de raadt and moving into a cave, muttering, wearing hair shirts, sleeping in coffin
trinque: and an xserve on the way
asciilifeform: for a while, local uni surplus here was selling g5 monsters (big iron things) by the pound
asciilifeform: it was the closest thing to what i want.
mircea_popescu: to work on all the consumer
asciilifeform: particular, yes, to the card.
mircea_popescu: think for a moment what immense pile of varying switches the other approach would be like.
asciilifeform: has whole motherfucking os.
asciilifeform: yes, the pxe boot rom.
asciilifeform: i studied the one in coreboot
asciilifeform: (e.g., the one in linux. or bsd. or mac.)
asciilifeform: so they are of 0 interest to me.