mircea_popescu: cool, then i'ma wriote the reply to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-02#1595237 there too and that way Framedragger won't know what i said about his comment!
Framedragger: We think that Key Escrow is a Bad Thing; however the user should have the freedom to decide whether to go to prison or to reveal the content of one specific message without compromising all messages ever encrypted for one secret key. DON'T USE IT UNLESS YOU ARE REALLY FORCED TO DO SO."
Framedragger: "Display the session key used for one message. See --override-session-key for the counterpart of this option.
Framedragger: (but then, duplication different cache layers != "general gpu cache for everyone yolo!1")
a111: Logged on 2017-01-02 18:21 mircea_popescu: rather than everyone just using the cache like it were a gpu
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-02#1595160 << right! (well, some duplication is not bad in itself - os can be dumb about higher-level cache but may want something for optimising/aligning disk i/o and so on. but this sometimes leads to complexity it appears, and may be unwanted in the first place (e.g. in phuctor)...)
Framedragger: (and according to .kr banks, have a few people sit at table and literally stare at teams, making notes. such conservative bank, hasn't changed them into robots yet)
pete_dushenski: i'm no hackathon expert (perhaps Framedragger or others can corroborate) but if i wanted eulora hackathon results i'd set up a meatspace booth, get red bull to sponsor, and invite teams.
BingoBoingo: And their lives had become unmanageable http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4079616/Some-people-won-t-having-happy-new-year-Carnage-streets-Britain-revellers-2017-boozy-night-no-one-s-wrapping-warm.html
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/01/the-story-of-2016-socialist-butthurt/ << Qntra - The Story Of 2016: Socialist Butthurt
pete_dushenski: esp. when discussing aesthetics. seriously.
pete_dushenski: i always have to laugh whenever some review writer says "objectively speaking... etc etc". dude, wtf are you on about ? did your parrot tell you to say that ? jeez louise this is science for the people is it.
mircea_popescu: somewhere it will occur to someone that in a model where men have the run of the land, hunting for beasts to eat and fuck, an amassing of domesticated cattle in the shape of symbolic "goats" (which you can both eat and fuck, and in practice would be mixes of women, cows, whatever) will result in a very divergent approach : men hunt across the land for resources and women hunt across their backs for fleas.
mircea_popescu: in proper terms, "we conclusively show that once reality is replaced by propaganda, nominal increase in food prices as well as nominal decreases in poverty may be claimed to have occured simultaneously. such is the power of rejecting the cold equations in favour of other views that are more nurturing of the mental processes that are most important to us."
pete_dushenski: in other news, "In this article World Bank poverty estimates are used to systematically test the relationship between changes in poverty and exogenous changes in real domestic food prices. We uncover indicative evidence that increases in food prices are associated with reductions in poverty, not increases."
pete_dushenski: thanks! putting these kindergarten compsci classes and node set-up skills to use. slowly making progress!
pete_dushenski got goosebumps when eulora 'came to life' late last night as it was first game he's ever compiled from source on linux box or otherwise.
mircea_popescu: mine are in ~/src/client/foxybot ; i expect unless specified otherwise you just put them in there
mircea_popescu: oh oh , the latest foxybot. hm.
mircea_popescu: its built in with the latest version
pete_dushenski: the only thing in setting up eulora that i haven't figured out yet was where the foxybot code goes.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-06-05.log.html#t00:20:21 << this is how i ended up with the idea lol.
pete_dushenski: also 'laocoon' (62.113.203.216) is down for maintenance until further notice. upgrading hardware.
pete_dushenski: btw who manages the eulora wiki ? it's very well done and i might just suggest that the ubuntu instructions be updated slightly ('cs-forupload' instead of just 'cs')
trinque: a better temporary fix is to just have the command write the file if absent, going with that to keep permalinks
trinque: imma flip it back to the old way for now. I need to finish some things with that site generator. one sec.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger in general the problem is present, caching on a different level than the application creates complex problems.
Framedragger: re. latter, yes postgres doesn't instruct, apparently it's efficient on bulk writes that way, as the os can use its own cache to optimize the write order etc..
jurov: and some databases (afaik not postgres) instruct the OS to not cache data by using O_DIRECT flag
jurov: Framedragger: hard to have sophisticated cache algorithm when apps are black boxes, it usually backfires (there's very bad worst-case)
Framedragger: random sorta-cs'y question: are there any os-level cache implementations which make use of clock sweep (or something more sophisticated), cf. just simple LRU? (reading about caching strategy in postgres and possible duplication of data blocks at postgres cache level + os cache level).
mircea_popescu: lol in other news, "a night's progress" : http://68.media.tumblr.com/79eb8dcbb8a6ec6befdf0d116fbc56ed/tumblr_o0w2oyJIGI1ugf63bo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/33-ways-your-boyfriend-is-micro-cheating-and-totally_us_585996dde4b068764965b8a8 << in other lulz, micropenis microcheats!
mircea_popescu: and in other early morning news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/30d2c3fe596693e7a3fb95997a12ad0f/tumblr_obyslrVlsT1v64ymho1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/F7Q5I << "died on May 12, 2002 at the age of 22[2] due to complications from gastric bypass surgery[1] stemming from his weight problems."
mircea_popescu: and in other news from that mythical africa, http://68.media.tumblr.com/ae4352fe8af9f46aa422fd9bd4dd8a8c/tumblr_ocf78dWUKe1vs4rsbo1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo reading the novel formerly called Disgrace which I shall call "Africa: Country For Old MEN, and by MEN we mean Petrus" can't help but think poor dumpy Bev ought to take Dave Lurie as Bev's wife
a111: Logged on 2017-01-01 05:18 mats: i wonder who will be the first person here to get a tmsr related LEO visit
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-01#1595034 << i thought BingoBoingo already ? << Aha, http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/
mircea_popescu: we don't have the prerequisites for useful miner discussion anyway.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-01#1595094 << wallet needs to be fixed, which yes reduces to not much reuse of the current item, but you can't have trb without a means to pay. the miner is iffier business, and really i can't conceive why it'd be a priority. let it be, do useful things besides.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-01 12:59 BingoBoingo: In other webstats: "an article that "has done more for Smalltalk advocacy than any other article in memory." It was the second-most popular article of the year on the Hewlett Packard Enterprise site TechBeacon (recently passing 20,000 views)," << lol
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-01#1595079 << back when numbers vaguely related to people. the sort that could read. and write.
mircea_popescu imagines davout wantering into warzone, going "pfff do they ever stop with the fireworks'
a111: Logged on 2017-01-01 05:18 mats: i wonder who will be the first person here to get a tmsr related LEO visit
a111: Logged on 2017-01-01 00:23 mats: in my view, the state doesn't have any business in regulating marriage at all
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-01#1595005 << this is equivalent to stating that in your view the state has no business existing. which is strictly correct ; but not something the state is ready to yet embrace.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-01 00:09 mod6: State Of Bitcoin Address [December]: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-January/000244.html
mircea_popescu: aaand with that we're done. http://trilema.com/2016/a-novel-once-called-disgrace/ for they interested.
jurov: !!deed http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20170101/attachment.txt?sha1=054f90b71ea58b51b3dd37774b495d5f7e85afee
davout: menawhile, the fireworks are resuming here
trinque: the whole neighborhood was covered in smoke last night like the feds finally dropped bombs.
davout: asciilifeform: genesis is the reference, keepring it around is a whole different story
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/disgrace-the-dogs-are-brought/ << Trilema - Disgrace - The dogs are brought
asciilifeform: but it is the ~reference~.
asciilifeform: and yes the built-in wallet is junk.
a111: Logged on 2015-02-03 02:31 asciilifeform: but idea being, if dropped on alpha centauri with the RI, ought to be able to start using bitcoin immediately
a111: Logged on 2017-01-01 10:33 davout: ben_vulpes: can you point me to the thread where "keep the miner in trb" was discussed?
BingoBoingo: In other webstats: "an article that "has done more for Smalltalk advocacy than any other article in memory." It was the second-most popular article of the year on the Hewlett Packard Enterprise site TechBeacon (recently passing 20,000 views)," << lol
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/disgrace-the-whole-day-lucy/ << Trilema - Disgrace - The whole day Lucy
ben_vulpes: imma finish this phf-inspired patch and fix the miner
ben_vulpes: get in there
davout: in other news imma sink some time in documenting the merciless wallet code excision that I think is the right(tm) approach for TRB
ben_vulpes: davout: i thought like 5 people lived there
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-01#1595029 <<< try living i a country where you could almost buy dynamite sticks in the same shop as the barbecue meat
asciilifeform: perhaps asciilifeform , ben_vulpes , other usaschwitz inmates, left alive as a kind of insult.
asciilifeform: iirc this is in the logz somewhere, and uninspiring
asciilifeform: nono, was land line , asked by name, and in a place where there was no official record of my being inside
mats: figures it's alf in the running
ben_vulpes: mats: odd in that - somewhat secured lot, by far the least enticing vehicle in it (nothing on the seats in stark contrast to next car over), window smashed, lock popped, nothing taken
ben_vulpes: whocoodanode he'd buy the republican party
mats: aren't there a lot of addicts where you are, what's odd about a car burglary
a111: Logged on 2015-12-20 20:26 jurov: they're not pathological, just black swans. with a toupee.
mats: probably the first one to convert to islam
mats: i wonder who will be the first person here to get a tmsr related LEO visit
mats: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/31/turkey-armed-attacker-opens-fire-in-istanbul-nightclub-reports watch out for santas
phf: u.s. suburbia and thereabouts are typically dead on new year's
mats: in my view, the state doesn't have any business in regulating marriage at all
mats: it will reportedly involve amusing changes to public documents, e.g. passports, textbooks in public schools, where folks are now 'parent one' and 'parent two' instead of father/mother
mod6: State Of Bitcoin Address [December]: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-January/000244.html
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/12/shinohais-2016-end-of-the-year-shitcoin-roundup-xtend-tmr/ << Qntra - Shinohai's 2016 End Of The Year Shitcoin Roundup Xtend (TM)(R)
trinque: it is the empty set that explodes in circles in my mind, not that I deny that it must be named first. that the definition of all things has void as a dependency induces virtigo when looking out at the world.
mircea_popescu: reality diverges much more slowly thay representation. but this inequality offers no challenges to the validity of either reality or representation. they are what they are, they do what they do.
mircea_popescu: when you first expand your sex life to include a woman, you vividly remember her, and everyhing, minute detail. and once it further expands to include two, still. and three, and slightly dimmer four. by six its growing steadily dimmer, and maybe by the 7th is the first time you start losing track of them.
mircea_popescu: fortunately, mathematics is simple. V is the set of all sets. by convention, the first index, V0, is the empty set.
trinque: no, and I perceive that proceeding further will require more than a casual understanding of mathematics.
mircea_popescu: are you familiar with the von neumann set ?
mircea_popescu: and it just goes on from there, "the real number 4 is the root of polynomials in my daily life and so i believe in it ; but the number 4+i priviledges the properties of abstract spaces over things much more important to us and therefore...i do not consent to its existence." hurr.
mircea_popescu: and on the other hand, "the number four told me to headbutt a door!". really, it did ? i suppose, perhaps, if the number four is followed by a double-sifr and occurs on your blood test result sheet right where the locals wrote "glucemia" it may be said "the number four told me to stop eating icecream", but it is rather forcing the point.
mircea_popescu: and in this perspective, arguments as to the existence of gods become truly amusing. even in a world in which, through some strange workings of happenstance, no set of four items did in fact exist, nor ever had, and supposedly never will... there's also no number 4 ?
trinque: I would say then that I have something political signified by the symbol god in my table, and have no allocated term for the other thing
mircea_popescu: apollo the symbol strives to mark down the discovery of apollo the god, much like ٤ stives to mark down the number 4. you wouldn't know it to look at the poor thing, but it is what the ~actual~ arabic numeral for a set of four items looks like.
mircea_popescu: but to continue, is the number 4 like that, one man made, another perceived ? how about fire ? was fire invented, like "the united states of america", like any fine story ?
asciilifeform looks forward to the demolition of koch-pgp.
mircea_popescu: "i gotta borrow trinque for a minute. i scrubbed the expiry off my pgp key, which of course makes a new pubkey even if it is the same modulus as before" not "i gotta borrow trinque for a minute. i have a refreshed (nonexpir) pubkey as of 5 min ago"
asciilifeform: trinque: please do inspect mine or any other such key, also good habit.
mircea_popescu: now do me a favour and also deliver the habit of sorting what you say in order of node importance!
asciilifeform developed through deliberate effort the habit of 'read whole thing before spewing chunks'
asciilifeform: just scrubbed the expiry, because i am tired of doing this every new year.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your plan on transfer of authority among keys relies on what exactly ? an unnanounced, ad hoc scheme whereby the weakest link is your continued voice in chan ?
mircea_popescu: "but they're both written down with letters". so what if they are. if i shoot an hour of a woman fucking half a dozen men, thereby i've constructed a woman ?
trinque: I'm saying a man creates "apollo" the symbol as an act of will
mircea_popescu: they're different concepts, they do different things, what sort of code results from randomly switching if and for calls around ?
mircea_popescu: how's this unlike there being an equivalence between if and for ?
trinque: I suppose for now there is an equivalence between god and golum in my perhaps thick skull
trinque: as all gods of which I'm aware are written (willed) narrative, there's an interesting membrane there
asciilifeform: there are now 2 identical (though not, at this moment, synchronized) phuctrons
asciilifeform: i read the whole thing , to date, while waiting for massive megaturd of phuctor to pump over to this half of the planet so i could rebuild working model of entire thing here in my torture room
asciilifeform still boggled over the dog-woman in mircea_popescu's tale
asciilifeform: howthefuck would i know what is meaningful to sheep(le)
mircea_popescu: the answer doesn't have to be correct, moreover can't even be. it helps the bleating kids if it is meaningful. to them.
mircea_popescu: the brightest minds among the sheep in classics class will ask why, when apollo's arrows rained on them, did not the victims shoot him back ?
mircea_popescu: man, thinks and therefore is, artifact, willed therefore here, but god is here before any will, and its being outside the possible scope of any will. which is why the ancient literary convention of the hero's journey : gods can't change. they don't give up smoking.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-31 06:54 davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594446 <<< i'm confused, isn't the 8-ball a set of factors that you multiplied into the running product, and for which 're-running' makes little sense, as being already present in the global factors product?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594814 << bernstein's algo does not use a running global product. see his 'finding the smooth parts of integers'.
mircea_popescu: the golumn also doesn't consciously anything, which is why dogs jack off but golums do not.
trinque: it may just be an internal bias of mine that these people couldn't have ever consciously designed anything
mircea_popescu: to be a god they must have purpose without purpose ; both observably and demonstrably the Central Committee (which is what this is) do not.
mircea_popescu: in any case, no, the clay colossi are all that - machinery, golums.
mircea_popescu: i would say it is improper, because the fundamental quality of a god is that it's not constructible, much like no woman ever came in the shape of a lego set, be the parts delivered together or scattered in the landscape. conversely if you prefer, it is not proper because gods contain the metaphysical equivalent of a teleological dimension.
trinque: but then I don't know enough about that end of things to know whether the ideology actually flowed from a particular fountain
trinque: mircea_popescu: I've wondered whether it is apt to call these human aggregates gods, in that the term was a passable label for distributed-world-model running among nodes of a wot
asciilifeform: next step is to find out how they got in.
asciilifeform: update re phuctor: i did finally turn up the dupes.
mircea_popescu: what rms thought, in his amusing naivite, to be defending hadn't in fact existed for a decade by the point news of it reached him. fruhlingserwachen, the steiner offensive.
mircea_popescu: "it could buy russia" does not mean - it could. it means - if anyone on our side has a prayer - them.
mircea_popescu: this apple, nsa, whatever, nobody gives a shit, but this "apple" is the empire's last hope, half-Alphabet-half-AAPL-half-contractors whatever it is.
trinque: perhaps worth reminding whose hardware comprises much of the modern NSA panopticon
asciilifeform: (modern crapple is, under the cover, still largely nextstep)
asciilifeform: moar so than winblows, at any rate. 'nextstep' was, at any rate, architected from the ground
mircea_popescu: not as productively, yes, not for the end user, at any rate, but there never was a rule that intelligence be benevolent.
mircea_popescu: more so, i dare say, than the lisp machine ever was.
mircea_popescu: the "apple software ecosystem", while on a level dysfunctional as ben_vulpes oft informs us, is on another edge intricately designed.
mircea_popescu: yes, but you miss that very point. it is not "somewhat like", it is exactly and precisely like the thing it is.
asciilifeform: recall the solrodar experiment.
asciilifeform: thing caught on not strictly because crapple et al pushed it, but because genuinely modular. even though it sucks in almost every other respect.
mircea_popescu: which is NOT a random string, nor the result of a markov process, run on dry sand or wet protein.
mircea_popescu: t you consider the limitations of statically linking very carefully, and consider your customer and their needs, plus the long-term support you will need to provide."
asciilifeform: i dun see this as a necessary hypothesis. i dare say that if i had to write a c compiler, it would end up looking somewhat more like llvm than gcc.
mircea_popescu: but not just llvm - the whole world exists, and it produces things such as "'Static linking of user binaries is not supported on Mac OS X. Tying user binaries to the internal implementation of Mac OS X libraries and interfaces would limit our ability to update and enhance Mac OS X. Instead, dynamic linking is supported (linking against crt1.o automatically instead of looking for crt0.o, for example). We strongly recommend tha
mircea_popescu: and then thought abvout it, and then came up with a model for a world which includes gcc, and then ran simulations of that world and evaluated which moves best serve a specified interest.
mircea_popescu: someone, or for the sake of rigor, "someone", a tom knight equivalent, sat down and read all of gcc, slowly, loaded it in head. i do not mean, "one version". i mean ALL of gcc, like i know words in the sense of who is their mother and their father and the fine degree derivatives in all trees in ten languages. all of gcc.
asciilifeform: noshit 'they knew', all compilers are built on roughly same scheme, just as all airplanes have wings, fuselage, etc
phf: windows for a longest time had a very stable abi, as per "you can run windows 95 programs still!1", where's i suspect mac os x probably doesn't. it's the same problem on openbsd, sure you can static link, but you will have to recompile after the next release.
asciilifeform: regardless of whom -- expand on 'they knew'
mircea_popescu: you are going to examine the glue holding labels to bottles now ?
mircea_popescu: llvm is, from a gnoseologic point of view, a superset of gcc, the upper node.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to say it again : llvm is not "a competitor" for gcc. llvm was written quite exactly with full knowledge of gcc in mind. you know they fully understand how gcc works, and i don't mean on the first order, but on the last, BECAUSE of little signs like these.
asciilifeform: then -- ditched
asciilifeform: i dunno that either fit anything at all in head
mircea_popescu: this being the difference between a technology company like apple and a media company like yahoo, aka microsoft : the former actually fit gcc / their erstwhile competition in head. the latter just blather on in the hopes the holy paper clip will help with the printing press.
asciilifeform: notably the machine from this example is a mac with 100%-working gnat (on gcc 4.xx)
asciilifeform: (found this gem when testing an otherwise 100%-portable gnat makefile)
mircea_popescu: sure. they know how to do it ; llvm is not "a competitor" for gcc, the notion that someone could "hold out" is nonsense. llvm was written quite exactly with full knowledge of gcc in mind.
asciilifeform: the linker -- barfs.
asciilifeform: this btw on the libc level.
mircea_popescu: hurr. "if we want to use the anal orifice later on and you linked something it may give it away. use this lube.'
asciilifeform: 'Static linking of user binaries is not supported on Mac OS X. Tying user binaries to the internal implementation of Mac OS X libraries and interfaces would limit our ability to update and enhance Mac OS X. Instead, dynamic linking is supported (linking against crt1.o automatically instead of looking for crt0.o, for example). We strongly recommend that you consider the limitations of statically linking very carefully, and consider yo
mircea_popescu: i don't know how new they are. seem pretty well formed.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: theirs however, is.
mircea_popescu: of course i have the tools. my existence is not limited or in any way described by the acts of idiots.
mircea_popescu: the point, however, is that before i will use the tools, i'd rather parlay with the idiots as if they were, somehow, people.
mircea_popescu: but do you suppose christel feels the need to ANSWER ? no, he'll just speak. because hey, we're all on fucking tv over here.
mircea_popescu in #freenode ; <mircea_popescu> christel is there some manner to opt out of the cutesy/pointless global notices ? or otherwise out of these global notices altogether ?
asciilifeform: knight, in case anyone did not know, designed and built the original lispm.
Framedragger: but they expanded my cell's volume so i have room to walk around now
a111: Logged on 2016-12-31 04:50 asciilifeform: 'The ability to limit concurrent coredumps allows dumping core to be safely enabled in these situations without affecting responsiveness of the system as a whole. I have several servers running with this patch applied (actually backported to v2.6.26) and it has allowed me to deal successfully with the situation described above.'
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594781 << hmm. what i could do is, check that all generated gpg keys have the right e and N (by comparing to the e,N,IP CSVs that i fully trust); to make sure that i didn't mess up the gpg-generation thing. i don't think it'd be really possible, and i had done some manual checks before, but maybe worth to write an automated full-on test.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/disgrace-before-they-set-off/ << Trilema - Disgrace - Before they set off
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594446 <<< i'm confused, isn't the 8-ball a set of factors that you multiplied into the running product, and for which 're-running' makes little sense, as being already present in the global factors product?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-30 22:18 asciilifeform: historically accurate to the point of wtf -- even radio controls (what good are they in a sim?) are there.
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-30#1594228 <<< protip for asciilifeform, if it actually gets off the ground, it's not a sim!11
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.org/stream/Link-16-Joint-Key-Management-Plan-28-April-2015/Link%2016%20Joint%20Key%20Management%20Plan,%2028%20April%202015_djvu.txt
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/disgrace-are-they-all-going-to-die/ << Trilema - Disgrace - Are they all going to die
trinque: the linux combustion engine, explodes 300 times per second
asciilifeform: this is the last time i permit a linux kernel to be used on my watch that i did not with own hands build.
asciilifeform: 'too many is as good as none, so let's then give'im none'
asciilifeform: i shit thee not.
asciilifeform: on the box.
asciilifeform: the result, incidentally, is ZERO COREDUMPS
asciilifeform: because in their cockroach universe, THIS MAKES SENSE
asciilifeform: penny in the fusebox.
asciilifeform: 'The ability to limit concurrent coredumps allows dumping core to be safely enabled in these situations without affecting responsiveness of the system as a whole. I have several servers running with this patch applied (actually backported to v2.6.26) and it has allowed me to deal successfully with the situation described above.'
asciilifeform: turns out my log is full of these.
asciilifeform: which is my working hypothesis.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the one way this is possible, by my reckoning, is if the deduplication somehow failed.
mircea_popescu: the odds of hundreds, if not thousands, of composite (with two, or more, prime factors) being also the factors of other moduli seem slim./
asciilifeform: to complicate matters, there were a handful of jokers who made prime moduli.
asciilifeform: so it is special case, it is marked by bernstein but must stay green until another factor is found.
asciilifeform: does a modulus count as 'has factor' if gcd(it, another) == it ?
trinque: turned off the hose.
mircea_popescu: give the man some space to figure out wtf happened ; if it turns out they're valid we can always put them in later.
asciilifeform: i'd rather print 300 retractions than 3000.
asciilifeform: as soon as this batch fully digests, i'ma switch off the werker until further notice. could be couplea days.
asciilifeform: but yet again, there's been 0 hand submissions since dec. 28.
asciilifeform: interestingly i found several instances in log where werker crashed with a div0. and then went, by hand, to verify if i am a tard and permitted a crafted key containing 0 as modulus to be submitted. but no dice.
mircea_popescu: at least i banned a bunch of people for join/part spamming the logs today
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma take home a copy of the db, and find out.
mircea_popescu: so you did nothing, the 8ball didn't do it, and it's not a rank repeat.
asciilifeform: and the bitness of it.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes a space in the set of integers where nsa parked its special, "secretly" nonprime eggs.
asciilifeform: (i'ma handle this case by putting the brakes on marking 'phuctored' anything for which a factor that isn't 1 < f < mod is known
asciilifeform: so for next couple of hours, until the second half of this bernsteinization, there will be 100s of mods marked 'phuctored' for whom the only marked factor -- is themselves. which is Wrong
asciilifeform: in all previous cases -- they were.
mircea_popescu: as you say, odds of it being composite in the end pretty good anyway
asciilifeform: with these moduli.
asciilifeform: (this is a bug! as in, a case i never properly handled! when entire modulus is also a factor of another. i will have to filter these)
asciilifeform: and the db is deadlocked nearly to death.
mircea_popescu: is the box dead or just under load ?
asciilifeform: for one thing, not a single key fell into the user funnel today.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am slowly working my way through wtf happened there.
mircea_popescu: the whole phuctor key db got resent did it
asciilifeform: and rather like it
asciilifeform: because maybe i pasted the ---BEGIN PGP...... 3 seconds ago.
trinque: to the read db
trinque: why the fuck would you move what didn't change
asciilifeform: and, again, 'displayify daily' will nuke the 'use as sks, check pasted keys in real time' aspect.
asciilifeform: as usual, whenever we ~really~ lean onto something, it crumples into the pile of shit that it was.
trinque: if you are already loading whole db, dumping whole db, repeat, could fart the thing into a second display database somewhere in there.
asciilifeform: it is the IDIOTIC read locking discussed earlier.
asciilifeform: cpu % load is not the issue.
trinque: probably would involve replication to a db not doing the phuctoring
asciilifeform: and yes, i'd love for the thing to 'load right away like NORMAL PEOPLE WWWSITES'
asciilifeform: y'know, the thing that submits all links to archivator.
asciilifeform: (the pages ARE NEW)
asciilifeform: i recommend to exempt it from the usual treatment, trinque et al, until i invent some radically new mechanism for the thing to work on, instead of postgres.