asciilifeform: phf: i excavated my binder and found the item you had just linked. where dpl is described in approx same level of detail as eurisko's 'rtl' was in the lenatleaks thing. but i am now beginning to suspect that it got 'symbolicsized', e.g., subsumed into the properties they licensed from mit
phf: because ultimately chip was manufactured out of DPL files (described in aim-598) the whole deflayout/defregtype/defconst thing. i haven't seen ~that~ published anywhere
Framedragger: this one could be titled "the terror of the c machine" http://flashbak.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Ra%C4%8Dunari-1993_03_001.jpg
Framedragger: unrelated: http://flashbak.com/yugoslavian-computer-magazine-cover-girls-of-the-1980s-90s-370271/
asciilifeform: phf: i'ma get back re subj after digging through the dead trees
ben_vulpes: i'm down for scarification, but only the high-entropy kind that comes of abrading self against road
mircea_popescu: phf and the effect is especially negative when the girl overdoes the make-up lines, as some girls do.
phf: they always look like somebody laid paint too thick while painting a metal shed
mircea_popescu: incidentally, /me is not a great fan of tattoos, by which i mean the meaningless optional bs, not the actual tribal/prison stuff. however, from a purely aesthetic perspective, isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the blocky ones (ie, the ones with large monocolor chunks) ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ah, that's pretty cool. i see what you mean - you can see craters and the dark side still being the moon... collective delusion / cognitive dissonance something something! (and btw i meant the album but both work well in this instance..) :)
ben_vulpes: howl at the blood moon or something i have no iea
phf: asciilifeform: because i have a paper by shrobe from 1982 vlsi conference (i could only find a hardcopy, been meaning to scan it), that explicitly says that data path generator was written for mit cadr, and that it opts the DPL code out of a gui environment. i haven't seen complete listing for DPL for the cpu either.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i "really got it" coupla nights ago, out walking, splendid full moon with abendstar in opposition. and it was SO OBVIOUSLY a fucking planet, lit by the star in part that i really had nfi what people had been doing prior. it's fucking obvious omg!
mircea_popescu: into the sun (which ideally should be done "safely", ie, perpendicular to planetary plane and away from earth-at-the-time, it... moderates it! so the sun cools. which is significant. story goes on.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of canticle : anyone looking to write a sf piece in the a c clarke vein willing to model what'd happen if a lead comet the size of ceres showed up on a slow orbit ? at first, comet observed somewhere past kuipier belt, it's slow and dim. then, is it a comet or an asteroid ? then, measurements indicate it's much too dense. then, in timescales ever narrowing, its orbit turns out to be unsafe. then, as it collapses
Framedragger: iirc same evening included me "really getting" dark side of the moon, "like really getting it you know?"; but eh, it was beautiful so can't complain.
Framedragger: luckily enough i realized i was on hash before i could quickly set up a blog in haskell and start writing stupid words about the singularity
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 18:15 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598258 << you know those guys that periodically stop by lisper venues, and they don't really program, but they want to use LISP to build an AI, because metacircularity of code is data is giving them mystical visions..?
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598383 << reminds me of how i first chanced upon lisp. i was eighteen, more pretentious than now, and had eaten my first hashcake half an hour ago. i was reading esr, jumped to topic of lisp and homoiconicity, and was like... d0000d. this is how you penetrate the universe. knowwhatimsayin.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 17:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'lisp trb' is sussman's 'scheme83' chip.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598294 << scheme83 is like a "canticle for leibowitz" artifact. "published design" is overstatement of the century. scraps of published memos and reports spread over out of print conference proceedings, the bulk of actual technology needed to recreate probably somewhere on a TAPE. i don't know where you got that mask generator runs on scheme83. the entire production stack was for mit cadr
ben_vulpes: trainflake nice missed that on the first pass
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598258 << you know those guys that periodically stop by lisper venues, and they don't really program, but they want to use LISP to build an AI, because metacircularity of code is data is giving them mystical visions..?
mircea_popescu: (i would like to thank the academy, the harem sluts, and phf / ben_vulpes discussions for inspiring me to come this far!)
mircea_popescu: enough with the "for idiots" bullshit.
trinque: deploying other people's code into a logbot service sounds pretty UCI to me
trinque: ben_vulpes: so sounds like we should still consider doing the patch for raw messages, such that we don't have to build this atop out-of-date logbot-service
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the idea is not without merit ; but i was gonna try an interactive slut.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so therefore considering that you don't have to rewrite trinque's bot nor is a vps more than a few bux a month, dja got a counteroffer ? :D
asciilifeform: theoretically ought to work on anybody with large body of text. in practice, certain text works better than other
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, the sentiment is mutual - i want mine to eat you lot.
asciilifeform: i had this itch 2+ yrs ago but my evil plan was to make it simply eat the collected works of mircea_popescu rather than explicit rules
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nah the idea is, bot will attempt to learn from conversation. with, eg, you.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'd rather read your experiments in lisp than php
mircea_popescu: subquestion : does teh esteemed lordship find itself inclined to tolerate the exercise ?
mircea_popescu: nice. so as an example, my first task would be to figure out how to instruct it to respond to messages only if there've been less than 12 lines spoken the past 15 minutes. that sort of thing.
ben_vulpes: oh then it'd work for you as-is
mircea_popescu: i've no interest in action and other such
mircea_popescu: ah. the way i was thinking this'd work would be : the bot answers to any lines where its name is mentioned ; and i can update its "brain" with a !^ url style command. whereby it replaces its "ai" code with the content of the file.
ben_vulpes: mhm. it's the ACTION lines that it doesn't catch.
mircea_popescu: the patch to who ?
ben_vulpes: let's say 2 btc, and that'll cover the patch to record all protocol lines as well
mircea_popescu: how much for a year's worth of hosting it + the occasional reboot ?
mircea_popescu: it does not specify it in the sane sense. but his contention is not baseless.
asciilifeform: trinque: c fails even at this, consider the atrocity of 'endianism', word sizes, and 101 other variations that break a c proggy
asciilifeform: considering that the standard was a product of a truce between competing lispm vendors, it is not mega-surprise. but trinque is right.
trinque: and that lack leads directly to the present day diaspora, and the ghettos, on other systems
trinque: it could be said that insofar as the CL standard does not specify a machine, it is drastically incomplete
ben_vulpes: smells rather strongly of "read" == "rolled eyeballs over"
mircea_popescu: and let's pass in silence over the circumstance that i'd have never figured that out if i kept blogging by itself.
mircea_popescu: in practice i come to understand now, after thousands of articles / years blogging, that in fact the frontend to a blog should really be as close to a... vdiff patch! as practicable.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "if ch approximates an immutable datastruct over the interval lastvisit - currentvisit".
mircea_popescu: (it is, believe it or not, entirely not evident from the activity of "lisp people" whether it does or does not exist, the object of their work/preoccupation.)
asciilifeform: published design, and not only design, but the mask generator (runs on, i shit thee not, itself, also)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'lisp trb' is sussman's 'scheme83' chip.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform death distinguishes. i literally beat them until they either die or reform.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not entirely up to speed re sad state of lisp world. i expect it's in the shitter, but not exactly clear how. is there any merit to the nude assertion that "lisp is a shittier thing than trb, because trb at least has SOMETHING that can be made into a musl ; whereas lisp does not" ?
asciilifeform: i dunno how mircea_popescu cuts the knot of distinguishing (say, among his pets) 'slow learner' from 'militant ignoramus'
mircea_popescu: more sympathy by a large margin is owed to the things no one made, than to the suspected fruits of anyone's loins.
mircea_popescu: this is ridoinculous, the paternal fallacy. "oh he sucks but i made him". doh ? do you do the same with code, also ?
asciilifeform: eh i had more than the appropriate measure of sympathy for the poor bugger because laboured under the impression that he, fwiw, was a monster i had an indirect hand in creating
asciilifeform: but notice, he won't, like vampire avoids the sun
trinque: all I can say is, take part in the forum. it'll rid you of that american megalomania, or get rid of you, real quick.
asciilifeform: you can tell here that gabriel_laddel either does not know, or care, what sort of herculean labour is involved in undoing years of design braindamage
asciilifeform: 'Gentoo can PRACTICALLY be improved by slowly & surely eliminating it from Masamune. There are plenty of people who can, and have written lisp bootloaders. The only problem with this (and all related projects) is that they're incomplete, due to lacking a working lisp environment one can integrate with. People write code using the _stable_ abstractions at hand.'
asciilifeform: on a godforsaken motherfucking toy arm.
asciilifeform: trinque: you can tell that d00d took 0 trouble to read, e.g., the pogo archives
trinque: because there is nothing beneath! fucks sake
asciilifeform: trinque: it's the national folkdance of 'i am young and GENYOOS and californian and hip and here comes me'
trinque: this dancing about like he gets to define how the logs work is out
trinque: ben_vulpes: I made the statement here, will wait for the day g_l shows up permanently and raises the thread
asciilifeform: trinque: it's in yer gizmo2, lel. just gotta write the driver!111
ben_vulpes: fixing my wp template heinous though it definitely is is not anywhere near the top of my list of things to do
mircea_popescu: and in other "competing with africa" news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/5d918039dab081143fd78f7b0e4e6b0b/tumblr_o2u4g9AyWj1qh70jeo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: "First of all, we were then and continue to be impressed by MySQL, for its stability, performance, range of features, and price" << https://marc.info/?q=about
mircea_popescu: iirc it was made for a very tmsr-like reason - kde people wanted to save their mailing list
mircea_popescu: there's both the profiling of large db indexes stored as ext4 or xfs ; and the implementing of the fabulous mp hash in asm and cycle counting it.
netmonk: under another nick :)
netmonk: well i still have all the backlog from one year ago to read
netmonk: i least i was succesfull to decrypt the otp :)
trinque: netmonk: of course when not already voiced you'd have to do that in a private message to the bot
mircea_popescu: alright then
mircea_popescu: im not even sure what this difference is supposed to mean, but anyway. my own key uses the master and i've not had any problems, so there's that.
mircea_popescu: that's like saying "i'm not much into clean linens". your personal taste in the matter is a relatively secondary concern. the primary thing is they don't let you inside oxford unless you wash.
mircea_popescu: no i know. the point being - insanity contradicts expectation. i'm not importing koch.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he has two moduli in there, one with shortfp of 0x83689A8469C299B1 , another -- 0x15F6BC08DC5EC056 .
trinque: I have no evidence yet that using that key ID works, or what other heinous acts gpg undertakes when handed one
mircea_popescu: but here's what i don't understand : the substring 62F6E94CB8BEC891 is not found within 6FD9603CAEDCB7638EFBE9D115F6BC08DC5EC056 ; and moreover http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598125 == http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598076
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/594d569be7627987cbc14dcd32f451be/tumblr_o3x2e3puKD1ut5gyro1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: this may be the least inclusive place in existence. imagine, trinque , the guy is long time linux sysadmin, specializes in assembly cycle shaving.
trinque: netmonk: send !!up to deedbot in a private message, then decrypt the response, and reply to deedbot with !!v <your OTP here>
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 14:42 netmonk: the masochistic pleasure to read your prose :)
trinque: netmonk: I've deleted your registration; feel free to re-reg when you have the right key in hand
trinque: it used the key you told it.
mircea_popescu: netmonk well alternatively you could also know what your policies are and follow them neh ?
mircea_popescu: re-registering a nick with ratings on it can't be done, but unrated they're all equally the same.
mircea_popescu: nah, seeing how a) it's the first time and b) he's nobody anyway
mircea_popescu: in gpg you mean ? nah, and i wouldn't trust it anyway. ok to wait, it waited for a year before masochist guy found the rake in grass to step on
mircea_popescu: tsk. how about disabling sub-fp search altogether. kock0gpg is evil.
trinque: jk, lemme set the thing to regen per hour
mircea_popescu: trinque how does it transform a short fp into the whole thing ? "15F6BC08DC5EC056" is insecure enough.
trinque: netmonk: might you have used the wrong key ID?
netmonk: strange i cannot decode the message
Framedragger: btw trinque i don't think my gpg key has all the associated ratings in your wot.deedbot.org wwwtron. but mebbe the latter isn't finished anyway, so i'm jumping ahead of myself :)
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 14:42 netmonk: the masochistic pleasure to read your prose :)
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 14:42 netmonk: the masochistic pleasure to read your prose :)
netmonk: the masochistic pleasure to read your prose :)
mircea_popescu: so what brings you in these here parts ?
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/9H2mQ << and especially so after having been 42 and in the right one.
mircea_popescu: must suck to be 57 and in the wrong boat.
mircea_popescu: "Would it matter if the mainstream media did a better job? Or do we live in a post-truth age in which we are so distrusted that our investigations will be dismissed, if they are seen at all? Im not sure, but we must at least try."
mircea_popescu: us state media managed to catch up with the usg's dept of human feeding's record : hamburger with meat ~70 ppm, news with meat ~70 ppm, it's all good and all the same.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "In 2008, the three broadcast networks, in their nightly news programs, devoted over the entire year a total of three hours and 40 minutes to issues reporting (defined as independent coverage of election issues, not arising from candidate statements or debates). In 2016, that plummeted to a grand total of just 36 minutes."
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, https://archive.is/qhUdp (trump meets with conde nast, new york times can barely contain its desperate enthusiasm "see ? we are still relevant! mp was wrong!!11"
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2017/01/fuck-white-people-pack-of-native-chicagoans-torture-captive-white-boy/ << lmao. did they hate him because handicapped (utterly natural impulse, this, btw) or because trump won ?
mircea_popescu: (of course as far as the spec goes, the bot saves archive.is + base64 blobs of all pages, so there is that, as inconvenient as it is)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha, until someone deigns to rein in the html soup and implement one...
mircea_popescu: which is why stories about "the aliens" always have in clinical practice a little coda about one's father in law or w/e.
mircea_popescu: trinque it's not "didn't work". in the economy of the narcissist mind lashing out at untouchable target never is about ~the target~.
trinque: asciilifeform: thought wasn't that the shooting was the hangout, but the leak of "they made me watch ISIS vids" to press
trinque: "the international bankers" in scare quotes. how quaint
ben_vulpes: http://harpers.org/archive/1964/11/the-paranoid-style-in-american-politics/?single=1 << "Moreover, we need not dismiss out of hand as totally parochial or mean-spirited the desire of Yankee Americans to maintain an ethnically and religiously homogeneous society nor the particular Protestant commitments to individualism and freedom that were brought into play."
asciilifeform: trinque: obummer presided over 4-5 of these every year of his term, snoar.
trinque: asciilifeform: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/fort-lauderdale-airport-shooting-suspect-had-visited-fbi-office-in-alaska-last-year/2017/01/06/d945b20a-d462-11e6-945a-76f69a399dd5_story.html << state media is carrying the same "govt made me watch ISIS vids" story
asciilifeform: other variations on the theme also work ('nutter' is given pistol with blanks, snipers -- do the actual crowd-plinking, say.)
trinque: with some promise of capture alive at the end
mod6: these seem to go way back
mod6: <+asciilifeform> maybe mod6 does << there are a number of different lists.
trinque: they're getting sloppier.
trinque: http://www.kwch.com/content/news/Shots-fired-at-airport-in-Ft-Lauderdale-409906945.html << Sources tell the news network that a man matching Santiago's description walked into the FBI office in Anchorage, Alaska two months ago and said the government was forcing him to watch ISIS videos.
asciilifeform: in other vintage lulz, http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/usa/img/myk78_large.jpg << the infamous 'clipper'.
mircea_popescu: these lols are not all in one strand.
mircea_popescu: most of them are, practically speaking, waitresses.
phf: huh, interesting. i can see that, i wonder if you need to be at a ведомственное скб or if it's the opposite, to get away with stuff like that
phf: presumably stored in an the country house attic between floorboards. i doubt he used nazi memorabilia at work. at least that's how we had a gewehr or a karabiner for a very long time. grandfather though it was appropriate to teach a tyke how to clean a gun with the only gun available in the dusty attic, because can't really use it or take it out or...
asciilifeform: i still have some of my father's drafting toolz, they were taken by his father out of - supposedly - dead german, have nazi eagles on'em
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1597952 << meetoo!! the drafting implements & logarithmic rulers esp.
pete_dushenski: gotta love the implied values of the colour of those dots on that linked graph : pink for women, black for 'other adults', light gray for men.
pete_dushenski: "More from our just released distributional national accounts. For the median working-age man in the US, zero labor income growth since 1962." https://twitter.com/gabriel_zucman/status/806599154357194758
phf: huh, all the precision tools are made in germany. i guess cia doesn't need to do the whole "proud owner of made in ussa!" thing
phf: ben_vulpes: i was just looking at that thing. i like his definition of what "correctness" in case of terminal emulator is. "should be able to properly render modern terminal applications like tmux and vim. Glyphs should be rendered properly, and the proper glyphs should be displayed."
ben_vulpes: the correct compiler!
ben_vulpes: > To install the correct compiler, run:
phf: there's a set of hoops that one can jump through in order to delete own linkedin account, and then they still resurrect it every time they update their privacy policy or when the moon is just right. "414 million users"
ben_vulpes: LinkedInâs major asset is its 414 million users and the economic graph it drawws
mircea_popescu: http://labs.openviewpartners.com/linkedin-pricing-strategy/#.WHAoLFJOm-I << in random lulz. the following elements are present : "experts" with nary a clue, expertise predicated entirely on context in a purely substance-free lacanian manner ; "controversy" in the sense of, wholly worthless item lost some of the arbitrary "value" it never had, what could be the possible "explanations" that nevertheless avoid stating the obviou
ben_vulpes: yes i want fewer features and prettier widgets that fit in with my os aesthetic
ben_vulpes: pgAdmin 4 is a feature rich open source PostgreSQL client. It has support for almost every feature in PostgreSQL. The only downside is that the cross-plattform UI really doesnât live up to the expectations of a native Mac app.Postico on the other hand, is a very modern Mac app. Itâs made by the same people that maintain Postgres.app, and we think youâll like it!
mircea_popescu: and yes it's trivial to smell the "marketing contributes to revenue - everyone else to costs" folk a mile away. but you have to WANT TO.
mircea_popescu: for as long as one entertains even faint delusions that who knows, packard is maybe a person too, that "coreboot" retarded, what's her name, is maybe human like we are, that gavin or hearn have mothers and fathers and children and smell roses rather than you know, dwelling in rats nests like the rats they are and come out of ootheca like any other kitchen cockroach - for as long as that delusion is even vaguely present it's n
mircea_popescu: anyway, not especially difficult to resit at all, IF and ONLY IF one understands that the niggers aren't human.
asciilifeform: (rather like what happened to openbsd -- d00d gets tired, 'eager young thing' steps up)
asciilifeform: torvalds showed that it is not only possible, but not even especially difficult to resist, but eventually he will exit the stage. and at that point poettering will probably end up 'ceo of linux'
mircea_popescu: and supposedly i should feel bad for them, right ? because look how the barbarians came and burned down all these nice guy's hard work. hurr.
mircea_popescu: constantly with this "wisdom" of fligh response, nothing's worth drying for, there's always going to be a virgin forest somewhere to run to. run to and... what ?
mircea_popescu: in the process, creating the perverse incentive structure for the monkey wail. i really can't fucking stand ustards already.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the xfree86 debacle is VERY fucking illustrative of how the "thinking" idiot acts. they "disbanded" once the monkey chorus got loud enough, so they don't have to deal with the idiots any longer. whoopdedoo, nice going.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-31 18:25 mircea_popescu: this apple, nsa, whatever, nobody gives a shit, but this "apple" is the empire's last hope, half-Alphabet-half-AAPL-half-contractors whatever it is.
asciilifeform: 'We decided we needed to take a different — and bolder — approach to this problem. We believe people who write and share ideas should be rewarded on their ability to enlighten and inform, not simply their ability to attract a few seconds of attention. ' << lel, ordinary spamatronics not enough, gotta also have http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594901
asciilifeform: 'I’ll start with the hard part: As of today, we are reducing our team by about one third — eliminating 50 jobs, mostly in sales, support, and other business functions. ' << they SOLD SOMETHING?!
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares what he fired.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-04 22:46 ben_vulpes: https://blog.medium.com/renewing-mediums-focus-98f374a960be#.8gsm40qwc << "we have no fucking idea how to make money from livejournal in 2017, but that's not going to stop us from lighting our investor's capital on fire and warming ourselves in front of it while lamenting the capitalist system!"
asciilifeform: iirc medium is simply latest iteration of the tired old idiocy
asciilifeform: waitasec how do these differ
asciilifeform: instead of tumblr/lj/medium/turd-of-the-day
mircea_popescu: until and unless someone comes up and tells them to stop pissing the bed, they will sit in the urine soaked mess while pretending entirely satisfactorily to their own lights that "it's just one of those things", and supposedly never realising the name for the situatio nis "wallowing in piss"
asciilifeform: 'i wouldn't do the work if it fellated'
asciilifeform: there is this. but i also have difficulty picturing taleb sweating over apache config etc.
mircea_popescu: they are trained to pursue their intellectual preoccupations at the expense of "everything else", which is fine for as long as it's the fat on their belly, but is not fine once they start chiseling away the spine.
asciilifeform: there is a very large herd of 'just want-to' piglets who, yes, end in the meat yards every time and very surprised
mircea_popescu: taleb will, with all the panache of a dedicated goat fucker, publish items on medium.com
mircea_popescu: mentally at the age of 14, when they got together in the schoolyard to recount various summertime conquests under the velvety protection of nobody calling anyone out on anything ever.
asciilifeform: i dunno what is 'intellectual' about packard, poettering, the leah-whatever dope of libreboot, gavin, et al
mircea_popescu: because "intellectuals" have utterly no shame. if their guzzling of piss is not stated in plain terms, they will get together and pretend otherwise.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they have very systematically hijacked and buried in the desert things. linux/gcc is just the latest pass.
asciilifeform: whole point of bitcoin is to bugspray them vermin neh
mircea_popescu: there shall be no bitcoin regulation. ever.
mircea_popescu: which brings the point full circle : relinquishing ANY degree of control over the currency back to the niggers will result in an exact rehash of the boom/bust cycle of cs development that has ensured 0 useful anything came out of three generations of developers by now.
asciilifeform: the fumes -- run out.
asciilifeform: hijackings like xorg, debian, etc ran on the fumes remaining in what was once a very tall tank of respectability cachet of academia, american heavy industry, etc.
mircea_popescu: the "us vs them" thing is very evidently manifest. it also happened to work for them a lot better back in 2000, when they owned the de facto currency.
asciilifeform proud member of the entirely inhomogeneous nonfraternal nonorganization of folx who do fine without Existing on Pediwikia
asciilifeform: 'There is no information available on the XFree86 home page on becoming an XFree86 developer. Information for new developers consists of the mention of a couple of mailing list addresses in the README document included in the XFree86 4.3 release.' << picture how d00d would react to meeting trb
mircea_popescu: it is also eerily reminiscent of "political attacks on financial networks began, as for example the Federal reserve act of 1913, the goal always being to wind up the network into a single"
asciilifeform: 'The KDE and Gnome projects were forced to form the freedesktop.org project to extend and enhance X Window System standards because XFree86 refused even to participate in the process.' << this is lulzily reminiscent of naggum's opponents and their 'we MUST MODERNIZE cl despite the HIDEBOUND standards committee refusing to consider our crackpotteries'
mircea_popescu: rather than port extant drivers to a twice defunct pile of code made by mit i'd rather paint tits on a boar.
asciilifeform: eh the (few working) open driverz could be ported.
asciilifeform: (or at the very least, what it'd take)
mircea_popescu: but hey, wikipedia says "the successful x.org" so it must be so.
mircea_popescu: should be studied in school ffs. mike harris of redhat complained to packard that these people weren't sufficiently o'reillyed. gotta color revolution!!1
asciilifeform: 'The 'fetchmail' project has contributions from over 800 developers. Over the last two years there were about 250 contributors to XFree86, a project more than a hundred times larger.'
mircea_popescu: then intel.
a111: Logged on 2016-02-21 21:51 mircea_popescu: x.org just recently lost their only asset because of inept "non profit" shenanigans.
asciilifeform: that anyone followed him in that direction - is not a credit to these anyones
mircea_popescu: "In 2011, O'Reilly awarded an open source award to Packard, as "the person behind most of the improvements made on the open source desktop in the last ten years at least.""
mircea_popescu: the idiotic ustard discursive posturing was intolerable even cca 2003. "Persistent problems in XFree86 development have become widely recognised within the X community. I have talked to people throughout the X community in a search for solutions." check out the utter nigger talk.
asciilifeform: ( trinque may find the db in vms interesting )
mircea_popescu: in other lulz
asciilifeform: 'Compare OpenVMS' security vulnerability record against other operating systems at CVE Details .... http://www.cvedetails.com/product/4990/HP-Openvms.html?vendor_id=10' vs ' linux: http://www.cvedetails.com/product/47/Linux-Linux-Kernel.html?vendor_id=33 '
mircea_popescu: srsly, 2.5mn dollars is a fraction of what they want ?
asciilifeform: context of the XFree86 Core Team, which makes his membership of that team unviable. As a consequence, Keith Packard is no longer a member of the XFree86 Core Team.'
asciilifeform: 'It has been brought to the attention of the XFree86 Core Team that one of its members, Keith Packard, has been actively (but privately) seeking out support for a fork of XFree86 that would be led by himself. He is also in the process of forming a by-invitation-only group of vested interests to discuss privately concerns he has about XFree86 and the future of X. He has consistently refused to even disclose these concerns within the
mircea_popescu: the keith packard drama
mircea_popescu: in random lulz : apparently at some point in the 80s, dec has 1200 people working on porting x to ultrix/vms
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am somewhat unsurprised the immediate reaction is to take the matter outside of the computer.
trinque: then once had we can bog it down by also doing crunching in another thread and dumping output of teh hash to the scroll pane
mircea_popescu: gotta solve this dispute somehow. the correct somehow is to start bolting down parts. first we check this, then we can see if it's a matter of cl implementation is fine, ui is bad.
mircea_popescu: the whole machine.
trinque: there is no example earlier
asciilifeform: (see the 100kB text example earlier)
asciilifeform: it's about geometric grinding to halt as the working set grows
mircea_popescu: alf's touchy-feely notions of "slow" aren't particularily interesting, but it would be worth noting if it takes 10x or 100x the cycles to deliver the same result.
mircea_popescu: ie, "how slow the stack is"
trinque: the way you jump around, man.
asciilifeform: but i ain't paying for the privilege of testing alpha.
asciilifeform: what can i say, i'll happily test the new ver.
asciilifeform: i did the benchmark, in (iirc) 2010.
asciilifeform: there is such a thing as ~algorithmically dog slow~ design
trinque: mircea_popescu: the hash wouldn't slow anybody down because I'd be hashing in one thread, updating UI with results in another as they pop out
asciilifeform: plenty of slow links in the wild.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform interestingly, the only time i ever encountered such delays before was on ssh sessions.
asciilifeform: trinque: it was true of clim and i wrote not 1 letter of code. of the stock ui. last i saw.