asciilifeform: this is ~exactly~ the line-diff problem.
phf: well, mp is presumably trying to solve a problem of quoting large conversations. our thread links for example go for one liners, but require extra effort to figure out where the conversation starts and where it ends, etc.
phf: but if you're going javascript frontend then might as well go full modifier mode. shift to select, command click to move cursor inside selection, etc.
phf: though i like the idea of esc
phf: you have a choice to represent everything with a "click" procedure that activates things on backend (by altering get parameters), or you go frontend in which case welcome to the javascript hell
phf: and then once you have a range and trying to get rid of it, if you have a screen full of range, you have to go through the whole "scroll till no range, select arbitrary line" thing
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 15:08 mircea_popescu: phf any idea on how to replicate Framedragger 's logger multiline selection thing without the hassle ? maybe something like "first click, highlights line ; second click, highlights area ; third click, highlights line within area" or such ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599371 << i've been thinking about this problem, because range select is very handy, but i haven't figured out a way to make it not confusing. specifically the "stickiness" where you catch a range and can't get rid of it. can implement the traditional select semantics like shift-click to activate a range?
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599455 << had trouble finding the exact variant, bed is more like http://zoneoffroad.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/zone-offroad-005.jpg but slightly different cab
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/fewZO << holy shit bulletin boards were a crime against humanity. how the fuck was this permitted to exiswt.
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599440 <<< french it engineering school, pretty much where all the autists go
mircea_popescu: and of course all the outbound links on yosefk.com linked above are gone.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 09:28 netmonk: you dont manage 500k servers like you manage the 10 servers of paymium
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599349 << i find this odd, because i add two numbers the same way i add 2 million numbers. don't you ?
asciilifeform: btw i discovered a 1000x speedup for 8ballator. but have not deployed yet, because, comically, it will rapidly sink the entire machine
asciilifeform: (and it would be extremely impractical to divide it, the thing is a GB+ and counting)
asciilifeform: (the ~standard~ 8ball, with the primorial from 2...infinity, grew large enough that it slows down werker run to about 5 hours ! )
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 09:17 davout: ovh is a french company, stands for "on vous héberge" and are basically the niggers of the hosting business here in france
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599329 << iirc they're the most important single source of spam/probing/assorted script kiddery on the nets.
asciilifeform: the barf wave, however, resulted from two werker runs that overwrote one another's working temp sets on disk. another wtf, that should not have been possible, added locking.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 05:21 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: did you ever figure out the source of the spuriata?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599168 << two separate sets of crapola. the 'factor == modulus' thing was on account of the way i made the debian 8ball, with (product of Ps of possible keys) being one, and (product of Qs...) being another. but there turned out to exist debianized mods where BOTH factors were drawn from Pproduct (or alternatively Qproduct) and gcd ended up equaling the mod, a case that was not (formerly) tested for
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there apparently exist beds now where the bed is barely larger than an ordinary couch. progress, dood.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 08:02 ben_vulpes: i don't know what sort of apology is due here as clearly nobody has ever even tried to apply those patches through a strict v, but i'm still going to go slam my head in a door until i get some of the stupid out
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599317 << eh relax, the whole point of prototyping is to prototype.
asciilifeform: there apparently exist trucks now where the bed is barely larger than ordinary car's boot
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yeah, and i didn't even realise at the time wtf was happening.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall belenko, the runaway d00d? famously longest off-radar run, flew to jp at, what was it, 10m above ocean
Framedragger: (before, i had this idea of user being able to alter ranges very simply; but obviously there was the whole confusion of "i want to alter anchor" vs. "i want to alter range" function when clicking on timestamp, which sucked.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well it's a big thing, because if you're off radar you can be targetted by individual experts carrying 3 to 8 shots each ; and if you're on the radar you can be targetted by technicians carrying 64 to 256 shots each.
mircea_popescu: and remove range, otherwise
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the dot would create range, if a line is already highlighted.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 15:20 mircea_popescu: Framedragger how about adding a · in between timestamp and speaker, so that timestamp is still lined as now, but the dot is linked to make range ?
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599416 << so only the dot would create/alter ranges, right? aha sounds good
mircea_popescu: and there is to this day no better missile defense than air-ground effects.
mircea_popescu: fighter jet being on trajectory that flies into terrain in 10 seconds is exactly the opposite of lethally stupid.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 13:54 mircea_popescu: ve hours of 20yo receptionist work, you're smack drab in the middle of exactly it. (and see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-25#1285777 )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599369 << interestingly, the americans put an electric nag, 'bitching betty', in the f16. but iirc it only switches on if you're doing something lethally stupid .
mircea_popescu: and also, why the fuck does nobody teach women how to hold a glass. http://68.media.tumblr.com/48c7aea33c3fd93c9453bf97e841dea0/tumblr_mrvieauTfV1rfycyjo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: ( Framedragger and also, hour ticks in the shape of a <hr /> ; and also - gray out the bot lines.)
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 07:59 ben_vulpes: so duh, vdiff does not guarantee patches will be sensible in a v tree, and it is incumbent upon a patch-grinder to ensure their patches actually apply cleanly.
mircea_popescu: ( Framedragger and if you work on it, moving away from the "<name> " to the bolded-name-colon convention would also be very nice.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger how about adding a · in between timestamp and speaker, so that timestamp is still lined as now, but the dot is linked to make range ?
asciilifeform: and if it becomes an issue, i'll throttle the output on my end. (and some time quite soon i will be putting a series of db tweaks in, as recommended by various folx here)
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 13:26 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594569 && http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594581 << since most of those are 502s, yes those URLs can be exempted - i am a bit wary of introducing blacklist / ad hoc rules - after all, those phuctor URLs can later be re-archived, what's the pain - but maybe it's strainful to phuctor?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599354 << let it be as it was, at the usual rate of phuctoring, it is not an issue
Framedragger: eh well, an 'unset range' button (or range manipulation buttons) would help. (but then, those'd work over POST, so hidden state..)
mircea_popescu: am i the only one incidentally, who sees this separation ?
Framedragger: then it'd raturn to stage 1
mircea_popescu: dude, so clicking and copying a link are semantically separate in my head but obviously the same thing to browser.
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's what the fuck it was.
mircea_popescu: oooohhh i know wtf it was! see, what it was was this : you DID have it this way, but then i'd highlight one line or follow someone else's highlight, and i'd RIGHT CLICK another line, and this'd result in a range.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 15:11 mircea_popescu: and i must be able to figure out the state by looking at the url, which is why POST is not better than GET but much, MUCH worse, and why it was pushed as part of "ssl", typical usg-tardism
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599385 << thought the same when i was implementing this, hence one also being able to manually define range which imo is mandatory requirement. no hidden state
Framedragger: (because that'd make sense; anchor always remaining on the first line of range is not always intuitive)
mircea_popescu: and i must be able to figure out the state by looking at the url, which is why POST is not better than GET but much, MUCH worse, and why it was pushed as part of "ssl", typical usg-tardism
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: so you mean that if one were to click on a line which falls in a previously-selected range (of highlighted lines), the anchor would be adjusted but the overall highlight range would be preserved, too?
mircea_popescu: this is the fundamental idiocy of "responsive" "2.0" web, ajax etc : the fucking model is 1 page = 1 state. that's the only sane way to have state over stateless http
mircea_popescu: Framedragger no problem is you did it on the same page. add url-based state.
asciilifeform: 'It is my opinion that the fans of this family of hardware/vaporware, consistent advocates of The New Age of Computing, have serious AI problems. Here's a sample quote on cellular automata: "I guess they really are like us." Well, if you want to build a computing device in order to have a relationship with it, maybe a cellular automaton will do the trick. Although I'd recommend to first check the fine selection of Homo Sapiens we have
mircea_popescu: Framedragger but do it like that you know, nude url + click -> highlights that line ; highlighted line url + click -> highlights between the two. like a state machine based on url schema
Framedragger: fwiw i had the first click + second click => range thing but it confused you (and others) into accidentally selecting ranges unintentionally. third click may make sense..
mircea_popescu: turns out that his thing is actually very useful when quoting towards the periphery.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 13:54 mircea_popescu: and the other thing : that entire "it is unclear whether people aiming to make an artificial friend have seriously considered the much cheaper, ordinary kind" which i can't fucking find in the log for some reason goes A LOT deeper than generally realised. it's not "oh, i'm not discussing ai so it's not about me". yes, IT IS about you. if the software you're contemplating aims to take fifty hours of engineer work to replace fi
mircea_popescu: phf any idea on how to replicate Framedragger 's logger multiline selection thing without the hassle ? maybe something like "first click, highlights line ; second click, highlights area ; third click, highlights line within area" or such ?
a111: Logged on 2015-09-25 21:50 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-09-2015#1285635 << exactly the wrong kind of fucking ai. a) not actually intelligent ; b) negative - the last thing i fucking want to see is mechanically powered women nagging ; c) not self contained - at least the stupid nag you can beat into the ground.
mircea_popescu: ve hours of 20yo receptionist work, you're smack drab in the middle of exactly it. (and see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-25#1285777 )
mircea_popescu: and the other thing : that entire "it is unclear whether people aiming to make an artificial friend have seriously considered the much cheaper, ordinary kind" which i can't fucking find in the log for some reason goes A LOT deeper than generally realised. it's not "oh, i'm not discussing ai so it's not about me". yes, IT IS about you. if the software you're contemplating aims to take fifty hours of engineer work to replace fi
mircea_popescu: i don't need a fucking power button to recall i can turn off the box, i can type shutdown just fine.
mircea_popescu: this formalizes the problem with guis, "oh but mp, did you know you can italicize text ???" yes bitch, i fucking know about text italicizing. "no but maybe you forgot, here's a 60x60 pixel square on your screen shooting photons at your retina 60/60/24/7 so you remember". what the fuck am i supposed to be, a frog ? that my brain has no remanence, entirely powered off the visual field ?
mircea_popescu: and it's not ~just~ a horrible idea. it comes from a thorougly broken thought process. i'm not in fuckign school, to be informed via a push interface. i am an adult, i will pull for what i want. the only thing the world may do or should do is spread WHEN I SAY. and at no other point.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599268 << no. for the low low cost of adding a woman to sit next to the woman driving, i could have implemented this years ago. but honestly if the car came so equipped i'd fucking shoot the siri girl to fix the car. horrible fucking idea.
mircea_popescu: (these i used to buy like bitcoins in the early 2000s, possibly best car ever made.)
mircea_popescu: course ytou can't get the nice w200s faces anymore i don't think. because fucking "progress"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599242 << the last car i owned was e200. which i think is still in production and also a fine car in all respects.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-31 03:55 asciilifeform: i recommend to exempt it from the usual treatment, trinque et al, until i invent some radically new mechanism for the thing to work on, instead of postgres.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594569 && http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594581 << since most of those are 502s, yes those URLs can be exempted - i am a bit wary of introducing blacklist / ad hoc rules - after all, those phuctor URLs can later be re-archived, what's the pain - but maybe it's strainful to phuctor?
davout: i never claimed to be in the hosting business wtf
netmonk: you dont manage 500k servers like you manage the 10 servers of paymium
netmonk: i dont know much on their custemer support and product
netmonk: davout: but, at least, they run a very big platform, and they reach a very good state of automation, with fast CI.
netmonk: to make it short : ovh is good for hosting wp blog, online for the rest :)
ben_vulpes: i like the notion of an anti-system
davout: netmonk: the main issue with ovh is that they are niggers. unfit to do whatever they're postering as doing
davout: ah, this article doesn't really elaborate on the OVH part I guess
davout: ovh is a french company, stands for "on vous héberge" and are basically the niggers of the hosting business here in france
davout: but either way
ben_vulpes: yeah i see where i misread there now.
ben_vulpes: i don't know what sort of apology is due here as clearly nobody has ever even tried to apply those patches through a strict v, but i'm still going to go slam my head in a door until i get some of the stupid out
ben_vulpes: so duh, vdiff does not guarantee patches will be sensible in a v tree, and it is incumbent upon a patch-grinder to ensure their patches actually apply cleanly.
ben_vulpes: a question i have been wondering about for long is "why does the trb tree sit in a 'bitcoin' directory, wherever it's pressed", but it is not particularly irrelevant.
ben_vulpes: now, the patches apply cleanly if the patch utility is not passed -p1, but this makes for much floppiness.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/patches/ircbot-multiple-channels and http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-multiple-channels were ground diffing directories a/ and b/ with the relevant files therein, and the genesis patches for both trees ground from directories called 'ircbot' and 'logbot' respectively containing the relevant files
ben_vulpes: i realize in this moment that i did not miss the phuctorings.
trinque: that is beautiful paint on the land cruiser.
ben_vulpes: #clim report, day whatever: #clim appears to be 90% join/part spam from reineisch, 9% j/p from others, and 1% this beach feller saying "good morning everyone"
ben_vulpes: in other meat, holy shiksa brisket buttman
ben_vulpes: LET THE PHUCTORING RESUME
pete_dushenski: https://youtu.be/0OJjvYPV3oc?t=1m26s << yet another reason to avoid newer german cars (yes, the reich-gripped really are the worst offenders) : all-led lights. not just led drl and halogen/xenon high beams. the entire corners of cars will soon be led clusters with sophisticated programming that will selectively block light from shining in the eyes of on-coming traffic for example
pete_dushenski: can't blame you there
pete_dushenski: should mazda also only make miata because every else they make is garbage by comparison, even if it's class leading in a number of cases ?
pete_dushenski: also, lotsa people with money live where it's miserably cold most of the time. why let other companies sell you a winter vehicle ?
pete_dushenski: also, of your list, only population is a curious itch i'd want to scratch. the rest is sorta neither here nor there if i'm passing through on a road trip or what have you
gabriel_laddel_p: oh okay, well anyways that's the train of thought I'm exploring.
gabriel_laddel_p: pete_dushenski: have you ever wanted your car to list off a bunch of facts scraped from the web when you cross into a new jurisdiction?
pete_dushenski guiltily plays 'someday i'll buy x' game and doesn't begrudge others who do similarly
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: I have done very little to CLIM the library thus far - mostly creating, organizing and DOCUMENTING examples of what one can do with it.
pete_dushenski: could i think of better ways to spend ? $125k or whatever a gt4 is ? sure. but /me can still barely fathom whether gabriel_laddel_p is sitting on inheritence or if he expects masamune to be ~that~ big a success or if he's poster shopping for bedroom ceiling.
pete_dushenski: with the caveat... for a new porsche. in the breed, in the class, it's a tight, sexy, and sorta unrivaled package. selling over list last i checked too.
ben_vulpes: if i tell him there was an ice or crypto or ruin of usg thread he'll eat a few weeks in one sitting
pete_dushenski: gabriel_laddel_p: well whaddya wanna know about them ? and were you actually satisfied by my answer re: cayenne ??
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: and does your $bzprtnr actually read logs ??! fuck me if i new anyone in meatspace who read these. not that i'd be embarrased but that i'd have so much more in common with them!
gabriel_laddel_p: nfi, let's hear from the expert.
gabriel_laddel_p: pete_dushenski: okay, now what about the Cayman GT4?
ben_vulpes: 3rd would be the turbo
ben_vulpes: best thing about the car?
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: on the topic of dashboards, $bzprtnr got a 2012 wrx
ben_vulpes: speed, and how hard the engine is working.
ben_vulpes: there are 2 important readings in a car, and one of 'em can be had from your butt.
ben_vulpes: liquidassets: nah, just haven't seen you in the forum for a while up until that connection.
mircea_popescu: mandatory cam in car eh ? stop dem darn kids fucking in there! and smoking too!
liquidassets: ben_vulpes assuming you were talking to me just getting back from a 3 week vacation, back to South Cascadia. I'm going to go read through your blog, haven't spent much time there yet, but looks like a new look? Cheers.
ben_vulpes: and to think, i left an entire industry because one engineer at the firm when questioned about wasting money on a brand new vw microshitbox said "i just think everyone should own a brand new car once in their lifetime"
ben_vulpes: there will be no escaping computers and screens and soi-disant 'cockpits'
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you may be amused, rumor suggests mandatory backup cams in the near future
mircea_popescu: it's not altogether a bad plan, monkeys utterly unable to resist shiny
ben_vulpes: heh this is how the industry moves to automated cars
pete_dushenski has seen 'virtual cockpit' in new audi s3. it's rather nifty even if i wouldn't want to own it.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 2003 isn't a bad cut-off for cars manufacturing date. most recent news i heard was that nvidia was teaming up with audi for their next-gen vehicles and that some of the higher-end german models (though not just audi) have upwards of 100 ecus.
pete_dushenski: can't imagine the situation has ameliorated since
pete_dushenski: they most certainly aren't, at least last i checked maybe a decade ago
mircea_popescu: i said normative. ie, that derpy romcoms aren't using it as "the way".
pete_dushenski: but maybe those are the same thing.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: that this ~isn't~ the norm in maga-land is cause of no small degree of sexual frustration, which manifests in everything from mommy issues to passive aggressiveness
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's an arrangement a lot more common than generally realised. and not just in the us - most underclass parties consist of hiring one whore for a platoon and fucking her among beer breaks, until daybreak. consequently most cheap whores are well used to "the party of men".
pete_dushenski: too busy pounding github's pussy to bother
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski given the sardine living situation and the sad but true levels of machismo in the great swamp, it's a wonder gangbangs aren't the normative accuplation method.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: that was kinda my joke to him. dude can't afford a house in sv (but who can) so buys $100k suv. hell, makes for better date nights than 250sft loft shared with two other bros.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: musta missed that firmware recall but tbh honda was never in toyota's league. this honda issue merely reinforces the hierarchy. all is not lost for jp. far from it.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 04:16 BingoBoingo does not have time to watch advertising videos unless they are selling black girl pussy.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 03:32 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo : if/when my auto gives up the ghost, i'm getting another ~2003, and not because cheap, but because wtf omfg firmware?!
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform will plug the shiny new rewritten phuctorwerker back in when trinque's rss baselinesyncs
mircea_popescu: but for some reason nobody seems to have an alt preference. such as for instance because they don't exist or i have nfi
asciilifeform: speaking of rusty infrastructure, mircea_popescu -- the link to wot on your www appears to still point to mike_c's
mircea_popescu: and i see no problem with any other or only other services be used - which iirc i even said when bot spec for archival was drawn, that everyone making one should ideally use a diff service
mircea_popescu: i have nfi, item seems to work is the entire extent of the thing ; and i don't specifically know him to be a hitler crony, like i do specifically know archive.org to be a hitler crony.
mircea_popescu: right. anyway, to dispell the possible implication - it's not that i like secretly know whoever runs archive.is
mircea_popescu: o yeah, cuz i lifted the js for text selection from his site.
asciilifeform: granted that i do not know, if he left, if he stayed, what role he played. at least partly because d00d is not in the wot! and never speaks in the forum.
mircea_popescu: well i dun think anyone's a friend, including the baker. i've not yet geiger-countered the flour.
mircea_popescu: or whatever thousand others. i have nfi.
asciilifeform: but the perpetrator was still no friend.
asciilifeform: and granted if this had not happened, i probably would not have gotten off arse and rewritten the thing, and it would be ~useless nao.
mircea_popescu: now - wut of all of this ? maybe it was the same guy, i guess, maybe there was a conspiracy to reboot the server, i guess, maybe etcetera. i'm unconvinced nor do i see it matters any.
asciilifeform: but you're missing a letter between c and d, which is where the hoster found out about the particular weakness and started unplugging the box.
mircea_popescu: xing his code or going away ; e) so butthurt was alf over his code being no good in some particular and not terribly relevant way, he decided to go away. this caused phuctor to be offline for about a year. f) at some later point, getting a machine in the same datacenter if memory serves, alf declared that remnants from archive.is were found i dun recall how or where. this is entirely possible, and in any case i've not invest
mircea_popescu: a) alf wrote a first version of phuctor, which wasn't very good. this is excusable in that it was a first version, and altogether irrelevant ; b) alf's version being not very good was accidentally exposed through ordinary course of business ; c) alf got very butthurt at this circumstance, and kept whining about it in the logs ; d) having had enough of the whine at some later point, i presented him with the choice of either fi
mircea_popescu: look. i dunno what set of assumptions/convictions/determinations of fact you're operating under ehre, but to be plain, the situation as observed from my chair is as follows :
asciilifeform: the archive.is d00d.
asciilifeform: the 'we'll unplug nightly' thing.
asciilifeform: and, iirc, the very same wotless heathen who was responsible for the fate of dulap-1.
mircea_popescu: stop mixing everything together ffs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude the whole discussion was what happens if archive ~goes away~. NOT what happes if archive is down.
asciilifeform: is mircea_popescu really defending a single point of failure being presided over by wotless heathen ?
mircea_popescu: and if they're mitm'd, it's even more valuable, now we get a collection of strange zips.
mircea_popescu: not everything has or needs a deeply philosophical answer. archive bot should save the urls and get the zips. big whoop.
asciilifeform: well today, for instance, it WASN'T there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it beats it in that it's there.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1599001 << no dude, this suffers of apocriphal bible issue by now. point was that outsider ~can't distinguish~ between "different" identities in the sense of bit-different or cock-different.
asciilifeform: but it remains that relying on that one rando's box to create the zips, is a dubious thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because my working hypothesis was that my copy came from mitmtron.
phf: crapple uses open source code for unzipping. where's i believe pkware eventually open sourced their code too. so now there's two competing versions floating around.
mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall tracing the problem towards unzip version but giving up under barrage of strange.
asciilifeform: which one didja use phf -- the msdos one ?!
phf: i was playing along. i think could unpack it with pkzip, but not the open source equivalent
asciilifeform: this aside, the most recent thread began with archive.is being ~down~
asciilifeform: but otherwise yes
asciilifeform: i dun recall anybody but mircea_popescu trying the replicate
asciilifeform: forgot the magic-zip thread ?
asciilifeform: got garbage about half the time.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 03:00 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598945 << afaik the problem of how to archive remains open. i've though about truly dr.mengele-grade solutions: e.g., spin up os-cum-graphic-wwwbrowser in emulator, capture the rendered payload as bitmap, then destroy the universe, each time. treat www as nintendo rom!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598955 << just download the fucking archive.is archive zips already omygerd.
phf: fwiw i wouldn't say they are "trapped". as i don't think they care about anything else. they don't keep up to date with microsoft modern and bestest. they still release ms stack software with xp compatibility for example
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 02:56 asciilifeform: phf: the part where jp is pathologically, direly, trapped in winblowzland, is actually true.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p didja ever write down publicly what it was precisely that you did to clim ~other~ than to carve your initials into its flesh ?
asciilifeform: and since he's asleep i will predict what he would say, 'stfu, the perfume smells great, even if it is exactly same one you smelled decade ago without me, and i'll get the bubonic plague underneath out later!'
BingoBoingo: Anyways new Pinesol sucks because "reformulated" now just another perfumed mess of detergents
asciilifeform: (i will admit that until watching the film i held out hope that g_l ACTUALLY fixed the thing. but turns out -- no dice.)
BingoBoingo does not have time to watch advertising videos unless they are selling black girl pussy.
asciilifeform: i can still WATCH the fucking scrollbars draw.
asciilifeform: (and yes i watched the film)
asciilifeform: it is especially entertaining to asciilifeform that this was brought up, because in so far as i can tell the entire masamune thing is precisely an instance thereof, in its domain.
asciilifeform: for non-usaschwitzinmates, who have nfi what gabriel_laddel_p was on about: the medieval idiocy of hygiene-via-parfumery is alive and well in this monkeystan
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 00:36 gabriel_laddel_p: for the record, does anyone know of an intelligent person who uses air fresheners/fabreez?
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598772 << Cleanliness is the better than coverup, but OMG PineSol's active component is turpentine! Think of the wonder VOCs!
ben_vulpes: hah fml my v implementation presses into the same directory as that as which contains the patches and seals
ben_vulpes: battery tie down rod simply failed under torsional load: "that...didn't feel like the rust giving way. jesus /fuck/."
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: no breaker bar necessary, these were 10mm fuckers
asciilifeform: the z80 in my old toyota -- worked for 20+ yrs and probably worx even nao
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: for passenger car engine control computer for fuel injection is nearly necessary due to the ethanol dabacle
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598655 << Oh my? And what happened when you hit breaker bar with mallet? That's when things revealed their defects?
asciilifeform: some of the recent machines are rumoured to contain winblowz, even.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo : if/when my auto gives up the ghost, i'm getting another ~2003, and not because cheap, but because wtf omfg firmware?!
asciilifeform: (at least the thing wasn't a 'fly by wire', it remains physically possible to steer sans hydraulics, but the sudden wtf may well get you crunching under oncoming traffic or off a bridge )
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 21:26 gabriel_laddel_p: pete_dushenski: what do you think of the recent porsche cayennes?
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598613 << Until you get a mailing address a better question is "What are the dealbreakers I should look for on a 2003 Saturn L-series?"
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 02:25 pete_dushenski: one can only attribute the electronic reliability of toyotas and hondas to the availability of ~the right kind~ of coders in japan. compare and contrast with those of us or germany, it'd be a hoot.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598911 << apparently while i slept in my cave, jp went down the same toilet as everybody else: honda had a ~firmware bug~ recall recently , power steering controller crashed while in motion, users instructed to reboot motherfucking auto! on roadside
asciilifeform: (then again, maybe not)
asciilifeform: one of the minuses imho is that it will increase the cost of ferreting out cases of http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/ .
asciilifeform: (thread was iirc originally about a vtronic gentoo cleanup, and i noted that nobody with half a brain would sign a gig of dubious rubbish code with their naked, unvectored lordly key)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu proposed this as a somewhat cleaner solution to the vectored-sig problem
asciilifeform: it was about folks like asciilifeform having multiple keys that are used for different things, but wot-connected as if they were people
asciilifeform: Framedragger: 'sybil' in that thread meant something rather nonstandard
Framedragger: well, you mentioned sybil. this may help avoid sybil url submission spam. granted, the latter may be avoided by "only people currently voiced / currently in l2 / l1" filter, etc..
asciilifeform: reminds me of the scene in b00k 'atlas shrugged' where the zillionaires in the invisible magic valley give each other gold coins when borrowing cup of sugar
asciilifeform: and yes i have nfi what is with this preoccupation with charging each other pennies for a ~0-cost pipeline
asciilifeform: nobody wants to preside over the syphilitic bordello that would result.
phf: instead they's splitting bitcents between em :p
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: i think asciilifeform hates the idea of trusting fleanode to maintain nick-to-identity mappings. the !!up/down model was *supposed* to eliminate gribble-like state anyway, right?
a111: Logged on 2016-10-21 21:42 phf: they are using Qt webkit integration, either through a hacked up version of phantomjs, or something handwritten. there's enough hooks in qt, that you can figure out what was loaded, where it got stored in local cache and where it's being used.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: there's that station-key vs. identity-key idea of yours, perhaps the former could could be allowed to go a few cents into debit, though this is maybe a road to complexity madness..
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: from the log!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm not pulling out the fucking launch codes to sign a beobachter url omfg
a111: Logged on 2017-01-08 03:00 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598945 << afaik the problem of how to archive remains open. i've though about truly dr.mengele-grade solutions: e.g., spin up os-cum-graphic-wwwbrowser in emulator, capture the rendered payload as bitmap, then destroy the universe, each time. treat www as nintendo rom!
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-08#1598955 << problem is solved problem, just requires work. at the very least we can easily replicate archive.is functionality