mircea_popescu: yeah well, look at the results, they go 60/40 to 40/60. the 90/4 thing is an outlier, evidently it'll ahve to be crushed.
mircea_popescu: coupla hundred thousand dorks who imagine dc is their own personal github, to write "codes of conduct" for and come up with "restricitve political stances" and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: in any case the DC must be strangled, wtf is this, 90% hillary ? really ? that's the deep reason for all the fake news, all the unemployable idjits working as "staffers" and moonlighting as "journalists".
mircea_popescu: so as per a) it'd be west virginia (dude got 68.63% o.o) or else the 3rd district of nebraska. as per b) i guess pennsylvania. hold it in harrisburg ftw.
mircea_popescu: fuck you washington dc, i get 4% of the vote you get 96% income slashed off.
mircea_popescu: why even fucking entertain a bad restaurant where the waitresses (with singer-songwriter aspirations) and busboys (rappers!) didn't even vote for you ?
mircea_popescu: maybe send pence's secretary to send your regards to the washington thing and thatssat.
mircea_popescu: well logically, wouldn't you go hold your inauguration in either a) the state where you got the highest % or else b) in the state where hillary got the greatest margin below what she expected ? say something like "there's some people in this country who think they're better than everyone else, and i don't want to hang out with them"
a111: Logged on 2017-01-15 15:08 mircea_popescu: "But along with the celebrations, there will be a week of protest against a man who insulted Mexicans and Muslims and boasted about groping women. There were demonstrations against Richard Nixon in 1973 and George W Bush in 2001, but nothing on the scale Trump faces in Washington, a liberal bastion where he took just 4% of the vote (even Bush managed 9% in 2000). " << maybe dude moves the capital to salt lake city. wouldn't T
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-15#1603176 << iirc the man is not loved in mormonlandia -- recently came out iirc that their ~entire economy runs on 'servicing' the imaginary f35
mircea_popescu: ed. But we don't know what the causes are, nor how to deal with it."
mircea_popescu: "Regardless of how you view Trump and his positions, his election has led to a deep, deep sense of uncertainty and that will cast a long shadow over Davos," said Jean-Marie Guehenno, CEO of International Crisis Group, a conflict resolution think-tank. Moises Naim of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace was even more blunt: "There is a consensus that something huge is going on, global and in many respects unprecedent
mircea_popescu: oh, let the forgotten not be forgotten : "NPR-3 hours ago Iraqi forces are nearing what is expected to be the toughest part of the fight for the northern Iraqi city of Mosul."
mircea_popescu: "But along with the celebrations, there will be a week of protest against a man who insulted Mexicans and Muslims and boasted about groping women. There were demonstrations against Richard Nixon in 1973 and George W Bush in 2001, but nothing on the scale Trump faces in Washington, a liberal bastion where he took just 4% of the vote (even Bush managed 9% in 2000). " << maybe dude moves the capital to salt lake city. wouldn't T
mircea_popescu: This is unlike any inauguration weve seen, said Ben Wikler, Washington director of the progressive group MoveOn.org. Weve never seen a counter-inauguration that dwarfs the crowd at the inauguration itself. It will be unmistakeable where the energy is. It will be in the broad and diverse movement to oppose the Trump agenda. <<->> http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/
mircea_popescu: and in other #thedesperate http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/314384-trump-team-considering-evicting-press-from-white-house-report
mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, everyone agrees the us is a colony now, but from that it doesn't exactly follow which bits fall into which spheres of influence does it.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile "trump is with putin". why, because he gets in the way of the fake news being with china ?
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz : the news on china today is : the guardian pretending like china's telling trump what's what ; fox news pretending like china's telling trump what's what ; abc online sanely representing the situation ; cnn pretending like china's telling trump what's what ; nbcnews pretending like china's telling trump what's what ; washington post pretending like china's telling trump what's what in new words rather than
mircea_popescu: and in other things you had nfi about, "Northern Light Group, LLC is a company specializing in strategic research portals, enterprise search technology, and text analytics solutions."
mircea_popescu: http://cascadianhacker.com/2016/02 << check out your pagination (i'd show you exactly where but there's no way to select position in text ; scroll down to first place where there's a hash)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i have words from mp's free critique services : 1. too big font, too much whitespace => way too few words in right column ; 2. single utility column => too much scrolling to get articles ; 3 no good structuring of history (and i dun care about your categories enough to want them listed) ; 4. bad idea to put whole article in archive listing, because then you have to paginate the months which defeats the whole point
mats: and even with the augmentation from reserves, tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of folks saw 'stop-loss' orders, that is, 'fuck you, this 6/9/12 month deployment is actually getting extended until further notice because needs of the army'
mats: which makes sense, they've proven their effectiveness especially as DoD's operational tempo continued to go up in those years
mats: i suppose the one interesting thing from the confirmation hearing is the stated intention to put the National Guard and various branch Reserve components in a state of readiness as it was in the decade following 9/11
mats: and three additional deployments to the Baltics planned, as per the 'European Reassurance Initiative' https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/06/03/fact-sheet-european-reassurance-initiative-and-other-us-efforts-support-
mats: trinque: i read the transcript and it was boring
ben_vulpes: https://medium.com/@barmstrong/coinbase-and-the-irs-c4e2e386e0cf#.g97yatuqf << you're a narc, brian armstrong. nobody likes a narc.
ben_vulpes: new comments and posts on the front page, comments now fully threaded
mircea_popescu: aha so pingbacks work then
mircea_popescu: in other news, i just got a pingback for an article you published in 2014
mircea_popescu: oh no wait, wrong card. READ THE ERROR MESSAGE
ben_vulpes: possibly less than the previous thing
mircea_popescu: ahaha that's a right proper mess of a page you got there
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/01/ringling-brothers-quitting-as-circus-business-eclipsed-by-reality/ << Qntra - Ringling Brothers Quitting As Circus Business Eclipsed By Reality
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: aaaaa you eschew the /page/n thingy
a111: Logged on 2017-01-15 01:25 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1603049 << this is something your theme sorts out. the way trilema works there's a single.php and an index.php ; the former gets loaded when a definite article is being viewed, the latter when trilema.com/ root is being viewed, and pulls a random article. yours could do something else.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/i-think-they-might-be-overdoing-it-in-places/ << Trilema - I think they might be overdoing it in places.
asciilifeform: no but specifically a heathenware one
mircea_popescu: you know, specifying what kind of plastic pipe to shove up their asses.
mircea_popescu: nah, somebody paid 100 rubles for "a service" and in the process created a whole fucking club of burker ging eaters droning on about THE WEB INDUSTRY IN RUSSIA
asciilifeform: my first guess was that the thing was silently pwned long ago, and attempts 'driveby' shitwareization, but no dice.
mircea_popescu: ie, adult male hired inept kid to "do something or the other" because kid's mother won't shut up.
asciilifeform: https://sks-ural.com/staty/tehnicheskoe-obsluzhivanie-schetchika-vody-v-ekaterinburge << from referheaderspam on dulap! and it goes, and goes, every hour, every day! can anyone posit hypothesis why a water meter repair (apparently legit, and 0 other commercial content) spams ?
mircea_popescu: i saw a pretty lulzy thing in this vein today, there was a horde of zombies going by an advertising to a tv show about zombies.
mircea_popescu: fuck you, they're a dragon.
asciilifeform: the people in the 'urodskaja-rosija' thing, are at least recognizably ~people~. no fupas.
mircea_popescu: and in other "personal motivation a la russe", http://68.media.tumblr.com/1515f9cf19d861959a44acdb5e759f8f/tumblr_ni30nepPzb1u073mco1_1280.jpg
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 22:14 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what's the mp-wp blessed method for a custom root page? i've tried writing a front-page.php (which mp-wp didn't eat, suggesting that front-page.php was a post 2.7 introduction? their documentation doesn't do time travel, so the archaeology is tough); and twiddling home.php (but i can't get home.php to behave conditionally depending on whether it's the site root)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1603049 << this is something your theme sorts out. the way trilema works there's a single.php and an index.php ; the former gets loaded when a definite article is being viewed, the latter when trilema.com/ root is being viewed, and pulls a random article. yours could do something else.
BingoBoingo: Well hence the cutting edit
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: "other altcorn(s) tested"
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo you recall lafond's piece in which he wonders why is it women think it a good idea to try and stick their fingers up the anus while sucking cock ? << will have to look
ben_vulpes: i suppose i could conditionally switch on the url, but i prefer the scalpel or well-chosen wrench to the sledgehammer.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what's the mp-wp blessed method for a custom root page? i've tried writing a front-page.php (which mp-wp didn't eat, suggesting that front-page.php was a post 2.7 introduction? their documentation doesn't do time travel, so the archaeology is tough); and twiddling home.php (but i can't get home.php to behave conditionally depending on whether it's the site root)
a111: Logged on 2017-01-10 01:10 pete_dushenski: "In particular, the avian forebrain (the part of the brain involved in problem-solving and other higher-order cognitive capacities) is actually derived from the same neuroanatomical substrate as the mammalian forebrain, providing more potential evidence for similar cognitive capacities in the two groups (Jarvis et al. 2005)." << see ? just like you and me.
pete_dushenski: "Now 4 years old, Daliyah has read more than 1,000 books and has managed to read certain college-level texts." << in other unintentional msm hilarity very much in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-10#1600008
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602989 << bwhahaha i thought they hated zuck because too uncommunist.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 18:04 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6Nqdd/?raw=true << decryptomization (they now block arch.is??!) of depdfization of the Protocols of The Elders of Trumpzion
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602954 << you know about those stale whores nobody cares about releasing "sex tapes" in the vague hope that maybe a faux air of clandestinity may spur a last drop of interest ?
mircea_popescu: and in other instruments, http://68.media.tumblr.com/5233b3ec2ae78f05d7d7468a7f6032a4/tumblr_oajflh540y1sqb7wro4_1280.jpg
ben_vulpes: the depths of my hatred for ego markup consumer goods, their purchasers and advertisers simply cannot be plumbed
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: but if you don't undertake projects like engine rebuilding, you'll never get to bask in the glory that is the qr-code-engraved engine piston from 6.2l v8 http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p504/mazdeuce/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20170114_101951_zps2wcspwel.jpg
ben_vulpes: what the hell is wrong with people
pete_dushenski: famous last words of guy who bought hand-built unobtanium (mercedes r63 amg) and blew the engine at 100k miles. dude decided to rebuild engine ~himself~ instead of fork over $57k to stealership for engine rebuild. http://archive.is/ucbbc#selection-1829.1-1859.36
pete_dushenski: "In reality I'm just hoping that maintenance doesn't end up costing me more then depreciation would over five years ownership of a new minivan."
pete_dushenski: there was one day last week that it was taking upwards of an hour to archive links and they were getting stuck in queue forever, but seems to be nippy now.
phf: well, some black men refer to me as brother, i don't see any reason not to respond in kind
indiancandy: so if your nonblack your not a brother
indiancandy: why do you refer to black men as brothers
indiancandy: not everyone understands the florida accent
shinohai: MURICAN MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU SPEAK IT?
phf: if a brother's going to run this country, i want it to be a proper nigga
phf: i'd rather gucci mane
trinque: or rather, commissioned by mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: containing gems like 'he is happy to be seen as ru stooge, to distract from the truth, where he is chinese stooge'
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6Nqdd/?raw=true << decryptomization (they now block arch.is??!) of depdfization of the Protocols of The Elders of Trumpzion
Framedragger: esp. the ending, the connection is maybe *too* blunt, even: Ed goes "You get some distance on it. And, all those twists and turns, well they’re the shape of your life . . . Seeing it whole, gives you some peace.” vs meursault getting a kind of climax in his cell, pacing in circles, accepting 'benign indifference' of the universe, or somesuch (been long time ago too)
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
Framedragger: the main guy is meursault in my reading
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you recall lafond's piece in which he wonders why is it women think it a good idea to try and stick their fingers up the anus while sucking cock ?
mircea_popescu: and in other hardware news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/c2d22d40cd3afddd872434e577986151/tumblr_ohsddw5ymK1socueto2_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: yeah, all the way to akkerman (bilhorod-dnistrovskyi).
mircea_popescu: (i find it no end of amusing that today the same romania isn't agitating for eating up the western third of the actuak ukraine, "historically romanian territory")
mircea_popescu: anyway, it was part of the ro agitation towards the ukraining of the austro-hungarian empire and giving it some parts.
mircea_popescu: "better die in battle with untarnished honor than be a slave again on the old homeland"
Framedragger: oh wow, that's not the worst thing to be become part of an anthem for sure! (if google translate is to be believed; the latter part is translated as "...than slaves upon the old ground" which has a nice ring to it)
Framedragger: the mp-way!
Framedragger: worth a visit in the summer. peninsula (Neringa) is nice, would recommend
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: the island of post-soviet (homeland) for the time being :) it has a proper summer, friends, forests, sea and lower living costs; i don't know where i will land after that that, if anywhere. for the first time not worried, tho.
Framedragger: (nice trb dev log there btw)
ben_vulpes: well, i'm the one interested.
phf: mod6: actually ignore that entire subthread, i'm reading the log backwards :/
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 00:57 mod6: Even though the flow is correct, it depends on changes that are no longer there for files such as init.cpp...
ben_vulpes: "Anyway, the experiment more or less failed. I began to suspect the reasons behind JSP's ugly appearance had less to do with Java than with the crazy idea of mushing two unrelated languages and syntaxes together."
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 05:10 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: show me the html file with common lisp in it
phf: for example here's a version of current experimental patchset, with missing antecedents rendered. (purple nodes at the bottom of the graph) http://glyf.org/tmp/missing-antecedents.svg
phf: i've reworked the graph/press code while working on press/blame renderer, and in the process discovered various issues with the current approach. so i wouldn't really look at the press/graph for reference at the moment
phf: yeah, there's a routing issue, that i fixed, but haven't put in production yet. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602644 << http://btcbase.org/patches (without slash at the end)
phf: graph rendering, whether you remove links or not, simply shoes what links to what. if nothing links, than there's nothing in the algo to indicate that lack of linking, whether you have that extra edge or not
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 00:59 mod6: His graph doesn't show all of the edges, and as this correctly highlights, I believe to be less than perfect.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602646 << actually this makes no difference if i do or if i don't. the correct solution that's sitting on my laptop is to explicitly check for exhaustive anticedents, and then render a missing link if there's one missing
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: show me the html file with common lisp in it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not according to archive.is ; maybe they invented a whole new web or something.
asciilifeform: ah with the qt thing
ben_vulpes: aye, there were macos bins.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: did the prbistas even distribute bins for anything but winblowz ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i appreciate the concern. nobody in my wot's operating under the delusion that modernly available bitcoin clients will move their coins safely.
asciilifeform: why not subscribe him to mtgox then.
ben_vulpes: wasn't in the mood for trbquest on civvy machine
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lel, maidsafe?! in there. i had nfi still existed
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 03:08 mircea_popescu: this is utterly incomprehensible. so there's this bunch of bots that keep making empty post requests, identify as googlebot. here's a sample :
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/Gnziq <<< powering the ethereum revolution, among other unheretoforeheardof lulz
mircea_popescu: (you may be excused from thinking that's a stupid question, as it is, but nevertheless the rust lingo is insane in this vein. "why can i not borrow a boxed vector content as mutable" ie let's make up a whole lingo of nonsense)
mircea_popescu: anyway, /me tires of #rust. there's been 500 join/parts and strictly one line ("<clmg> How do I borrow a vector mutably while iterating over that vector? Is it possible?") in the past 3 hours.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> watching glue dry is better nao. << How are the urethane warts doing?
mircea_popescu: "Your free speech is not our problem. We recognize that this policy is a restrictive political stance. That is the intent. If you want a room with different rules, go create one."
mircea_popescu: oh unsurprisingly enough rust has a "code of conduct". this is getting to be signal-positive : if $item has "code of conduct", $item is comprised of idiots, imbeciles and their handlers.
mircea_popescu: so i thought long and hard wtf it could be, and it finally occured to me maybe they're using the pingback checking trilema does to "drive traffic", ie, dorks "buy traffic", spammer asks list of wordpress installs to check if dork has pingback, dork thinks he's getting "uniques".
mircea_popescu: but as the months wore on (no fucking kidding, half a year +, 2-3-5 a minute, every minute, no exception, i've seen by now 10`000s of ips doing THIS and this only) i started thinking maybe i'm the stupid one here ?
mircea_popescu: at first i thought they're trying to spam trilema, and doing it from central ip but inept enough to not realize that the custom error message trilema spits if you try this is NOT a success (ie, matching for failure, and failing to move on). ie, stupid.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the idiocy of ... seriously, you're going to specify BOTH request time and request time float to be passed around through each request forever ?!?! ... wtf is this ? empty posts to xmlrpc.php. why.
mircea_popescu: this is utterly incomprehensible. so there's this bunch of bots that keep making empty post requests, identify as googlebot. here's a sample :
asciilifeform: speaking of shitware lelz, i have here a toy comp that logs in 'with finger', and after the incident with the cement, guess wat!!
mircea_popescu: in other holy shit wtf is wrong with people - mp decides to examine wtf are these dorks doing to his xmlrpc.php. so he writes in serialize($_POST), which is apparently how you're supposed to do this. but which also promptly fucks something up
mircea_popescu: every once in a while it'll happen that a retard has a good idea and fucks it up in the implementation. this is unavoidable, and some dirtying of hands will occur.
asciilifeform: why did i have to saw dbus out of emacs? ~why was it there??!~ to begin with.
mircea_popescu: this has not so much to do with them and a lot to do with satoshi being a derp.
asciilifeform: the idiots had very real impact,
asciilifeform: the 1 place i must disagree is 'idiocy outside does not matter to adult. the sweat i put in to remove the fleas from trb, but also from many other things so that i could even attempt that work, was quite real.
mircea_popescu: so, yet again : either you know computers, today, in which case you don't need the "open source" usgtards ; or else you don't know computers, today, in which case YOU NEVER WILL. period. no escape, no buts, no nothing. you NEVER WILL. and consequently it fucking does not matter one diddly what you do, be it github or reddit or writing lengthy missives to asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: the fact that no one is surprised is an argument for what i was saying.
mircea_popescu: well imagine those schmucks, born in 1910, starved duyring puberty, while orphaned by influenza, then spent their adult years at war, by the time they were 40 they had a cot of their own and enough fleas to satisfy their dog best friend, because woman was old and ugly already when they met.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tried to try out rust. he gets no bots, has to make his own irc server, there's no phf etc.
mircea_popescu: so : if you're EVER GOING TO BE an adult, the idiocy outside doesn't matter. and if the idiocy outside matters, you weren't ever going to be an adult anyway. entirely disjunct sets
asciilifeform: what was the thing of esr?
mircea_popescu: but at the risk of repeating myself, here it is again : esr, fabled luminary of the "blabla programming style" failed to get his thing done in a week. mp, fabled terrorist, managed to get his thing done in a week.
asciilifeform: other than 'hey if you're an adult and weren't born yesterday, Things Work'
mircea_popescu: so then it is entirely unclear what your position is after all.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, 'modern computing' folx are essentially characters from lem's 'futurological congress', thinking that they have all kinds of neato tech, e.g., robot servants, but the latter are just d00ds doped up to think they are robots, and those served -- doped up also, to think they own robots, etc.
asciilifeform: i will confess, at one point i contemplated a 'vtronic bsd', but i have difficulty mustering any further enthusiasm for keeping unix on life support
asciilifeform: but ~somebody~ is stuck with the thankless chore of determining which package gotta ./configure with --no-herp, which -- --no-derp, etc
trinque: certainly in the case of both portage and bsd ports, "I got my patch past one community organizer idiot" is no standard of merit
trinque: the thing lacking is people using the exact same "flavor" names (flavors being analogous to use flags)
asciilifeform: just say, honestly, 'the year of our lord is motherfucking 1975 and there is no such thing as autoloading of proggies from network, what is this, science fiction'
trinque: point being it may not be unreasonable system tuning work to modify the build process of packages; what openbsd has is quite close to having portage feature parity
asciilifeform: the pretense is annoying.
asciilifeform: trinque: i'd actually rather it all went away.
trinque: so, socialist bureau of portage community is supposed to be there always?
trinque: it does lack the "dbus is haram" across packages, which is certainly an omission.
trinque: the ports makefile system is pretty clear
trinque: it didn't take me longer than 5min to copy the openbsd emacs makefile and remove everything I didn't want
asciilifeform: to briefly revisit my actual complaint re openbsd -- if i want emacs but NOT dbus, i am reduced to, more or less, 'make own unix', rather than using openbsd as such.
mircea_popescu: so it's a bit of a pointless victory of the imaginary kind.
mircea_popescu: so the point is essentially moot. yes, if anyone gave a shit "they'd form their whole worldview through watching cnn". the problem is that the people watching cnn aren't goingto ever form a worldview anyway, and the people who will ever have formed a worldview don't watch it.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing that'll turn taaki into a human being.
mircea_popescu: point is - either you're an adult or you aren't. if you're an adult you don't find out where your asshole goes from googling assholes. if you're not an adult there is no hope for you anyway, no matter what.
asciilifeform: eh that's too easy and includes most of the extant crapola, trinque
mircea_popescu: wtf would i install ? "oh i wonder what these new things called ides are, how about i install one and try it out"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is 'download', and there is 'distill from unicorn juice', and i suppose there is, in mircea_popescu's case, 3rd button on the dial, 'ask friend to do it'. but i do not know of a 4th button.
whaack: i asked for one a long time ago but i never got the game working and didn't save the dpaste message unfortunately
mircea_popescu: there's no future for english speaking children. we knew this already.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why tge fuck would i DOWNLOAD it! wtf am i, new ? this is like going "go google something and see if you can find something besides wikipedia". dude... srsly, i'm googling things now ? let me try this, oh, let's google "mathematics" see what happens, I NEVER THOUGHT OF THIS BEFORE
trinque: started reading the python source for portage, barfed.
asciilifeform: i.e. thing was less sanitary, by long shot, than the shoddiest gentoo.
asciilifeform: i soured almost totally on openbsd when i labouriously set up a box, with all of the proggies i rely on for daily use, and found that emacs COULD NOT be de-poetteringized without eschewing the ports system entirely
asciilifeform: (today, only mine, and trinque's, and maybe 5 other d00dz have 'personal' gentoos that still behave this way. fueled with unicorn cunt juice.)
asciilifeform: but my q was in re 'does it properly ban the poetteringization'
asciilifeform: so from their pov 'it's our way or highway', 'systemd, winblows, crapple, or go write own device drivers'
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 01:28 mircea_popescu: aqnyway, the "hive mind" is fucking comedic already. FIVE YEARS with the subverted python, got them nowhere. close to five years pushing rust, nothing to show for it. systemd is still mostly a joke, and the hatred is growing exponentially while the pustule is growing logarithmic at that. meanwhile the republic cracked open the heartbleed in quite the painful fashion, no matter how much effort went into "rehappening" it. not t
mod6: The good news is, it sounds like we're all aligned on this.
asciilifeform: you gotta check the antecedents recursively, as i did.
asciilifeform: mod6: afaik the 'edge case' here behaves 100% correctly in my vtron.
mircea_popescu: all the bad hbo productions cranking up to 11 a theoretical future in which everything is "mobile" and "intelligent" by default ain't gonna make the fad not be a fad.
mircea_popescu: yeah, really. mozilla hanging on to dear life, mostly through its actual workspace having been cannibalized by google at great expense, because holy shit people are going to give up "web" altogether and nobody cares about the tablets in the long run.
mircea_popescu: situation is fucking dire and the winter is coming, in the sense of it being late november, there's frosts at night.
mircea_popescu: o mention ancient strongholds of usgism such as kock-gpg, tor or (again) openssl are being butchered left and right. the attempted anti-bitcoins failed to catch on.
mircea_popescu: aqnyway, the "hive mind" is fucking comedic already. FIVE YEARS with the subverted python, got them nowhere. close to five years pushing rust, nothing to show for it. systemd is still mostly a joke, and the hatred is growing exponentially while the pustule is growing logarithmic at that. meanwhile the republic cracked open the heartbleed in quite the painful fashion, no matter how much effort went into "rehappening" it. not t
mod6: asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch
mod6: I'll work on getting axiom into place in the code, will update further if I hit another issue or need further discussion/direction:
mod6: mircea_popescu: thanks for talking me through it though. Even though for some out there, this might be painfully obvious stuff, but it's not, at least for me. So it's worth going over in detail.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : blog.rust-lang.org went away. there is a https://archive.is/pwdGh however.
mircea_popescu: ok so you pruned the theoretical tree for only things that touch same file. ok, makes sense in my head now
mod6: so those four, are vpatches that touch the same files that "asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch" touches.
mircea_popescu: and i thought win-32 is actually a codependency for ver_now_5_4 alongside thermonyukyoolar.
mircea_popescu: or else just on the last one.
mircea_popescu: either it depends on the whole tree up to it, ie genesis, asciilifeform.1, rm_rf, asciilifeform.2, asciilifeform.4, dnsseed_snip, zap_hardcoded
mod6: Once I have that part correct, will update and continue wrapping up the automated tests. Then further testing will begin, etc.
mircea_popescu: which are the 4 antecedents for my curiosity ?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, me reads " Eric, a year ago I came to similar conclusions. Watching the chaos on the mailing lists and IRC channel,", proceeds to join #rust, is shocked by the sound of utter silence. maybe the guy meant join/part spam, who knows. nice going anyway.
mircea_popescu: yeah but you should do "all" rather than "any"
mod6: and removal of one doesn't, in my current implementation, ensure it's removal, as there are three other antecedents for this.
mod6: so technically, yeah, "asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch" has four antecedents.
mircea_popescu: if that's removed from the flow, how could it still press
mod6: ah, since there are more than one graph edge, it must be clobbered as well, "asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch", I mean.
mod6: So I'm thinking that I need to add an additional check to ensure that every vpatch has a corresponding, existing, antecedent in the current flow.
mod6: So my code finds all the decendants, then topographically sorts them. Then press based on the flow.
mod6: And for that one edge, it does make sense, but since that vpatch changes more than one file, this causes a problem when the files being changed do not aligh.
mod6: There is an edge betwee"bitcoin-asciilifeform.4-goodbye-win32.vpatch" and "asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch" which causes my V to think that "asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch" still belongs in the flow.
mod6: His graph doesn't show all of the edges, and as this correctly highlights, I believe to be less than perfect.
mod6: So basically what I'm seeing is that, once I discover my proper decendants, I also need to reverse check the graph for ~existing~ antecedents to ensure that a proper press can happen.
mod6: Even though the flow is correct, it depends on changes that are no longer there for files such as init.cpp...
mod6: This vpatch can not press correctly: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/patches/asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch
mod6: So, the problem.
mod6: I expected "asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip.vpatch""asciilifeform_zap_hardcoded_seeds.vpatch", and "asciilifeform_zap_showmyip_crud.vpatch" to be removed from the flow.
mod6: Referring to this DAG: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html
mod6: So basically, the deal is, that when using TRB, I have one user in my wot, say "mod6", and I drop out a vpatch from the flow, say "asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip.vpatch" by moving it's seal to "asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip.vpatch.mod6.sig.foobar", then I expected a few things to happen.
mod6: I've created some new tests and all of which have been looking good. But then I noticed what seems like a problem on the last, new test, to implement. In fact, it was the last step of the last new test.
mod6: While implementing automated tests for the wot-variant changes for V (99994) last night, I ran into an issue.
mircea_popescu: i figure if he sticks to it people will slowly migrate their schedules.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> "weds 14:00 to 16:00, phf's lisp class". << this would be pretty cool actually. i'd attend if I could get the timing right...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no contest. 1st rule of history vs feeling, is that the folx who inhabited 'history', largely didn't give half a fuck
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think your reading there maps more to feeling than to history.
asciilifeform: winter with the goats.
asciilifeform: i can't speak for others, but it was always ~that~ part that turned my stomach, reading about olden timez.
asciilifeform: because there is this thing called winter.
mircea_popescu: why did you get the idea ru peasant spent time "indoors" ?
asciilifeform: who the fuck cares 'per area' of forest