mircea_popescu: oh and also "danielpbarron> why would adding a declaration like this cause it to crash? apparently some other change i made that works without crashing on its own conflicts with this somehow".
asciilifeform: aaah, that's not a kalash at all, but american m-whatever-with-shit-bolted-on-the-sides.
jurov: and the issue is null dereference in destructor
mircea_popescu: and in other news, after #chainstate ended up making people learn lisp, #eulora is now making people learn c
mircea_popescu: or the cats. yep.
asciilifeform: (entirely plausibly, those with the described characteristics are simply more likely to pick up the microbe, rather than vice-versa)
mircea_popescu: ah, i'm not proposing anything of the sort, just giving some "stuff related", ie, that he's not entirely on his own
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i read this (iirc, this very one) when it came out, and still question the arrow of causality here
mircea_popescu: oh speaking of schizophrenia, anyone seen the film i watched last night and which is quite excellent on the topic but i can't rememeber its name ?
a111: Logged on 2015-10-24 19:25 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/06/another_diagnosis_of_schizophr.html >> quite worth a read.
mircea_popescu: survey study, "Consistent and significant differences in Cattell's personality factors were found between Toxoplasma-infected and -uninfected subjects in 9 of 11 studies, and these differences were not the same for men and women."
mircea_popescu: trinque effects of toxoplasmosis is somewhat well studied. for one thing it's very prevalent. for the other, it DOES affect rat behaviour.
trinque: I don't think you realize the politics behind it.
Framedragger: meh. dropping the whole 'all this is mayongenderism omg' forum kerfuffle, you think gender played an actual part here? :)
trinque: they should streamline this into a state-sanctioned rehabilitation program.
asciilifeform: in other non-news, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/824E48D75383F65BF17D4C0103619CA0085F767E << a very, very busy usg beaver.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in quite other non-news, apparently there is a ru clone ( http://oao-ka.ru/Vremennyj_katalog/Kanal_nye_shifratory_konfidecial_noj_informacii/APPARAT_ShIFROVANIJa_POTOKOV_CIFROVOJ_INFORMACII_SA295-1___KORD-KM__.htm ) of usg's 'taclane' channel cipherator.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> unrelatedly, and BingoBoingo might find this interesting, i finally tamed one of the wildcats, but she died four days later. i dug grave at midnight, and wondered if neighbours would call police. but nobody did. << I usally bury dead critters found on premises as well. Just keep them out of the compost.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> you should see the riverfront here. miles of what anywhere else would be primo waterfront real estate, covered in old garbage. << Just like Murican cities!
asciilifeform: when carnivorous beast lives in the forest, where it belongs, elementarily its population does not explode grotesquely as in old woman's basement etc.
asciilifeform: they congregate, unnaturally, around the concentrated (and typically quite unhealthy) food sources
asciilifeform: the problems of the cats are a scale model of the problems of the inhabitants of modern socialist monkeystans
trinque admits *wanting to* find that infection drove these creatures to live in animal shit
trinque: gotta wonder what role toxoplasmosis plays in the hoarding.
asciilifeform: now this is interesting, and has weight, because i actually envied the old woman her ability to get the cats to come indoors
mircea_popescu: yes there's a lot of cats to the crone which superficially contrasts the lots of sheep to the shepherd, but that is driven by the relative size not the actual relationship.
mircea_popescu: cat is a preditor. the old woman is ~ a farmed animal, roughly in the sense of the afids ants keep.
asciilifeform: but some folx get carried away, my next door old woman turned out to be 'cat hoarder', ended up in hospital somehow, and her relatives called in the d00dz in gas masks and chem suits
hanbot: asciilifeform: she wanted to be important, i imagine. you shouldn't feed fish to cats, don'tchaknow, cause what if that's not what's good for them. this, ofc, buried in metric fuckton of babbling, todo biens, etc. i'm honestly ashamed i didn't outright sock her one. i end up questioning whether i've a moral imperative to massacre almost every time i venture out by now.
mircea_popescu: "why shouldn't this be just like miami ? it's hot and by the water!" "yes, but miami is mostly party sluts and rich old jewish ex-party-sluts ; wheres buenos aires is the world's largest open air feebleminded reservation." "so ?"
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/postcards-from-retardistan/ << 2nd picture. orc real estate agent steals the windows and tries to charge what they do in miami. they're not simply orcs, not here.
mircea_popescu: they think this is a country! that they should get rents! and salaries! and be paid! holy shit ?
mircea_popescu: in the fucking shop ?
asciilifeform: hanbot: what did the old woman want
asciilifeform: (where would they get'em ?)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, it most pointedly it's not. see the noise discussion, where was it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i saw quite a few old-fashioned greasy mechanic shops on the streets of b-a
mircea_popescu: the ivy league of argentina is not qualified to populate san quentin.
mircea_popescu: anyone seriously looking for practical proof re the whole race-intelligence nonsense is invited to spend some time in buenos aires doing anything. start a bakery, i don't care.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: t. dalrymple once wrote about a beach in liberia, where the locals would not even bother to build a latrine, just shat in the sand
mircea_popescu: i don't think the depths of argentina imbecility can either be comprehended or described withouy a multi-year commitment. it's just a different planet down here.
mircea_popescu: no development in sight, 100 feet to a highway. they put the fucking highway by the ~best land in town.
mircea_popescu: you should see the riverfront here. miles of what anywhere else would be primo waterfront real estate, covered in old garbage.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my last summer near the black sea, there was ~no beach, closed, sewage.
mircea_popescu: will waddle through the characteristic ocre brown of sewage. soberania, argentina no es un pais pobre, etcetera.
mircea_popescu: here's a pro tip : the "vida de noche" etc fashionable resort is "mar del plata". from reports it's a) all fambly beach, very densely populated, NO PARTIES and b) deeply contaminated with sewage. they don't care.
asciilifeform: how can anything live there.
asciilifeform: there are fishermen in buenos aires ?!
mircea_popescu: lol pobrecitamo is quite an apt to describe the local retard.
hanbot: asciilifeform's feral cat appreciation nodule would prolly enjoy the pobrecitamos shore here (found only recently because super labyrinthine/unmarked pedestrian access). penniless 'fishermen' sit on concrete stumps and occasionally pull up ~minnow, cats abound, waiting for 'might as well throw it to the cats'. nevertheless they manage to be very skinny, and fairly confused.
Framedragger: https://archive.is/Z6JDu << gabriel_laddel_p's "A Realistic Solution to the Education Problem", finally found time to read through it, not bad. guess it's been discussed before tho
asciilifeform: but i still have the fleas. so i suppose i could open flea circus.
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, and BingoBoingo might find this interesting, i finally tamed one of the wildcats, but she died four days later. i dug grave at midnight, and wondered if neighbours would call police. but nobody did.
asciilifeform: and also that there is a ~monument of steve jobs~
asciilifeform: relatedly, i found that streets of odessa are all on 'google street', and discovered that ~every single cafe there is a mcdonalds now.
mircea_popescu: "this grana padano slice is the "pizza" with highest cheese per portion content ever : 100%"
mircea_popescu graced the subte (subway) today. the advertising is something else! "pizza #1 por cantidad the queso por porcion".
asciilifeform: trinque has it. all that's left is your own hands. 'if not you, then who' etc.
trinque: also left with your own hands, and whatever you've done with them
asciilifeform: and quite possibly the real people died long, long ago.
thestringpuller: In Aldous Huxely's dystopia misinformation takes over real education. What are you left with when all the real people die off?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: try quitting reddit, it is better for you than even quitting cigarettes
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: who's that
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: so. the more I read from people like Emin (a "respected" academic) the more sad I become that education is now a scam. maybe its true. can't beat stupid.
mircea_popescu: (yes, alb = white. in romanian and other languages)
mircea_popescu: o look, the uterine / viteline thing dun work in english. aaanyway. "any other bovine" i guess.
mircea_popescu: "Step 2. The state will maintain a fund for buying 18yo females for the puporse of populating the breeder farms - "
mircea_popescu: altogether unlikely*
mircea_popescu: it's altogether woman in question is going to eat anything. she's just as uterinely productive as any other viteline ; that she chooses to "have problems" is ultimately uninteresting.
asciilifeform: there are indeed folx who quietly and decorously eat pistol, like gentlemen, without any reddit component. but because no reddit, there is no trivial telescope to see them through, and they do not leave 'good example' to those who must learn.
mircea_popescu: you know, every guy in kresty dreams of one day becoming basically like us, with enough money to buy a round for everyone. and they think that if they did get the money, that's how they used it.
asciilifeform: ants don't eat pistols though. people -- do. so sometimes they decode enough of 'own dna'.
mircea_popescu: thereby you know you're asleep and dreaming. because the machinery that'd allow the item know its dna precludes it being ant-shaped ; and the culture it requires to know morse precludes it being ant-substance.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-17 13:25 mircea_popescu: at was denial and delusion. I am a genetic mistake. I'm a complete waste. I am disgusting. Here to forever be the "duff" (designated ugly fat friend). Equivalent to a pet dog." << riight, and i'm supposed to provide the gallons and bushels of wsod required to make this pass as in-character, somehow ? how!
thestringpuller: mats: yea. that's so people could mod the interface for raids and shit.
mircea_popescu: hey therer
mircea_popescu: at was denial and delusion. I am a genetic mistake. I'm a complete waste. I am disgusting. Here to forever be the "duff" (designated ugly fat friend). Equivalent to a pet dog." << riight, and i'm supposed to provide the gallons and bushels of wsod required to make this pass as in-character, somehow ? how!
pete_dushenski: in other recommended security measures, http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/01/11/national/crime-legal/researchers-warn-fingerprint-theft-peace-sign/#.WH2XRyMrK2z
pete_dushenski: these 5% yoy prop tax increases will come to an end, and when they do the budgets will start getting trimmed from above and replaced from below.
mircea_popescu: aite then, i guess there must be some nooks and crannies where the 1k machine makes sense.
pete_dushenski: cops think they're carrying on the rcmp legacy. might bang some hookers or move some drugs but not shaking down small businesses.
pete_dushenski: really, the prairies are bizarelly, truly insanely above boards.
mircea_popescu: well yes depends where. if you put the bitcoin thing in your shed in mississiauga nobody'll bother you. literally.
pete_dushenski: 'picking up pennies in front of the steamroller'
pete_dushenski: can't speak to insurance premiums, but one of the other quiet costs is dealing with noobtards wanting to buy/sell $20 of coin and can't figure out how to tie their shoelaces much less work slot machine
mircea_popescu: police departments with machine in their precinct, etcetera.
pete_dushenski: machine owners ? landlords with machines in their buildings ?
mircea_popescu can't imagine anyone prices/treats these any differently from slot machines.
mircea_popescu: nah, iirc they threw the machines out if they dropped under 2-3k, and thgat was years ago
pete_dushenski: given that the machines are $5-10k if you avoid the robocoin scamzors, and that commissions are ~8%, that's none too shabby if you can keep it up.
pete_dushenski: in other expenses, if you've ever wondered what a bitcoin atm in a major city (eg. mtl) clears, the answer is $1k - $5k cad / day. http://www.canlii.org/fr/qc/qccs/doc/2016/2016qccs5765/2016qccs5765.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAHYml0Y29pbgAAAAAB&resultIndex=1
pete_dushenski: swapping tires isn't such a pain if you have them mounted on rims. but another whole big expense for that obv. the socks look neat. expensive ?
ben_vulpes: most of the city is iced in atm.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: afraid not. never had a problem with good ol' fashioned winter tires. or pick-up truck if need be. honestly not even sure what you'd use socks or chains for outside of the acreage.
mod6: oh yah. lol, could hardly walk down the driveway.
mod6: warmed up, now its raining and freezing. slicker than a minnow's dick out there.
ben_vulpes: or the interns at bloomberg.
asciilifeform: 'We discuss how Steve Jobs was on the worst run of his life, with a series of hardware failures (Mac, Lisa, Next, Pixar) and had been recently thrown out of Apple (1994).' << next was 'hardware failure' ??
asciilifeform: might be interesting to set up a www catalogue of these 'holes'.
ben_vulpes: hey subject of perens, and then pixar, ritholtz' interview with lawrence levy is a romp
ben_vulpes: 3rd hit for me querying for "we are the bridge between lawyers and engineering", but that's probably beyond the (s)cope(ing ability) of their filters
asciilifeform: pretty lulzy, that we turn up 2 of these in 1 day.
mircea_popescu: this was a massive dork wank thing a decade+ ago, where the zeks figured they're like totally owning society and the legal system and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: iirc the "legal engineering" thing was an abortive attempt to "build upon" the "genius" of the "viral" gpl.
mircea_popescu: in other news thios coffee im having is fabulous
asciilifeform: (did it ~ever~ have a www? is there some public record of said co existing, besides the d00d's say-so ?)
asciilifeform: in other, possibly moar interesting lulz, perens is ceo of 'legal engineering' co., which appears to have... no www site.
asciilifeform: (i made a heathen box with massive 3d card, but so far have not used for ~anything.)
asciilifeform: ^ this is much spiffier than the box i typically sit in front of, ftr.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-06 13:28 mircea_popescu: like what ? something like amd fx 9500 is, i bet, way ahead anything apple ever put in anything they made.
mircea_popescu: and the minimal bar for desktop is something like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597436
asciilifeform: so in the end mircea_popescu may well turn out to be right about 'we can ~literally~ use 1980s devices.'
mircea_popescu: aite. well i'm not terribly clear on what the idea is, but i also kind-of grew tired of clipping the junctures for sense, so i dunno.
asciilifeform: (there ~is~ a certain bottom floor to 'workstation', defined imho by ability to build&run trb. but it is lower than '4GHz')
asciilifeform: the reich works in this case not by denying the parts to would-be builders, but in pushing the notion that, e.g., 'workstation' HAS to be a 4GHz wintel thing
asciilifeform: (and surprising other variety of konsoomer tech. vcr, for instance.)
asciilifeform: you can get them from most 1980s car.
mircea_popescu: if you have the ics
asciilifeform: this is in re earlier thread re cpu, also. and the luser-friendly world. they want 'radio' to mean 'box with 1000MHz cpu and 1G of ram and shituntu linux' and not 'spark gap'.
asciilifeform: on the scenario.
mircea_popescu: what would the messages say, xoo xxxx xo oo ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as with many other 'not hards', it takes, mostly, knowing ~why you oughta~
asciilifeform: if you know morse, you can send 1000km message with the pieces of ruined truck.
asciilifeform: morse, incidentally, is a skill that the 4th reich would quite like to see die out entirely. ohnoez, can't have folx communicating with low-tech radios, flash-lamps, through prison toilets.
asciilifeform: 'Mr. Perens was founder of No-Code International, which helped to convince the International Telecommunications Union, FCC and the telecommunications regulators of many nations to drop the Morse code requirement for Amateur Radio licensing. With the possible exception of Russia, all nations have now dropped that requirement. ' << lel
mircea_popescu: it is the natural evolution of luser friendly.
asciilifeform: there is nothing 'friendly' about poetteringola.
mircea_popescu: let the luser crawl into a ghetto and die already.
mircea_popescu: stupid fucking idea. the web shouldn't have been more luser friendly ; and linux shouldn't have been more luser friendly. nothing should ever be luser friendly.
mircea_popescu: anyway, tried to get an alt-ubuntu debian package going at some point when the idea was that "linux has to be more user-friendly" early 2000s
asciilifeform: 'As the frequency rises, saturation is less of a problem. So, modern power supplies use a high frequency (above 20 KHz, so you won’t hear it) instead of 60 Hz, which allows them to use a small toroid core transformer made of ferrite...' << entirely factual except for the 'won't hear it' part. it is maddening.
asciilifeform: (nm, found in the l0gz)
asciilifeform: (they ~do~ have a serious problem with the notion of removing things, because one of the things that most desperately needs removal is ~themselves~)
mircea_popescu: almost as if their entire hope is indirection. "with infinite layers of indirection, all problems can wait!"
asciilifeform: leaving entirely aside the question of whether ice40 can in fact be made to do anything useful with the 'open' toolchain discussed earlier, or whether a toolchain that required clang, llvm, and ten other poetteringesque abortions is 'open'
asciilifeform: interestingly the thing mentions 'open toolchain fpga' dozens of times but NOT ONCE says WHICH
asciilifeform: this degree of 'softwarization' of hardware, i have never before seen -- the ubuntized crockofshit approach to seekoority, finally applied down on the iron. yes, let's retrofit crossbar switching on ten layers of liquishit!
BingoBoingo: In other Germans, the emergency stop: https://i.redditmedia.com/LuGCFR_IplvuLMxgoKxs5Q-W99XQAtwrfCLSN2PjCGE.jpg?w=768&s=da5a7ddfad41c1aa4e6a25417b3936cc
asciilifeform: on read directly from LPC out of band to an attacker, e.g. over Bluetooth... In a nutshell, LPC Guard™ converts the traditional monolithic shared LPC bus topology into a pseudo-star topology, then masks sensitive data transmissions involving a single peripheral from all remaining peripherals on the bus. The bus control device central to this technology is securely connected to the LPC master onboard the CPU or southbridge device, w
asciilifeform: ' The LPC bus is a shared, bidirectional bus that often handles highly sensitive traffic such as TPM transaction cycles, password entry via PS/2 keyboard, and low level firmware read / write cycles. All existing systems using LPC for these functions share a single, fatal flaw. Since the LPC bus is shared, a malicious peripheral can be surreptitiously attached to the LPC interface without detection, then transmit interesting informati
asciilifeform: https://www.crowdsupply.com/raptor-computing-systems/talos-secure-workstation/updates/talos-fpga-functions-and-responsibilities-part-1 << the sheer lunacy of the epicycles, omfg!111!
asciilifeform actually read the entire talos turd, and the links, and as is quite typical the 'libreboot' idiot pitches 'use linux on chromebook c201' -- but if you actually read, then will learn that 'so long as you don't need wireless nic or video to work!'
asciilifeform: the folks ~buying~ old american launchers, to convert to house, do look for (gaseous) radon. but that's more of chronic exposure hazard.
asciilifeform: quite a few 'speleologists' drowned in these.
mircea_popescu: there are very few bad rsa moduli.
asciilifeform: (the pu is in 4 layers of welded-shut hermetic capsule, srsly)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how the fuck did those kids go into the missile vaults and not carry a gm counter ?
mircea_popescu: (the relation between hardware and textile making are STRIKING, even if one's not studied early industrialization seriously. it's almost exactly the same thing.)
asciilifeform: (possibly there was a market in 1988. not today.
mircea_popescu: clothing is perhaps a more easy to grasp example. there isn't "an optimal solution" in clothes. there also isn't a "market".
mircea_popescu: in any case "the market" is not an actor.
mircea_popescu: i very much don';t think there is such a thing as "an optimal solution" in the field
asciilifeform: ect, profitable branch, and the market is unable to converge on an optimal solution. We are already seeing this with RISC-V and some of its most puzzling design decisions and strangely missing features (e.g., the lack of an IOMMU and L3 cache in all current implementations...'
asciilifeform: '...hardware development has a sparse talent pool with widely varying skill levels, extremely high barriers to entry, very high iteration costs, slow time to market, and testing a new idea often requires a combination of both the barrier to entry and iteration costs to be paid up front. As a result, hardware development often falls back to a centrally planned model, with stronger individuals selecting what they think will be the corr
mircea_popescu: for one thing, nobody reads it. it's there to write, not to read
asciilifeform: btw i'm not wholly convinced that it is properly speaking random spew. quite possibly hedging for the time when the keyz finally ~do~ leak.
asciilifeform: ah that was re the redditards.
asciilifeform: in re the 'let's make an OPEN!11! workstation'.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was speaking of upstack link, the talos thing.
mircea_popescu: i'm not saying the contrary of whatever you might have inferred from reading random spew.
asciilifeform: so anybody claiming to 'make OPEN!11!!!! workstation!' who is not planning to make 1M+gate fpga by the megatonne, is a) subverted b) stupid or c) both.
asciilifeform: at the risk of creating 'wall of text', i'ma spell out for the l0gz readerz: if you sell properly open cpu, folx then have a cpu. if you sell properly open fpga, they then have cpu, ram controller, video card, nic, etc, etc.
asciilifeform: it. I have access to version 8's signing keys myself, being in that scene, but all my computers use version 11 so I haven't cared to mess with it. It's certainly not common but it is absolutely something that FVEY and related contractors (Raytheon, Leidos, half the people you'll see at ISS, etc) will be able to get their hands on, if they haven't already.'
asciilifeform: 'This post has a lot of misunderstandings behind it. First off, the Intelligence Community does not need to force Intel to give up Manageability Engine keys (or AMD's PSP keys for that matter). Both the keys and the toolchain, as well as the source code are traded underground. I know that at least up to firmware version 8 is traded underground, and version 11 (the latest) is available without difficulty to people who know how to find
asciilifeform: https://www.reddit.com/r/onions/comments/5i6qa3/can_the_nsafbi_use_intel_me_to_defeat_tor_on_95/db7xvu7/ << the only 'evidence'.
asciilifeform: 'unverified claims that the secret keys to the Intel® Management Engine are being traded underground in criminal circles' << anybody know of this ?
asciilifeform: ftr the notion of making anything other than a large-as-possible fpga, for 'owner-controlled computing', is purest poppycock.
jurov: https://www.crowdsupply.com/raptor-computing-systems/talos-secure-workstation/updates/the-state-of-owner-controlled-computing-as-talos-winds-down
jurov: i was actually going to link that, then assumed you'll go all "we already discussed that, gtfo"
asciilifeform: (the full-shebang machine apparently was... $ 17.6k !)
asciilifeform: 'The world's first ATX-compatible, workstation-class mainboard for the new, free-software friendly IBM POWER8 processor. Includes one heatsink and 92 mm fan, one ATX-compatible I/O shield, and a live rescue DVD with factory reset utilities, source code for firmware and FPGA components, mainboard schematics, user manual, and Ubuntu installation media. CPU, RAM, power supply, storage drives, and chassis sold separately.'
asciilifeform: i can't say i'm burning with desire to buy an ibm-sole-sourced chip, what 30 years after their monopoly properly died
asciilifeform: but the sweet, sweet gravy train of american 'defense' industry that ww2 kicked off, would not be ending, oh noez.
asciilifeform: the really lulzy bit, imho, is that titan et al were built when 4th reich SPECIFICALLY knew that su had 0 working rockets. (from penkovsky, specifically.)
asciilifeform: Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) equipped with infrared cameras. Admittedly, part of what appealed to me was the risk. Some of my recent successful forays had given me a brazen confidence. As part of the MacGyver Generation, I also reveled in the potential of being part of an elite few who had managed to infiltrate an active base undetected. Stupid, yes, but certainly alluring.'
asciilifeform: 'But getting inside the perimeter of Vandenberg North isn’t as easy as it seems. Though we had our alibi (we had developed a new-found interest in bird watching), we still didn’t have a way in. All the roads inside of the base (and thus to the front door of our underground missile sites) were completely sealed off by sentry stations and road blocks. Security forces regularly patrolled the roads. The sky was filled with Unmanned
asciilifeform: http://www.terrastories.com/bearings/vandenberg-abandoned-missile << linked from site as a 'please don't do', is imho the only worthy link there.
asciilifeform: 'Vandenberg is a high-security area. Nuclear missile bases, spy satellites, missile defense radars and other classified things are there, there’s also a Federal prison next door. Vandenberg is the one polar-orbit space launch site for the whole country, and thus must stay operational for the security and defense of our country.'
mircea_popescu: http://perens.com/blog/2016/12/04/vandenberg-viewing/ perhaps of interest to the rocketry enthusiasts
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is he, or what, nobody can remember 1996 ?
asciilifeform: rms never went 'i'ma make exception because 9/11' or 'i'ma make exception because 100mil in rathead toiletpaper stock'
asciilifeform: one of the reasons i still, despite everything, have > 0 respect for rms, is that of all of these figures, he never had 'about-face' moment.
mircea_popescu: pcmag, seriously ? im surprised the website is even up anymore.
mircea_popescu: anyone interested in getting computing, 1990s to 2005 or so is more than welcome to read it, follow the competently provided references, and there it is.
mircea_popescu: in other news, this strip is actually a perfect primer for things nobody cares about these days, but were still "the issues" before osama pulled america's pants and fucked it into its present us shape.
asciilifeform: there is, but engineer's notion of how to make working veblenator is typically worth 0.
mircea_popescu: there's always a sprout of veblen goods in every lemon markety
mircea_popescu: if someone became an astrologer today who did look through them, they'd have plenty of customers.
asciilifeform: so to go into the profession with this expectation, any of it, is madness.
asciilifeform: but the amount of this kind of work ~anyone ever sees when working in industry, is ~0.
asciilifeform: i cannot speak for the folx mentioned above, but for me the appeal of, e.g., 6502, or of (pure 'sea of gates', a la FUCKGOATS) fpga work, is that there is 0 shit-in-the-dough
mircea_popescu: yes, the fact that competent engineers tend to be poorly socialised is the major weakness of engineering competence.
asciilifeform: but point is that i needed a very long and sharp drill to penetrate earth's crust, to find that they existed.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure they care.
mircea_popescu: you mean "they have been excluded from the open source communities they were contributing to" don't you ?
asciilifeform: nor rathead employs.
asciilifeform: they do not get invited to turdmeister conferences.
asciilifeform: btw there is one possibly interesting detail. there appears to be a large (how large, i have nfi) set of folks who publish ~actual~ work openly (recently i was on a kick of collecting 6502 and z80 design variations, adapted for present-day component availability for glue logic) and found a wealth of quality (as in, you lay it out on breadboard and it WORX) material. with multi-decade (yes) discussion.
mircea_popescu: yeah, who's gonna write comics, the president of nbc ?
asciilifeform: 'the average dog' is not involved.
mircea_popescu: "the best argument against open source is a five minute interaction with the average internet dog."
mircea_popescu: pity nobody picked up the idea from http://qntra.net/2015/11/president-hussein-bahamas-ends-national-security-speech-with-happy-thanksgiving/ and turned it into a weekly or something. i'm sure it'd have been huge.
mircea_popescu: or in proper terms, especially when the original is actually bigger than her.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ~only reason john smith behaviour survives is that mommy never wants to pick the original, because think of the power imbalance.
mircea_popescu: (note how "everyone" ~YOU HEAR ABOUT~ is trying to make "the next airbnb" ; not the next apple. there's a reason mother's lullaby goes the way it goes, and that reason mostly has to do with mommy's fear of rape)
asciilifeform: well, nintendoization (crapple most certainly did not invent the practice, nor even pioneered it)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik the ~only serious lever remaining is hardware.
mircea_popescu: in the history of computing it so happened that it picked to coopt linux. what the people involved did or didn't do has exactly nothing of interest to do with this ; and "studying history" in the sense of trying to divine what the favoured son did or didn't do so you too could share in the bounty is insanity exactly of the ilk the statement suggests.
mircea_popescu: endless powers) will perceive "those crazy kids" by degrees dangerous. as a practical imperative it will apply some of its resources towards coopting some ; and towards combatting some others.
mircea_popescu: anyways, to round off the whole linux/bsd, esr/rms/etc angle : at any point the Moterhood (be it implemented in practice as "the USG" or "the public opinion" or "the church of England" or whatever the fuck - there will exist a conclave of the lazy, stupid and covetous, and it will be somewhat politically influential and appear VERY politically influential much like to the small children the mother appears truly awesome in her
mircea_popescu polishes his http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/ for the day.
mircea_popescu: should be fun to see how the dc 200k turn ariund the whole "tax resistors are nutty" argument once it's a case of "president resistors are heros".
mircea_popescu: he literally imagines that the difference isn't for the obvious reason (usg decided to push x rather than y) but for some sort of self-aggrandizing "it's something we did which unwittingly made the cave walls move this way".
mircea_popescu: and in lulzy ancient stuff : http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/06/30/esr_interview.html interviewer (random nobody) contrasts sony using netbsd for the psp and people finding out because they put an unlinked text file on their website (as per license obligation) which was then found whereas they advertised the shit out of running linux for the ps3 in the terms of "WE THE PEOPLE made this be".
mircea_popescu: or w/e the client-server bullshit was
mircea_popescu: but the notion of having versions on a license... good god.
mircea_popescu: i can only imagine what the next generation imbeciles, eich and andreessen and so forth will be like when they're 60.