mircea_popescu: lol poor phuctor been bottling in the rage all day, now it's quiet can let loose
trinque: layup's a finger roll around the side of the basket, horizontal spin on ball so it rolls along backboard and in
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> isn't that what you call that thing in basketball where one dood drives in and puts the ball up for someone else to net? << this is an alley-oop
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> if computers-were-magic(tm) then the thing would produce a virtual infinite space and the viewport would be dragged around across it, so you could follow diagonally << This is where Qntra CSS is masterpiece!
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone here who hasn't played knight;s bounty (the legend) ?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> (i am speaking strictly of provably-unreachable routines. there are others that could be snipped, with some work, without affecting semantics) << indeed. i have collected some of these myself.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> Browser shots Sorry service is down for maintanence << dude they're not even trying anymore, the web's deader than shannen doherty's career << haha
mircea_popescu: working towards the ultimate tmsr goal. ben_vulpes does the miners, we got an autonomous noncorporeal state going
mircea_popescu: ok, olive oil then.
ben_vulpes: nah, but carrying 27+lbs of kid plus groceries while i stare at the sky and contemplate nozzles that impart rotational inertia to the flugenbody is not time efficient; i can just as easily design while hefting bairns
ben_vulpes: i only recently realized that i needed to be doing the heavy lifting on family outings
mircea_popescu: drives teh wyminz nuts also, they work out till they drop, i never do, then i can you know, lift one in one arm and for some incomprehensible reason i got biceps the thickenss of their thighs. "BRO!!!" "hey, i got testosterone, it's great."
ben_vulpes: looks like apple's in for another lost decade
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 21:09 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: pgup/pgdown work on the box i have here
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608467 << lmao this feels like the early 80s all over again. "and which keys don't work on your kv-1, private stan ?"
ben_vulpes: entirely unrelatedly, ms beat the street
ben_vulpes: i would say "fight me irl" but you're the one #t denizen i don't think i'd have reasonable odds against
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: probably knows
ben_vulpes: isn't that what you call that thing in basketball where one dood drives in and puts the ball up for someone else to net?
mircea_popescu: get up an' down an' layup all' around, move your ass to the left move your ass to the right...
ben_vulpes: the only thing that even halfway works is cunt.
mircea_popescu: if computers-were-magic(tm) then the thing would produce a virtual infinite space and the viewport would be dragged around across it, so you could follow diagonally
ben_vulpes: i am offended at the inadequacy of everything in this world
mircea_popescu: so if "nested = 12 pixels" then you get a limit of 100 or so.
mircea_popescu: yeah, and derpy "liberal" chicks who don't know how to dress or be useful in the house are in danger of becoming sought after.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which is the problem. if it's gonna happen at all, then why not have it happen right off.
mircea_popescu: "if i allocate what i think it should be the program crashes"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes. you are asking yourself to come up with a number which will be larger than the largest number of nested comments people may wish to make. if you're going to think like this might as well become a c++ specialist.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 20:16 Framedragger: i'm still preferring http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503181 but granted, don't have a working "moderated but without captcha" comments solution. best i can think of is, write very light backend service to handle comment post requests, store them somewhere sensible, allow operator to accept/deny comments (could be flat text files)
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 20:12 ben_vulpes: except of course threaded comments, and this and that and the other thing.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608439 << you will notice trilema doesn't use these. this because i think they're idiotic.
mircea_popescu: they insulted his ancestors or something, i dun recall.
ben_vulpes: looking forward to the amd hike
ben_vulpes: aca on the chopping block
ben_vulpes: epa is the latest word
mircea_popescu: if i wanted to arab i'd be in cairo, they have fine mosqs.
mircea_popescu: yes well. by the time "scientist" is unable to ~comprehend~ what the fuck the numbers say about his data, i don't care what fucking calisthenics he does.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unfortunately meatware research ~selects~ for 'follow the motion' types. 'tis why i got out.
mircea_popescu: no ~serious familiarity~. just the average came-with-apartment bipedal cat's "hey, open fridge door, take out food it's how food works"
mircea_popescu: yes, as a follow the motions thing.
asciilifeform: maybe over in the 'social sciences' hole, this was.
mircea_popescu: and they stink of it, too.
mircea_popescu: no fucking concept of analysis, i'm not discussing hyperpeels or any nuttery, just merely the concept of hey, if it's a function i can derive it, find the inflections, DRAW IT. yes with the fucking draughtsman kit.
asciilifeform: eh these were foreign folx, they learned to arithmetize in school, beaten with bamboo.
mircea_popescu: and most research anything have the numeracy of a stripper.
asciilifeform: it was in fact what i did there, fill in this strange hole .
mircea_popescu: send them all back to fucking school, 90% of their time ends up spent doing insane chewing gum and spittle equivalent of unix pipes.
mircea_popescu: their fucking problems are "how to put this into excel"
asciilifeform: (i was once, and i shit thee not, 'research chemist'. not because knew any chemistry, but because there was -- i shit thee not -- no box to 'tick' in the form, for 'programmer')
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i worked in the most abject imaginable usg pits, no one gave half a shit re 401k. maybe if mega-brass.
mircea_popescu: the funny thing being that nonsense converges. "civil" and "common" law systems end up giving almost identical "solutions" to the same problems notwithstanding they start from opposite priors. similarily, life of usg mandarin is very much like life of say japanese company man.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i am i shit you not considering moving the brood back into the family domicile in 2019
ben_vulpes: although i suppose enough do it that none of them risk ostracization for it now
ben_vulpes: they already wear skirts paint nails
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you also don't have the sort of job they do. what's office drone in heart of usg do, something TO STAND OUT ? holy shit.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it is however quite true that there are very real costs to rejecting the gargle.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: perhaps under explained in "if you accept the thesis" where <thesis> is entire stack of usgola. yes, 401kholder seeks to eat cheese, turn around put money into house do all the clever tricks with it. also many don't! and many like myself look at the whole thing as a stupid intellectual complexity trap not worth entertaining.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608394 << oh right, maybe it was then. ben_vulpes didja dig it up from log ?
asciilifeform: rats, at the very least, ~have~ sappers.
asciilifeform: the last time i 'worked with' mice, i was quite convinced that they ~knew~ what is a mousetrap. and had 'sappers'.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i'm not proposing your life choices are invalid. i am saying the form of the argument is broken. it's easy to pretend like you know better than fish while not being fish. in point of fact fish does as best he can
ben_vulpes: or good old fashioned frontier bride, why all the haet
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes isn't that what the fish said ?
mircea_popescu: use the dust for lube, write your life's novel / memoirs / whatever.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i dun see the hook, have staff on call 24/7. no harem, granted, but "ride or die bitch" worth a million hausfraus.
asciilifeform: (is there engl. idiom version of that?)
asciilifeform: i'll go with the classic cyanide&wagner, tyvm
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 19:49 ben_vulpes: phf: and on this, the third consecutive day of asking, would you kindly acknowledge receipt?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608382 << o wow ? i thought there was a protocol for this and everything
asciilifeform: fish -- yes, has brain the size of your little finger nail,
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'must bite hook, to get the free worm' ?
ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/perceived-vs-actual-barriers-to-homeownership-for-young-adults/comment-page-1#comment-183 << but exponded upon nevertheless
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608353 << it'll very likely stay there forever, for the simple reason that a bitcoin miner that's proper is worth money so can't be given away for free, and if it's going to be improper then alf's 2012 argument prevails and just keep the old one.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i read the linked piece, did not see 'free' ?
ben_vulpes: aaaand we've exhausted the wp stack :D
mircea_popescu: and then dream about reading trilema in aramaic
asciilifeform: fwiw i frequently curl up in bed with the thing. and read. until fall asleep.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: supposing they ~read~ it, and not merely ~read enough to overcome the regrind barrier~
mircea_popescu: nobody's forcing anyone, they just get gently encouraged.
mircea_popescu: piece of code A which has been read 8 times by 5 peoiple is thereby better, no questions, more valuable and more useful, than the SAME EXACT piece of code A read by its author alone.
asciilifeform: however it is not automatically given that by forcing folx to regrind, you make them attentively read
mircea_popescu: the more time people spend ~actually reading~ the same piece of code, the better. "i might have read it so it's as good as read" open source bs doesn't qualify here.
mircea_popescu: the regrinding is not a loss.
asciilifeform: there is ~some~ win from ~some~ coupling, on account of the longest-chain/regrind thing
mircea_popescu: there's no need for that tight coupling of intent anyway, not like we're trying to drive through an intersection here.
mircea_popescu: it's always way the fuck better to say "i don't like what you did because" than to say "i don't like what i think it might be the case you say you intend to do because".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he certainly spared asciilifeform from the chore of maintaining full vtron
mircea_popescu: consider the fine case of mod6 's vtron since he said something. so he built a vtron, then later we decided didn't like how it works, he put the time in to understand the thing, fix it... all this happened because he made the first one ; and wouldn't have happened if we were just sitting 6months ago holding dicks and discussing it theoretically.
ben_vulpes: moreover there is no harm in bringing a patch for discussion, and all of this durm and strang will discourage "patches alf doesn't like" even if just in the patcher's mind
mircea_popescu: now, this excursion in unrelated scary things complete, let's get back to it : give people the benefit of the doubt. if they fuck it up it's their problem not yours.
asciilifeform: and in fact recall, i asked for trb, because i wanted The B00k
asciilifeform: which is why the clock on replacing trb, does run.
asciilifeform: even if pedo did not groom this gurl from birth, there is still ~bottomless well of bugs in openssl, boost, linux, etc.
asciilifeform: no one knew that the thing would take off.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> make macs great again <+ben_vulpes> install openbsd on them << :D
asciilifeform: for all i know, nsa was there on day 1.
mircea_popescu: there is some merit to this view. not as much as you imagine though. gavin was there, in 2012, and giving "talks" to the nsa, in 2011, and wondering out loud if that's certainly not why satoshi stopped talking to him.
asciilifeform: and the only countermeasure is to keep the changes to grandfather's pistol, minimal, reviewable, 'fits in head.' and to retain old mechanisms when practical.
asciilifeform: al schwartz wrote about the roofs, iirc it was. semiconductor firms replaced cathedral roofs all over europe, for 0 cost. just to get the valuable pre-hiroshima metal.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you remember the old leaden church roofs ?
asciilifeform: (this was in the last thread re subj, a while back)
mircea_popescu: well you didn't ask, either, did you.
asciilifeform: my objection is not 'davout Broke Trb oh noez!!' but to the thought process that might lead an otherwise literate d00d to contemplate a 'reference' that lacks vital organs as a valid thing
mircea_popescu: read my fucking lips : ALL OF THEM.
mircea_popescu: do you have any fucking idea how many bridges we crossed when we got to them to get here ?
mircea_popescu: it's safe to assume he's not about to do something stupiud in all the places it's not exhaustively clear what he actually means to do. and if he does do something stupid all the better, we get to laugh at him later.
mircea_popescu: er, when discussing things people do, especially their plans, a best scenario is to be employed, becuause people aren't fucking amelia bedelia and if they are we want to find out.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at issue is your very poor (through being inflexible) best scenario/worst scenario context switching. so : it is the habit of engineers to consider the worst scenario when building a house, which is how houses end up 3.5x structurally stronger than thyey need to be. because holy hell, what if rocks fall or the ground moves or there's very wet snow or some idiot gets confused and parks his car on your roof. howev
asciilifeform: for the most part, asciilifeform did not touch any of this code. reasoning was, that it is part of the historic record.
asciilifeform: (i am speaking strictly of provably-unreachable routines. there are others that could be snipped, with some work, without affecting semantics)
asciilifeform: btw since folx are itchy to snippety-snip, i will note, there is actual dead code in trb
mircea_popescu: the two items discussed were "modularize wallet" and "remove btc address signatures". they're in the 2-5 hour range for a very careful single engineer.
mircea_popescu: in the time everyone spent arguing with various phantoms they could have actually done all the work that was therein contemplated.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because if folx must ruin bitcoin via discontinuity ('you can always dig up historical code laters'), non-exhaustive pseudo-reference implementations, etc. i'd rather they understood what they were doing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why the fuck are you so obstructive anyway
ben_vulpes: highly prehensile, or prezhensile as the tenderqueers would say
ben_vulpes: guessing at definitions from context, but with all the excitement of html css and js
ben_vulpes: i didn't know anyone browsed the web with browsers anyways, i thought the en vogue thing to do was just to read the source and sort of intuit where the boxes went
mircea_popescu: Browser shots Sorry service is down for maintanence << dude they're not even trying anymore, the web's deader than shannen doherty's career
ben_vulpes: There were already 188 screenshot requests for cascadianhacker.com today.
ben_vulpes: i will not defensively css against the width at which archive.is renders websites
deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/gaze-upon-their-works-ye-mighty-and-tremble << CH - Gaze upon their works, ye mighty, and tremble
mircea_popescu: if i were a pirate i couldn't read it altogether.
mircea_popescu: it's already the size of a patch
mircea_popescu: no see, that's the problem
mircea_popescu: i gotta see this wonder, ch display possibly one of the more atrocious
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 22:17 asciilifeform: i killed those right after baking the genesis
asciilifeform: therr is a whole dream-trilema that asciilifeform sometimes reads in sleep.
asciilifeform: iirc there was a mircea_popescu parable where someone attaches a parasite to a wife and somebody else objects to removing, because 'how do you know where it ends and other it begins'
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do you mind ? i'm having a quality moment here with the alf.
mircea_popescu: omfg the original code is priviledged what part of this is hard to grasp!!1
asciilifeform: i killed those right after baking the genesis
mircea_popescu: it's a cheap and welcome cut, reduces the codebase, that and the idiotic "alert messages" are certainly next to snip
mircea_popescu: i think he was just being contrarian, isn't seriously holding the position.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: panda fur gasket on there for a reason!
asciilifeform: no golden toilet either?!
mircea_popescu: in my extensive practice as a major economic agent i never either wanted to or did bother to verify one.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 19:10 asciilifeform: there are historical signatures floating about, and one might wish to verify them
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608249 << i honestly don't see the problem with taking out the bitcoin signature idiocy.
ben_vulpes: "address-generation from mining" literally does not compute for me unless there's some amount of "pubkey hash must meet this criteria" a la bitcoin
asciilifeform: then if you find one, you nail it down by claiming , signed,
ben_vulpes: is there some amount of "mine for privkey" involved?
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, once the headcount crosses millions into billiosn, well... forgetaboutit.
mircea_popescu: yes, property is functionally as well as fundamentally "this is mine which means it's not yours nor yours nor yours nor - i see you there hiding in the back, yours either!"
mircea_popescu: still, none of this solves the fundamental problem, which is : as more and more people get involved, the cost of reporting each transaction to everyone else balloons.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-31 18:02 mircea_popescu: until the coinbase halves, you can only use 50 btc ; then 25 and 12.5 etc.
asciilifeform: aah like the electroluminescent shirts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, all the ones i've seen use normal 1.5v watch battery.
mircea_popescu: it's actually pretty cool ; can't possibly miss even in the dark. also cunt looks good in it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did i tell you about the led crotchless "underwear" ?
asciilifeform: happened, for good or ill, with cpu cycles ('why the fuck there is a computer in my flashlight' thread), plastics, LED, etc.
mircea_popescu: davout the thing that SHOULD be done about it is make it work in such a way it doesn't choke in its own fumes. not that i know how to do that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is like thinking if universities stopped stupidifying girls tomorrow you'd get good service at the diner.
asciilifeform: consider the discovery of electrolytic aluminum refining.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not really oversupplied, there are quite a few unplated contacts in use.
mircea_popescu: davout the problem discussed is where the most serene republic spans 85 million stars and a trillion planets and everyone involved holds a few satoshi and ten thousand times more slaves.
davout: and in this regard, doing-by-hand certainly has value, in the sense that i don't end up with dust
asciilifeform: (incidentally, though unanswerable, would be interestig to learn what the purely industrial worth of gold would be.)
davout: seems to me like defragging could be a thing given the correct tools
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gold is worthless for the exact reason goldbugs/idiots think it better than bitcoin. no scaling, because anchored to irrelevancy
asciilifeform: but notice, folx do collect the gold. it is +ev.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the issue of fees hopefully limits the smallest practical unit to maybe 1k or so, which blessfully shaves 3 zeros from the problem, and at the right end
mircea_popescu: note that the per-block value is liable to stay ~constant ; it certainly varies less than the price of bitcoin for instance. so those satoshi will always be worth a lot in fiat terms anyway
mircea_popescu: but this one ... well, the numbers actually don't work.
mircea_popescu: this is the only part of the system that's truly badly designed. the node/miner thing, meh, that's iffy.
mircea_popescu: depends on factors and things but as degree of magnitude it's there.
asciilifeform: they can use pieces of eight, dubloons, rubles.
mircea_popescu: tell you what, to the stupid cunts getting pregnant at 13 and failing to learn how to wash or twerk by 16, the little details of their dirty interiors are relevant.
asciilifeform: whothefuck cares about roaches.
mircea_popescu: this is the definition of racism.
mircea_popescu: of "value" in a very novel, post-bitcoin, deeply information-theoretic interpretation of the term.
mircea_popescu: three generations later, all of saxony is 500 duchies, princely domains etc the size of your yard.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think of evolution of holy roman empire. currently, block of thousand btc all carry the same meaning, "we belong to holy roman emperor".
asciilifeform: why they cannot be defragged ?
asciilifeform: but why in this case is it so, if defrag tx takes up no moar space than the original fragging tx
mircea_popescu: technically speaking sticking people back into their mother's cunts to get two people out of a litter of 12 also costs the same.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the defragging is an antientalpy movement.
mircea_popescu: all coins, in the sense of agglomerations of satoshi, exist as descendents of an original block subsidy, and in that sense ARE coinbases ; much like electrons or photons are wave functions. they manifest verifiably in certain points, as "unspent transaction outputs" ; muych like waveform collapses. they interact with matter, in certain ways,this is called a transaction.
ben_vulpes: i am under the impression that a coinbase would not need to be injected, but that the individual utxos do need to be.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 19:00 davout: thestringpuller: UTXO set is ~2gb tops, indexing might be nice but necessary to scan for UTXOs that match a given set of addresses, also the wallet part can cache them if that particular wallet is the only one able to actually spend those UTXIs
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608204 << this brings back an ancient discussion re the most likely failure mode of bitcoin. technically speaking there's 2.1 quadrillion coins which may in principle move independently, worth ~100 bytes each.
ben_vulpes: let us sweep the floor then, and settle the semantics. "unspent transaction out" is now "coinbase" according to mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes all coins are the same thing.
ben_vulpes: "coinbases" in this post means something rather different from what i've come to know them as eg the block subsidy
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes recall the cut article ?
mircea_popescu: they're not expensive.
ben_vulpes: wait no i don't, why is tx-gen box to be offlined and not the signing box?
asciilifeform: in point of fact if trb knew how to eat raw tx, you have the knob, neh?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but there's no clean way currently for me to replace old-wallet with davout-wallet. so in that sense, modularize the wallet out of the code.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 18:51 asciilifeform: it'd be one thing if davout proposed the cut ~in tandem with~ a standalone walletron. even if it were made entirely out of the old one.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608165 << it's the right process. if you aim to cut function out, first separate it, then produce replacement. modularize, as it were.
mircea_popescu: bitch, you're nobody's wife and there's a reason for that.
mircea_popescu: this #1 disease of the failed female, "if i were your wife i'd poison your coffee."
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608137 << who the everloving would shoot the dumb fuck. nobody can be bothered to even shoot IN her, let alone at her.
asciilifeform: imho it was nifty and ought to appear in other langs.
asciilifeform: aaah the egg
asciilifeform: even for winblows there are patches.
asciilifeform: there's gotta be a patch, somewhere.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: pgup/pgdown work on the box i have here
mod6: <+davout> mod6: ty, will try the gnu-awk thing << ok, gl. let us know how it goes. i've had this issue before myself. i ~think~ that's what I did to resolve it on my african box.
trinque: jobs may have actually killed someone with his hands if he saw the "o look mother I put the apple watch inside the mac"
ben_vulpes: install openbsd on them
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: on the "oh noes apple broke more shit" thread, not only do pageup/down not work, but apple's own messenger wastes all the CPU that "Slack" left on the table
Framedragger: on the other hand, i could see the latter being *really* useful for many. granted, neither you or me are altruists.
ben_vulpes: logs and search will at the least provide interesting lessons in postgres design and optimization. writing my own disqus, not so much.
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: for all of the time i have spent losing my mind in radioactive webtech mines i a) do not like the domain b) have zero desire to build half-baked solutions when ~fully baked ones exist
Framedragger: that does break the 'change, see immediate effects' loop, hm.
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: because it is wholly unacceptable that i not be able to see the effects of changing one tag in the source files immediately.
ben_vulpes: and i wanted comments, but did not want to bake myself further into an ossified tower of software retardation.
Framedragger: why's that bad? i understand if the 'time it takes to render' function is exponential in some way or another, but if linear growth and less than say 30 min - what of it, really
Framedragger: well, no middleman nonsense at least, then
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: you missed the good old days when i exported raw html from an org file
a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 10:31 Framedragger: regarding LAMP stacks and blog software: static site generators are there for a reason. significantly smaller codebases and attack surfaces cf. wordpress. just sayin'.
Framedragger: i'm still preferring http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503181 but granted, don't have a working "moderated but without captcha" comments solution. best i can think of is, write very light backend service to handle comment post requests, store them somewhere sensible, allow operator to accept/deny comments (could be flat text files)
trinque: be ready to fill with dirt and dig another, and everything will be fine
trinque: anything touching the web is an outhouse
ben_vulpes: fact of the matter is that wp 2.7 does ~everything a person needs from a personal cms afaict.
ben_vulpes: sure, whatever. geotherm heated seat even.
asciilifeform: imho anything involving php is still outhouse. (albeit some outhouses are a step ahead of others, what with stone plinths and toilet paper roll holder, instead of earthen pit)
ben_vulpes: but yes, fix the javascript only to find that it never worked in the first place, and the replytocom query parameter doesn't set the parent_id variable apparently at all
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you got considerably farther than i did, in re mp-wp
ben_vulpes: am wasting time fixing the wp comment threading shitshow already.
Framedragger: (i personally like the pink highlight, it's immediately noticeable but still readable)
asciilifeform: my only nitpick is the colours, and i don't even know if it is my display calibrarion, or eyes, that balk.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: no, i'm ready to eat the whole wad.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i can scrape btcbase as well as the next feller.
ben_vulpes: unless i misremember, the man is in the habit of at least mentioning prolonged absences.