mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they don't.
mircea_popescu: ie, it's not ACTUALLY WORTH IT for valve ; because they're trying to cater to the imbeciles whoi "but mp, what do you mean mpex seats cost!" and those... have no money.
asciilifeform: actually that probably isn't the reason (the crapola all summed, weighs, what, a few MB.)
asciilifeform: (for all that has been said re winblowz, at least this is yet-unknown there)
asciilifeform: they depend on it
mircea_popescu: and before that the libjpeg nonsense ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the glibc6 thing was a quite deliberate bomb to lock out users of old debians and similar
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's only silent in their idiotic gui perspective ; otherwise if you run it like sane people in cli it barfs as quoted.
mircea_popescu: then 1.0.0.20 depends on "libjpeg-turbo8" i mean
mircea_popescu: then 1.0.0.22 depends on "libjpeg-turbo8"
mircea_popescu: then, 1.0.0.22 depends on "libpixman-1-0" > 0.24.4-1
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: post strace of the silently-die ?
mircea_popescu: apparently they contain dependencies they aren't aware of. how does this happen, clumsy drepper hand edited them post facto ?
mircea_popescu: whereas prior versions claim all dependencies are satisfied, and then SILENTLY DIE
ben_vulpes: "illegal smuggling and trafficking of humans" is all over that thing. would otherwise be a huge victory for the nonprofits pushing that line, except for how it's donny t doing it
ben_vulpes: in which trump rips a plank out of the prog platform and starts beating them with it: https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/02/09/presidential-executive-order-enforcing-federal-law-respect-transnational
mircea_popescu: and in other playstations, http://68.media.tumblr.com/fec1e00357977dc724d9c66ed04b99e5/tumblr_nsy8grDUqy1r2svjro1_500.gif
a111: Logged on 2017-02-10 19:36 mircea_popescu: and in other fake news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/831cf472f27f8c52432f08e92c636bf5/tumblr_nqqhafDdQU1qgojnyo1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: in even further fake news, https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2013-12-31/bitcoin-is-a-high-tech-dinosaur-soon-to-be-extinct
mircea_popescu: and in other fake news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/831cf472f27f8c52432f08e92c636bf5/tumblr_nqqhafDdQU1qgojnyo1_500.gif
thestringpuller: oh. i thought that was the joke.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: temper the excitement, it's a parachute, not a plane
mircea_popescu: we'll have to have a gossipd sooner rather than later.
asciilifeform: srsly almost ANY protocol built on top of raw lossy packet, even with one hand tied behind your back, ends up beating the shit out of tcp.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-10 16:49 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1612963 << mosh works over udp, and mitigates latency, dropped packets, and interrupted connection all the way to doing transparent roaming, so benefits are only seen on hardware in question: can still do useful work even over very dodgy connection
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if every production of usg academitardia were chewed apart in the l0gz, no hdd would suffice to hold'em
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i can't help but picture you on a box with 6 months of old reddit browser tabs...
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: old snore
mircea_popescu: an' veracruz is like, right next to oaxaca, on the atlantic rather than the pacific side.
mircea_popescu: phf palenque is in the southernmost state of mexico (chiapas). what, like 100 miles from your spot.
thestringpuller: "After further investigation, it turned out that the two AIs were communicating using a novel symmetric key cipher, and the key that ended up being uncrackable by the third AI was simply '12345', the kind of password an idiot would have on his luggage."
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, inept hack trying to culturally appropriate soviet times (without citation, OF COURSE) - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/10/donald-trump-president-comedy-snl-satire
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1613027 << i was waiting for that. first article i open mentions that the gold is there to put it out of moscow's reach, mentions european financial troubles and the lack of trust in trump in three paragraphs. almost can admire the fuckers, sort of like reading particularly gnarly piece of soviet propaganda
mircea_popescu: but even that aside, the amber civilisation is fascinating on its own.
mircea_popescu: imo chiapas is the best part of mexico. spent a very agreeable week in palenque drilling the confused hordes of usian girlies searching for spirituality or w/e the fuck.
phf: there aren't often local cable networks. at least judging by number of microwave relay towers where i am now, and their frequency, that's all you get.
mircea_popescu: then again, personally i'm not much for wilderness.
mircea_popescu: personally i'd rather directly hack into the local cable networks than resort to wifi over cell tower bs.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-10 14:01 mircea_popescu: phf what's the relevancy of the hardware details in the example given ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1612963 << mosh works over udp, and mitigates latency, dropped packets, and interrupted connection all the way to doing transparent roaming, so benefits are only seen on hardware in question: can still do useful work even over very dodgy connection
mircea_popescu: even without obamacare that's a 10ish bn extra expenditure on the welfare state.
mircea_popescu: nah, iirc they went up to 4km
asciilifeform: (radius of nukeage being slightly higher than the weapon's range)
asciilifeform: though you would have to be quite tired of living to set it off as shown in the picture
asciilifeform: iirc these were traditional, not thermonukes, so if they have not been recycled or misplaced -- still oughta work!
mircea_popescu: they're probably still stored somewhere due to the fact they're hard to defuse by design.
mircea_popescu: how would they have stopped ?
asciilifeform: if only these still worked
mircea_popescu: (for the new people : the historical reason for which german gold was stored on another continent has everything to do with the fulda gap, and the sad experience of about 100-150 tons of romanian gold + an order of magnitude more in paper that was magically lost in russia)
mircea_popescu: "13. Donor No. 1 satisfies the requirements to sue anonymously."
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/zBYEJ/?raw=true << in other recent lulz. usg tried, by the usual freisler court, d00d who supposedly leaked stratfor pw. now going after ~donors to his legal fund~
mircea_popescu: oh, check it out, they're losing fallujah
mircea_popescu: because of the fuck you symbology.
mircea_popescu: first he has to get them to "win" and proclaim their victory pluriously. then they hang.
asciilifeform: but apparently he isn't made of the correct stuff
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if mr.t raised the banner, i suspect there would be plenty of folx, in particular army, who would happily string up judges, berkeley 'professors', j00yorktimes journarasts, etc.
mircea_popescu: but hey, it's ok, because it'll be an improvement. according to themselves. consensus! hurr!
mircea_popescu: he'll simply abandon it at that point, except discoursively, and it'll forever be "hey i tried to fix things but the swamp wouldn't let me". in any possible strategic evaluation of the situation, the best outcome for trump is exactly what's happening.
mircea_popescu: it's a blow to the justice system more than to trump. but hey, the pantsuited opposition can't possibly consider things, so therefore they can't possibly exist.
mircea_popescu: really ? they'll take it to the supreme court ; which is understaffed, and will conceivably deadlock 4-4. this will also be a blow to trump ? why, because it is strictly impossible for the weimar republicand its institutions to be perceived as ineffectual and effete ?
mircea_popescu: and in the same vein, "The judges vote is a major political blow to Mr Trump, whose early days in power have been characterised by a difficult relationship with the judicial branch of government."
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the fake news apparently believes australia === malcolm turnbull ; even as it firmly believes usa != donald trump. how the fuck is it that committing the usg to liberating australia from the unwelcome and illegitimate socialist leadership is to be confused with "war on australia" ? when they invaded europe it was "war on hitler" not "war on europe"
adlai: oh sorry, that line got pebkaced. it seems wrong though, shouldn't a miner want to both increase the amount of work the others do (validating the new block), and reduce the chance they have to do reorg work?
davout: adlai: "And there is also no incentive for Mike to forward to Molly a block that Miner Mary just solved and sent to him."
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: No biochar experiments, composting meat breeds clostridium, and the way to dispose of bones is bleaching them in the deser sun and selling to tourists
mircea_popescu: as everyone ever involved is aware and occasionally points out, "the reduction in violence, theft, and fraud is incidental to the protection of the royal forest".
mircea_popescu: that's how it appeared, and that's the only thing it's for.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-10 14:20 davout: as he formulates it doesn't strike me as a fundamental issue, the miner of a block ~is~ properly incentivized to broadcast it as widely as possibru
mircea_popescu: "Most institutions which have undergone a lengthy cultural evolution, such as law (which lowers vulnerability to violence, theft, and fraud)," <<< i gotta say, the ubernaive reinterpretation of reality in the hands of armchair nonviolent "scholars" is endearing. to be plain : law ENTIRELY exists so that the concept of forest may be enforced without the depletion of the villages.
mircea_popescu: (to revisit the beatings : beating both mother and daugther for misbehavious by either mother or daughter is the historically deployed and theoretically correct approach ; what the "red pill" dudes call "branch swining behaviour" in their AWALT booklet is both proof this is so and its direct result - it selected over the years for a certain thing, the anthropological concept of "female community")
mircea_popescu: i had no idea they could read like, languages.
mircea_popescu: hey, france is like the 5th trilema reader or such.
mircea_popescu: the much more obvious "beat all females until they all stop whining" being "off the table" for incomprehensible "reasons".
mircea_popescu: basically the reason the state in the leviathan acception of statehood as commonly understood today EVEN EXISTS is the fear of early greeks that all the neighbours may get together secretly and ostracize them,
mircea_popescu: davout he stated it in the particular. there's no actual incentive for miner x to tell miner y specifically. which creates a very toxic situation, which then presents all of itself an incentive for cartelization.
davout: as he formulates it doesn't strike me as a fundamental issue, the miner of a block ~is~ properly incentivized to broadcast it as widely as possibru
mircea_popescu: the olde miner-node problem yes
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1612959 <<< what's that correct bit? that the lack of incentive for miners to forward blocks is a flaw?
mircea_popescu: (and of course, re part a, the idiots immediately reached their usual fecal consensus re the only known proposal for a fix, namely http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ )
mircea_popescu: and in other news : http://68.media.tumblr.com/8b3c3f5e6a144ce277541b883d67898b/tumblr_ojyu8fjAdU1ui3dbro1_500.gif ; turns out freshly spanked butt fucks better.
mircea_popescu: basically, "bitcoin has clearly proven that what libertards thought they understood about money and finance is pure global warming claptrap, so in conclusion here's a restatement of the global warming claptrap and proposals to fix the world so it is more like the claptrap!"
mircea_popescu: "The biggest flaw is the fixed issuance cap. Ideally, to make bitcoin useful as a currency, the supply of BTC in circulation should expand at a rate slightly greater than the increase in the volume of payments, forever. Then the value of 1 BTC would slowly decrease with time. Then no one would want to hoard it. Then the value would be stable enough for use as a currency. There would be no bitcoin peddlers trying to get other
mircea_popescu: "To be fair, the economic flaws are mostly justified because there seem to be no technically sound way to fix them. For example, there is no incentive for Miner Mike to forward to Miner Molly the transactions that he received from Client Charlie. And there is also no incentive for Mike to forward to Molly a block that Miner Mary just solved and sent to him. Those flaws need to be fixed, but AFAIK no one has figured out a way
phf: i've not used it from a cellphone though, i don't grok the whole concept of a shell on a device without keyboard
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, google query : "am12ani și îmi bag lucruri în pizdă ce se poate întâmpla" (literally, "i am 12 yo and i stuff things in my cunt, what can happen")
a111: Logged on 2017-02-10 05:27 mircea_popescu: "Parse Server Server was Rails at first (with 24 threads max. concurrency) with very little throughput per server (~1530 requests per second) The server was later rewritten in Go. The open-source Parse server is written Node.js and lacks many functionalities of the original Parse server in Go." <<< holy shit, can you believe the idiocy ? "we wasted a bunch of money doing stupid shit because we truly believe"
mircea_popescu: aka "the leg's whistle"
mircea_popescu: fun fact : in french shin and flute are the same thing. because... they are the same thing.
ben_vulpes: i am reluctant to consign material from which i may yet extract $use to the public pit
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: burn'em with leather. --> cyanide.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you know how photosynthesis reduces electron energy by lowering its potential down gradually through a series of steps?
mircea_popescu: from experience, once the pig farm goes over 500 heads, bone furnace becomes worth it.
mircea_popescu: you mean, "the civilised our democracy" ?
asciilifeform: does ben_vulpes still live in that shithole where they charge for rubbish pickup by the pound?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes chicken bones are a problem for some (retarded) dogs ; otherwise notrly.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there is no convenient pill against bones, it is why archaeologists have with what to work.
ben_vulpes: would rather not bifurcate waste handling streams if unnecessary.
ben_vulpes: i'd be satisfied if the bones were rendered unattractive to pests.
asciilifeform: (and, as mircea_popescu pointed out, the finalsolutionatron)
mircea_popescu: but, dogs aren't bone eating machines. they just crack them to get to the marrow. you still get stuck with the bone.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you had a defective dog that chokes on bone, wouldn't you rather know early on
mircea_popescu: eh get out, they'll be fine.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i have been thoroughly terrorized by the fud around passing bones to dogs
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: even i can only scour so much off the bones
ben_vulpes: i suppose the smart thing to do is make a highly reduced stock?
ben_vulpes: what might handicap the meat/dairy handling?
mircea_popescu: understand, the definition of septic tank / latrine isn't "where people shit", much like a fridge isn't "the hole in the kitchen wall food comes from". if meat goes in, then it's a latrine, nqa.
mircea_popescu: i imagine they are trying to get out of smells ?
mircea_popescu: because plants aren't all that different in this respect. if you wish to add something to the soil, carbon's the absolute worst choice.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes as a rough heuristic for this matter, if you were to be locked in a room, would you prefer the room contain a large lump of cake or a large lump of people ?
ben_vulpes: coal is not the hydrogen-rich rock dug from ground now?
ben_vulpes: wood out of which one burns the various tars.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the microbiology involved is anything but settled. from the lengthy human experience on the topic, coal is a miserable substrate for a garden.
mircea_popescu: dumbest idea i ever heard. and oh look, wikipedia explains "it's under investigation for carbon sequestration". so they're going to get you to ruin your garden to make their meaningless metrics go the way the cult decided they must go. and someone somewhere is buying into this ?!
mircea_popescu: who the fuck heard of this, wood structure. bacteria eats wood.
mircea_popescu: i'm telling you, if you somehow (which i doubt you did, but taking you at your word) decided your soil's problem is lack of bacteria substrate, then bone ash is what you want to solve it with.
mircea_popescu: that's the historical as well as correct solution for that problem. spread it out before a storm.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: oddly enough comes from the "permaculture" wackjobs
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do they sell calcinated bone as a fertilizer where you live ?
ben_vulpes: correctness is not a thing to bolt on after the fact.
mircea_popescu: http://68.media.tumblr.com/093b24e8470460bd1a280961dd3ebc52/tumblr_n4z5z76XCH1tauas6o2_500.gif << dirt is better than stupidity, in that when dirty chicks lick each other it can be kinda-hot.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: not according to the DSMIX
mircea_popescu: documentation was great ? are they INSANE ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ships still run win98, bit of a lag
mircea_popescu: "As there was no mechanism for concurrency control (except for minimal support for things like counters), applications were often inconsistent" << then people wonder why us ships don't work.
ben_vulpes: where "decisions" ===== "the code i produced that appeared to work a few weeks ago"
ben_vulpes: sane and halfway intelligent folks refuse to touch it, so you're stuck with the dregs and their decisions.
mircea_popescu: in the process creating a contorted mess.
mircea_popescu: see, this is the thing with these idiots, you can hire 8 of them, and they'll happily go to work. on THE PARTS of the problem that they understand.
mircea_popescu: they ended up with unbounded complexity in the "acl" system which really just happened to be the rug corner under which we brush everything we don't know how to do, didn't it.
mircea_popescu: the unthinkable is unthinkable.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i think that's indices of just the acl 'tables'
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong wit hthese people. the index to data factor isn't a benchmark of efficiency.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i am not at all convinced that these folx individuated, and able to 'identify'
mircea_popescu: "The object-level ACL system was highly inefficient. Numerours indexes were required that could sometimes surpass the actual data size by a factor of 34." << i guess i'm the only one with production dbs where the indexes are 90%+ of the whole thing ?
ben_vulpes: you have to identify as "a coder" to even consider the stuff
mircea_popescu: by now nobody actually has the faintest inkling of a clue as to how computers actually run. at all. whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: this is what the "8. engineers." makes me think of.
mircea_popescu: there's this film with that inept idiot from whatever cars film, the one with an adriano celentano like mug. he's supposedly the capo of this son-of-mobster inept douche and his main spoken line is something like "500. that's how many bla bla".
ben_vulpes: persistence is slow and competence expensive, what is a sv fingertrap author to do but eschew writes to disk and hire the lowest common denominator?
mircea_popescu: "Slave reads were allowed for performance reasons" << check it out, apparently it's in the sql spec after all. even on mondoshit >D
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> all i see is buncha sad folx in penal servitude, for some peculiar reason spending their scarcely-existing free time writing about the wheelbarrows, the dirt, the scurvy. << lol, when the weather warms up I may blog some on personal blog about wheelbarrows, dirt and anti-scurvy
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: proud tradition of penny-in-the-fusebox lives on!
ben_vulpes: anyone remember the "no seriously flush to disk" flag?
ben_vulpes: "i.e. writes were confirmed before they were replicated"
mircea_popescu: who the fuck. seriously now. this made sense somewhere ?
ben_vulpes: "the web ui"
mircea_popescu: and b) holy shit, 8 "engineers" ? kids with whispy chin-only beards stuffing their tongue up an asshole aren't engineers. they're kids with whispy chin beards stuffing their tongue up an asshole.
asciilifeform: all i see is buncha sad folx in penal servitude, for some peculiar reason spending their scarcely-existing free time writing about the wheelbarrows, the dirt, the scurvy.
mircea_popescu: "Backend was completely on Amazon Web Services It was planned to migrate Parse to Facebooks infrastructure (e.g. Haystack, Tao, F4, Extended Apache Giraph, Gorilla) but the project was abandoned Roughly 8 developers working on SDKs, 8 on the server, 8 DevOps + a few more engineers" <<< 1) no it was not "planned", fuckwads don't have mp certificate in planning, may not claim they are engaging in any planning. the prop
ben_vulpes: buddy if you get crypto involved in your drug production it can only be to hose the state, but w/e
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you want random words in a string, you shoulda seen the guy pitching "a cryptocurrency blockchain signature solution to the marijuana regulatory burden" the other night
ben_vulpes: because omfg the hilarity
mircea_popescu: "Parse Server Server was Rails at first (with 24 threads max. concurrency) with very little throughput per server (~1530 requests per second) The server was later rewritten in Go. The open-source Parse server is written Node.js and lacks many functionalities of the original Parse server in Go." <<< holy shit, can you believe the idiocy ? "we wasted a bunch of money doing stupid shit because we truly believe"
a111: Logged on 2017-02-10 02:38 shinohai: http://archive.is/oH9Gl <<< Cute, an Ethereum founder gonna fix Bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-10#1612725 << "It also takes miners -- despite their state of the art equipment, access to electricity, and cooling -- increasingly longer to verify bitcoin transactions" oh get right the fuck out tell that to the myriad instablocks
mircea_popescu: it's pretty much that + "stories from around the web -- find out the secret glassblowers don't want you to know about how a mother of two in vincente lopez lost five kgs off her coffee mug each morning one weird trick!"
mircea_popescu: these fucktards, unqualified to wipe their own drool, dare dream of "revolutionizing the way that..." ? wtf,
ben_vulpes: and to quote myself in another channel, "soz for cynicism but if it looks like madness and a tower of abstractions written by frontend devs who don't in2 systems...it probably is."
mircea_popescu: "Technical problem I: complicated rate limiting. If limit exceeded by a factor of 60 for a minute, requests were dropped. Limits were tracked using a shared Memcache instance. Consequence: when developers experienced rate limits in the API, they added retries. The retries incurred enormous load in the Parse backend." <<< translation : "we are three years old. wut is dis ?"
mircea_popescu: it's that the core parts of mordor infrastructure aren't even worth operating.
ben_vulpes: bezos does this thing with the timeshare where he'll keep a virtual instance image warmish and boot it when the rest of the system says "hey we got a request for that instance"
mircea_popescu: you are reading this, asciilifeform , because in your head you imagine the empire works.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: to revel in others suffering ofc
mircea_popescu: the pain and suffering echo chamber resultant is supposed to come as a surprise i guess ?
mircea_popescu: ustards, ever smarter than the next ustard, managed to build this system whereby nobody has to do any work and everyone has hats through stealing the neigbour's. how the fuck that system's supposed to work is anyone's guess, but here we go :
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they 'modernized' a 'dr jeckyll and mr. hyde' or wut
mircea_popescu: the problem with cultural appropriation as a content generation strategy is that it only works if there's a fucking culture in the first place.
BingoBoingo: Apparently they premised a TV show episode around it
mircea_popescu: what'd they say ?
BingoBoingo: OMG, NBC aired the word "tulpa" tonight!
mircea_popescu: oh and in other lolz, i am apparently the first to have come up with "fakettorney" as far as google's concerned.
ben_vulpes: drews: mod6 operates thebitcoin.foundation, if you made that typo
ben_vulpes: quite regular with the disconnects
mircea_popescu: they possibly even program computers.
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C24LTjnWEAE0iN0.jpg << check it out, apparently the french have like, humour and like webcomics and everything just like normal people.
mircea_popescu: or hm, strike that. i dunno why but the gpgfp/<fp> url 404'd for me. must have typoed it
mircea_popescu: that was a typo sorry :) was just checking the thing out.
mircea_popescu: how can these people be so FUCKING STUPID omfg
mircea_popescu: holy shit the "this poem is not as cryptic" note is shocking.
asciilifeform: soooo apparently they had fat-reddit back in ye olden dayz: http://www.trobar.org/troubadours/misc/anonymous_porquiera.php
trinque: kind gentleman in #lisp points out that the second arg ought to be a list
mircea_popescu: apparently there's such a thing as hashbang.sh
mircea_popescu: lotta these ^ shaped mouths on fatties in attendance huh
mircea_popescu: in other somewhat lulz, https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2017/01/25/12/trump-abortion-2.jpg
mircea_popescu: fucking epic. so - putin asks trump about extending the START, trump says it's a bullshit deal.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: just when you thought this can't get any lulzier: '...resource exhaustion issues which can be triggered only with crafted patterns (either during compilation or execution) are not treated as security bugs.' ( https://sourceware.org/glibc/wiki/Security%20Exceptions )
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> duct tape is useful for actual ducting... << NO!!! For that you need a Mastic Ducting tape!
asciilifeform: rather like that tape that one uses to keep car muffler from falling down on the way to the welder's shop.
asciilifeform: regex belongs in the tool chest next to 'duct tape'.
asciilifeform: ers, handymen, the auto mechanics of the IT industry, all flocked to Perl because they could tinker so well with it with no required knowledge or skills.' ( http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3241270848355795@naggum.no.html ) would go a long way.
asciilifeform: the expulsion of 'In all likelihood, there was no change at all to the labor-intensiveness, but the labor was more "fun" for a certain class of people. Now, industrious retards can be a horrible thing. Over a number of years, close to a decade, Perl accreted bits and pieces from programming languages and became usable in lieu of a programming language by people who lacked the mental wherewithall to do programming. Tinkerers, repair
asciilifeform: incidentally -- there is more to this crapolade than meets the naked eye. regexp is a fundamentally braindamaged concept -- not only in the way described by naggum (how do you infer false positives?) but also in the haskellian idiocy where 'reasonable' and 'thermonuclear self-annihilation' programs look nearly identical, and distinguishing them is np-hard
asciilifeform: 'We found a few extended regex expressions in GNU libc that will crash or abort the execution of regcomp or regexec. For instance: \a?{1,32767} will immediately exhaust the stack calling calc_eclosure_iter in the compilation. A small variation of this regex is: \a?{0,32767} will consume a very large amount of memory: it seems to eat 16GB in less than a minute. It is also possible to exhaust the stack memory trying to parse...'
mircea_popescu: bweahahaha knights for socialism, bash the fash, leftist fight club ? epic.
asciilifeform: ...roared along at very high speed before coming to rest in the butcher’s shop where it burned down the ice room.'
asciilifeform: her’s shop where it burned down the ice room.'
asciilifeform: 'Another unsuccessful rocket torpedo inventor was Patrick Cunningham, an Irish immigrant who earned his living as a shoe maker and repairer in New Bedford, Massachusetts. Samples were tested for several years at NTS but the short range and wholly unpredictable trajectory destined this weapon for the scrap heap. However, in one last fling of exuberance, Cunningham fired his torpedo down the main street of his home town; it roared along
asciilifeform: in other olds,
thestringpuller: Why are OpenSSL types so ridiculous to work with? EC_KEY needs to plug into BIO which has to plug into TTY before you can even print the thing to stdout or a string.
mircea_popescu: "Boston University's Charles River Campus is cancelling daytime and evening classes on Thursday, February 9, 2017 as of 6:00 AM. All academic and administrative activities (e.g. classes, seminars, student activities and meetings) that are scheduled to take place are cancelled." << global warming gave boston a winter storm the likes of which was rarely seen.
mircea_popescu: and in other clams'n'snails, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb4h6snWex1rg58a9o6_500.gif
phf: ^ reminds me of a 90s ru joke, a "new russian" (i.e. mobster) is showing off a piano in his giant mansion lobby. so the friend goes "you know how to play it?" "no, but i got some egghead stopping by tonight to show me how"
mircea_popescu: how's texas enjoying the pussygrab ?
trinque: speak of the diddle
mircea_popescu: i mean suppose what'll now forever be known as the phf problem : you find yourself stranded in tijuana with a drunk slut in bed. you want to buy breakfast. wut do ?
trinque: I provide some command to flip the challenge-me bit
mircea_popescu: there;s a lot of flexibility here. i mean i can see the value in terms of both ease of use and discovering how frail the system is to not bother with opt challenge ; on the other i can see the value in terms of solidity and so on to do bother.
mircea_popescu: for one, yes, good thing ; for the otherdeedbot can still limit payments to voiced ppls.
asciilifeform: ^ ups the ante for fleanode-diddling tho.
mircea_popescu: that opens up the "omfg why did you pay bill at http://scambills.org/roflcopter.txt it wasn't me!!" to which the retort is hey, sfyl, next time don't let someone else log into #trilema as you.
mircea_popescu: trinque well if they're deeds then i say something like !!pay http://deedbot.org/deed-451136-1.txt and deedbot responds with 451136-1.txt paid or insufficient funds or somesuch
trinque: makes sense. and "this is paid when the precise amount of satoshi moves to my account" ?
trinque had namecheap "oh we deleted your records but you noticed, so we removed the penis. what penis, even?" while back
asciilifeform: (though for n00bz i will point out, c compilers as a class did not get much play in the z80 days, because everybody programmed in asm (well, in codes, most folx asmed on paper , by hand)
a111: Logged on 2017-02-08 23:37 framedaddy_ghett: basically, whole hosting provider's network went down, unannounced, including all their services etc. funtimes!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612513 << somehow this unfailingly happens to every d00d who works with tmsr. reminisce nostalgically of the old days when kgb did not have to take down an entire building to plant one phone bug.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-09#1612539 << i am unaware of 'keybase' in any ~other~ context but 'ploy for scamming privkeys out of idiots'
a111: Logged on 2017-02-09 00:08 deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2017/the-circle-explore-method/ << Daniel P. Barron - The Circle Explore Method