deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/20/the-eames-lounge-legacy-continues/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The Eames Lounge legacy continues.
mircea_popescu: or perhaps it's just systematic idiocy, "we'll chear for each of the 0 goals our team scores and keep silent / look away as the mean jocks of the other team do 100 touchdowns"
mircea_popescu: incidentally, any python experts looking for a spot of work ? there's this side project opened up in eulora that's jus' perfect.
mircea_popescu: (and if you send them packing it's of course going to be chaotic organisation and sexism, as per that susan fowler idiot yesterday.)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the air conditioner gave them offense (through for instance piping old rush limbaugh shows in their head or who knows what the fuck similar psychogenic noise) so they prayed to religion and applied the corresponding holy water : something WITH AIR IN IT. because air conditioner. therefore expanding foam.
mircea_popescu: see, the parts of that misfortunate fridge tray ARE CLEAR, and i guess they offended them in some way, so they prayed to science and applied the corresponding holy water : something clear.
mircea_popescu: ok, rant time. idiots glued together two parts of fridge so it can't be properly cleaned. with caulk. which brought to mind the "hvac unit filled with expanding foam for no discernible reason", and i finally groked how these idiots think.
thestringpuller: well put: "the angry divorcee of disney"
BingoBoingo: They annuitized Pixar
thestringpuller: i forget what ended up happening with the pixar cash cow, I always though stuff like Frozen, Wreck It Ralph, etc. were push to reclaim territory
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Those are just marketing
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: you forgot theme parks and child labor
BingoBoingo: In other news that isn't yet qntr'd the threshold, in 3 short years ESPN went from Disney cash cow to open hemorrage
mircea_popescu: us "tech sector" is basically the bros vs the cheerleading sluts vs the librarian dorks vs the etc highschoolorama.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron surprising no one, a) there was exactly no work done by the "engineering" company uber, at any point and b) piles of worthless bureaucratys each trying to use their own brand of identity politicsw to "get on top"
mircea_popescu: who could have guessed doing with the gab isn't doing something!
mircea_popescu: half the piece is about dumbass half-transparent overlays and making me a sandwich while shutting the fuck up.
mircea_popescu: other than ubuntu and crapple you mean ?
asciilifeform: (going by the linked piece)
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 18:44 mircea_popescu: the receiver should see it ; the sender has nfi what happened, rescan will fix.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615687 << fwiw, receiving wallet does see amt sent. meanwhile trb restarted with -rescan shows same balance as before, which we now realize *had changed* following transaction just...not by amt sent. to wit, listtransactions sees original balance, sees correct sent amt with fee, nevertheless balance via getinfo has mystery-difference. which shows as a negative, and only value, via listaccounts.
mircea_popescu: ahaha. so basically... they give up, right ? unix-like ie 100% of the net infrastructure. prb is officially a toy, not to be run seriously.
mircea_popescu: "PRB should also work on most other Unix-like systems but is not frequently tested on them."
asciilifeform: the other interesting bit is the task system. language was designed from the ground up to have sane concurrency. can make 'throwaway' processes , that pass data in intrinsically safe ways
asciilifeform: mod6: the bulk of what takes 'getting used to' in ada is not the syntax, but the forced sanity, e.g. you get (grudgingly) a malloc, but not a free! idea being, you get to pick a memory footprint and LIVE in it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^ rather
mircea_popescu: they got a problem, blockchain hasn't fit on any tablet apple markets for a year
asciilifeform: mod6: working through the spark b00k presently
asciilifeform: ada proggy, speaks the protocol as defined by trb; but does not attempt to verify blocks, instead uses its 'horse' (trb node it rides) as an oracle
mircea_popescu: last month or somesuch, you used the word condom
asciilifeform: it was in one of the discussions re 'how to cut apart'
ben_vulpes: "mostly reading" last time i spoke to himi on the topic
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> some kind of share-able listener tmsr infrastructure. has a lot to do with the uci project. << yeah, many exciting things are starting to open up.
mod6: testing on the new V seems to be going well, probably will publish next month.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> it's kinda covered in teh foundation reports... but maybe an interview format thing'd be a good idea << yeah, I like the idea.
mircea_popescu: though... you probablty don't want to ask the node.
mircea_popescu: some kind of share-able listener tmsr infrastructure. has a lot to do with the uci project.
mircea_popescu: there is that.
BingoBoingo: The things about the reports is the proceed piecemeal into thing like channel epihany today
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, mod6 : next mega-advance will probably be to make it self-reproducing - i.e. to shit out a bootable hdd with itself. i experimented with this in the pogo era but hung up at the time on buildroot freezing, which was since solved by mod6
mircea_popescu: heh there is that
mod6: doesn't leave a lot for cover for the birds. we hunt in the snow, until it becomes un-walkable. once i did through 3-4 ft. drifts, and nearly had a cardiac event.
mod6: mircea_popescu: today was a gift. usually never hunt by this time of year -- too cold, too much snow in the fields.
mircea_popescu: myeah, to borrow alfism, it's unclear what the megawatt of iron folk would have even done re this. it's not, afaik, a matter approacheable by corporate america.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> ha nice going mod6 << Thanks! & Thanks to all who helped in the effort.
mircea_popescu: (and of course it's only 16 months in a very loose measuring, original v was published the very same month)
a111: Logged on 2015-08-05 13:38 mircea_popescu: one is USE. specifically - hanbot must be able to put into work the theoretical advances b-a produces. and ima use her as a stand-in for "intelligent and willing to work, but not able to grow a beard".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, it's glorious to watch. i would say we have a complete, reliable and quite elegant solution to the original mandate
asciilifeform: considering that this builds toolchain, gcc, linux kernel, busybox userland (currently unused), then trb deps, and then trb...
asciilifeform reports a successful replication of mod6's recipe http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html , 'offline' variant, using his vtron etc. took exactly 40 minutes from the instance of making an empty dir to do it in, to having <5MB finished binary in my hands.
mod6: they are tasty, indeed.
mod6: The unusually warm weather provided me a banner day of hunting. Got seven myself. http://www.mod6.net/hunting_20170219.jpg
ben_vulpes: from kakloandia: http://disobedientmedia.com/ngo-fleet-bussing-migrants-into-the-eu-has-ties-to-george-soros-hillary-clinton-donors/
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: aye, reasonabru. i'll probably kill the web stuff and make the thing irc-only. not going to happen immediately, still planning out data collection system
asciilifeform for some reason failing to turn it up in the l0gz
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was pretty clear when you explained it here to asciilifeform during the july '15 events.
mircea_popescu: but actually the fact that i think we'd lose out on a lot of value by not doing the v-tron thing here.
mircea_popescu: the reason i hesitate to publish the extensive mp alien techs wrt bitcoin infrastructure isn't simply the sheer size ; nor merely the political consideration of, "hey, there's a lot of value in enemy not actually knowing what mp capabilities are -- as widely exemplified in the public sphere by the march cartel trampling among who knows what private adventures"
mircea_popescu: there is some value in accepting crapolade from randos.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've been contemplating the correct way to make pseudonodes. way i see it is, it should still maintain a cache of recent blocks, and have a backhaul to mothership controlled by owner to request signed block checksums, and whole blocks if cache does not find; rather than accepting crapolade from randos
mircea_popescu: exactly mirroring the signed/encrypted thing in tmsr.
mircea_popescu: yes, because you don't want to commit the serious resources needed for a node on each of these boxen.
asciilifeform: (and i will add: 1 is quite certainly insufficient, and 2 -- just ~barely~ enough -- to have real-time access to the network)
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 19:13 mircea_popescu: way it ought to work starts with finely dispersed listeners throughout the network, which i hesitate to place as a "every lord should have" type of obligation in 2017, but will eventually become
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615717 << i gotta wonder what the folx without 1+ working trb node, think they are doing.
asciilifeform: ^ these include strictly those folx who built with versionstring knob. or rather, some quite arbitrary subset thereof (i.e. those not in a black hole atm)
asciilifeform: in other lulz, heathendom https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99 sees 9 trb nodez.
mircea_popescu: this sounds shockingly dumb when stated, but then again in point of fact average usian has "many sources of information : reddit, wikipedia, six different fake news outlets + nature!"
asciilifeform: 'if they all had but one neck' (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how does 'dispersed listener' differ from 'run many nodez, and they gotta have tx debugger' ?
mircea_popescu: because the blind can't rule, as it were.
mircea_popescu: way it ought to work starts with finely dispersed listeners throughout the network, which i hesitate to place as a "every lord should have" type of obligation in 2017, but will eventually become
asciilifeform: way it oughta work is, say, 'findtx <tx>' and we get, e.g., '<tx> is nth in block B', or <tx> is in mempool', or '<tx> not seen', in all but the last case followed by hexdump
asciilifeform: to revisit upstack, ftr trb still does not have a tx debugger. when, e.g., mircea_popescu, asks me 'have you seen tx T', all i have is to grep the log barf
BingoBoingo: Sawing is fine good fun. Coping is the sort of task that lead to Doctor's adminishions to stop doing that and repetitive stress injury.
BingoBoingo: ^ When was the last time anyone coped with a coping saw?
asciilifeform: ftr i see nTransactionFee as an idiocy, and imho the thing ought to demand the fee amount as a second argument to sendtoaddress
asciilifeform: well yes, i am eating the l0gz
mircea_popescu: you know she just poked me with the same thing ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider publishing your tx debugger as a trb patch ? (the thing that lets mircea_popescu answer questions like 'where is ea58f22fe5bbb4f42edb8be90a37f98b57af12007f7620f7ab94111a06ff3ebb ?' )
hanbot: i mean the amt sent to non-trb wallet is still included in trb wallet.
mircea_popescu: reported by the miner that included it, as best i can tell.
mircea_popescu: (the dblspend is included 5 blocks ago)
mircea_popescu: better in the sense that better than hawker.
mats: mircea_popescu: yes, isn't nature one of the better 'open access' journals?
trinque: I'm going to aim the deeds service at #trilema-trinque for a few minutes to test.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller weed is a swamp thing not a desert thing. grows best in wash dc.
mircea_popescu: mats the newspaper version of everything will be braindamaged. ever read any "science" from nature etc ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sounds a lot like someone read trilema on the topic lel.
trinque: people grow weed everywhere there are buildings
thestringpuller: people grow good weed on the east coast?
mats: you can afford rent for safe houses but can't be fucked to develop a connect in the northeast? and drive the stuff down like sane people?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i must say. when I put 40 hours into the first thief over vacation, definitely repeated that phrase to myself a lot: "thinking man's doom" such an apt three word description for the game.
asciilifeform: 'The Green Angels, she tells me, are selling a fantasy of an attractive, well-educated, presentable young woman who wants to get you high—a slightly more risqué Avon lady. Not all of the Angels are working models, but they are all young and attractive. In eight years, they have never been busted by the cops. The explanation is simple: Good-looking girls don’t get searched.'
asciilifeform: in re earlier lulz, https://archive.is/xXiAF >> 'Today her total expenses average more than $300,000 a month for the product, plus around $30,000 for cabs, cell phones, rent for various safe houses, and other administrative costs. She makes a profit of $27,000 a week. “I like seeing a pile of cash in my living room,” she says.'
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: of course
asciilifeform laboured under the possibly naive impression that x11 was 'in stone' for eons
phf: unrelatedly, someone ported franz's clim2 to ccl, but instead of using ffi to motif backend, they used an original generas clx backend, that is still there. the result is ugly, broken on mac's x11, but works, and potentially could be improved and optimized by interested parties. http://glyf.org/screenshots/clim2-clx.png
mircea_popescu: fortunately cunts of all subcultures work. the rest...
mircea_popescu: land of the fucking gypsies what more can be said.
phf: you can walk in, ask for a theme, and you're going to be presented with a range of crude looking trinkets, the kind that you would see as costume jewelry in the "little princess" corner of the store
phf: based on what it is. if it's supposed to cary a stone of some sort, 18, then goes up
asciilifeform: phf: the wedding trinkets -- are of pure gold?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what they;re thinking.
phf: every bank has a "gold loan" department, presumably to pawn the wedding jewelry on the as needed basis. you see this dynamic as you step of the airplane. the idea that currency ban hits anyone but the poorest of the poor is ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: phf yeah. gold was already "A problem" in the soviet meaning of the term in india. with this idiocy, they're making it a fully gold standard place.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty sure usd currently fills the 'gold mircea_popescu dubloon' niche there, just as in other orclands
phf: that's basically what they do her re strike gold rounds. according to a gold seller for an average indian wedding he sells roughly 2kg worth of jewelry. he says that different sellers will have slightly different numbers (based on how prestigious they are), but he's sort of in the middle of normal distribution
mircea_popescu: Kingdom of India, rape all the bureaucrat 16yo daughters. sounds like a party.
mircea_popescu: if i lived in india i'd strike gold rounds, with my face on one side and my crown on the other. and if the "indian our democracy" doesn't like it, they can eat hot ieds.
mircea_popescu: the "people will route around you" point is somehow not obvious.
mircea_popescu: it's funny though, the "advanced" "our" democracy superstate slowly decides that it doesn't WANT to do all the fundamental things it parasitized, such as cash supply.
asciilifeform: also bbc today: 'Viewpoint: Let's smash crime by scrapping big banknotes. The man who came up with "demonetisation" on whether India did it right.'
phf: i need to move a handful of things into storage, throw out the bulk and handover my apartment back to landlord. mostly i don't want to lose my books, but i'm going to split them between a handful of trusted locations
mircea_popescu: justified ; their musical instruments weren't up to code. people are irresponsible, you could start a fire using the wrong kind of trumpet. and fire is dangerous, whole fucking party could die because of it.
mircea_popescu: phf why are you even getting back to dc in the first place ?
asciilifeform: phf: every time you find one of these, i think 'holy shit, it was alive until now?!'
phf: of course, the sum of all moves is insubstantial, but the totality is going to produce the gnupg effect. 5000 renames for 5 meaningful changes, meanwhile yet another project to add to naggum emacs archive
mircea_popescu does the jewish armshake.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 16:12 mircea_popescu: (the source was 80s dispute wrt to general public's apparent bottomless appetite for purchasing luxury goods -- in eastern communism this includes meat, washing machines, electricity, etc -- for which they won't even have the fucking decency to pay in hard currency, but aim to use the worthless reminbo internal scrip)
mircea_popescu: "what moves faster than clouds ?" "nothing really" "how come clouds haven't taken over the world ?" "but in their way... they have."
mircea_popescu: nah, it's mostly because they're so unsubstantial.
phf: i don't have a smart comment, "exasperation" is the correct term in this case. i'm looking in awe at the turnaround time though, some kind of "modernization" fast track right there
phf: meanwhile in the alternative, Zardoz future of computing http://68.media.tumblr.com/56069cfb482020c2a964a581385d99d2/tumblr_olj5dqSF5u1uu4f9zo1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: more or less a "there's no fucking end to the amount of chinese crap these idiots would """buy""" if they had credit cards. and no, there isn't.
mircea_popescu: (the source was 80s dispute wrt to general public's apparent bottomless appetite for purchasing luxury goods -- in eastern communism this includes meat, washing machines, electricity, etc -- for which they won't even have the fucking decency to pay in hard currency, but aim to use the worthless reminbo internal scrip)
mircea_popescu: related to the discussion of how "bitcoin corrupts".
mircea_popescu: it's the funny fate of people at the top of a socialist dictatorship to become very right wing ever as their populace drifts ever more into ustardism.
mircea_popescu: expression famously used by elena ceausescu wrt the general populace. very much in this line of exasperation, they'll chew everything these schmucks.
phf: guy who snatched mcclim from g_l, and who otherwise got a somewhat cold treatment from the ccl core before joined the channel the next day with "i guess i should subscribe to mailing list :)"
a111: Logged on 2016-07-20 15:43 phf: so i push back on the guy, rme says "let's change subject", within minutes guy goes "it's late here i gotta go to sleep"
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507131 << in related news, gbyers, the original systems guru of ccl, who responded to every "modernization" attempt with "sure, if you can explain me what's the point" stepped down. within a day, clozure cl was moved to github, with current list of "issues" https://github.com/Clozure/ccl/issues. in case anyone was wondering "what happens when linus steps down"
mircea_popescu: blessfully, there is a large contingent of young women who deeply intuit the whole thing's bullshit ; which is the most that can be said for the place. making the anglophone ideological america VERY much a "city of jerusalem". total jews, these folk.
mircea_popescu: that's the one, only, true and authentic soul of america and naught else. apparent alternatives are always and without exception strictly a) tolerated imports with no substantial intermingling with local idiocy and b) only tolerated because of exterior pressure ; if usian CAN get away with no longer pretending to frenchness, germanity, etc he most definitely will.
mircea_popescu: if there is to be something substantially murican, to stand with the russki "soul of the peasant", it's a badly typeset secret big town learnin' france doesn't want ms cormack of potato, idaho to know.
mircea_popescu: phf you're exactly right. this current maga-able us economy consisting of "we'll be rich by doing each other's laundry" is not in any sense novel, or invented by the pantsuit mcclinton. in fact, on a frank review of the extant record, the only properly said us-american culture is THIS. in between the quack salesman and the itinerant scammer you find the neoprotestant-innovative firebrand preacher, the systematizing industrial
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 05:18 trinque: https://wiki.postgresql.org/images/4/45/Explaining_EXPLAIN.pdf << sorry for the pdf, but there's "explain"
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615505 << just to note for asciilifeform and given that i didn't see it mentioned in the pdf (could have easily missed it), `EXPLAIN (ANALYZE, BUFFERS) $yoursqlquery` *is* useful. "buffers" will also show how much of postgres cache was hit during query execution, etc. etc.; it's quite nice.
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
phf: i'm 2 weeks away from having to go back to washington, dc. i'm over the hump, and doubling down on hate.
mats: i'll add a trigger warning if there's a next time
phf: the whole vibe of the piece that you linked is that. "here's 10 books i wrote on how to be a leading brain surgeon. i myself am not a brain surgeon of course too hard lol, i just made all the money writing books like that"
mats: i've been away from the valley too long
phf: i wonder if "scott young" used bulletproof coffee every morning, to prep himself up for mit ciriculum study. did he organize his studies using GTD??? what kind of organizer did he use, and where can i buy it? the audience wants to know answers to these vital questions
phf: i can't vouch for the current edition (with the colourful chronometer on the cover), becaues comments side that it's not just a reprent, but a revised text based on gould's notes.
phf: i picked up https://www.amazon.com/Longitude-Genius-Greatest-Scientific-Problem/dp/080271529X that someone left on the train, it's a popsci history of longitude problem, which in turn pointed me to the gould book, which i found in a local collectors' bookstore
phf: asciilifeform: did you get the new and improved edition? or a pirate pdf of the original? i'm not sure what the warez status of it is, but i can potentially do a proper scan of the first ed
diana_coman: by this time I rather expect that the underlying truth there is that MIT's "computer science curriculum" simply is watered down
diana_coman: "While there will always be people with unfair advantages" bwahahaa
mats: TIL about the Feynman Technique, via http://calnewport.com/blog/2012/10/26/mastering-linear-algebra-in-10-days-astounding-experiments-in-ultra-learning
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there is a surprising tradition of this. i recall reading about a fella in new york who was permitted to build himself an electrically-operated (button in his hand) 'upward jerker' gallows system, and hang on it
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=6657 << "I dont know why the state doesnt just put the condemned prisoner under with a general anesthetic and then cut off his head with a sawzall. They are clearly over-thinking the whole process."
trinque: https://wiki.postgresql.org/images/4/45/Explaining_EXPLAIN.pdf << sorry for the pdf, but there's "explain"
asciilifeform: *there
asciilifeform: plan is to rewrite the thing, this spring, with 0 sql.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do not particularly want to hand off the project, no.
trinque: ok, you said that you are reading and writing heavily to the same table
trinque: what db is this then
asciilifeform: trinque: understand, the gcd thing takes up ~3 minutes of db time daily. not a significant factor at all.
trinque: ok so there are materialized views, yes? stored query the results of which are written to a table
trinque: can you use a materialized view there?
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 04:32 mod6: (my guess here, is that you're inserting heavily on the same table as you are trying to read from)
asciilifeform: trinque: how might i go about determining the answer to this ?
trinque: the "concurrent" in acid ought to mean this doesn't happen
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: at the risk of repeating the words of the cartoon yoga master (who offered the n00b a bed of 1 nail) -- 'gotta start small'
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if you haven't spent last 20yrs programming, this chore isn't for you, sadly
asciilifeform: mod6: i sat for whole day with the tuning. worthless.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: is there a guide on making this fabled kernel module for fuckgoats?
asciilifeform: reading AT MOTHERFUCKING DISK SPEED as it OUGHT TO READ
asciilifeform: we had a thread, where mircea_popescu suggested inserting in massive batches. i will eventually implement this. but i find it offputting that EVEN THEN the IDIOTIC db will prevent me from reading !!!
mod6: and if you're doing (what might be default in pgsql) some sort of full table locking on inserts, then that'd be something to look at.
mod6: (my guess here, is that you're inserting heavily on the same table as you are trying to read from)
asciilifeform: the db is intrinsic bottleneck.
asciilifeform: incidentally i measured the thing in between Framedragger parcels
asciilifeform: because the Framedragger data set is pumped in 24/7.
asciilifeform: mod6: they happen constantly
mod6: so, UIs are usually victims, ofc. and the bottleneck is in the database. might be worth your time to see what your explain plans look like (are we doing a lot of table scans?), what do your lock counts look like? are we doing lots of long runing queries that return no rows? etc.
mod6: (im much more familiar with mysql's perf schema, not really with psql, but... I find these things very helpful on a regular basis.)
asciilifeform: mod6: just the same old idiocy with 10-40sec per page load.
mod6: asciilifeform: anything catching your eye in the performance statistics?
asciilifeform: walked the docs. nuffin.
asciilifeform: and again i went 'surely there MUST be a knob to permit-FUCKYOU-UNBLOCKEDALWAYS-READS... i must've missed it' but nope.
mircea_popescu: kinda what they're for.
asciilifeform: it may be the most overloaded trabant on planet3
asciilifeform: in other softwaresucks, i applied all of the optimizations folx have written to me about re phuctor. still ~same slow.
thestringpuller: "RAND_poll seeds the random number generator using a system-specific entropy source, which is /dev/urandom on UNIX-like operating systems" << so openssl default is PRNG??? RE: "The urandom device may lack sufficient entropy for your needs, and you might want to reseed it immediately from /dev/random. On Unix and other operating systems that provide the block device, you can use RAND_load_file to load directly from /dev/random."
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller as in feed /dev/random directly from it yes
mircea_popescu: openssl can't be trusted to actually use entropy in the first place.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: that, or kernel
mircea_popescu: and in today's walk among the ancient texts, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-12#792148
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: whythefuck does yours have ratchet
asciilifeform: also mentioned a different crackpottery i had in my head -- to use pair of magnets instead of balance spring, to overcome the thermal boojum (that harrison ended up inventing bimetallic spring to solve) -- as having been tried, unsuccessfully, by huygens
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf the chronometer b00k is spiffy.
asciilifeform: maybe it's just me, but i do not want idiots to anything. other than to stop breathing.
mircea_popescu: such as i dunno, the 5th channel logger.
mircea_popescu: imagine what $idiots could accomplish if they put all this pointless labour into actually doing something useful.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/18/the-robot-tax/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The robot tax.
asciilifeform: '... what was once dedication is replaced by greed and sometimes sheer need as the motivation to enter the field.'
a111: Logged on 2017-02-18 20:20 mircea_popescu: it's i realise now, directly the problem - the snippetage. IF a language/method/package/abstract-item-whatever has a lot of "copy paste this snippet" built around it, then the useless worms that opened up and swallowed the immense productive assets and limitless human ingenuity existing in america recognize it for the business-world equivalent of their schooldays : THE HOLY CLIFF NOTES!!1
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-18#1615371 << the nutrient alone is not enough to produce maggots. e.g., 'SWAG' archive ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-18#1241627 ) of pascal snippets existed, was first class . 0 maggotry.
mircea_popescu: and "i just want to" is the mantra humming along, all of it.
mircea_popescu: functionalistic culture. "i don't have to understand how fridge works as long as i know which door to open" is the first step to "and then i made the hay airplane but presents didn't drop from sky" after all.
mircea_popescu: and so they attempt to built a career through the process and in the manner that built their "education".
mircea_popescu: it's i realise now, directly the problem - the snippetage. IF a language/method/package/abstract-item-whatever has a lot of "copy paste this snippet" built around it, then the useless worms that opened up and swallowed the immense productive assets and limitless human ingenuity existing in america recognize it for the business-world equivalent of their schooldays : THE HOLY CLIFF NOTES!!1
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall me trying to comprehend lisp and saying the documentation is absent ?
asciilifeform: also must be shit. for the beetle to smell.
asciilifeform: it ain't the 'well-documentedness' that attracts.
mircea_popescu: but irl, they just happen to be items with vast online documentation. so a lot of dung to snatch, as it were.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, yes, I think asciilifeform is quite right there - I *saw* "programmers" doing exactly that in fact
a111: Logged on 2017-02-18 18:09 ben_vulpes: footnote 3 is a gorgeous little sentence, i don't think i've ever seen the like from a native english speaker
mircea_popescu: but it's ok, they pay their debt to society by answering questions on experts sex change.
mircea_popescu: anyway asciilifeform has it, the basically scour the web for code snippets much like dung beetle.
thestringpuller: it also happened recently iirc with the konami-kojima incident (wherein konami stole his Fox engine)
thestringpuller: diana_coman the sad thing is all the good gamedev code is sealed, especially after the mid 2000's renderware incident with EA.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/02/bitcoin-network-difficulty-climbs-to-440779902286-58917236-yet-another-all-time-high/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Network Difficulty Climbs To 440779902286.58917236 – Yet Another All Time High
asciilifeform: it is a mistake to describe the agglomerative type of 'programming' as product of 'thought'. it is more similar to what dung beetle does.
ben_vulpes: footnote 3 is a gorgeous little sentence, i don't think i've ever seen the like from a native english speaker
diana_coman: and yes, fwiw I don't think they bothered with having anything in their heads, not by the looks of it: hey, it WORKS, right?