a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 20:07 mircea_popescu: can you presently count the bitcoin networks that exist ?
asciilifeform: but now picture if i had to own one of the six cartel nodes, to have a verifiable copy of blockchain.
trinque: it could indeed be argued that only miner=relay increases the consolidation
asciilifeform: but i can transmit a tx. (for the time being)
asciilifeform: the other fundamental problem is that classical bitcoin comes with immense incentive for miner cartelization. if nothing were changed other than 'miner must be a proper node', we get what amounts to visa.
trinque: are they payment processors or not
trinque: because the actual people doing the mining are not bearing the cost of collecting that which they mine
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 23:18 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because the bitcoin network bandwith far exceeds the ACTUAL transaction needs of the civilised world.
asciilifeform: it ~failed to materialize. the continued existence of 0fee tx, anywhere, ever, is proof.
asciilifeform: there is ~no fee market.
asciilifeform: than give away their positions.
asciilifeform: because miners have more incentive for secrecy than they have for gathering txes from the wild.
asciilifeform: but in fact if this becomes common -- and you can think of the spamola attacks of last 2 yrs as in fact attempts to MAKE it happen -- propagation will stall.
asciilifeform: trinque: any node that wants to , is in fact welcome to drop the mempool on the floor
trinque: asciilifeform: why can I not simply transmit the txn directly to any node which has said via protocol "I want txns"
trinque: let him take the expense; I'll verify his block later
asciilifeform: or, if you like, a dog pound, where poor beasts await the soap boiler and ~sometimes~ somebody takes one home
trinque: doesn't really answer the question
asciilifeform: atm mempool works as a 'meat market' where the eligible chixx stand around, waiting, hoping for a serious mircea_popescu to show up and take'em home
trinque: you are trying to pay for the cost of each node verifying a txn
asciilifeform: gotta specify why the hypothetical conditions will differ from the current ones, trinque
asciilifeform: afaik nobody in tmsr has any direct link to any miner whasoever (or at the very least, wants to admit to it)
trinque: blast to nodes I know which have indicated an interest in mining them
trinque: to ask perhaps a stupid question, what is the reason for all nodes running mempool, rather than only those nodes which are mining?
asciilifeform: i could picture some clever mathemagical route whereby each hop can only take a portion of what the n-1-th node consented to -- but i know of no algo to make it thinkable.
asciilifeform: (even if you limit the total node feed to some small constant, the miner can ~still~ take ~100% of it, this way)
asciilifeform: if you let ANYONE, under ANY circumstances, appropriate some of the value of a tx without the consent of its original author, you create a sybil-feeder, where the last hop (i.e. the miner) can simply eat 100% by simulating the passage of the tx through 1,000,001 hops of fictional nodes.
asciilifeform: oooook i finally realized that the problem -- as stated above -- is unsolvable
asciilifeform: also if 'a block has many fathers', as in contemplated scheme, this re-introduces the possibility of pool. which imho is a Bad Thing.
asciilifeform: ( the above ^ now that i think about it, could be simplified to mircea_popescu's earlier 'node accepts if you put an output to his addr in your tx' )
asciilifeform: i can think of ~one~ approach, so far: tx creator asks his first-hop node for a nonce, which he then incorporates into his tx, which protocolically declares consent to the node fee. similarly to how miner fee already works. BUT this does not solve the problem of how 2nd ... nth hops, could add anything whatsoever meaningful to the tx.
asciilifeform: but at the same time has to preserve the validity of the original tx creator's signature.
asciilifeform: (it has to be ~protocolic~, that is, something that the next-pass relay, or miner, could not simply strip out)
BingoBoingo: Plastics are fundamentally unequal to each other
asciilifeform: and now the interesting observation -- what's with the plastic parts (fan blades, connector headers) that did not melt or so much as warp ?
asciilifeform: archiving the images individually -- strangely, works : e.g., https://archive.is/7XgPb https://archive.is/a5fRg
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'medium' now replaces images with blank turds whenever archive.is (and also ye olde archive.org !) saves a page there
asciilifeform: (before anyone laughs, i will point out, yes, the necessary mechanical parts for this do not presently exist.)
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu here's another crackpottery in re the nodes/miners/txers 'racul, broasca si o stiuca' : ~multistage mining~. where a node can encumber (protocolically/mathematically - for now i will not specify how) a tx with some proofofwork, when passing it on to next relay; and when the tx is mined, the block reward is split between the multiple parents of the final tx.
trinque: the bizarre things that follow "who are you?"
mircea_popescu: "i can scarcely see how could there be more of that"
asciilifeform: this is an ad-hoc, orcish version of the 'pay to play' discussed earlier.
mircea_popescu: cuz it's the fucking spec.
asciilifeform: which is not connected to mempool in the usual sense (why would, e.g., antpool, want to tell other pools your tx)
mircea_popescu: so if you piss it in, what then ?
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 17:11 mircea_popescu: consider http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615679 ; nobody seems much perturbed that THE FIRST TIME A TRANSACTION WAS HEARD OF WAS WHEN IT SHOWED UP IN A BLOCK.
mircea_popescu: but, of course, http://trilema.com/2014/the-hour-of-reckoning/
asciilifeform: but it does not solve the 'nodes women' thing.
asciilifeform: (given mircea_popescu's algo, they more or less must vertically integrate.) then there will be equally little point for nonmining nodes to operate as there is today.
mircea_popescu: totally ruins the "anglotards can think" theory. if they could think this'd be the #1 think they'd be on the lookout for.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 18:39 mircea_popescu: reported by the miner that included it, as best i can tell.
mircea_popescu: consider http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-19#1615679 ; nobody seems much perturbed that THE FIRST TIME A TRANSACTION WAS HEARD OF WAS WHEN IT SHOWED UP IN A BLOCK.
mircea_popescu: i can scarcely see how could there be more of that, but ok.
mircea_popescu: now, the objection can of course be raised that "what guarantees do i have someone will marry me", to which the answer is of course both none and fuck you. it works if you work it, as the expression goes.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 23:22 mircea_popescu: basically nodes are the digital equivalent of women : men fuck them so the state can have babies. hurr durr, pill plox.
mircea_popescu: this is closer to marriage, in trying to resolve the noder-miner http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618589 problem.
mircea_popescu: the storing node chose by the victorious miner to do its prepwork gets whatever they agreed upon.
asciilifeform: all he gets is the electric bill
asciilifeform: the nonmining node still gets zilch
mircea_popescu: whether even is fair or not is a marketable question.
mircea_popescu: 'tx is paid for all nodes for a million blocks, while creator pays once and miner rakes in the cake << consider, if it costs 10 bux to store a kb for 1mn blocks, and it costs 20000 bux to mine a block and there's 2k txn to the block, then it can be said the split is even.
asciilifeform: that'd be rather like calling nsa's database a 'large file backup infrastructure'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ is exactly what the title says. necessary FOR ANY.
mircea_popescu: deeply unfungible, like people, these txn. 15yo can't fuck 5yo.
asciilifeform: the other problem is that 'tx is paid for all nodes for a million blocks, while creator pays once and miner rakes in the cake' is not a substantial improvement over the current case
mircea_popescu: of course, with this scheme we also lose bitcoin mixing, which is the true problem.
mircea_popescu: you understand this, yes ? currently the blockchain is an inexistent object the world depends upon.
mircea_popescu: well it will also turn the blockchain into a tenable from an untenable proposition.
asciilifeform: the 1 problem is that ~nobody actually ~wants~ to use a demurraging coin
mircea_popescu: there'll be up to 1bn coins in the system at all points after the millionth block, and everyone can price their holdings according to blocktime, and all is well.
mircea_popescu: but the correct trb-i might just as well end up this situation where block reward is 1mn bitcoin, and it dies within 1mn blocks. so all mining does is produce ~ a lease ~ on a chunk of bitcoin. and the value of old bitcoin is monotonically decreasing over their lifetime.
mircea_popescu: now, there is a lot of merit to danielpbarron 's observation -- all that is, must die. but yes, there's also a lot of merit to the contrary alf view -- the whole fucking point here is that we're flirting with immortality, innit now.
asciilifeform: just as it makes a difference whether we run out of usable tantalum 5000 yrs from now, or in 5.
asciilifeform: this is one of those cases where the constant -- matters
mircea_popescu: this marries us to an infinite object. which then creates problems, as discussed.
asciilifeform: likewise for the reason that ~someone~ still has to keep the world history around. as soon as it is not practically accessible to ~anyone, it becomes possible to 'consensus' and fiatolate.
mircea_popescu: well for the reason stated.
asciilifeform: it is a heathen heresy
asciilifeform: as i understand it, there cannot be such a thing as 'safely pruned'
mircea_popescu: no, lose in the sense of, "we no longer need to store tx Z because reasons
mircea_popescu: which makes "pruned" blockchain entirely useless for any purpose (other than "convincingly" to a standard that's not actually convincing pretend to be you know, done homework)
mircea_popescu: the problem with "expiring txn", as fundamentally and intuitively sound as it seems, is that if you lose the relation to the original coinbase, you lost everything.
asciilifeform: with the 'god fee' crackpottery etc.
mircea_popescu: this will necessarily mean that the woman does not own her body, in some sense and to some degree, when discussing cunts ; and that i don't know what the fuck unpleasantry, when discussing bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: so : maybe there can be a way to organize the whole scheme so that the cost of a txn in terms of node is balanced out with the cost of the txn in terms of user ; and miner.
asciilifeform: 'don't lend more than it'd cost the debtor to have you plugged'
asciilifeform: the debtor, that is
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orlov phrased same lemma with different pieces -- '90s ru produced a dictum, 'don't lend more than it'd cost the creditor to take a contract on you'
a111: Logged on 2015-09-29 10:10 mircea_popescu: who knows. the venetians spent all their time training the girls to be whores, lost to charles on the field then won in the bedroom.
mircea_popescu: it's how the us set itself up the bomb, through "morality", also ; and why as it is dying, that relaxes.
mircea_popescu: and this is what "when trade stops war starts" fundamentally means : all items WILL be priced. if they can not be priced through a market, they will be priced through a war. which is why whores are the exact mechanism through which war is avoided : in pricingtheir cunt on the market, they avoid the need to have their cunts priced at the point of the sword.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i can't speak for others, but i'd have 0 interest in a bitcoin where you can cause someone's coin to evaporate by disrupting his net connectivity for a decade or two (e.g., by imprisoning)
mircea_popescu: nobody, and consequently... they aren't. but this isn't a market, it's a war.
mircea_popescu: who will provide the dying empire so the young brits of 1990 can be as cool as the brits of 1790 ?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: one of the fundamental attractions, as i see it, of bitcoin, is that it is devoid of the idiot usg-powered musical chairs of 'keep moving the money or we'll steal'
mircea_popescu: such systems do not exist outside of a simulation, take for instance the issue of piracy ; or its exact equivalent, "trade".
mircea_popescu: for instance eulora, all items that exist can be priced on the basis of other items that exist ; there are no items outside of this scheme. makes eulora a perfect system.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a market is closed in this sense when all the externalities can be priced.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: expiring addrs are problematic in their own way, see the 'canned tx' discussion from few days ago
mircea_popescu: it's not so far clear that there can't exist a sensible, and protocol-explicit method to close a market around the fundamental problem of uxto
mircea_popescu: whereas the blockchain will grow and grow and grow, and with it the aggregate cost of handling that one txn will be infinite.
mircea_popescu: no matter how expensive a transaction that is is, the bulk of things to come will overcome it.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron the problem is that whatever a bar may be placed in front of people, it must be finite. whereas the flow of time is infinite.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: was the direction i was thinking in, earlier
asciilifeform: mempool spam is ~uninteresting in the long term, wotronic solution solves it
mircea_popescu: there is that.
asciilifeform: this solves mempool spam but not the basic problem where a tx sitting in a block is an infinite, recurring cost, while the cost of creating it is finite and one-time.
mircea_popescu: well that's a different story. hence the http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/
mircea_popescu: the solution to this problem is still what it was last we discussed it : make the nodes responsible for the txn they convey to you.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is not directly obvious. anyone may publish any bullshit they want, and i spend 0 cycles not reading it.
mircea_popescu: pays 25 bucks. for what the fuck, ashoeshine ?
asciilifeform: the finding i keep bashing my head against, is the realization that the current scheme ('anyone can make any number of valid tx they want, and everyone else must spend cpu cycles again and again and again testing it') has no future.
mircea_popescu: shinohai tell the little bitch to stop being so fucking poor.
mircea_popescu: well, it'd be ~same as the large easter island items, you know ? "immutable object"
mircea_popescu: people'd just keep track of the previous outputs like so many tradestones.
mircea_popescu: nah, just the one.
asciilifeform: what would the degenerate case -- block==1tx -- look like ?
mircea_popescu: yes. if it increases the tx mining standard to the point it's = the block mining standard, you coupled issuance and expense.
mircea_popescu: currently, blocks issue money and txn spend money. and their decoupling, having nodes "mined" to a hard standard while txn are ALSO mined to a much weaker standard, is sensible.
asciilifeform: ( i can picture that people wishing to 'be bank' will bid up the cost of txing, by pushing up difficulty. but the wotronic answer -- limit access to nodes to 'subscribers' -- also threatens to re-create banks, neh ? )
mircea_popescu: this is a truth of the same level of, "a ship needn't carry a shipyard"
mircea_popescu: the function of spending money can not be equal to, and has to be decoupoled from, the function of issuing money.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: just to make it absolutely clear, i don't see a long-term future for satoshi's turd. all of my work on trb is to be regarded in same light as the neutron-absorbing armour on 1970s sov tanks -- something with which to prolong the life of the crew ~slightly~ so that it can drive over freshly-nuked ground and last a few hours of shootout.
mircea_popescu: please don't tell me you aim to reimplement jfs in btc ;/ way the fuck cheaper to just use one.
mircea_popescu: us and mexico both aimed to supplant the silver standard coin of china.
asciilifeform: (i.e. 'these writes don't count until X is also written')
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the piece needn't be found as such. a large portion of the us-mexico conflict of the 1980s was over silver. which was good money in china.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is the dirty reads. if you queue the writes what do you do with the reads ?
asciilifeform: (speaking of proofofwork -- iirc szabo had a lulzy piece about two tribes of northwest-american indians who traded sea shells that were too abundant in each tribe's section of the coast to use as proofofwork, to the other, where they were usable )
asciilifeform: there are two known solutions to 'allcomers problem' -- proof-of-work; and limited-access (wotronic). tertium ~probably~ non datur.
asciilifeform: needless to say this would be riotously bad idea if pools remain possible (they must - protocolically - die.)
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 23:22 mircea_popescu: basically nodes are the digital equivalent of women : men fuck them so the state can have babies. hurr durr, pill plox.
asciilifeform: ( one possible way to cut the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-25#1618589 knot -- ~everybody~ is a txer, miner, and node )
a111: Logged on 2015-02-14 17:42 mircea_popescu: unrelated datapoints. half energy available \being used to mine bitcoin makes bitcoin safe for humans (safe in the sense of, won't be overrun by the altcoin problem)
asciilifeform: to revisit much further upstack, to http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-14#1018732 ( via mircea_popescu's latest article ) -- consider a 'trb-i' where a tx carries proof of work, and is likewise mined as is the block
asciilifeform: to revisit upstack: mircea_popescu can you think of any reason not to queue the writes ?
mircea_popescu: and in a few years they'd be happy to have one random middle class indian shot in kansas. and so on. "the general public" fills the available crevices, no more.
mircea_popescu: "radicalized" progressives ? hurr durr. they'd be HAPPY to have reaganomics now.
mircea_popescu: aha. suddenly they would swallow any dick, just as long as it's not trump.
asciilifeform: look who they dusted off.
mircea_popescu: yeah the 20% figure is more of a sort of "ideal case" ; it can climb to 50% or more like that ^
asciilifeform: in other lulz, we still see 'ProcessBlock (res == 1) took : 673809ms; db write wait: 397971ms; db read wait: 64890ms' (block 454992) and 'ProcessBlock (res == 1) took : 456196ms; db write wait: 179701ms; db read wait: 16621ms' (454993) . enemy's strategy is quite trivial, thrash the cache.
mircea_popescu: but no, it's exactly like the charter of a Совет Экономической Взаимопомощи.
mircea_popescu: there is, of course, http://cache.olympusamerica.com/static/msg_section/documents/2016/Anti-Kickback-Statute---OCA-Deferred-Prosecution-Agreement---Fully-Executed.pdf
mircea_popescu: they don't really exist, unless you're a part of the japanese national wot, which...
asciilifeform: ( how did the d00d siphon moneys to usg ? how was this later turned into 'whistleblow' ? )
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 12:30 mircea_popescu: (story there was, olympus "hired" aka finally accepted its first foreign devil ceo (michael woodford) in 2011 ; and fired him two weeks later as the dude was principally dedicated to the job of, how can we finance usg out of this japanese corp. the usg however didn't go home, but started "legal proceedings", which eventually resulted in the above theft, plus whatever office supplies woodford managed to take home. apparently 6
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1619009 << i'd much like to hear the details of this, if they exist somewhere. because the Official version makes 0 sense
asciilifeform: (i really oughta say 'verify and save', rather than verify)
asciilifeform: however the one solid clue i have so far is 'disk' -- on the ssd box, a block packed to the bursting point with liquishit, takes ~15 seconds to verify. max.
asciilifeform: gprof is the divinely ordained proper way to do this. however will need a bad old dynamic linking build. so will take some work.
mircea_popescu: because then we could compare something meaningful : the relative compositions of the non-cache waste.
mircea_popescu: finding what makes the remainder, however, very valuable.
asciilifeform: it isn't clear to me, that it does. the typical verification time is ~same
asciilifeform: the unfortunate bit is that i do not have 2 identical boxes to run the cache/no-cache variant on, in parallel
asciilifeform: often much less, when we have the 4GB cache
mircea_popescu: seems the db write/read wait counts for ~20% of total time ?
asciilifeform: in other noose, http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/with_cache.txt << the cache thing, to current time
mircea_popescu: phf i am not surprised, it's pretty jarring as far as these get.
mircea_popescu: "this is what subhuman females look like in their natural habitat, the jungle". wtf, europe went to congo to fix this, not to normalize it.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 13:18 mircea_popescu: and in other brown-shirts-with-gray-trim news, https://qz.com/919678/srinivas-kuchibhotla-muder-the-infuriating-silence-of-donald-trump-over-an-indian-engineers-murder-in-kansas/
mircea_popescu: why the fuck is holywood half-black and all fatty, and how the fuck does it expect to hang on to any kind of relevancy in this manner ? bollywood has better women.
mircea_popescu: https://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/ap_17058207841866-e1488176685278.jpg << holy shit look at that, every single one of them IS FUCKING FAT omfg wtf.
mircea_popescu: and in other brown-shirts-with-gray-trim news, https://qz.com/919678/srinivas-kuchibhotla-muder-the-infuriating-silence-of-donald-trump-over-an-indian-engineers-murder-in-kansas/
mircea_popescu: (story there was, olympus "hired" aka finally accepted its first foreign devil ceo (michael woodford) in 2011 ; and fired him two weeks later as the dude was principally dedicated to the job of, how can we finance usg out of this japanese corp. the usg however didn't go home, but started "legal proceedings", which eventually resulted in the above theft, plus whatever office supplies woodford managed to take home. apparently 6
mircea_popescu: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL4N1FU2BY?type=companyNews << and, obviously, their interlocking bank is ditching them.
mircea_popescu: dude, they fucking gutted them. olympus agreed to pay the usg ~70 billion yen in fines, and install obama's children as an "independent outside monitor". whole corp market cap being you know, 1.3trn or some shit. who the fuck pays 5% of the market cap as a fine already, what is this, Совет Экономической Взаимопомощи ?
mircea_popescu: "As you may be aware, Olympus Corporation of the Americas (OCA) recently entered into civil, criminal, and administrative settlements with the United States in connection with the sales and marketing of certain OCA products. This letter provides you with additional information about the settlements, explains OCAs commitments going forward, and provides you with access to information about those commitments."
mircea_popescu: trinque if it helps, the last that i see on the path to you is 38.104.87.131 (joe's datacenter). 104.192.170.197 is also allocated to them. 138.107.206.73 however does not, it's "olympus corporation" of kiminobu eto, takuro watabe & toru yamaki whatever japanese company. why's that in there.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 02:58 trinque: ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VcIWx/?raw=true << behold the wtf
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-27#1618983 << it must be a bit of an ego boost when one's like... shown things, on a service which has their name in the url lel.
mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000256.html << interesting alf, thanks for posting.
trinque: I have no idea, really, which is always the worst answer
trinque: eh the test.test.local was just me leaving turds in /etc/hosts
trinque: same routing table upon reboot, so I guess it's normal for their network
trinque: they're attached again.
trinque: I'm into the box; give me a while to actually figure out what happened
ben_vulpes: didn't see the final part
trinque: well the bot's gone; how would that work
trinque: host already emailed me back; they're superb
trinque: possible the host fucked up inbound routing
trinque: which is on the same box.
trinque: I'm obviously going to tell them *not* to reboot
asciilifeform: trinque: do they have remote-kvm ?
trinque: I'm checking in with the host
trinque: PSA that as of now I cannot access the box hosting deedbot via SSH.
asciilifeform: i'dvethunk they'dve been danced out by nao
shinohai: And yes, they are all dancing in the street for nickels now their meme coin is basically no moar
mircea_popescu: well, not really actual anything, that'd take actual existence. more in the vein of http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/#selection-265.0-265
mircea_popescu: i think it's more in the vein of out and out pederasty.
asciilifeform: what else to do, the original lure of vacuuming up coin is , i picture, ~gone by now
mircea_popescu: it's been dead for about a year or so, but anyway, "oh i know, i'll make yet another fake wot website. because i'm a jew and we're fucking stupid congenitally." or some shit.
asciilifeform: ( i would try a larger cache, but 4GB is the idiot hardcoded max in bdb , they used a 32bit width )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 40-80 secs. verifications are still 15x slower than on zoolag (ssd box). i wonder, possibly , if the remaining delay still consists of disk -- but of block fetches, rather than tx index.
asciilifeform: ^ very puzzling result, and now finally similar to mircea_popescu's 'disk and Other Factors'
mircea_popescu: anyway, no the ramdisk thing doesn't work indefinitely, soon enough the block index will exceed the commodously available ram
asciilifeform: it is the kind of thinking that gave us prb. as mircea_popescu described earlier today.
jurov: i don't get why that bothers you so much
jurov: looky, i am just saying that right now it eats, say, a minute per block, which is 144 minute unreachability daily anyway. and am proposing short term tradeoff of having the unreachability shorted once per day.
asciilifeform: i already once built a system where the reward for enemy for unplugging seeped into days, weeks, then months of lost cpu time. until the unplugging became an inevitable thing. never again.
asciilifeform: then what will jurov say -- 'oh, no prob, just sync weekly' ??!@
asciilifeform: the tx index ain't ever getting ~smaller~.
jurov: if enemy can cause 1TB of incrememntal data daily, then we failed miserably
asciilifeform: or what, martians will land by then, and give us for free 1TB/sec 1PB disks ?
asciilifeform: also daily backup then ?