mircea_popescu: amusingly, in an earlier, simpler time of "men inhabit bare stone dugouts together", the ability to not stink without washing was regarded as about half of what made monk a candiate for sainthood.
a111: 2017-02-17 <mthreat> people who don't shower in jail/prison are called 'vikings', or another name in Spanish which I forget. There is peer pressure to not stink in there.
mircea_popescu: (not inept soviet foreign minister, for the innocent)
mircea_popescu: poor gromyko. he's like in half the jokes isn't he.
asciilifeform: let the 'furnitures' in, out.
asciilifeform: she : 'whaddayamean, passports, they are my slaves'
asciilifeform: then it turns out , little problem : not all of the gurlz in said household, have passports
mircea_popescu: and in other hieroglyph lulz, me at travel agent, buying tickets. calls girl, "send so and so email a picture". beet red travel agent. "you know... i needed a copy of the passport". "what did you get ?" > nudegirl.jpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wonder why they even bother spelling that shit out by now, truly should just have pictorgraphs.
Framedragger: ...and all this is exposed to ecdsa and the particular parameters (secp256k1) not breaking... ouch.
mircea_popescu: anyway, and hence http://trilema.com/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/ and all the other countless mallets to the head of the agents of usgistan.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what people think, but from eg mpoe-pr's experience, it'll be something shockingly stupid and in all the joins nonsequiturial.
mircea_popescu: -293.0-292.1 ie, mp "who is not truly a billionaire because reasons" is more than willing to sacrifice tens of thousands of the coins.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-14 15:11 asciilifeform: and 'dead bitcoin', esp. if it dies on enemy's terms, would imho be a technogenic catastrophe, quite comparable to, e.g., chernobyl. ( not for mircea_popescu 'i'm rich anyway, fuck everyone' , and not for other folx, who might not even have any; but for the concept of 'gold sans the guard labour')
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626921 << yes. there's absolutely no argument that bitcoin dying on the enemy's terms would be an unmitigated catastrophe. chernobyl pales in comparison, it'd be on the level of "wheel is useless anyway" wisdom of dropped-on-head amerindians, or "oh pretty, spinning wheels" greek steam engine. utterly catastrophic. which is why eg http://trilema.com/2013/mpoe-march-2013-statement/#selection
asciilifeform: and the number of weaknesses carried over from bitcoin oughta be zero.
mircea_popescu: which, considering the sad confluence of not dumb people who (self servingly, and shamelessly), "think" bitcoin code is perfect (hey, alpha dun wanna be bothered, yes ?) and imbeciles who "are being like suparheoes power rangers"... is a virtual certainty.
mircea_popescu: sort-of how the bare-under-raincoat sexual behaviour is not common in men who get sucked off whenever they feel like.
asciilifeform: there is space in botnetdom between 'garage' and 'rayon plant'.
mircea_popescu: wich is why rayon plant isn't engaged in the practice of "see kids, organic chemistry!" experiments
a111: Logged on 2017-03-14 14:54 asciilifeform: this went on for, iirc, a year or so, then got tired.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu -- that the slug reinflates !11
mircea_popescu: because every empire ever is backed by the trade in flesh, and well... the former pays in flesh. the latter - in scrip.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu tends to approach from the (very practical) angle of 'cutting heads here and now', asciilifeform tends to approach from angle of 'how to permanently salt the slug'
mircea_popescu: average gauleiter actually gains more from secretaries NOT HAVING ink ribbons so they can't do their job than from their HAVING ink ribbons and doing their job.
mircea_popescu: irl, the relative gain from "lording it over" the "lower" limbs that need tools to do their job is often more significant than the gain to the decident of the actual correct usage.
mircea_popescu: it is a tempting naivism to imagine the empire as a sort of frictionless monster, in which every limb gets full and impeded access to any tool it needs whenever it needs it. this however is not how any empire works irl.
mircea_popescu: sure there is. but, not for garden variety gnome, not for free, etc.
Framedragger: luckily there's no conceivable way to forge "source ip" field in headers :p
a111: Logged on 2017-03-14 14:36 asciilifeform: ( but to make alt-udp you gotta patch the kernel. )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626858 << we already gotta patch the kernel to FUCKGOATS.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-14 14:07 Framedragger: mircea_popescu: re. blackholing and to be alf-pessimistic for a second, node is exposed to risk of being blackholed as long as it uses TCP; because not only can enemy make it read packets (unavoidable in the end it seems), but there may be ways to making it send packets back.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626842 << of course there is. deny from all allow from this list.
asciilifeform: perhaps they forgot to pay for the coordinates-not-relayed-to-pirates-in-realtime service.
ben_vulpes: i figured the boats were under constant optical satellite tracking, perhaps these schmucks weren't paying for it? http://gcaptain.com/bunker-tanker-hijacked-off-somalia/
asciilifeform: interestingly, when he did interactive ssh minus the tunnel, he did get the 'OK' prompt
Framedragger: then i retract my previous snappy remark. ssh lol.
Framedragger: okay then. :(
asciilifeform: and no, no connection, it dies in the manner described
Framedragger: some suggest to try with stock openssh server, to see if same happens. anyway, curious if sshd_config on your end has custom knobs (e.g. prefers one crypto format over another), but i guess the whole thing's a timesink
asciilifeform: 'no, increase the mtu!'
asciilifeform: 'reduce the mtu on your nic!'
asciilifeform: and all permissions set correctly, key sitting right next to the others (that work), etc.
Framedragger: tbh that log snippet in that post (http://trilema.com/2017/how-i-almost-created-a-constellation-of-bitcoin-nodes/), "evidently new ssh is needed altogether" reads a bit like "oh i need to generate ssh key for this to work? well fuck ssh, obvs it's a pos."
asciilifeform: this imho is why there is moar at stake than only a mechanized hawalatron.
asciilifeform: i suspect that 'greybeard' holdouts, taleb et al, who 'bitcoin is a fad, will go into the sands of time, snoar' are on a sound logical footing, 'every OTHER attempt to combat massed stupidity has ultimately fallen, nuked by OurDemocracy, and the more brazen the assault, the quicker'
Framedragger: then again, it'd be a more powerful filter to deter stupid people.
asciilifeform: it is in the empowered whinerism.
asciilifeform: it could quite easily go to where the lisp machine went.
asciilifeform: and 'dead bitcoin', esp. if it dies on enemy's terms, would imho be a technogenic catastrophe, quite comparable to, e.g., chernobyl. ( not for mircea_popescu 'i'm rich anyway, fuck everyone' , and not for other folx, who might not even have any; but for the concept of 'gold sans the guard labour')
asciilifeform: Framedragger: at the risk of repeating old thread : there is no way to 'replace bitcoin with trbi'. it isn't a thing that can be done.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 13:38 asciilifeform: to wind it up, the casks algo is asciilifeform's attempt at the 'high vacuum pump' from earlier -- to get the max possible removal of something-to-allcomers element , to the extent possible without running an entirely closed wotronic system (and consequently turning into visa or swift)
Framedragger: ..which means that the latter should be dropped eventually, i guess (but then cue my question 'why not just work on trb-i if no compatibility with heathen prb network')
asciilifeform: (and on the edges of the graph, you're stuck talking to heathens unless mining were somehow brought into the fold)
Framedragger: i think it makes sense, thinking of the future, to eventually move to a model where there is no 'public trb node ip list'.
asciilifeform: at any given time, a few of these are ddosed.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: btw regarding bitcoin, sure re. 1000 machines but if/when there's only 15 or however many trb nodes....
Framedragger: heh that's why for logging i proposed http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/irc_logging.txt which includes some 'hidden' nodes. but, fleanode and irc are leaky and the whole 'cloaking' thing is snakeoil.
asciilifeform: ( it is, for instance, impractical to ddos -- at least in the usual packet flood sense - 1,000 machines. or it would be the preferred form of attack against bitcoin, which it is not )
asciilifeform: if instead your box is an octopus of ip, and none of the clients have any business knowing ~all~ of the tentacles, the concept dissolves.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: ddos as a concept relies on something having a 'the ip'
Framedragger: aha, good stuff, i guess the point is that this kind of ddos is *easy*.
asciilifeform: this went on for, iirc, a year or so, then got tired.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: in the old #bitcoin-assets days, there was a bot, that idled under (afaik still unknown) names, and would target ddostron (used vulnerable konsoomer router 'upnp' for udp amplification) at anyone who logged in without using fleanode's 'cloak' feature (i.e. had visible ip).
asciilifeform: BUT you in many cases ~do~ know that a given packet could not have originated from the supposed return addr.
Framedragger: well if you're the first hop..
asciilifeform: if rejecting udp spamola -- then != udp's. etc
asciilifeform: if masquerading as, e.g., dns crapola, becomes important, then can set udp's
Framedragger: also, ip packets with custom proto number would (1) stand out more easily to enemy, and could be more easily filtered out (vs. udp header with rng-data within) - see how chinese firewall blocked tor bridges etc etc; and (2) i'm sure quite a few appliances would filter them out by default (like how they filter out icmp, etc.)
asciilifeform: if i did, i'd stuff whole thing into the kernel.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: this is the raw device thread again, isnnit.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: can you not use raw sockets (with some kind of linux cap to allow program to open them without root), defining udp-like struct within? (i'm sure performance tuning may not be easy, i mean to achieve same level of optimisation as in kernel stack)
asciilifeform: ( but to make alt-udp you gotta patch the kernel. )
asciilifeform: nothing is reserved per-packet other than the buffer where you put it (which is normally the same buffer for each incoming packet)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: on just about any reasonable unixlike, you can receive udp at the rate your nic can dish'em out
Framedragger: asciilifeform: hm, sure. (and i forgot about arbitrary RSTs by anyone in the path which destroy the session, heh.) do you know how the resource allocation compares to udp in a typical (say, linux kernel) networking stack?
asciilifeform: ( you gotta reserve memory, for state, and cpu cycles to handle the socket )
asciilifeform: Framedragger: the problem with tcp isn't simply that enemy can insert an RST packet and make you blame your peer. (and whitelists do 0 against this.) but that it is very expensive , computationally, long before you have any idea who you're talking to.
Framedragger: (this is just to juxtapose topics of trb and gossipd for a second and to maybe show why some folks really like the lighthouse idea) :)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: re. blackholing and to be alf-pessimistic for a second, node is exposed to risk of being blackholed as long as it uses TCP; because not only can enemy make it read packets (unavoidable in the end it seems), but there may be ways to making it send packets back.
asciilifeform: not so many of these.
mircea_popescu: heh <li> rather than </li>
mircea_popescu: eh, im sure there's 500
asciilifeform: in other lulz, guess wat mircea_popescu , meet usg's vapourware uci ! : https://golem.network
mircea_popescu: and in other news, anyone with a background in sales who's damned good at it want a job ?
a111: Logged on 2017-03-03 17:25 asciilifeform: ( https://blockchain.info/tx/5da9e054f81716ff54fefa10fae3c025685faf5170d1b270b3384a3406d781e0 << typical example of tx spamola, in recent few blox. and yes i'd rather link to mimisbrunnr but it does not seem to have linkable tx knob presently. )
mod6: so either user creates ~/trb-deps and then pulls all .asc's from deedbot manually in offline mode. or makefile creates ~/trb-deps and pulls .asc files in `make ONLINE=1` mode and dumps files in there.
trinque: makefile would make the dir, maybe ~/trb-deps as default, or w/e
mod6: so yeah, something other than what I did is preferred (at least to me).
mod6: but having it set up as i just did in the above paste is unpressable in current vtronics.
trinque: I tend to have a couple trees pressed right next to each other, when testing a patch, when writing my own
trinque: whole idea is to get them outside the press, so you don't have to copy them in each time you press
trinque: could do the same for deps path, provide some default, and if you want something else:
trinque: this is the kind of thing I provided defaults for, like what your copy of your checksum proggie is
mod6: this would leave, for instance, a 'trb' output press directory along side of the above stated dirs. of which, all that would be contained in there is a bitcoin directory, and the underlying 'src' directory.
mod6: so that'll be the next thing to take a look at.
mod6: problem will be with pressing and a vpatch. press wants to put everything underneath of the given press directory. not place contents adjacent to a press directory.
mod6: interestingly, i just tried moving 'bin', 'deps', and 'build' and all of their makefiles + a few small tweaks up ../../.. and was able to build.
mod6: the harder part is trying to move 'deps' ..//..
mod6: there would be nothing to denote any said changes in a pressed directory.
mircea_popescu: i mean, wtf would it be, how'd he know what of his changes were kept in the first place
mircea_popescu: he wouldn't keep them in any case
mod6: yeah, im maybe considering the bad-form-case where someone modifies the source of a pressed directory, forgets about his changes, comes back 12 years later, then re-presses over said changes, now lost.
ben_vulpes: what would the point be? destroys press integrity.
mod6: blowing away someones dir without notice seems like the wrong approach, no matter how clean it might seem.
ben_vulpes: seems the cleanest, least error prone thing to do.
ben_vulpes: i'd rather it were transparently idempotent.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> i suppose alternatively could just say DO NOT PRESS TWICE! DELETE DIR BETWEEN PRESSES. << agree. there obviously needs to be a check in there - if the press directory already exists, warn the user and stop.
mod6: but I think now that we have the outside makefiles integrated and working well, maybe we can prune out those dirs and create them as needed? certainly worth looking into. certainly would be nice to get rid of those things finally
a111: Logged on 2015-07-19 22:04 mod6: <+phf> ben_vulpes: because makefile.unix expects them, (search for obj/nogui/%.o: %.cpp, etc.) << ben_vulpes yeah this stuff
mod6: (and by bitcoin makefile, this meant 'makefile.unix' in the src directory)
a111: Logged on 2015-09-24 00:25 mod6: <+phf> shinohai: you probably have rm_gitignore.patch applied, which removes .gitignore files from src/obj/nogui and nukes the folders along the way? << i said to disregard this patch. reason is, it wipes out output dirs required by the bitcoin makefile.
mod6: Well, there are a bunch of references...
mod6: long ago, we all talked about this. and perhaps it is time to prune these directories. but at the time, it was decided to leave them as-is
mircea_popescu: mod6 consider patching .gitignore out altogether next release, not like it's used
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i could make that read 5k by pushing a switch. idiots have nfi, counting all the ips you feel like exposing.
mod6: <mircea_popescu> list of items for mod6's convenience : 1) nice job! 2) successive presses overfil .gitignore and possibly other files 3) deps directory should prolly be same level as patches and .seals<< sorry you encountered some issues on 2nd press. Thanks for your comments. Duly noted.
pete_dushenski: though i'm entirely open to the criticism that it's like sprinkling holy water on a dented can in the hopes that clostridium botulinum feels the wrath of my gods
pete_dushenski: open q : anyone tried this (or other) intel me 'cleaner' ? https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner/wiki/How-does-it-work%3F
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/fake-news-are-just-one-tail-of-the-failed-female-state/ << Trilema - Fake news are just one tail of the failed female state
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski seems likely he imagines medium, twitter and the rest of the "im an unemployable but fuckable ditz here's my rider" fare.
pete_dushenski: off to see the wizard. bbl.
pete_dushenski: anyways Framedragger, i don't read nassim's use of 'social network' to refer to the zuckermovie or anything of the sort. he's naive but not ignorant enough to miss filtering effects. he'd doubtless include irc and pgpgrams in the category of mandarin-disrupting two-way comms. but i agree that his point is obscured by loose language.
pete_dushenski: taleb's old enough that he still clearly maintains much of the 'information superhighway' idealism about the internet
Framedragger: *of course*. i'm not completely certain that he meant the latter (i guess he did?) and if he did, whether what he described is actually the case ("actual social networks are used as source of info again!1" - maybe?)
ben_vulpes: the lifespan and relevancy of facebook or any other webapp pales in comparison to the power of actual social networks
Framedragger: that it predicts you will click on. a lot of that reduces to "things i agree with", which is not at all bazaar-like, iiut. unless he meant "people recognising fake news for what it is, and physical word-of-mouth becoming a tool again." the latter does not imply facebook, but still sounds much too naive to my ear, but i dunno.
Framedragger: markets and souks, there is a long term advantage to being dependable." << if he's saying what i think he's saying (social networks work again!1 people use them to understand things!1) then he's beyond naive, as the modern 'social network' is nothing like that of a bazaar. the former is ~basically facebook which on top of being...facebook, selectively filters and presents "your friends' stories"
Framedragger: hmm. "The period of time that corresponds to the reliance on one-sided accounts such as television and newspapers, which can be controlled by the mandarins, lasted from the middle of the twentieth century until the U.S. elections of 2016. In that sense, social networks, allowing a two-way flow of information, put back the mechanism of tidings in its natural format. As with participants in
Framedragger: lol guardian strikes again pete_dushenski "Even then someone at The Guardian tried (unsuccessfully) to tone down my letter by showing that it was some type of *disagreement* with what *I* said, not a correction of their misrepresentation"
pete_dushenski: that reminds me, latest taleb https://medium.com/incerto/the-facts-are-true-the-news-is-fake-5bf98104cea2#.kw8rmx5h7
pete_dushenski: in other boaring news, http://www.reuters.com/video/2017/03/09/fukushima-hit-towns-scramble-to-clear-ou?videoId=371268563
pete_dushenski: just a few offerings to buy the domain name 'bitcoinpet.com'!
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Quite a few times when you tried to email qntra submissions they were buried in spam que
a111: Logged on 2017-02-02 01:08 asciilifeform: http://unzip-ada.sourceforge.net/za_html/index.htm << astonishingly readable literate-programming d00d. and he has a bunch of these.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-02#1610852 << shot this dude (gautier de montmollin) an email last week and actually heard back from him. he said he was flattered at the invite but was under the assumption that 'bitcoin code was already perfect'. now seeing if i can wrangle him into channel for a visit. updates forthcoming.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Mike Pence to CPAC: 'This is our time ' - Washington Times: <http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/23/mike-pence-cpac-our-time/>; Pence takes victory lap at CPAC: 'This is our time ' | TheHill: <http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/320945-victorious-pence-at-cpac-this-is-our-time>; Mike Pence to CPAC: 'This Is Our Time ' - Newsmax.com: (1 more message)
pete_dushenski: it's the maga fuel so it must be worth something, at least more than spam ads and search rankings
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/03/ceo-marissa-mayer-out-at-yahoo-as-verizon-to-rebrand-the-thing-to-altaba/ << Qntra - CEO Marissa Mayer Out At Yahoo As Verizon To Rebrand The Thing To Altaba
asciilifeform: 'A woman has posted video of herself pointedly questioning White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer while he was out shopping at a local Apple store. ... Chauhan asks Spicer how it feels to work for “a fascist” and “what can you tell me about Russia.” Spicer smiles through the encounter and repeatedly says “thank you” to Chauhan. At one point, he tells her, “such a great country that
mircea_popescu: anyway, totally on my list of people to visit later and piss on the shoes on.
mircea_popescu: "there's proof online that it once happened".
mircea_popescu: maybe that, but the secret of that is that you'd have to be a stupid as a 20yo "didn't like math" girl to imagine that is something to do.
BingoBoingo: And it's not like his "self" is charismatic enough for the community organizing scam either
mircea_popescu: there's a signfiicant difference between "actually has a profession" and "goes around trying to bully people with threats from his underworld connections"
mircea_popescu: o shit, i didn't put the quotes in. blerg.
asciilifeform: when you run bitcoind (both demonized and the commandline rpc)
asciilifeform: gotta have the LC_ALL="C" prefix
mircea_popescu: screen -x results in a hanged terminal, ctrl-c does nothing, supposedlt active terminals won'\t spawn windows etc. box is otherwise fine though. fucking linux,.
mircea_popescu: nah, it's the box that produced that debug log last week
asciilifeform: so this'll test the sync-from-0
asciilifeform: btw i assume this is a brand-new box, there is no blockchain on it
asciilifeform: (everybody gets the same 1)
asciilifeform: and the ip is dulap's
mircea_popescu: also, architecture-wise : i plan to get my boxes in a ring, and link 1 of you fellows to each. unless objections to the arrangement.
asciilifeform: if i had a ticket to the mythical planet where programmers aren't retarded and 'the shame of poverty' is not smelled, we would not even be having the trb conversation.
asciilifeform: trinque: don't put wire-trb on your icbm-controller box. the skull is there for a reason.
trinque: your whole planet being poor does not erase the shame of poverty
ben_vulpes: but the pseudo-useful key generator is /cryptographically secure/ mircea_popescu, i don't know what you're complaining about
mircea_popescu: ok, so now with the built trb with ssh patch...
asciilifeform: ( re the recipe : 'autossh' is a c proggy, from heathendom, i have not audited it. this is one of the reasons for the skull'n'crossbones. there is a similar utility called 'RSTunnel' that consists solely of bash script. but i have not tested it . )
asciilifeform: true, it opens you up to 'hm which one do i have on THIS box' etc. which is why i like to keep the buildtron on each.
asciilifeform: there's nothing promisetronic re copying a static bin that you built ~yourself~ to >1 box. (for one thing, it demonstrates that it is genuinely static and will run on heterogeneous boxen.) but you can do it either way.
mircea_popescu: half the point of the original effort that started this whole thing was to avoid just that bad habit
asciilifeform also likes to keep the whole orchestra on his nodez
asciilifeform: then you can. (and for bonus point, compare the binaries, they oughta be exactly same)
mircea_popescu: i guess this'd be it. i intend to rebuild on all of them.
asciilifeform: (and on any other box that will be a wire slave)
asciilifeform: (at the risk of pedantry) first put the newly-build 'bitcoind' binary, on the box that will become the first slave.
asciilifeform: now can proceed to the recipe itself
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !~later tell mod6 list of items for mod6's convenience : 1) nice job! 2) successive presses overfill .gitignore and possibly other files 3) deps directory should prolly be same level as patches and .seals
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf i was thinking' of buying that 'ivory' and making a signal interposer . any idea whether the magic cpu was soldered down, or LIF socketed..?
mircea_popescu: stop squirming and don't make trusting noobs rm-rf-nuke the wrong things!
asciilifeform: anyway it's entirely a timesaving measure, you entirely can load them from somebody else each time, the thing won't proceed unless the hashes match
mircea_popescu: yes, and they are frozen forever in the place online=1 sucks them from. so this part is correct, and needs no fucking fixing.
mircea_popescu: this is not lazy, this is sane. not every slant of roof gets a tower, because things aren't all equal, and something must be the bottom.
asciilifeform: and you aint backing up 'this box' but the trb deps. that got frozen 4evah.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'lazy man does the work twice' or how did it go
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understant : not everyone treats the boxes like his mother. i am of the people who treat them like his socks. no fucking way am i going to backup this. let the box suck it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: once you have the contents of 'deps' again, i recommend to back it up to another dir, and to burn a cd, those turds ain't ever changing -- there will only get ~fewer~ (when we ditch, e.g., bdb)
asciilifeform: so cd to it and then 'make'.
asciilifeform: the makefile is inside 'bitcoin' dir
asciilifeform: and then run make
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: now all you gotta do is to move the subdir 'bitcoin' inside this 'trbfoo' to replace the 'bitcoin' dir in trb54
mircea_popescu: so that out of the way,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: looks like this worked. confirmed that mod6's vtron doesn't check for file-exists, appends. (i won't even blame him, as such, this is the default idiot behaviour of gnudiff !)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you pasted the .gitignore from inside the resulting dir 'trbfoo' ? make sure this was so ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if you press to the makefiles head do you get a concatenation as well?
asciilifeform: is that what came out of the new press also !
mircea_popescu: well it's what's in there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu that looks like the doubled-up one
asciilifeform: ( if you examine bitcoinrpc.cpp, you will see the wire option , for instance )
asciilifeform: should looks like the expected one.
mircea_popescu: let's now examine the .gitinfo
asciilifeform: it should make the dir and press to it
asciilifeform: ( there'dve been nothing to build, if it had not pressed )
asciilifeform: it had to , for the build to proceed
asciilifeform: nope, remember, you built the binary
asciilifeform: and then press again.
asciilifeform: it happened on the 2nd press attempt
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you also might have other filed doubled up because mod6's vtron did append instead of create somewhere, it looks like
mircea_popescu: yeah but it has to be teh correct file then :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fact i can't actually patch it out as it won't match the correct file huh, it does line by line removal
mircea_popescu: which is of course bound to hit the situation where we have no proper treatment of file removal in vtron because old horrors.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile /me will go research how to write a patch to take out .gitignore altogether.
asciilifeform: in the meantime can try using asciilifeform's original vtron
asciilifeform: it can, but that doesn't fix whatever resulted in it being appended to itself during the press
asciilifeform: your copy of this turd (quite unnecessary in trb, in fact, but that's besides the point, we inherited it in genesis) consists of the original concatenated to itself !
mircea_popescu: yeah that's where they went.
asciilifeform: now they go in patches and seals, respectively ;
mircea_popescu: yeah. and it musls all the way, it's a total collossus of german engineering.
a111: Logged on 2015-12-21 23:38 mircea_popescu: trinque mind dpasting your fixed version then ?
trinque: only for curiousity's sake. it certainly isn't worth using over what's in the V tree.
trinque: I don't even remember what the shell script would've been. Probably some stab earlier at what became the makefiles
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-13#1626396 << http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000190.html << I wrote the first cut of those too.
mircea_popescu: you know, like the british empire in india.
mircea_popescu: i'm as you well know the least intelligent or technically apt person here, and it takes a significant amount of backroom dealing as well as outright bribery to even get you lot to tolerate my presence.
asciilifeform: ( you have a .wot, .seals, .patches, these can be named something else, but these are their conventional names; out of these, vtron 'presses' a particular tree that you want.)
mircea_popescu: and the need to backtrack is generally mentor-induced, mind.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so the defensive play is to provide both.
asciilifeform: ty phf . but it was not clear to me what piece mircea_popescu had the problem with, was it where to get the patch, or where to put it.