mircea_popescu: trinque predictably, that objection runs into the son of god doctrine. dood also went to hell, and crashed the gates.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes laugh if you will but the issue is not entirely uninteresting... working on marriage for eulora. though there - one will only be able top marry npcs. even if they start as pcs - fine method for a player to suicide an avatar, this.
trinque: thought jesus was supposed to have hung out with whores and so on, wasn't apparently befouled by the act
mircea_popescu: wait, so they actually befouling land and country you want to punish only if they do it in your sight ; but the fuckers you want to punish in principle ?
mircea_popescu: why do you care enough about what other people do to want to kill them anyway. you mean like, adulterers you find in your own closet ?
mircea_popescu: in other utter lulz : Books by Proust, Marcel (sorted by popularity) Swann's Way Marcel Proust 1002 downloads ; Du côté de chez Swann (French) Marcel Proust 400 downloads ; A l'ombre des jeunes filles en fleurs - Première partie (French) Marcel Proust 97 downloads ; Sodome et Gomorrhe - Première partie (French) Marcel Proust 71 downloads ; A l'ombre des jeunes filles en fleurs Troisième partie (French) Marcel Pro
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron the overarching concern isn't so much what to do about x as what to do so all the fanciule don't start pressuring them out of society.
mircea_popescu: it may even be the original driver of language, the old women's need to do something aboutthe young sluts.
trinque: theirs stopped working!
mircea_popescu: perhaps because you've never had it. but from experience, being the judge of a troop of idiots is the worst fucking horror of a turd to fall on your head. and this holds even if you have life and death powers and the ability to construct the law andf its application however you wish through simple declaration.
mircea_popescu: i guess ? no good way to apply the eyepoppingly socialist db model to the fundamentally republican reality of domestic disturbances.
mircea_popescu: but as a general principle of db design : the property is stored with its creator, not with its object.
mircea_popescu: so then we just store your list of signeds.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron what do you do when women start declaring your id ? note that this isn't an idle consideration, but quite the fundamental problem of harem societies. clemens has some notes about it re life in the mormon lands, for instance. it's everywhere.
mircea_popescu: that died at a time orwell was a young man. this dude's murican from the island.
Framedragger: (british, but the point stands...)
mircea_popescu: not the meaning of words, not all, not any ; not the substance of human relations nor the organising of human activity nor anything else.
mircea_popescu: nothing is up for their review.
Framedragger secretly likes the guy's scifi. but, yah, point taken
trinque: I'm not engaging in the sidestepping game with you.
Framedragger: anyway, it's true, not the most interesting piece; was relevant and lulzy enough for me; guess i'm timid
trinque: rejecting something on the basis of politics is entirely reasonable
trinque: the article signs off with a turd about open minds and flexible worldviews and so on
asciilifeform: 'There are a lot of people in the world who actually think like this. This is their for-real, no-joking conception of "marriage". They do not grasp that men and women are interchangeable, as a result of which homosexual marriages create repulsive integrity problems in their heads. "But if they're both guys, which one is the wife? Does not compute!" How sad.'
Framedragger: like, that *the* thing you picked out. great, success
Framedragger: like any other place, this one's got their trigger words, too. careful not to read too much literature in case you segfault, trinque
a111: Logged on 2017-03-15 17:46 trinque always wonders why people want to involve the govt in the thing
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/genetics-proposes-the-environment-disposes/ << Trilema - Genetics proposes, the environment disposes.
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's one of the weirdest things. they mostly did it standing (like, for the record, it's normal!) and yet the expressions all reference the decaying mores of the empire.
mircea_popescu: only if one believes and is wrong while the other doesn't and is right. otherwise... what's the problem, truth prevails eventually.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, why would the woman be a drag in the first place ? old loves dun bother mp any. heck, they're a substantial part of his imperial majesty.
trinque: most basic drive there is, ever present, DO NOT FUCK IT UP EVER NOT ONCE
trinque: sounds more like it causes timidity in the male, than building judgment
mircea_popescu: it'd seem to me that in the continuum between "whenever a man is born a woman is allocated him, soulmate" and "let them be passed around and let the dogs fuck them too, what, it's a muscle. not like they're made of soap" the specific "there's no soulmate but there shouldn't be gynorgies either" spot you select is hard to support in any fundamental way.
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Isaiah 45:7 :: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
mircea_popescu: therefore her marrying you was preordained ?
mircea_popescu: suppose you meet this girl that loves you and get married and then have sex on wedding night and she's allergic to your sperm (this happens, yes), goes into anaphylactic shock an' dies. was this pre-ordained ?
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Matthew 19:6 :: Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
mircea_popescu: suppose you're born and a perfect and ideal bride is destined to you. suppose 15 years later a black immigrant from the arab nation of africa gets her drunk at a party and fucks her. is it now too late for you ?
mircea_popescu: why. maybe they fit better.
mircea_popescu: teh cast away device is immensely valuable : to the loving woman it is truly the bottom, worst possible penalty ; to the unloving a welcome release.
mircea_popescu: no, that stays on the table. let her behave herself.
asciilifeform: bad engineering ALWAYS eventually takes the form of a glue trap, where 'entry costs a buck; exit -- two!'
mircea_popescu: ie, man enjoys a woman specifically ; satoshi wishes to make bitcoin. that's all well and good. then man proceeds to marry her and satoshi proceeds to design a scheme whereby everyhing's suddenly and for no reason o(n).
mircea_popescu: but anyway, my point was that there's actual effectual activity, and then there's the specific sort of pointless makework which self-referentially tends to capture people.
mircea_popescu: well the biblical interpretation is neither clear nor practically relevant, seeing how heathens exist but biblical marriages are necessarily livresque.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform danielpbarron the arrangement a) between one man and one woman which b) presumes to be wilfully entered by both and c) claims to resolve all the possible problems they may encounter is, necessarily, a casette tape.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i was speaking of the varint thing
asciilifeform: but it's enough so as to never know where n+2nd element of a sequence is, without eating the n+1st !
asciilifeform: not even very individual, there are exactly 4 sizes
mircea_popescu: it's basically a hobble. from which we discern satoshi, whether married or not, certainly saw no fundamental problem with marriage as a mental construction / social narrative.
Framedragger: myeah you can't randomly access things in the middle, etc. lol.
asciilifeform: they save ~no space, but effectively prevent you from operating in anything other than O(N)
Framedragger: at first i thought "well for small ints it's just an additional nSize check which is retarted but whatever", but he writes the bytes himself regardless of int size and i'm sure compiler etc. won't be able to optimise much there
asciilifeform: as a result, parsing ANY of the traditional bitcoin serializations, is O(N) operation !
asciilifeform: and yes the tard used variably-sized numerals ( http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/serialize.h?v=makefiles#0193 ) for ~everything !
asciilifeform: Framedragger: not pointers in the c sense, but in effect yes.
asciilifeform: finding a given input or output of a given tx, becomes O(1), theoretically.
asciilifeform: and then likewise same thing is done to blocks.
asciilifeform: so instead of varints, we 'pascalize' the data structure, and have set of indices at the start to each of the components and its length.
asciilifeform: if it isn't obvious : 'fast form' is simply a SANE tabularization, removing the idiot varints
asciilifeform: so to round off the thread: blocks can be stored in 'fast' form, and reconstituted as-needed for transmission to peers; or alternatively, with 2x the disk cost, can be stored in both forms (i prefer the latter, with a background thread that randomly spot-checks the correspondence, which oughta be an iron 1:1 , everywhere )
asciilifeform: i will leave the algo an exercise for readers, who can then see if they came up with same one, after i post mine.
asciilifeform: then you sit for three days and finally realize that never do you need more than 2MB for it.
asciilifeform: it is tremendously painful, at first glance, e.g, 'wanna parse blocks?' 'fine, determine now the maximal space that will EVER be occupied by the process, and put it Right Here Forever'
asciilifeform: i will note that in domains where The Thing Must Work, Motherfuckers, e.g., spacecraft, (traditionally) heaps are forbidden.
asciilifeform: hence the 'wait for locks to expire!' idiocies
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 90% of the retardation of trb is that objects live in heap and are all part of a massive ball of yarn, linked to one another
asciilifeform: Framedragger: nope. ben_vulpes is actually running the churn, on his (working) btctron, i deliberately left it to him
Framedragger: did you already have a chance to check if there are any tx collisions in the 32 bit address scheme? just curious
asciilifeform: Framedragger: i specifically did not, the scripts are left alone, the blocks are verified only in the very limited sense of mechanical format (lengths do not fandango out of buffer limits, etc)
asciilifeform: ^ the other half, the hard half, is largely the actual script execution / cryptolade.
asciilifeform: anybody other than asciilifeform have a working gnat toolchain yet ?
asciilifeform: after it also demonstrates the indexing algo from last week, i'ma vgenesisate it and post.
asciilifeform: in other noose, 'nqb' now eats, parses, blocks and tx, correctly, and HEAPLESSly
mircea_popescu: well, i guess that's a serious reason then
asciilifeform: thing is the size of a grown man's fist, also.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: zoolag, the more reliable of my 2 nodez, has 4GB total !
mircea_popescu: max the cache and that's that.
mircea_popescu: honestly, it should just be a patch. there's no serious reason to allow the usage of trb on tiny boxes
asciilifeform: ( i'd much rather that bdb simply went away. but this may take a while. )
asciilifeform: davout, mircea_popescu : probably the bdb cache thing oughta become a command line knob.
asciilifeform: davout: if you have a box with a ssd ~and~ traditional disks, put the debug log on the traditional
davout: so far it blocks for a while on the 'getinfo' call, but seems to still be up to date
mircea_popescu: yes but if you are then it can't unlive on dev/null
davout: the whole chain?
davout: we'll see how that goes i guess, i was kinda wondering whether i should get a ssd-equipped server anyway
asciilifeform: not the block writing
davout: seems quite curious, it'd intuitively seem like the block would be written in one single pass, and then the db might spend time on reads to connect transactions to their parents, but writes... wtf
asciilifeform: if it weren't for the screaming insanity of bdb, you could theoretically 'elevator algorithm' the disk accesses
davout: yeah i followed all that, didn't realize it was the ~writes~ clogging up everything
asciilifeform: davout: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000255.html and http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000256.html and past 2 wks of logs.
asciilifeform: davout: see logs. it's when the thing grinds to a halt while verifying block, while waiting for 1,000,001 random disk writes to complete
asciilifeform: davout: ideally this would take some other form than everybody hanging off my particular node
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/how-to-be-a-pimp-the-simple-comprehensible-and-exhaustive-guide/ << Trilema - How to be a pimp - the simple, comprehensible and exhaustive guide
mircea_popescu: you get bonus comparison then. not to mention the end product is half notes (i think this is one of the "absolutely hardest to translate that can still be translated" category)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://thewhet.net/2017/feminine-exceptionalism << hanbot ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you remember me translating the "feminine exceptionalism" article recently ? i can't fucking find it but im pretty sure i did
b41e209ccc264812: no particular field. I am interested in general as what might be on your reading lists. Some of the concepts and topics you discuss are very interesting. But sometimes I find myself lacking background information and decided to start from somewhere
b41e209ccc264812: I have been reading your site/blog too, but will for the time being concentrate on trilema. and worke my way from there
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the monkey circus, https://archive.is/ekC3l >> 'responsible disobedience' didjaknow.
mircea_popescu: that was teh problem of the pcus, see, they kept trying to social media at the elite. they should have social media'd at the shrimps.
mircea_popescu: jurov no see the point is for it to clog
mircea_popescu: but lulzy twitter account anyway. http://archive.is/QI0vI/76e3921ab5bdd66b6f2aeec94015e880d514d6dc.jpg <-> http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/ etc.
mircea_popescu: davout somehow the retard's excuse always is "i'm not the only retard btw". which is a shockingly safe bet not to mention kinda begging the question... OF FUCKING COURSE pointless & witless demographically dominate. but somehow this seems novel and refreshing to them.
asciilifeform: ( tx index rather )
asciilifeform: ssd is the only complete pill against this, thus far
asciilifeform: it's exactly like the 'nologin' util ~except~ that it doesn't hang up.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-15 07:51 jurov: re: mircea_popescu 's constellation: since fuckoff.c never reads, it is possible for pipe to get clogged if the other side is sending anything
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-15#1627307 << jurov look how ssh does port forwarding. it doesn't USE the normal shell part for anything. the whole POINT of fuckoff.c is to clog, and work as a 'stopper' for shell access
a111: Logged on 2017-03-15 06:47 davout: is the 'wires' patch still considered useful?
jurov: re: mircea_popescu 's constellation: since fuckoff.c never reads, it is possible for pipe to get clogged if the other side is sending anything
davout: is the 'wires' patch still considered useful?
BingoBoingo: On that note Imma sleep. Good night my fellow butt trusted servants of the Republic
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: who then
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apparently we were not first on the heathenwebz, but first outlet of note.
BingoBoingo still planting it in heathen pits
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am not welcome in that heathen pit
BingoBoingo: For serious. Loving this submissions from other people business.
mircea_popescu: the significant point, of course, being that the female state DOESNT EVEN DARE ADMIT IT. just like working class mom not buying kid shoes because $reasons, rather than because "i was too dumb when i was 20 to not be poor now that i'm 35 and look like 49, honey."
mircea_popescu: some prime rib coming via mail to qntra these days
mod6: There has been an automated test added for this as well.
mod6: Update from yesterday: The necessary change has been made to the forthcoming version of V (99994); if when pressing, the given output directory already exists, it will be removed, then will proceed to press new vtree.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: except it's a fine hashing structure! the bug is not a bug : a block with one or more duped tx is ispo facto invalid (double spend.) and bitcoin has NO business keeping around 'hashes of' or any other part of an INVALID block.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz caer i mean eu is actually splitting up huh.
asciilifeform: 'Once the victim receives this invalid block, they will cache it on disk, attempt to process it, and reject it as invalid. Re-requesting the block will not be even attempted since Bitcoin believes that it already has the block, since it has one with the same hash.'
asciilifeform reviewing vintage 'fixes', e.g., https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=102395 >> mircea_popescu tell me, how the fuck does caching ~invalid~ blox make any sense at all ?
mircea_popescu: (the people pushing for the dissolution of the thing are just as unprincipled, ftr. mostly a coalition of "payday lenders" ie 2nd generation loan sharks.)
mircea_popescu: en) and, lulzily, they came up with a system to "guess" based on reasons (such as zip codes and last names) who is a black applicant for loans, and then fined various usg agencies masquerading as banks by the 100s of millions for these alleged abuses. and they got it too, because settlement culture. and they didn't, of course, pay as much as a dime to the "estimated" victims, they being you know, "estimated" aka hallucinated,
mircea_popescu: pretty fine example of exactly why warren was so vocal (item was strictly a barony created so elizabeth warren could be barron OF SOMETHING). this cfpb item spent 55mn on "renovations" of its hq, ie more than the gsa spent that year on everything the usg owns ; spent immensely on travel (which is not something they do). the chairman is supposed to not be removable by the president except "for cause" (meanwhile that got strick
mircea_popescu: (invented in 2010 among the boatload of dc-insider-centric pork dodd-frank introduced)
mircea_popescu: aaand in other trumpreich, looks like the "consumer financial protection bureau" is going away entirely.
Framedragger: god knows what's happening there
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ^ you can remove that sig_handler definition from fuckoff.c (as well as the signal.h #include) fwiw, as that that code won't ever be executed
Framedragger: asciilifeform: just fyi confirmed that in fuckoff.c, sig_handler() code is redundant as the function is not registered. (adding `signal(SIGHUP, sig_handler);` in main() changes behaviour and fixes this)
trinque: aha, they'll ignore your system root certs because fuck you
asciilifeform: hey ben_vulpes do you have the binary versions of first few blocks handy ?
Framedragger: we missed out on quality butthurt because they have a private safespace channel heh.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes incidentally, ever run into one of those ? they're most common on teh western seaboard.
mircea_popescu: in other lelz, aparently trilema ranks for "the forums of the most serene republic". with the right article, too.
mircea_popescu: why does she lay with every two bit spamsite then ?!
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yer outta teh loop, you're supposed to abstract it with the great framework of jquery, no i mean angular, no i mean backbone, no i mean ember, no i mean react
Framedragger: i personally have a special place in my heart for the static content websites which refuse to render a single legible char without heavy javascript. not that the rendered text is full of glorious content, of course
ben_vulpes: oh OH and then while the little javascripty checkboxes next to the fields of pointlessness show green the ACTUAL POSTBACK VALIDATION FAILS
ben_vulpes: because that's a constant string in the universe
ben_vulpes: > what is the name of your youngest child
pete_dushenski: lol somehow their cousins and cheap friends weren't enough to buoy the whole establishment
pete_dushenski: hfcs trend well underway : "Nobody was predicting what happened in Clarendon in 2016 -- a wave of failures that amounted to a local restaurant die-off. Within the space of a few months, nearly a dozen major restaurants closed their doors, many of them well liked by reviewers and locally popular, some of them fixtures in the neighborhood going back a decade or more."
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the eth recipe is apparently un-fucking-escapeable, no matter what. like the fucking "restaurants" in the us, which WILL be feeding people HFCS no matter the fuck what and how it blows up.
mircea_popescu: the "consumer computing community" functions approximately as a spotty porn offline backup.
asciilifeform: hey pete_dushenski didja actually get the tunnels to work ?
mircea_popescu: eh, it's not his women naked saved there anyway.
asciilifeform: ( rather, than, say, weeping over his freshly formatted hdd )
asciilifeform: well in the sense that it's a non-event, 0day-wise.
mircea_popescu: this is embarqassing, there's nobody there. buncha dorks on eg [marilyn] (~androirc@c-68-37-99-241.hsd1.mi.comcast.net): Android IRC Client wtf.
Framedragger: :D so, if not "thing block", then CRASH (`assert(0)`)? A THOUSAND EYES
asciilifeform: davout: post lulzlog in the end
davout: i'm in their IRC room for lulz, it's absolutely delicious
davout: so apparently "bitcoin unlimited" nodes are sniped off the network by some remote-crash bug
trinque: chilly and sunny here in TX today, been enjoying it on the balcony all day.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well with these things even a mere 20 km can make a huge difference in timing
asciilifeform: sorta why i have the 'nqb' thing going.
mircea_popescu: that's the fucking rule. something scares you ? DO IT NOW! now, that master's here, now thart you're still young and it heals, now, now, NOW.
asciilifeform: sorta the point of trb.
asciilifeform: only if the old one is still operating
a111: Logged on 2017-03-09 20:33 asciilifeform: and incidentally this will also change the semantics of the block-saver, unless somehow kludged around (e.g. via locking)
a111: Logged on 2017-02-22 04:43 asciilifeform: (it'd require, absolutely, removing the locks. which ~unquantifiably alters the semantics of the entire thing.)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-20 19:16 asciilifeform: which potentially changes the semantics of EVERYTHING
a111: Logged on 2014-10-22 04:34 asciilifeform: but all the semantics of original must be preserved, to begin.
BingoBoingo: Well node's in August 2016, so made it past the mp-constipator block
davout: BingoBoingo: welcome to the club
mircea_popescu: you'd be surprised how often the defense is "oh, nobody TOLD ME" when cornered.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-14 18:09 mircea_popescu: the ~only~ think these two fellows, mrame and fircea, ARE NOT going to engage in is any sort or kind of ancestor worship.
mircea_popescu: o, right, there's no trains where you live. well... it's basically a tin can on wheels.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i wonder how many people took a ho over to graf zepellin and fucked her there, during the 30s.
mircea_popescu: presumably tyhe people who lost the tanker.
asciilifeform: just -- to the grief of many kriegsmarine folk -- slow
mircea_popescu: what's the valve gonna do.
asciilifeform: killing pirates is quite kosher per 'law of the sea' last i knew
asciilifeform: send the detonation code ?
a111: Logged on 2017-03-14 17:07 ben_vulpes: i figured the boats were under constant optical satellite tracking, perhaps these schmucks weren't paying for it? http://gcaptain.com/bunker-tanker-hijacked-off-somalia/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626970 << what is the tracking going to do ? suppose gf is under constant pinterst tracking. one day http://68.media.tumblr.com/925b61fbfa3cd5898068e2ba829ebd86/tumblr_n1ml06EKTm1sonex9o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: the ~only~ think these two fellows, mrame and fircea, ARE NOT going to engage in is any sort or kind of ancestor worship.
mircea_popescu: two men land on deserted island, let's call them mrame pragger and fircea dopescu. they observe that a) monkeys are powerless b) there are no proper latrines and c) how dare you shit out in the open you stinked up the whole island. problem ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i do. the inconsistency that my (naive) mind spots is the "eh empire is not powerful anyway" + "there is no current alternative for X than Y" in conjunction with "how dare you use Y!!!"
a111: Logged on 2017-03-14 15:53 asciilifeform: 'no, increase the mtu!'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626949 << mtu is epically irrelevant, seeing how the ping is 50ms in this particular configuration.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-14 15:25 asciilifeform: i suspect that 'greybeard' holdouts, taleb et al, who 'bitcoin is a fad, will go into the sands of time, snoar' are on a sound logical footing, 'every OTHER attempt to combat massed stupidity has ultimately fallen, nuked by OurDemocracy, and the more brazen the assault, the quicker'
mircea_popescu: this one's way the fuck more appealing to my taste than "and everyone will be nice to everyone and there will be no poverty or suffering"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik there has not yet been birthed a civilization that has both reactors AND curbstomp-all-whiners. it is a theoretical possibility, like bricks of antimatter.
mircea_popescu: these discussions predate stilpniks, we're talking 4-3 bce
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yep, afaik actually imported from india via persia and the lebanese/syrian/etc early christianhood.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-14 15:17 asciilifeform: it is in the empowered whinerism.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1626930 << it bears repeating that whinerism exists to be empowered only in those already fallen shitholes that do not http://trilema.com/2017/fake-news-are-just-one-tail-of-the-failed-female-state/#selection-189.38-193.69
mircea_popescu: to this day "pleasantly scented remains" is on the orthodox list of santly merits.