a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 12:46 mircea_popescu: as it happens i am not about to trade my insanely selected (not just http://trilema.com/2017/the-story-of-the-scared-slut/ should plainly indicate that scarcely a girl in a million makes it past my gates) toys for ... what the fuck for, $random-kid ? That's not for my sluts to do, that's for the 0 value redditards. for them, it's actually +ev. my girls have immensely more important shit to do, such as... everything else. the
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628645 << nah nobody suggests doing that. I went looking for where you said something about wealthy muslims having the stables full of expendable males, didn't find.
asciilifeform: bang, dust falls off the chalkboards
mircea_popescu: i can't tell you how great it is to have trilema. half the shit i forgot about by now, i can get lost in there for hours.
mircea_popescu: dude don't miss out, you'll be old and sorry you didn't photograph all the sluts in all the rooms of all the houses + sidewalks + etc.
Framedragger: yeah, it'll be on the list of shit i need to blog about :/
a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 14:50 Framedragger: i like my rc airplanes. "the will of history necessitates you to X" has a marx'ified hegelian vibe :p
mircea_popescu: civilian cunt likely doesn't have the fine muscle control, but there's a very thin sphyncter at vaginal entry. though in most girls it's traumatized by bad defloration.
asciilifeform: ok i was about to 'hmm he fucks lampreys doesnthe'
asciilifeform: aaaah cheating, uses the edge
mircea_popescu: well, she takes it in loosely and squeezes on the outstroke. provided she can take the whole length, condom will roll up into her.
asciilifeform: i'd picture that there is not enough friction to grip. but if mircea_popescu has demonstrated experimentally -- i'll believe him
asciilifeform: it is not directly analogous, no. merely reminiscent. chick doesn't have a spindle glove can catch on and wind you around, crushing like insect ( at least mine doesn't, i can't speak for others ... )
mircea_popescu: not so sure this is a valid comparison, though. the machinist interacts with the machine with his hands. you're fucking her alright, but you don't interact with her with your penis in the same sense. not by a damned sight.
asciilifeform: ( there is a very famous photo illustrating why not, i will leave it as exercise for reader, to find it )
mircea_popescu: anyway, this all said, let me closingly point out that it's way the fuck easier for her to lick your condom off than to fish for stray globs inside. to the tune of pleasant minute versus tedious quarter hour.
asciilifeform: the power of faith!!111
mircea_popescu: the semi-permeable cuntmembrane. it allows photons both ways, cocks both ways, sperms one way only.
asciilifeform: usually improvised on the spot.
asciilifeform: but they'll say something like 'oh the sacred spermatozoids made it home, that's just water' or some other poppycock.
mircea_popescu: so they don't know what a cum rag is, or a wet spot ?
mircea_popescu: what, they're all virgins ?
mircea_popescu: i always wondered, what do the "every sperm is sacred" folk think about the very natural refund ?
asciilifeform: well yeah, if they displayed it, someone might wonder what it is... and there'll be same wankscandal as when a hotel in nyc installed them
asciilifeform: before that only knew of it from grandfather's ww2 story
mircea_popescu: lol. they do have it here. dunno about east coast.
asciilifeform: in civilized places they also have this bidet thing, but it is too high tech for the monkeys
mircea_popescu: wtf do you do, she douches after ? every time ? you eat it out of her ? does she dribble cum all over the bed as you watch the second half of the movie, so in a coupla weeks your sheet's rigid ?
mircea_popescu: but ~everyone fucks on beds. i mean, i can see now and again taking girl out on nature walk and generously allowing her to lay on her back in the mud so you don't have to dirty yourself fucking her. but...
asciilifeform: they'd laugh at mircea_popescu's thin glove.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski seems to be missing out on the 1 and only plus of having just 1 gurl : losing the plastic bag
asciilifeform: it's ~100% if it actually goes down the gullet everyday.
asciilifeform: btw pete_dushenski, 'Even with the pill, that forsaken shaman of working woman bondage, the effectiveness is only ~90%.' << this is a lulzy stat, because it lumps in not only user error but outright sabotage
mircea_popescu: o hey, english has this! the normal = perpendicular. nice.
asciilifeform: hey there are folx whose parachute didn't open.
mircea_popescu: conceivably the technology improved since the 70s, but anyway. i like pills, they give the girls proper hormonal cycles. why shouldn't she pms ?
a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 12:46 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628626 << i don't see this at all. if you fuck a woman "normally" and she's not on the pill, you will obtain 8 kids in 10 years. you will also obtain an extremely shriveled woman, because like it or not females are essentially the cotyledon of children. biology is merciless and the ultimate empire, it dun care one whit your girl is smart and pleasant and worships you, it just cares to push o
asciilifeform: ( see ml for the patch )
a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 07:21 davout: in other TRB news, my node is happily bitcoining, doesn't seem too bothered by working with a regular HDD, and that's without asciilifeform's cache patch
asciilifeform: there's 1 sultan, he has 1 cock, neh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where's the surprise in this. airplane sits most of the time on parking lot, same as bulldozer, same as harem
mircea_popescu: ironically, harems worked about the same way mine does : lotta girls eating each other out, some anal, some oral, not so much missionary.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 06:08 trinque: regarding the pill, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it's had a profound impact on female behavior.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628623 << there was that tshirt sniffers experiment. was even replicated...
a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 06:10 trinque: I think rather that it's a mark of a ~severely impoverished~ society that pregnancy is this harrowing pitfall
mircea_popescu: (i dunno if english has it, but the girl with the golden cunt is a sort of folk item in romanian. usually in "wtf has she got, is her cunt golden ?!" inquiries of exasperated exes.)
mircea_popescu: anyway, the pill is not equivalent to "get pregnant and miscarry". it prevents nidation (ie, the implantation of the fecundated ovary into the uterine wall). pregnancy can at the earliest be deemed to have begun once the morule starts signaling (hormonally), which is days away from this moment. it'd be proper-er to say it gilds their womb.
mircea_popescu: in other words, human society has advanced to the point where the spot on the r/K continuum that its primate biology has picked is insufficient. i want it way the fuck K-er, which is why my women reproduce through selecting and training other 16-25yo girls, not through having fucking babies.
mircea_popescu: ~only sane way to look at sexuate reproduction in humans is as an equivalent of taking the minimum wage. it's a thing to do there, like flipping burgers, a safety net so you're never in this position where you have absolutely nothing you could do.
mircea_popescu: as it happens i am not about to trade my insanely selected (not just http://trilema.com/2017/the-story-of-the-scared-slut/ should plainly indicate that scarcely a girl in a million makes it past my gates) toys for ... what the fuck for, $random-kid ? That's not for my sluts to do, that's for the 0 value redditards. for them, it's actually +ev. my girls have immensely more important shit to do, such as... everything else. the
mircea_popescu: ut more biomass. look, eg, into the aetiology of osteoporisis (tl;dr : body melts her bones to pump out calcium in milk for baby ; if menopausal it's almost like she's pregnant (ie, low hormonal output) so it melts her bones anyway! because fuck her!)
a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 06:10 trinque: I think rather that it's a mark of a ~severely impoverished~ society that pregnancy is this harrowing pitfall
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628626 << i don't see this at all. if you fuck a woman "normally" and she's not on the pill, you will obtain 8 kids in 10 years. you will also obtain an extremely shriveled woman, because like it or not females are essentially the cotyledon of children. biology is merciless and the ultimate empire, it dun care one whit your girl is smart and pleasant and worships you, it just cares to push o
mircea_popescu: heck, should be parenting 101. "baby, don't fall LIKE THAT. fall like this, look" and there she goes, plop on the carpet.
mircea_popescu: trinque they are ?
davout: in other TRB news, my node is happily bitcoining, doesn't seem too bothered by working with a regular HDD, and that's without asciilifeform's cache patch
diana_coman: hm, the first thing I purposefully learnt when on skis was...how to fall; as in: how to fall *without* breaking anything etc
ben_vulpes: what, are people passing you on the slopes?
trinque: what, you have an iPhone? great, kid. my great grandmother had 14 kids and her man was a coal miner. and they all ate.
trinque: whether speaking of culture, sexual dynamics, or money
trinque: I think rather that it's a mark of a ~severely impoverished~ society that pregnancy is this harrowing pitfall
trinque: so then we've made multiple generations of women that get pregnant and miscarry once a month?
trinque: regarding the pill, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it's had a profound impact on female behavior.
trinque: well yeah, but a) they're fucking uncomfortable and b) see A.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/03/17/of-condoms-and-other-helmets/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Of condoms and other helmets.
BingoBoingo: Gotta have what with to swat Martians at the border
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's also a sub, "laser replacement for radiotherapy". i dunno tho.
mircea_popescu: (magurele is the ro chelyabinsk basically)
mircea_popescu: rarefied plasma experiments ; the place has a history of doing hyperexcited ions research
asciilifeform: 'let's take the most useless golden toilet in usgdom and BUILD BIGGER BETTER ORCER STRONGER'
asciilifeform: (does there exist 10pw of mains current on tap?)
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, romania building world's largest laser, 10 PW
asciilifeform: in other very olds : http://www.hartron.com.ua/en/node/91 << for the Museum of Terrifyingly Bad Translations
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> belan was on cover of one of the sections of the local paper this morning. flexing his tatted muscles in mirror selfie. article referenced how '22yo dropped out of school but was seen on instagram flashing wads of 100s, driving fast cars, drinking grey goose(!), and posing with girls in tight dresses(!!)' << Apparently post partum psychotic beserker dominated local paper here today
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> on occasion. yes with teeth. i also pluck their legs and let them die. in general i torture a good half of all mosquitoes. << i like his enthusiasm. im usually content to simply smash them like @ c3. but, hey, i gotta try this.
mircea_popescu: from what i hear smallest kitten in the room if that room'd be in the 50 contiguous fattes.
ben_vulpes: the mind boggles
asciilifeform: the observation where 'the number of circus trainers among population of people eaten by tigers is ~0' applies to just about everything.
mircea_popescu: the animal ~is~ powerful as all hell. so if it decides to get you you're in trouble.
asciilifeform: iirc the typical 'eaten by tiger' candidate is not the owner, but a sometime visitor.
asciilifeform: not many american-style 'picket fence' houses there.
mircea_popescu: think : the first time people found out there were 300 tigers in moscow was when they went to look for them. not when the 500 people were eaten, sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: i suspect that may be the deep driver, guy knows the animal is harmless, much more so than wife, but visitors shit pants.
asciilifeform: recently it was proclaimed that these folx succeeded in forcing an animal 'census' in moscow. which turned up some 300 large cats. incl. tigers
a111: Logged on 2017-03-15 00:29 mircea_popescu: pretty fine example of exactly why warren was so vocal (item was strictly a barony created so elizabeth warren could be barron OF SOMETHING). this cfpb item spent 55mn on "renovations" of its hq, ie more than the gsa spent that year on everything the usg owns ; spent immensely on travel (which is not something they do). the chairman is supposed to not be removable by the president except "for cause" (meanwhile that got strick
asciilifeform: but there is a set of 'fried chicken niggers' (tm)(r)(trilema) in ru, who want to change this, so that they can http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-15#1627253 on it.
asciilifeform: of course this is a circus, neither a concrete raccoon nor all of them put together, have any official 'rights' in ru.
asciilifeform: 'by filming the raccoon with a naked woman, the defendant inflicted harm on the population of raccoons. Now, every who sees this given film or photograph, will associate raccoons directly with erotica.'
asciilifeform: i mean, who the hell cares if ru court indicts somebody. spain, germany, etc. won't extradite to ru.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe they just minded who you were with :D
asciilifeform: the mosquitoes here in mosquitolandia are large, but apparently not quite the size of mircea_popescu's ( though at c3 i saw a great many mosquitoes, but 0 bit ! some sort of incompatibility..? )
mircea_popescu: on occasion. yes with teeth. i also pluck their legs and let them die. in general i torture a good half of all mosquitoes.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-16 22:55 mircea_popescu: yeah, i have nfi why teh putin isn't flooding the usg with red notices for usgtards.
mircea_popescu: "There is nothing smoother then this rum. I recommend everyone to get this. I bought it in Costa Rica for $45. It goes great with come." << bwahahaha that site. teh sluts know.
trinque: it's the shit in every vegas hotel's bullshit snack locker
pete_dushenski: dunno why anyone would pose with grey goose that wasn't 10l either
pete_dushenski: grey goose has normal unflavoured variants. in mega-bottles (>2l) isn't the only 'flavour' available afaik
mircea_popescu: "Dramatic label. Frenchness. Premium exclusivity." are you FUCKING KIDDING ME ?~!?!?! you can buy it at thew supermarket! wtf exclusivity!
mircea_popescu: they really gotta hfcs all the things, don't they. it's not enough the difference between beer and fanta is the label. now gotta fuck up the liquors too don't they
pete_dushenski: belan was on cover of one of the sections of the local paper this morning. flexing his tatted muscles in mirror selfie. article referenced how '22yo dropped out of school but was seen on instagram flashing wads of 100s, driving fast cars, drinking grey goose(!), and posing with girls in tight dresses(!!)'
mircea_popescu: yeah, i have nfi why teh putin isn't flooding the usg with red notices for usgtards.
asciilifeform: the 'ceo'.
asciilifeform: overnment’s Red Notice and detaining Belan after his return, Dokuchaev and Sushchin subsequently used him to gain unauthorized access to Yahoo’s network.... ' << where is the indictment of the idiot woman ?
asciilifeform: 'Belan had been publicly indicted in September 2012 and June 2013 and was named one of FBI’s Cyber Most Wanted criminals in November 2013. An Interpol Red Notice seeking his immediate detention has been lodged (including with Russia) since July 26, 2013. Belan was arrested in a European country on a request from the U.S. in June 2013, but he was able to escape to Russia before he could be extradited. Instead of acting on the U.S. g
asciilifeform: 'A grand jury in the Northern District of California has indicted four defendants, including two officers of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB), for computer hacking, economic espionage and other criminal offenses in connection with a conspiracy, beginning in January 2014, to access Yahoo’s network and the contents of webmail accounts.'
asciilifeform: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/us-charges-russian-fsb-officers-and-their-criminal-conspirators-hacking-yahoo-and-millions << from horse's mouth, some plain text.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, even though preet is out, preet-style lulzindictments of folx nowhere near usgistan, are still a thing : https://cryptome.org/2017/03/dokuchaev-001.pdf ( turdalicious fax scan, no plain text available yet afaik )
Framedragger: i was getting incredulous with the first sentence description but my worries were soothed after reading that they're built on ethereum and that they had an I C O
Framedragger: > Melonport, the company behind Melon, had a very successful Initial Coin Offering (ICO), hitting its target of 227,000 ETH
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the other end of "our democracy" female state, https://www.quora.com/What-is-best-way-to-get-traffic-for-new-Hindi-blog
mircea_popescu: lmao, the libertards are nao in "plox don't expect evidence for that trump-russia thing" mutual grooming mode.
pete_dushenski: in other news, i'm happy to report that i've successfully run alf's wire patch. hooray!1
davout: ben_vulpes: looks like the a380 doesn't have purely mechanical backups, which makes sense, only electric ones: http://www.fzt.haw-hamburg.de/pers/Scholz/dglr/hh/text_2007_09_27_A380_Flight_Controls.pdf
ben_vulpes: davout: aiui, nobody cranks the effecting surfaces around, but uses a small flap to do so.
davout: i'll dig it, the question is interesting
davout: imagine an A380 on mechanical force, what would the point be?
asciilifeform: 0 mechanical link to the surfaces.
davout: asciilifeform: probably one of the x systems would have survived
ben_vulpes: i imagine the actuation forces in a hyraulicized biz jet are...larger
davout: you still feel it, that's the point
veen: if you've ever turned off the ignition in your truck while rolling and tried to steer or apply brakes you know the feel
veen: literally get two guys on the yoke and start reefin' on it
davout: first: don't die immediately by recovering the aircraft
ben_vulpes: davout: what means "recover the aircraft exercising raw muscle force"?
ben_vulpes: > the aircraft received damage beyond repair and was written off
davout: "he aircraft encountered wake turbulence sending the aircraft in uncontrolled roll turning the aircraft around at least 3 times (possibly even 5 times), both engines flamed out, the Ram Air Turbine could not deploy possibly as result of G-forces and structural stress, the aircraft lost about 10,000 feet until the crew was able to recover the aircraft exercising raw muscle force"
ben_vulpes: well at first i thought it was a good pun on don sancho using the portugese dao, and punning on teh dao attacker
asciilifeform: rather than an old candy wrapper.
asciilifeform: davout: the fundamental fallacy is the notion that bitcoin, absent the 'ladder' of transactions from a valid coinbase to your particular unspentolade, is still in whatever sense 'bitcoin'
mircea_popescu: that the absence of such miracle dieters will scarcely be felt is true ; but not sure if that's relevant to you.
mircea_popescu: so... no. cutting own throat, all the way.
mircea_popescu: it's safe to say you probably missed some PARTICULAR arguments ; but it's probably safe to say you did get the fundamental argument, which is : you do, you die.
davout: so yeah, i'm satisfied with the answers in the sense that i did not miss any particular argument against pruning
asciilifeform: davout: this is pretty fundamental material, imho, it is 'what separates us from the monkeys' (tm)
davout: asciilifeform: the "full chain" thing is simply in the context of asking a clarification to the question
mircea_popescu: there's no fucking alternatives.
mircea_popescu: it's apparently the most deeply cherished delusion, of the young-man-and-his-biddle, that "alternatives!!1"
a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 14:50 Framedragger: i like my rc airplanes. "the will of history necessitates you to X" has a marx'ified hegelian vibe :p
mircea_popescu: the "alternatives" narrative. a deep matter, going all the way to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624181
asciilifeform: silently replace the protocol with promise.
asciilifeform: sorta the whole thrust of gavinism, neh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what'd the usg love more than for it to fade! to become "technologies"! to etc.
asciilifeform: this was the subject of mircea_popescu's keccak article
asciilifeform: if you have enough of these, bitcoin per se becomes a very questionable proposition
asciilifeform: davout: understand, anyone who runs a node that cannot or will not produce 'historical' record ~from genesis up to currentheight~ is an attacker. doing his own small bit to nail bitcoin .
asciilifeform: where was it in the meantime ?
davout: trinque: in that particular case what criterion would you refuse them upon if you had the full chain anyway?
trinque: so you either ignore and maybe you're forked off to nowhere land, or you accept, and blindly
trinque: can't even say they ~ever~ were a part of bitcoin
trinque: say someone comes at you with blocks further back than your prune, and you are compelled to accept them by hash rate
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i see no need for the subertfuge. if tomorrow thing is pruned to include "last 1k blocks" i'll just mine a 1k long chain in which everyone donates their coin to me, and bomb all the miners who refuse to mine on it. pie.
asciilifeform: and ethertard-style proscriptions, etc.
asciilifeform: proponents of 'pruning' want to replace 'the weight of 400k blocks' with a promisetronic 'checkpoint list'. which, i imagine the game plan is, to eventually include deviations from the usual proof of work, per gavin's unabashed declaration where 'WE say what the blocks were'
mircea_popescu: which is EXACTLY how it works : blockchain replacement now costs the whole weight of 400k blocks.
mircea_popescu: to which the only sane lucentio answer is "fu, i own them, and if you don't like it ask me."
mircea_popescu: and this situation you wish to replace with "because we say so, and if you don';t like it ask another one of us".
mircea_popescu: no but consider. we currently have the situation where lucentio of pisa comes to padua, and inquires, "who owns these houses ?" and gets answer "x, y, z, k" and then inquires "oh yeah ? how do i know that ?" and gets answer, "because they bought from endless list tracing back to the dude that built them".
asciilifeform: there is no way to compress infinite string into finite space.
asciilifeform: davout : mircea_popescu has it. your hypothetical 'pruned' utxo set is one bitflip away from ???.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the thought process is that every clever kid wants to 'и рыбку съесть, и на хуй сесть' (tm)
davout: asciilifeform: yeah, sure you're not serving peers the historical data, that's the single thing that seems very wrong with pruning, at least to me
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure what the thought process is here, beyond "i don't want to store books because momstate makes libraries and oh, where did anything but cosmo go ?!"
davout: trinque: "if the whole net is trimming" <<< that seems like a valid objection to me
asciilifeform: davout: if you aren't storing the historical data, you are not a peer. you are a pseudonode.
davout: doesn't really matter where you get it from, as long as it verifies, you're not asking your connected peers for a wot identity, yet you take their data and verify it independently
trinque: if the whole net is trimming how am I with a new node going to verify once
mircea_popescu: davout because who the fuck are you and why do i have to take your word and if your house burns down what do you do.
asciilifeform: davout: what does 'verify' mean if you can't trace the coins from birth to current day ?
davout: mircea_popescu: how is it nonsense if i have personnally verified the chain?
asciilifeform: 'where did this money come from, how much exists in total' 'dunno, in the Great Pruning of 2050 the scrolls of the ancients were lost'
asciilifeform: there is nor cannot be such a thing where a fortranesque '1 := 2' produces a consistent state.
mircea_popescu: as to the direct question, a pruned chain may make sense, if someone came up with a way to do it sanely. this seems impossible on bitcoin-as-it-is, and perhaps unlikely in the general.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: even in your demurraging scheme , you would not thereby be able to safely recycle tx id.
asciilifeform: the solution whereby tx id is unique for all eternity, is not stupid. it is the Right Thing.
mircea_popescu: the defense to something stupid isn't picking something else that's stupid to be yelled at top of lungs.
mircea_popescu: i'm not proposing the solution is acceptable. i am showing you that your OVERSTRONG STATEMENT is nonsense.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: demurraging coin fails the berlin wall test.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-27 16:56 mircea_popescu: but the correct trb-i might just as well end up this situation where block reward is 1mn bitcoin, and it dies within 1mn blocks. so all mining does is produce ~ a lease ~ on a chunk of bitcoin. and the value of old bitcoin is monotonically decreasing over their lifetime.
davout: your copy of the blockchain being personal i don't see any other problem than peer-service, if, and only if, you've validated it as validly producing the UTXO set you consider valid
mircea_popescu: "these coins were mined not printed, plox believe" ?
mircea_popescu: davout in principle nothing ; in practice if you can't justify whence the coins came then what do you have
davout: i see not being able to serve historical data to peers as the major one from where i stand
davout: as a naive question, what exactly is the problem with pruning?
asciilifeform: 'The list of all used transactions isn't readily available, and once pruning shows up, it might not even exist at all. So, it only makes sense to compare the new coinbase to the list of transaction hashes that are unspent at the time ... ' << holy fuck the 1) idiocy 2) nobody challenged it, afaik
mod6: <+davout> it did not occur to these monkeys that somehow it might also make sense to ~not~ include a subject line reading "O HAI YOU HAZ X DEPOSIT KTHXBYE" << lol, huuurrrr
ben_vulpes: don't get me wrong, responding in context is entirely adequate most of the time
davout: it did not occur to these monkeys that somehow it might also make sense to ~not~ include a subject line reading "O HAI YOU HAZ X DEPOSIT KTHXBYE"
davout: in other GPG-related lulz, when I decided to give the kraken idiots a chance, i ticked the "Encrypt mail sent to me with GPG" and gave my key
a111: Logged on 2017-03-16 18:41 ben_vulpes: enTIREly unrelated, does anyone know how to get gpg to decrypt a message that is also signed, but to produce the signature in addition to saying that the signature is good?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ah ok, i guess the issue is that the sig is part of binary blob, need to convert it, etc, hrmh
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: sorry for being obtuse, but if by 'show signature' you mean print signature in ascii-armored way, why can't you `echo 'foo' | gpg --clearsign > a.txt`, then `cat a.txt | gpg --encrypt --recipient recipient-username > b.bin`, then `gpg --decrypt b.bin`? (this assumes gpg is interactive and will ask for password, so best to break it into multiple commands)
ben_vulpes: in other modern obfuscutronix: http://68.media.tumblr.com/fe0a9af4b1b9f48bd034fc8b6eb57298/tumblr_omtld1OkHV1u0x24bo1_1280.jpg
trinque: he proposes stuffing the sausage in a sock
davout: ben_vulpes: only a terrorist would want to see the signature
ben_vulpes: no i want to see the fucking signature
Framedragger: wasn't sure what you were trying to do, sorry - you want to first decrypt a message, *then* check signature - but check how beyond 'signature is good'?
ben_vulpes: i guess i can --verbose and get the mpi values?
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: you want whole signature contents in cleartext? ya may be difficult with stock gpg. otherwise there's `--list-packets`
asciilifeform: (nuke the keychain idiocy)
asciilifeform: natively gpg doesn't even ~carry~ the notion of 'for this set, Message, Signature, Pubkey, say if well-formed'
ben_vulpes: enTIREly unrelated, does anyone know how to get gpg to decrypt a message that is also signed, but to produce the signature in addition to saying that the signature is good?
asciilifeform: davout: carefully read this routine and follow the calls all the way down, or this thread will make ~0 sense
a111: Logged on 2017-03-16 14:54 asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=makefiles#0968 << the routine in question.
davout: but it's not clear to me how exactly this works when the first introduction of A was spent
asciilifeform: davout: correct. and recall, reorg is a local, rather than global, phenomenon
davout: as i understand it, since it's removed from the index
davout: there are two cases here
asciilifeform: davout: it would not, because A is not 'marked spent', it does not exist in the index at all after the reorg.
asciilifeform: davout: correct, but only tells half of the story. it is unspendable in the sense that whoever mined the original A, is left to be sad. but A can be reintroduced now. and with it, all of the tx that used it as an input.
davout: wouldn't it consider the reintroduction as "already spent" ?
davout: say there is a coinbase A in block 10
asciilifeform: davout: as i understand, the attack described in 7th paragraph, with the transplanted tree, would still work today.
davout: "Duplicate coinbases already exist in the Midas Money block chain." <<< fucking priceless
asciilifeform: oh hah it was right there wasn't it.
asciilifeform: looks like it describes exactly the scenario in this thread. and wuille sat down with his handler and asked, 'how do we 'solve' this but without actually solving it? hmm'
asciilifeform: because it was built by somebody who was dropped as a baby, and uses tx id as if it were guaranteed unique, then turns around and 'oops, they aren't, but it doesn't matter Because Reasons'
davout: as mentioned a few lines earlier in the log
asciilifeform: simply by not catering to the patently idiotic expectation of being able to spend the output of a tx that hasn't been mined yet.