asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it wasn't the quad ?
Framedragger: trinque: sorry for the noise, man. you're right, of course.
asciilifeform: was the last 'serious' crapple
asciilifeform: ( iirc the quad core one, had )
ben_vulpes sighs a sigh for the days gone by
trinque: ben_vulpes: https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/macppc/INSTALL.macppc << I want to say the device comes up as "ud" for USB... sometimes
mod6: also, I think the idea of deedifying my version of V is also worthwhile... I think I've simply been waiting for it to satisfy the constraints before creating a genesis. Once that's created, then I'd say it'd be worthy of freezing.
trinque: ben_vulpes: there's some txbi thing in openfirmware
ben_vulpes: in entirely others topics, gentoo quest ppc edition has stumbled on step boot-from-usb
mod6: <+trinque> strike that, all trb deps mod6 deeded; he is hosting the V stuff. << fwiw it's also posted to the ML which is on some other environment.
trinque: and understand, outside of the L1, your opinion on how infrastructure is run is worth nothing, and your "everyone does X, so I can" construction makes you sound like a bed-wetter.
trinque: strike that, all trb deps mod6 deeded; he is hosting the V stuff.
asciilifeform: thing is entirely summarized in the log.
diana_coman: back in Ro, in my experience gipsies had fewer if any such troubles re speaking to women, naked or not; they were quite cowards (i.e. if someone took them to task/seemed powerful around they would retreat) but otherwise not suffering from much anxiety re the interaction itself
mircea_popescu: they can't do it even when dressed.
diana_coman: so perhaps not that much at odds after all; re the female imagined part, I suspect that has more to do with fact that ... "what'll happen" depends on who gets her out
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well... considering what's on youtube, i wouldn't be surprised if they had.
diana_coman: the"evidence"
diana_coman: that sounds close enough/toward the "make money renting folding chairs" though, doesn't it?
mircea_popescu: was trying to get phones from the people around "for evidence".
mircea_popescu: i think he was married. there was a very hot and bothared youth. he made it first.
ben_vulpes: what, he wasn't going to offer you one for the privilege of staring at your babe?
mircea_popescu: which i deduce is their slang for smoking pot.
mircea_popescu: i suspect everyone in the field just HAD to come over to see this wonder. i'm guessing they literally never heard of such before.
mircea_popescu: apparently they're very enamoured with the idea that you get robbed here. nfi why. i guess it keeps them in jobs.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it was lulzy, "let's see your papers" "well i don't carry them" "why not ?" "the embassy told me not to because i'll get robbed." "oh".
mircea_popescu: somewhat at odds with the public imagination of you know, gangrape-till-daybreak (if imaginer is female) or else "they'll start zombieing around with beers, eventually some dude will try to make money renting folding chairs, that sorta thing".
mircea_popescu: anyway, to my eye the amusing thing is that if you get a nude hottie out in the open, what'll happen is the half dozen boys that'll dare approach will a) be symbolically protected by their magical uniform garb and b) ask for the perturbation in the force be removed OH PLEASE GOD MAKE IT GO AWAY.
mircea_popescu: in other news, mp takes girl to picnic at neighbourhood park, she goes naked, within 15 minutes there's half a dozen local cops around the blanket being all concerned.
asciilifeform: i set up a lisp in there once, even (i forget which, may have been clisp) but it was a pain, whole process had to be born when page is loaded, and promptly die
asciilifeform: the thing is hyper-optimized for hosting well-ddosed blogs. and specifically ones running on 1990s-style software, where the cpu is idle except when somebody is actually loading a page. but other than that imposes no restrictions on proggies you run, last i saw you even had gcc in there, could build own, run.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: it suffers -- besides the obvious minuses described earlier -- from the martian problem. i.e. if it ever dies, there is no ready replacement
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you get a postgres process tho. by ticking a box in the www acct panel; it then magically appears in your pseudolinux.
asciilifeform: for all i know, they wrote from scratch.
asciilifeform: i do not in fact know the exact mechanism.
asciilifeform: but of course it is emulated, and is expected to not hog the cpu.
asciilifeform: (rather than a proprietary crapolade uploader, or ftp, as typical in ye olde 'shared host')
asciilifeform: also ben_vulpes may be right, i do not know if the proper name for what nfs co does is 'vps'.
asciilifeform: the unfortunate thing is that nfs co. is quite useless for most of the purposes of most folx here.
asciilifeform: (they also have a thing, iirc, where you can buy 'buckets' of bandwidth, for use in case of elaborate ddos, but i have not tried it)
fd_travel: yeah i liked quite a few things about them when i spotted them long ago, micro-precision accounting, etc.
asciilifeform: at any rate, for the price it is quite impossible to beat, i have nfi how they are able to supply this kind of service, at that price.
asciilifeform: they also claim that they have never dropped a paying account other than by court order , but i have no way of knowing if true.
asciilifeform: fd_travel: they have a strange and ancient setup, you use their nameserver, the boxes actually serving up your thing, vary, the ip is not static, quite eldritch
fd_travel: i wonder how they handle ddos. i mean, maybe your blog is just not baitsy enough :p
asciilifeform: the minus is that it is (yes) in usa, and has very limited support for anything that isn't text www
asciilifeform: and with 0 'cloudflare' or whatever other hipsterism.
asciilifeform: i pay couplea bux per mo for what is in effect five-nines uptime, and the closest thing i've ever seen to infinite ddos resistance
asciilifeform: i am actually rather fond of my vps hoster, nfs co (discussed in the logs at least twice, one of which was the time mircea_popescu wrote to them 'why not bitcoin?' and they answered 'bitcoin is a snore', he then barfed)
fd_travel: i wouldn't trust their virtualised 'dedicated box' offer to actually be dedicated but who knows
ben_vulpes: don't they?
fd_travel: that said, not the best of arguments.
fd_travel: yesyes. fwiw the ssh banner db is on dedicated server. i just have an old vps which has been doing just fine actually
asciilifeform: the folx who actually want to speak -- and have something to say -- follow the instructions, they ask somebody for an 'up'.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-22 20:52 phf: ben_vulpes: i was thinking of wiring in an auto-upper for never seen accounts, but given the quality of ups.. i do wonder, if were to up them "faster" maybe they'll talk better
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1631002 << the remoras, historically, have shown 0 interest in talking, or - when talking - in making any sense
a111: Logged on 2017-03-22 20:46 Framedragger: luckily there haven't been any leakage of key material over radio
Framedragger: i simply haven't internalised the republic's world_takeover_timeline.txt
ben_vulpes: i'll be surprised if new people are even welcome without immediately joining the wot and introducing themselves much after q3
phf: also the whole "funnel of good material" was the original idea behind mp's "start your own channels"
phf: i'm not sure the idea is relevant, since you can just have an open channel for funneling already
Framedragger: bots autoup folks there, use channel as funnel of good material into #trilema; or, bots calculate entropy of nicks outputting there, creating automatic pipeline.. horrible idea i know
ben_vulpes: "has nick joined and parted within the past week without saying anything after receiving voice?"
ben_vulpes: i'd almost rather see an auto-kicker
phf: ben_vulpes: i was thinking of wiring in an auto-upper for never seen accounts, but given the quality of ups.. i do wonder, if were to up them "faster" maybe they'll talk better
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc he posted a photo at some point, is in the l0gz
Framedragger: luckily there haven't been any leakage of key material over radio
shinohai: Bored with all those other apps? Examine thy semen! http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/3/22/15009960/male-fertility-device-smartphone-app-semen-test
Framedragger: the radio interface is hipsta but talk about increased attack surface omg.
asciilifeform: https://camp.hsbp.org/2016/pp7e0/fahrplan/system/attachments/22/original/camp__.pdf << sooo i look at his pcb -- antenna track?! then read, 'key exchange over 2.4GHz', 'post-quantum crypto (newhope and symmetric)'
ben_vulpes: didja read the article?
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm slow, but i can't connect that to the q ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: when deciding what to plant on the 'criminal' comp, naturally
mircea_popescu: how exactly were some people capable of geting "hashes" of files they need some dork's password to decrypt ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: at what point in the toolchain?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: afaik they use humans
ben_vulpes: bloat the "known hashes" db rightly.
mircea_popescu: the right question is, why doesn't twitter alter all its images on the fly to hit those hashes
mircea_popescu: ah. you are asking the wrong question.
ben_vulpes: "thousands of files with the same hash values as known child pornography files"
ben_vulpes: why, if prosecution relies on "known hashes" are these verboten integers not twiddled ever so slightly for each customer?
asciilifeform: (then -- 'coke machine.')
asciilifeform: it's the logical end.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/0qmNU << from same rag. 'The US Third Circuit Court of Appeals today upheld a lower court ruling of contempt against a chap who claimed he couldn't remember the password to decrypt his computer's hard drives.'
asciilifeform: ^ complete with 'oh it wasn't the tor, believe'
asciilifeform: ^ includes the buildroot process
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html << recipe
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000033.html << arm cross-flags example (from ye olde trb)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see the pogo build articles.
mircea_popescu: why the hell not.
ben_vulpes: surely that's not going to be as simple as adding the right CROSS_COMPILE flag to portage conf files, right?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you really oughta cross-compile the whole shebang
asciilifeform: gentoo afaik never had a theo de raadt, with cellar full of vax, pdp
mircea_popescu: yeah, dead lizard srs bad news for the empire.
asciilifeform: where did these go.
ben_vulpes: https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2017/03/30-years-ago-a-look-back-at-1987/520290/ << featuring agent orange, liza minella, old compaqs, the clintons, and a few ships on fire
mircea_popescu: they were trying to do final fantasy tactics! holy shit, a decade later
mircea_popescu: it's the I[di]OT way. browsers "prefetch" pages, on it goes.
mircea_popescu: 50-50 the "intelligent" app just connects him for good measure and behind the screen.
mircea_popescu: most of the tubes lead nowhere / most of the nerves aren't connected / most of the cables lay buried in a pile of mud.
mircea_popescu: head of household or w/e. independent agent at the least.
mircea_popescu: phf and i bet the happenstance that friend-describes-him-as-not-smooth and the incidental that no-hot-chicks-take-to-his-bower are entirely and wholly unrelated in his own estimation, if somehow it were to be obtained yes ?
mircea_popescu: most "bad relationships" are exactly that. bitter moon (the film) if anyone saw that crap is best summarized as "two subbies arguing who should top that evening".
mircea_popescu: contrary to the common fantasy, most betas would actually be a lot fucking happier if they could live in out and out sexual slavery rather than the bs they're stuck with currently.
asciilifeform: no i was speaking of the pedal folx
asciilifeform: from the position of a draft horse?!
mircea_popescu: (there's a reason bar wenches were female, and the reason is, that originally it was a very reasonable way to get yourself mated.)
mircea_popescu: i expect they're just trying to meet girls.
asciilifeform: incidentally.. there are pedal-powered rickshaws in washington. for ~decade nao.
asciilifeform: funnily enough (at least to me) even the humble rickshaw was introduced by the white man
asciilifeform: it isn't clear to me that americans, in the general case, can distinguish cosmo from whatever.
mircea_popescu: "but everyone uses it!" dun matter "but it's really cool!" dun matter "but i really like it!" you're an orc, do the opposite of your natural impulse because your natural impulse is made of shit. etc etc.
mircea_popescu: this is exactly the point, and i suspect the definitional characteristic of orcdom : the inability to distinguish science mag from cosmo. the failure to comprehend ipad is not nor can not be, no matter what happens, the times.
asciilifeform: why they instead have win2k -- i cannot say
mircea_popescu: ipad is not the times.
asciilifeform: it is entirely possible to be 'behind the times' in a non-retarded way, e.g. 'what ipad, i still have a working pdp11'
mircea_popescu: why the fuck do they think dollars are an investment in 1995 ? it was a fucking investment in 1913, but back THEN they were buying austro-hungarian paper.
mircea_popescu: there;s a reason rms spent his days shuttling from brazil to liberia or wherever the fuck "open source" was "really taking off" once open source was well and truly dead.
asciilifeform: the argentines et al had a golden chance to not-have-microshit
mircea_popescu: point being, by the time argentina heard of computers in 2010, windows 95 was just coming out.
asciilifeform: we have these here
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the lulz about the expired windows on argentina's patriotic pride big screen next to the "national theatre" ?
mircea_popescu: heck, the whole africa used phone market isn't there because THESE FUCKS EAT THE LEFTOVERS AS A DEFINITIONAL CHARACTERISTIC. but purely as a matter of choice.
mircea_popescu: why would the orcs have anything else.
mircea_popescu: they're subhuman for a reason, and the reason they're subhuman is exactly this : BRAINDAMAGE.
mircea_popescu: brownian motion's a thing. there's no why.
mircea_popescu: yeah but it's a little like wondering why the pollen suspended in water took a left.
asciilifeform: reading logs goes against their religion. or wat.
mircea_popescu: wtf is "end to end encryption" in the opinion of that journalist ?
mircea_popescu: "As reported by Motherboard, a September 2016 filing by a Canadian court revealed that the Dutch police were able to decrypt the PGP-encrypted messages because the Dutch investigators may have found the decryption keys on the seized server itself."
mircea_popescu: that'd be fine employment for what's his name wanna-be da indian. fill tax returns on ipad kbd for the rest of his days.
mircea_popescu: on the ipad ? typed one letter at a time ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the proverbial 'six words from the pen of the honest man', presumably.
mircea_popescu: wtf do they want with anyone's ipad.
mircea_popescu: that'd be like the 1983 soviets confiscating communist international propaganda material
phf: we're moving on up, but still no confiscated electronics on the border
diana_coman: that's precisely my point: I get it that some 20 years ago they went into teaching for this reason; meanwhile it's so constricted and day by day more so that ...
mircea_popescu: diana_coman nothing's obvious to the powerless. this is a pleonasm.
mircea_popescu: as always, the empire is consistent, in its batshit insane sort of logic.
diana_coman: ugh, I thought it was already more than obvious that no power at all,what with all the assorted "rights" and "child protection" and what nots
mircea_popescu: why do 30yos go around on the software adequate for the needs of a 14yo in 1817 is anyone's guess, but i suppose its proper name is progress.
mircea_popescu: it's ~same reason dumb pubescent girls went into "witching". siunce people burn witches, it's clearly JUST the thing for a lowly wench with no resources.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman no see, she wants to have power. because she doesn't. and if you go into teaching you have power, because that's why they keep prosecuting them.
mircea_popescu: this prosecution is expected to produce a further 3k shoulda-been-a-stripper enrollments into teaching countrywide, and at least 50k more useless undergrads signing up for overpriced college tuition.
mircea_popescu: "we pretend young women going out with young men is a big deal in order to thereby prop the nonsensical fiction that taking the absolute worst job there is somehow gives bordeline sleeves "power"."
diana_coman: tbh I have no idea why/how would someone go into teaching at this moment; my only hypothesis is that really, really, they have NO other option at all
diana_coman: yes, but at the same time she "can"
mircea_popescu: the notion that she's in a position of power over some male student is perhaps the lulziest bit in there.
shinohai: The creme de la creme though is ..... "Fowlkes taught anatomy, physiology ...."
mircea_popescu: Seventeen years old is obviously older, but at the same time it doesnt make anything right,
shinohai: Now that mircea_popescu pointed out fangs in "The anti-woman" I see them everywhere http://archive.is/3Hujw
trinque: http://www.outsports.com/2017/3/20/14983388/transgender-weightlifting-laurel-hubbard-wins << In doing so she set new national records “in the snatch and clean and jerk,” according to 1 News Now.
asciilifeform: in other veryolds, 'you'll feel no dismay, watching your house burn, after you get to see how the bedbug dies!' (korean proverb)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> if i went out with a wrench and threatened people to break their head unless they pay me 100 pesos i'd break all the heads << That's so primitive. Gotta break out the Chain Tongs like a pro!
mod6: Thanks for following through on the remainders.
mod6: Thanks for the update.
shinohai: np mod6 .... I see you got to the release before I got to msg you and let ya know the other tests went fine, but I didn't expect hiccups after this morning's first.
asciilifeform: i can already picture naggum, might have said, 'hey whatsthematter gnatelim is not part of ada standard, nobody promised you that it'll work and not cut out beating heart from an in-use package'
asciilifeform: holy mother of fuck, asciilifeform sweated for 2 wks over nothing, turned out it was a bug in... gnat
mod6: You will find that The Bitcoin Foundation website has duly been updated as well as the TRB How-To Steps (nothing more has changed than the version number of the tarball to grab for V).
mod6: Ladies and Gentlemen of The Most Serene Republic: I have published a new version of V (99994 K), submitted here: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-March/000260.html
mircea_popescu: mod6 and they got a printout so fucking crisp and clear ~i~ could read it
shinohai: Plus extra for the specialist to interpret
mod6: shit, just about anything serious here will bankrupt the aveage johnny mcfucksticks.
shinohai: Here, that'd be more to the tune of $45`000
mircea_popescu: same day in the sense of, within an hour of walking in.
mircea_popescu: by now the capital goods advantage isn't that marked for the us, and the injuns make barely ok doctors. you're better off with "3rd world".
mod6: I'll tell ya, I've never had much prior experience but... the american health care "system" is about as useless as rubber lips on a woodpecker.
mircea_popescu: the fact she says this proves she never was a lawyer, never could have been a lawyer.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, that's my point, OUT OF THE FUYCKING QUESTION she can, or that any one who was actually a lawyer would even consider trying.
mircea_popescu: you can't live off your "interior decoration blog" in the states.
mircea_popescu: they buy socks on layaway, you understand me ? 50yo dorks trying to look like uni professors, 500 colones worth of merchandise.
mircea_popescu: because nobody has a six dollar bill on them.
mircea_popescu: if i went out with a wrench and threatened people to break their head unless they pay me 100 pesos i'd break all the heads
asciilifeform: 'BlockOn Conference 2017 will feature 2 days of inspiring talks, new demos and interactive networking to more than 300 attendees from the Blockchain community.' << for a dead horse, it neighs pretty well
shinohai: I got into a 2-3 page lulzfest with Fenton abt Brock being a pedo, he defended him to the end
asciilifeform: lel, mr.pedo is still there
mircea_popescu: but whatever, next year it'll be tru.th or whatever $name-looking-for-something-to-be-the-name-of.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, remember the time when the fake "bitcoin foundation" was a thing ? noticed how it... sorta got dropped ? and nobody felt any strong compulsion to explain or inquire as to... why the fuck ? nor did this lack of intererst seemingly inform any self-examination along the lines of "if this thing could be dropped so easily, what consistency did it really have ???"
a111: Logged on 2017-03-20 15:46 phf: jeez, i like how they are not even trying. a bootstrap template one pager and a link to "bitcointalk thread"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes entirely. at least back in the day they were coming up with "coinbase" they put some effort into it.
ben_vulpes: is this another iceberg of dumb to ignore?
mircea_popescu: typical campbell soup can strategy. "please agree usg matters through the avenue of agreeing it's either usg.corp1 or else usg.corp2 ! engage the controversy!"
mircea_popescu: random usg "company" that's supposed to matter in the sense that idiots will pretend so.
asciilifeform: shinohai: fill me in re 'the blockstream agenda'
shinohai: I suppose BU feels that tmsr members must secretly support the blockstream agenda as well.
mircea_popescu: i suppose i needn't point out the correct verbal tense'd have been "the teen HAD disappeared". no tense left behind!
ben_vulpes: "The teen has disappeared once before but her mother says she was found later that day in a neighborhood park." heh
ben_vulpes: i must be a bad person to even be thinking about the ethnicities involved
mircea_popescu: shinohai i'm sure they'll "professionally" "handle" etc.
mircea_popescu: not even street urchins starve these days.
shinohai: Further lulz develop in the BU camp as nodes are crashing yet again: https://github.com/BitcoinUnlimited/BitcoinUnlimited/issues/386
asciilifeform: it's where they put'em.
Framedragger: would make sense to download more archives from commoncrawl from before january or wherever and to then grep for sensitive keywords but can't be bothered right now. sorry for teh hype
Framedragger: maybe there are some good keywords to search for sensitive material
ben_vulpes: yeah Framedragger where the keys at
Framedragger: (that said, could be some other reason. but lulzy)
asciilifeform: ( they still have spectacle, the shooting field, but exists somehow in parallel with the bus. )
asciilifeform: eh iirc the chinese have moar practical -- organ harvest bus
mircea_popescu: apparently... the civ tree WILL be walked.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the chinese have those trcuks now.
trinque: didn't the mob condemn your guy?
ben_vulpes: on one hand, i suppose the peasants may do whatever to each other. on the other, how dare you rob me of still-productive flesh?
ben_vulpes: rather hard to unwind a murderously-intent mob.
phf: one of recurring themes in burroughs
asciilifeform: iirc hangings were declared (i shit thee not) 'too sexy'
asciilifeform: trinque: i am rather fond of the thing they had in ye olde american south, 1950s, portable electric chair truck ( most towns were, apparently, too poor to afford their own permanent one )
trinque: no there has to be a monthly allocation of both for exactly that.
phf: villagers, they simply don't know what's a hygiene
trinque: asciilifeform: they're just.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, re the above http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-21#1630555 : the us "trillion dollar gdp" suddenly looks a lot less impressive once one figures out a road costs something like a quarter billion a track mile. dude what, so you built 50k miles of road in 2015 ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it'd be entertaining if one is ever caught and wired to the mains -- to learn wtf he thought he was doing here.