mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-27#1632867 << like all large size sweatshirts over at the america's mall hot topic, "oss" is fulla "women". they were "hippies" before and nobody noticed also.
mircea_popescu: girl hacker or no girl hacker it'll still be save the flying pandas, guns kill people, abortion doesn't kill people, can't say nigger and our democracy etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-27 18:29 phf: oh, that's different group though. it's the "girl hacker" community
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-27#1632866 << there's really no different groups among the soviets. they all have the same "stands" on the basis of the same "tru fax" etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-27 18:06 asciilifeform: ' Rich Felker Retweeted Adora Cheung @nolimits Mar 23 Last month another investor asked a female founder/CEO to search for a white male to replace her as CEO. Also uninvited.'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-27#1632843 << time to wake up to the fact that female / nonwhite ceos do not work. go with the flow, yo.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-27 16:48 asciilifeform: meanwhile, daniel bernstein ( of the smooth-parts-of-integers algo used in phuctor, and 1,001 other useful mathematical works ) is headed for gasenwagen: https://eindhoven.cr.yp.to/false-statements-by-henry-de-valence.txt
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-27#1632824 << i'm not actually gonna read the bs ; by the time they start with the "mistake" and "apologize" you know it's the wrong side of history speaking.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 17:34 asciilifeform: incidentally : asciilifeform's muscle memory never recovered, still has to look up the commands ~every~ ~single~ ~fucking~ time.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632806 << anyone ever told you you can kvetch with the best of them ? they have competitions for this in the borscht belt you know.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 16:10 asciilifeform: 'Hello asciilifeform I see on coin.dance/nodes , The Real Bitcoin is listed with the 'Emergent Consensus' feature tag. Could you tell me if that's accurate - will you follow a HF to > 1MB , and could you tell me anything about how it's implemented in TRB ? Thx!'
asciilifeform: mod6: imho manual knobs ~for unwedging~ are a fundamental mistake. nodes shouldn't be wedgeable, period. and the only use for a wedged node is to learn why it wedged and to make said scenario impossible in the future.
pete_dushenski: in other evils, why do 'muricans suck at math ? it's the teachers, dummy http://archive.is/mfd3i
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-28#1632901 << aha. goes by 'spyked'. regular commenter on trilema and even occasionally contravex, eg. http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/18/the-robot-tax/#comment-54654
asciilifeform: mod6: the knob isn't strictly necessay, you can pipe dumpblock into sha512
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> trinque: the mexicans, with their nominal christianity, iirc, seem to demolish the blacks wherever the turf wars include both. so maybe not so simple. << Aha, Catholic v. Protestant
mod6: meanwhile, I'll see what i can do in the next few days about putting together alf's suggested patch
asciilifeform: trinque: the mexicans, with their nominal christianity, iirc, seem to demolish the blacks wherever the turf wars include both. so maybe not so simple.
mod6: TomServo: as a side note, I've been watching MST for the first time. show is hilarious. i had no idea bout your nick. :]
trinque: that may be the one actual advantage with the black hoodie kids. if nothing else, they haven't got sky-dad keeping them up at night.
mod6: If you wanna work on something here quick, get familiar with dumpblock and dump the last 12 blocks for us perhaps.
asciilifeform: as orlol wrote, when someone asked 'how do i, typical office plankton, survive colapse' : 'for you -- there is not an answer. but you could try to become somebody else, a different kind of person , for whom there ~is~' or sumthinglikethat
asciilifeform: but at the very least -- not posting
asciilifeform: trinque: the folx who understood-why -- i suspect -- are not teaching pistol class, they are eating pistols
trinque: which is why he's got nothing but "no one will come to my pistol classes :(" at the end
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 20:47 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632355 << orlol discussed this, and it was 100% true, 'homo americanus' has some very serious damage that is very expensive to build prosthesis for -- he has no family , no friends, no one will lend him money other than at extortionate rates, has no one alive whom he could live with in small hut, 5 to 10 sq. metres, without killing one another
trinque: anyhow good article, but the guy overlooks the reason why, stated here the other day http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632388
mod6: we need a way to rebuild the index.
asciilifeform: this'd let you quickly compare the leading train of two nodes
mod6: ah, ok. thought you meant the header.
mod6: ah, yeah thats better. we don't need 69,000 blocks. just the last, probabaly 20.
asciilifeform: now, to slice it up to see wtf is even ~in~ the tip of his train -- yes!
asciilifeform: mod6: to unwedge? nope. the tx index will be out of sync with the block db, and you get soup
mod6: asciilifeform: I wonder iTomServo might try cutting off the latest blk#####.dat file? thoughts?
trinque: and obviously I'm not calling leadership a matter of humility. the narcissism is all through the ranks.
trinque: the most crippling of the day's mental disorders is narcissism. they, no matter which they, aren't going to follow *anyone*.
trinque: It’s not going to be armies, in pretty uniforms, fighting pitched, conventional battles. It’s going to be a matter of assassination, sabotage, hit-and-run raids, targeting ideological leadership figures, enemy families, etc. << I doubt this. Where are these leadership figures?
asciilifeform: sums up asciilifeform's pov on the rancher fizzle revolt etc.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'The Left has won far more dirty civil wars and insurgent conflicts than the Right has won. There are a host of reasons for this, but most notable is the aversion, on the Right, to give up the security of law-and-order. ' << tru!
TomServo: Ahoy, sorry for the delayed response and any confusion caused by pasting 'tail -f .bitcoin/debug.log | grep height' output rather than full debugs.
asciilifeform: (it isn't advertised on billboards, or in the times, and usually people find it by having face rubbed in it by friend)
phf: in practice last two times i was asked that, i knew the vadim etc. in question. it's still a funny question tho
doppler: how many were made altogether?
ben_vulpes: malice and negligence can put a hole below the waterline of immunity. and cps settles cases regularly.
asciilifeform: the 'go after' would have to be -- with an army.
asciilifeform: as ben_vulpes knows well, in usa bureaucrats have personal immunity for ~everything they do on the clock (unless they get purged by the party, in which case they become liable for anything and everything, but this helps you 0 )
ben_vulpes: can also attempt a mircea_popescu, and go after the cps officer in question personally for making shit up
ben_vulpes: moreover, this is why reading class signaling is a crucial skill for children. what, are they to ask for help from the haggard crone sitting outside the bodega in a wheelchair? get real
ben_vulpes: everyone even tangentially involved with the state is a "mandatory reporter", aka fucking narc.
ben_vulpes: the days of "cops and firefighters are your friends!" are looong fucking over.
ben_vulpes: "child, they will twist anything you say into a crime to take you away from me."
ben_vulpes: not teaching children about cps is a great way to get them taken away.
trinque: should've told him not to talk to the man first.
ben_vulpes: apparently children shouldn't worry about making judgements about the world. or maybe just some subset of the world. it's unclear, but i think it would be grand if we all skipped along thinking that everything is hunky-dory because who am i to judge?
ben_vulpes: i barfed at "this is wrong and teaches children all kinds of toxic ideas about class and judging other people"
shinohai "women" used loosely there
phf: oh, that's different group though. it's the "girl hacker" community
asciilifeform: all of the various 'bitcoin must stretch to fit africa' schemes
asciilifeform: to my very great surprise, no megablox propaganda in there. at least in past few mo. of posts.
asciilifeform: in the distant past.
asciilifeform: it's where people left their balls, trinque .
trinque: where's the pyramid corpse-pile? where's the blasting folks to their deaths in shoddy rockets?
asciilifeform: 'If you're spewing off BS about "diversity" and "empowering women" while direct-depositing $1000s into nazis' bank accts every 2 weeks... ...then you're part of the problem, not part of the solution.' didjaknow.
asciilifeform: 'Rich Felker @RichFelker Mar 10 "Literal nazi" is not a protected class you can't fire someone for being. So fire them.'
asciilifeform: 'Rich Felker Retweeted Melissa @0xabad1dea Mar 17 it is really morally messed up that my disability payments from the govt are directly based on what my salary was before I got sick'
asciilifeform: 'Rich Felker Retweeted Jessica Rose @jesslynnrose Mar 17 Conference organisers! If you have YouTube comments enabled on your talk videos, you need to keep an eye on moderating them. Forever.'
phf: oh yeah, youtube's "extremist content" is the hot subject of past few days
asciilifeform: ' Rich Felker Retweeted Adora Cheung @nolimits Mar 23 Last month another investor asked a female founder/CEO to search for a white male to replace her as CEO. Also uninvited.'
a111: Logged on 2017-03-27 16:52 asciilifeform: 'From my perspective you're making a choice to be on the wrong side of history.'
asciilifeform: 'From my perspective you're making a choice to be on the wrong side of history.'
asciilifeform: meanwhile, daniel bernstein ( of the smooth-parts-of-integers algo used in phuctor, and 1,001 other useful mathematical works ) is headed for gasenwagen: https://eindhoven.cr.yp.to/false-statements-by-henry-de-valence.txt
shinohai: "I'll find out who did this IF IT'S THE LAST THING I DO!!!!!"
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 16:21 shinohai: I'm gonna bring back Classic since I failed at the whole phoundation thing! https://t.co/lkp7gyYWsR
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/03/ceo-elizabeth-holmes-of-theranos-please-dont-sue-have-my-shares/ << Qntra - CEO Elizabeth Holmes Of Theranos: Please Don't Sue, Have My Shares
jhvh1: mod6: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: incidentally : asciilifeform's muscle memory never recovered, still has to look up the commands ~every~ ~single~ ~fucking~ time.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu's headache-inducing abolition of the short (!s etc) commands, was specifically about formally canceling there being such a thing as 'official log'
Framedragger: to reframe into a pragmatic context, my log doesn't and won't for the time being (busy af) have search. as regards its formal status, i don't know man, but i'll just keep maintaining it :)
Framedragger: (ftr my log is not the 'official' log)
deedbot: danielpbarron rated Framedragger 2 << hosts the official trilema log and is repsonsible for the epic ssh key phucktoring
asciilifeform: there is not a programmatic pill against http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis .
asciilifeform: perhaps this is a fairly obvious inference but bears restating for the l0gz.
asciilifeform: you can still spend in actual bitcoinland, what has been spend in shitcoinland -- bitcoin does not give half a fuck re what happens in the megablox
asciilifeform: this -- works. but the hose has TWO ends
asciilifeform: let's say gavin writes a forked client that incorporates the entirety of traditional bitcoin, and keeps both blockchains around, simply to refuse to spend any output that's been already spent somewhere in actual bitcoinland.
shinohai: I'm gonna bring back Classic since I failed at the whole phoundation thing! https://t.co/lkp7gyYWsR
Framedragger: (scriba should have an option to force rearchiving i suppose. it does tell me if it fails to submit to archive (if archive.is does not return 'ok'), but in this case as far as archive.is is concerned, it's been properly archived; the fact that the contens say 'wotpaste: nothing found' is not its problem.)
Framedragger: oh shite, says 'nothing found'. could it be that the ID had already been used long ago? i suppose so
asciilifeform: 'Hello asciilifeform I see on coin.dance/nodes , The Real Bitcoin is listed with the 'Emergent Consensus' feature tag. Could you tell me if that's accurate - will you follow a HF to > 1MB , and could you tell me anything about how it's implemented in TRB ? Thx!'
asciilifeform: in other noose,
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
jhvh1: shinohai: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
asciilifeform: and then realizing that it is not logic at all, it is liquishit
asciilifeform: because i hit against it while laboriously replicating the original logic in nqb,
asciilifeform: i.e. the orphaned blocks a particular node ~has seen~.
mp_en_viaje: it shouldn't be dribbled in the log.
asciilifeform: to elaborate : there is a serious disjunction between how reorg is supposed to work, on paper, and how it actually works.
mp_en_viaje: (the problem, to be clear, ~isnt~ that the fellow wants two streams mixed, but that he calls two streams "numbres". head clearly broken in undegrad places.)
asciilifeform: the other open seekrit re classical trb : and afaik applies equally to various prbs : there is no means whereby to introduce a martian reorg consisting of >1 block, such that it will actually get processed.
mp_en_viaje: "i want to add two numbers" "how large iwll they be ?" "i odn't know" "please go back to the end of the line, computing 101 door."
asciilifeform: idea being (and currently in 'nqb' asciilifeform is experimenting with the proportions) it is quite stupid to do reorg ops of open-endedly large size.
asciilifeform: did we ever do the bicameral ('nursery' vs 'adult') tx db thread ?
mp_en_viaje: o hey, check me out, all caught up with the logs and shit! nice.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 14:02 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632619 >> http://208.82.112.76 >> 'When we launched the first boutique portfolio of Argentine wines in 1999, we never imagined we’d be at the forefront of a wine revolution...'
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632622 <<< yeah, the morti di fame revolution. how to endure hunger while pretending to miami-ness
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, aha. it just you know, in the first 1k hours of auditing this it stuck up as the first point of failure. 2013 news.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 04:30 asciilifeform: ( didn't find deathray hidden under the floor, no. but also ruled out bad drams, so the mystery -- remained )
asciilifeform: ( for instance, enemy can quite easily fill your disk with well-formed but forkleted blocks -- they are never removed )
asciilifeform: i actually spent a good chunk of past 2 days making sense of the reorg logic
mp_en_viaje: yeah. i was always very suspicious of all reorgs. ie, if shit should hit hte fan, you'd expect it there.
asciilifeform: and the 'infinite sigs in finite box' thing is demonstrably nonsense.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, mmm, on contemplation the issue might just be mp logotron reports "failed reorg" when the purporting-to-generate-reorg block failed to actually verify. old prb/trb don't.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 15:09 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632408 << no, it is actually theoretically solid. quite as solid as the stuff we deem good crypto.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 04:20 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well at some point in the name of libertard equalitit DeBlasio is bound to openly approve of open defecation
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632587 << yep. i can almost see his retarded face while he shits somewhere on the pavements of astoria. "see, this is great." happy subhumans all around, and his pained sad "smile" hovering over them.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632576 << yeh, from all i hear nyc is a really sad hole these days.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-25 15:15 asciilifeform: my current understanding is that reorg can only fail if there is a catastrophic problem with db
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 21:28 trinque: I expect that the Snore signature is easily collided by some means; obviously I'm not sitting here with the exploit in hand.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632408 << no, it is actually theoretically solid. quite as solid as the stuff we deem good crypto.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, no but the idea here is for the "expansion" to be ulterior of the item it attacks and sold as an "improvement"
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc above was from the mit derps
a111: Logged on 2015-12-27 17:38 asciilifeform: 'It is about sending a strong message. I think we may need to start an accreditation scheme for Bitcoin-consensus compliant wallets and services. Through code signing and use of multisig, we can even distinguish transactions made by compliant wallets and non-compliant wallets, and have pools not mine them (or wallets refuse to send to known-non-compliant wallets).'
mp_en_viaje: the siberian river attack. FOR AFRICA!
mp_en_viaje: hanbot, hard to compete with the future baron titsbare eh ? gotta talk to lotta sluts.
mp_en_viaje: wuille comes along, "expands" for the africa box A. now the design is broken, in that item in B will correspond to both a and a'
hanbot: oh hey shinohai's got the spanisher txtspeek. i'll hafta study
mp_en_viaje: alf designs system whereby box A and box B are osmehow used. they are correctly designed to tandem : bitwise identical.
shinohai hopes they include mp's wonderful ornithological pics .....
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: expand plox re 'expand the downstream'
mp_en_viaje: (for the unfamiliar, siberian rivers flow the wrong way, melt at source before they melt downstream, causes some problems.)
mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".
asciilifeform: ( jurov might have details, he had some proprietary thing of his own that required a prb in the loop, complained of massive headaches )
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, this was re the "our new v 13 nodes will not accept blocks relayed by trb"
asciilifeform: as soon as they have with what, such that doesn't crash 5 min. in...
mp_en_viaje: hanbot, i could build you a list, but not right now. about 2/3 of the "who list o fessential medicines" say, or alternatively the inventory list of provincial hospital in 3rd world.
mp_en_viaje: compare eg antipolomyelitis vaccine, which saves ~5% of the population from being unable to locomote ; with ineptitudes like the recent vaccines which do nothing.
mp_en_viaje: similar in that they're not covered by "patents" in the usg misstatement of the concept ; similar in that they were originally produced by one man in his handmade lab glass ; similar in that they cost a quarter a yearly dose and solve an actual problem
mp_en_viaje: hanbot, there\s an entire list of medicine pre us becoming a thing.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 20:49 asciilifeform: also where does the 1k figure come from ? for what does a smallholder-farmer even need money.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, the striking thing a bout the afghani dwelling is that it's not a hut. it's a tower, if need be essentialized to a pillar, but basically a machinegun pillbox. AROUND IT like around the medieval castle the women's items, huts and bread ovens and children/goat/pig stys are build. but the dwelling is basically this donjon.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 20:47 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632355 << orlol discussed this, and it was 100% true, 'homo americanus' has some very serious damage that is very expensive to build prosthesis for -- he has no family , no friends, no one will lend him money other than at extortionate rates, has no one alive whom he could live with in small hut, 5 to 10 sq. metres, without killing one another
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632388 << this is actually a very fine statement of the problem. missing parts, expensive to build prosthetic for. quite exactly.
mp_en_viaje: nobody ups noobs anymore DO THEY!!11
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632619 >> http://208.82.112.76 >> 'When we launched the first boutique portfolio of Argentine wines in 1999, we never imagined we’d be at the forefront of a wine revolution...'
pete_dushenski: https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/17077598_816066928547618_8162672392150188032_n.jpg << very similar to tudor of my youth. i don't recall the numbers or hashes being illuminated at night now that i think about it. maaaaybe the hands though.
asciilifeform: ( didn't find deathray hidden under the floor, no. but also ruled out bad drams, so the mystery -- remained )
asciilifeform: oh it'd seem that i neglected to say why i had the geiger around -- was hunting for a reason why a certain box of mine was ringing ecc alarms
pete_dushenski: huh. but these were more used for clocks or wristwatches ? /me is no horological expert
pete_dushenski: more father but i have a couple. what's up ?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: you said 'rapidly turning into'. you're not backing that up if they've both always been the same.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well at some point in the name of libertard equalitit DeBlasio is bound to openly approve of open defecation
asciilifeform: there was a steering wheel, oddly, but rather like in a toy car, it was not connected to anything, just spun in place.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: rapidly eh ? how so ? last i checked 'supertall skinnies' were notwhere to be found in the brown box
pete_dushenski: in other "not there yet"s, one for ben_vulpes and his dreams of automolandia : https://www.recode.net/2017/3/16/14938116/uber-travis-kalanick-self-driving-internal-metrics-slow-progress (summary, human intervention required more than once per mile on average. hurr!) ford nucleon has better chances of mass production. or maybe ben wants to bet again ?
pete_dushenski: nah, just came across a link. never heard of the site before.
pete_dushenski: don't tell me, tell other kids on 'financial samurai'
pete_dushenski: it's indeed very painful to come to terms with how poor you really are when you discover that folks making 10-20x what you are ARE ALSO POOR. certainly not as poorly positioned, but not rolling out of bed and into silk house robes at 10am on a tuesday either. sucks.
pete_dushenski: in other struggles, there's some butthurt gold in these comments : http://www.financialsamurai.com/scraping-by-on-500000-a-year-high-income-earners-struggling/#comments
pete_dushenski: what appears to be a news story : https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/why-american-farmers-are-hacking-their-tractors-with-ukrainian-firmware
pete_dushenski: aaaaan stan beat me once again to the punch on the news break. by two days! (bad pete, don't skim logs so loosely). but the spoofcard angle is at least novel, as a construction if nothing else.
pete_dushenski: lo and behold, TRUMP IS RIGHT AGAIN. but do the haters recant ? hm ?
pete_dushenski: kid is obv jewish. but when trump goes on the record saying the 'sudden rise in anti-semitism' is a hoax, which it is, every epithet in the old testament is thrown at him by the adl and their cronies at nyt.
pete_dushenski: woman. And rather than use a traceable credit card or PayPal, the perpetrator paid for his Spoofcard in Bitcoin—another dead end. […] SpoofCard and services like it have plenty of legitimate users, such as undercover cops […] "When requested, we [Spoofcard] comply quickly and responsibly with lawful requests from all levels of law enforcement, and we have built specific tools to prevent abuse.”
pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/tXONX << "The suspect arrested Thursday for a wave of bomb threats against Jewish Community Centers in the United States employed an array of technologies, including Bitcoin and Google Voice, to make himself virtually untraceable for months […] Even the caller’s voice was anonymous—he used Spoofcard’s voice-changing option to make himself sound like a voice synthesizer imitating a
ben_vulpes: (just the web process)
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: for instance, it is a good habit to search for a topic in the logs, prior to asking after it.
asciilifeform: likewise, phf's ( the linked logtron ) has back-reference links ( when a line is mentioned, you can go from it, to the mentions ) and other conveniences (search, for instance.)
asciilifeform: between phf's logtron, Framedragger's, and ben_vulpes's -- ~100% coverage. unlike, say, your own connection plus the particular fleanode box it may happen to be on.
asciilifeform: folks coming from heathendom, who 'oh i'll lurk', despite being shown the logs, remind me of fresh-off-the-boat emigres from east asia who will come to somebody's house and then insist on trying to balance with their legs on the toilet, 'just like back home'
shinohai: Cool, there are like almost NO lurkers here
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell TomServo also your 'recovery' debug.log doesn't seem to be one -- there are no block acceptance messages therein
asciilifeform: ^ the opening shot.
asciilifeform: my current understanding is that reorg can only fail if there is a catastrophic problem with db
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell TomServo you were right, it wasn't the clock, the original log is monotonic ( probably oughta post it publicly ) -- the boojum is a failed reorg, and it is impossible to say why it failed, could be disk rot.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, somebody must've read mircea_popescu's story with the bus seats : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KakyqmG9XHs
trinque: lemme see what was in the original export
TomServo: Before my voice goes, trinque how do I get unwiped from the wot?
asciilifeform: at any rate imho the log paste nails it, case closed.
asciilifeform: alternatively you can write the perl script to find when your clock ran backwards, yourself.
asciilifeform: TomServo: odd, i don't see anything re timestamps in there
ben_vulpes: yeah i see it now. the ~~ ~~ confused me.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: these two pastes are supposed to be from same debug.log
asciilifeform: hence the block rejection.
TomServo: I just tail for height, I'm going through the whole debug now.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 21:40 TomServo: I was just curious if anyone else saw this in there trb, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WRtLs/?raw=true
asciilifeform: and how did you come up with these pastes ? shouldn't the 03/20/17 01:19:27 and 03/20/17 01:19:28 piece have appeared INSIDE the one at http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632424 ?
asciilifeform: prior to the 1st segment ? or after ?
asciilifeform: TomServo: what happened when you restarted ? post the first MB or so of log after the restart.
TomServo: asciilifeform: time is okay, other than trb logs being gmt system is cdt. disk okay. Yes, earliest.
asciilifeform: look for the earliest mention, and also for 'Reorganize failed' and 'ConnectBlock failed', and post plz.
asciilifeform: TomServo: is the linked snippet the earliest occurrence of the string InvalidChainFound in your debug.log ?
asciilifeform: check also that the disk is not full.
asciilifeform: not found any such thing on either of my nodes.
TomServo: their*
TomServo: Didn't see mention in the logs.
TomServo: I was just curious if anyone else saw this in there trb, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WRtLs/?raw=true
TomServo: Ahoy there.
asciilifeform: 'what the hell do you want with those old blocks, terrorist'
trinque: lulk, no problem then
trinque: it's not clear; they propose replacing the existing signature checking OPs entirely, so maybe the crackpot idea is schnorr past certain block
asciilifeform: though there's nothing to keep crackpot alts from wrapping whatever they want around existing sigs
trinque: they say in the article that they would want to convert the whole existing chain to this scheme
trinque: and that the intent is to be able to malleate transactions into multisig
trinque: I expect that the Snore signature is easily collided by some means; obviously I'm not sitting here with the exploit in hand.
a111: Logged on 2015-12-27 17:38 asciilifeform: 'It is about sending a strong message. I think we may need to start an accreditation scheme for Bitcoin-consensus compliant wallets and services. Through code signing and use of multisig, we can even distinguish transactions made by compliant wallets and non-compliant wallets, and have pools not mine them (or wallets refuse to send to known-non-compliant wallets).'
trinque: and I take the above to mean they'd be able to craft multi-sig transactions that are signature equivalent to a single-sig I create.
asciilifeform: trinque: it's a multilayered shit-sandwich: aside from the crackpot 'infinite number of sigs in finite sized crate' aspect entirely:
trinque: "From a privacy standpoint, Schnorr allows the entire policy of the multisig to be obscured and indistinguishable from a conventional single pubkey." << and what happens when the indistinguishability flows the other way...
asciilifeform: also where does the 1k figure come from ? for what does a smallholder-farmer even need money.
asciilifeform: in the form of imposed 'living expenses.'
asciilifeform: the other end of it is that the afghani has no printing press dumping usd on him by the megatonne. and if he did -- someone would collect it back , yes
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632355 << orlol discussed this, and it was 100% true, 'homo americanus' has some very serious damage that is very expensive to build prosthesis for -- he has no family , no friends, no one will lend him money other than at extortionate rates, has no one alive whom he could live with in small hut, 5 to 10 sq. metres, without killing one another
trinque: isn't bless the "make bootable" thinger on a mac?
asciilifeform: in other lulz, ACHTUNG s.nsa customers! aaalmost all FUCKGOATS -- shipped
ben_vulpes: and it looks like we're stuck with the aca.
ben_vulpes: in other stale lolz: http://nypost.com/2017/03/01/rachel-dolezal-changes-her-name-to-west-african-moniker/
mircea_popescu: "but mp, she wasn't in the situation room!!11" hurr.