diana_coman: anyways, otherwise so far it would seem my logger will end up ...in Moldova
diana_coman: they claim on the site that they have "other bunkers" ; now if those are not as much bunkers as ordinary dc...
asciilifeform: iirc later on came out that the keeper still claims to own the bunker, but machines nao sit in some cheapo ordinary dc.
diana_coman: seems like an overkill for a logger but from all I can find about them I really like those guys www.cyberbunker.com/web/swat.php
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty for the good news
mircea_popescu: (hi all from ye olde temeswar. i will be here for a few days, then thurs-ish sibiu and then brasov for the weekend.)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 23:26:22 trinque: meanwhile I'm over here writing this denuding, batshit piece. I think what's funny to me about lobbes is he may be the exact counterpoint to my narcissism
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1931140 << might be the best promo for a piece being weritten i've yet seen. defo would reat that then!
mircea_popescu: nfi why the weakass jwzs keep bending over for it, too.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 21:45:44 trinque: it's the original dood after he gave gentoo over to the committee
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1931127 << at some point the cocksuckers (true to form, see eg nonsense arguments as to "why did symbolics thinking men need mit") actually went to trouble to BUY the damn things. then brief period where "bought", with leafmoney, like esr's experience. and by now, they literally just expect to take over "by committee".
asciilifeform: the new plants will have proper ventilation, no moar flea market box fan.
asciilifeform: hunting presently for rails, ps, an' the remaining boxen
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've ordered 1u carcasses for the rk and apu1 plants , and will be machining the fittings for the internals in the next weeks.
trinque: meanwhile I'm over here writing this denuding, batshit piece. I think what's funny to me about lobbes is he may be the exact counterpoint to my narcissism
trinque: > and also ingesting the ashes throughout as he puffed it down
feedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/08/charting-the-charlotte-bdsm-scene-part-one-capex/ << lobbesblog -- Charting the Charlotte BDSM Scene, Part One: CAPEX
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: almost interesting how monotonously 'same' these 'funtoos' are.
BingoBoingo: And right below that: "Keychain helps you to manage SSH and GPG keys in a convenient and secure manner. It acts as a front-end to ssh-agent and ssh-add, but allows you to easily have one long running ssh-agent process per system, rather than the norm of one ssh-agent per login session."
asciilifeform: had, apparently, the nerve, to 'after', lol
trinque: that's what was lost y'see, the fun
trinque: had the src build story
asciilifeform: ( iirc ian m. wasn't shot till '15. but was already long vegetable by then )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 23:35:44 asciilifeform: meanwhile: today's trilemalotto .
BingoBoingo: <trinque> they want to watch HBO from lithuania or w/e << More to the point they want to watch US HBO/Netflix/etc from wherever rather than the local mirrors on their own ISP's network
asciilifeform: me neither (and if anyone can think of a 3rd variant that i've omitted, plox to write in.)
trinque: maybe you, the operator of the service, do know what happens on it. maybe your covenant is to *not* share pipes with pedobearpig. it's all about muh datas and muh privacies, you see.
asciilifeform: trinque: i'm actually all for offering it as a preconfigged variant of rk . my objections were 100% re the traditional variant, where all packets nominally become part of an indistinct outgoing soup via 1 shared ip.
trinque: trying the vpn thing is cheap, could be done easily while you still have coffers to try something else
trinque: he doesn't want to talk to the stinky poor
trinque: I dunno man, that metaphor went way off the rails
trinque: the lulzy thing is your contempt for the lulcow could be reoriented *around* the milking, instead of lactose-intolerance
trinque: asciilifeform: I want to have a discussion that takes longer than the enumeration of your preconceptions.
mircea_popescu: this is kinda the bw-intensive use, and obv uy is no good for this
trinque: they want to watch HBO from lithuania or w/e
trinque: the kids don't even torrent anymore
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you put smtp on it ?!
mircea_popescu: nobody handles email by hand anymore, wtf, everyone is on google. if some douche wants you to install smtp on the shared server you just frown.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for my education, work through example where vpn customer starts sending spam. how do i even determine ~which one it was~ w/out loudly and publicly breaking the promise to the customers which makes the idea of relay appealing to start with ?
mircea_popescu: ONLY thing is, gotta talk to people. and tell them "here, is a thing, USE IT!".
mircea_popescu: but this'd be a marked improvement over the stiuation where you got no user at all.
mircea_popescu: in the EXTREMELY unlikely case you actually get a user you don't want, can just rate and move on.
trinque: if I can go briefly upstack, the proposal from me is to try things. vpn is just the first thing that came to mind.
mircea_popescu: and isntead sit there and wank idiotically about what is little mroe than "what i read in playboy letters".
mircea_popescu: why do you stubornly refuse to see, internalize and use the working process, notwithstanding it was both explained and displayed for your examination
mircea_popescu: the last time anyone came even vaguely remotely close to anything like that, danielpbarron got his walking papers and the problem went away the same day.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:22:59 asciilifeform: ( and if yer running a vpnism that tries to fulfill promise of 'no logs', you won't even know which user it was on acct of whom the upstream plug pulled )
asciilifeform: spammers, however, sadly do exist, and pose the obvious headache, the vendor that'll supply bw for ~arbitrary~ packets, no matter of what, does not afaik exist (outside of perhaps pyongyang]
mircea_popescu: then again black dudes regularly come out ~average wrt penis sizes, seems to do nothing for the meme.
mircea_popescu: it is quite unlikely anything like the usg socio-politico-legalo-wankist notion of "pedophile" exists in reality, yes.
asciilifeform: trinque: i'm not even convinced that 'pedos' in the contemplated sense , physically exist. it's simply the costume usg puts on when bulldozing isps.
trinque: there are statistically no pedos
trinque: the "it'll all be pedo traffic" is the other end of the "my precious children, can't let 'em bike down the street"
mircea_popescu: not "what you'd do in their place", not "what's good for them", "logical" or otherwise.
mircea_popescu: cuz you're nto talking to them
asciilifeform: then wainot !
asciilifeform: trinque: could easily offer e.g. rk w/ preconfigged whatevers. but do you suppose these '20s' will pay 70 $ for 10kB/s , instead of lulazon's 3 $ / 100MB/s ?
trinque: if it isn't a red dot they tap and that's it, they're not doing it. and you have nobody else to farm.
trinque: no, there is no market of you
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:05:14 asciilifeform: observe that a literate user leasing a whole box, can trivially use it to forward his packets wherever. but turn-key 'service' of this, draws 9000 units of fire for erry unit of profit, by attracting the redditus. there's a reason why all existing vpnisms are honeypots , underwritten by usg moar or less directly.
mircea_popescu: you're allowing yourself to be misdirected. just get the peopel looking for the item called "vpn" in empire universe on a rk or w/e the actual item is
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the economics of selling vpnism relays
trinque: I'm not trying to insult you, but this is exactly the "and anyway if I did" loop.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rright, all except for the inevitable customer who opens 'pedo paradise' and incurs 12,000 $ worth of bill
trinque: I'm criticizing the approach.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, the part you're missing is that the entire array is not made out of the one-worst-apple
asciilifeform: trinque: maybe i'ma tard ? where in free world do i buy for 3 $ the GB/s bandwidth i can then sell to a weev for 3 $ ?
trinque: as for the "checks from washington" I think you bring your soviet experience into these things without first going and looking
asciilifeform: trinque: i haven't even touched on the ethical q of whether one ought to help usg herd the illiterate 'weevs' into gasenwagen by peddling faux-'anonimities'. disputing rather the very idea that ~anyone~ actually turns a profit in 'vpnism' other than by cashing cheques directly from washington.
asciilifeform: trinque: dun mistake asciilifeform's pos. for 'it is loathesome, ergo i want no part in selling'. rather, describing why the product only even appears to exist because is convenient bait for usg fish hooks in the 1st place. consider, how could supply a warez bandwidth for people who expect to pay 3 $ / mo ? i dun even know if possible to supply a length of rope with which they can hang selves, for 3 $ !
trinque: there are not enough yous to fill a bowling hall
snsabot: Logged on 2016-08-07 12:36:39 a111: Logged on 2014-11-26 04:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at one point i needed some conductive cloth (the kind with silver strands) for an experiment. to my great surprise, i discovered that there is a large manufacturer in usa, and they do brisk business with folks suffering from precisely the kind of phobia described in decimation's link.
asciilifeform: btw, for n00bz : try some time and actually subscribe to a 'vpnism'. you'll quickly see 9000 spam/day offering other products for the irredeemably-gullible, same as if you order 'colloid silver' or similar snake oil. it's a conveniently-affixed leper's bell on obvious, broad-daylight scamola of erry kind, they trade lists of chumps
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform is solidly convinced that vpnism, aka 'hide my ip!1111' derpery, is a fundamentally braindamaged 'solution' to a fundamentally misconceived problem. (to which the 1 and only possible ~actual~ solution is a 100% gossipd-style net which treats the older ip net the way the latter treats ethernet & co.)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 13:20:14 BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wyswl/?raw=true << Their list of gateways shows what one would come to expect from shitgnomes. Clustered around places where USG already clusters their stuff, which... is probably the only way to build a VPN service that offers speed. This means UCI, sucking off the enemy, or a sad indefensible inbetween.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1931008 << for extra lulz, no e.g. ru in the list. ( and in fact whole list consists of a) nato reich b) quasi-satellites, e.g. brazil/india )
mircea_popescu: so far the bar seems more in the vein of the exact opposite, "seeking to hide imperfection"
BingoBoingo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wyswl/?raw=true << Their list of gateways shows what one would come to expect from shitgnomes. Clustered around places where USG already clusters their stuff, which... is probably the only way to build a VPN service that offers speed. This means UCI, sucking off the enemy, or a sad indefensible inbetween.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is that a negative ?
mircea_popescu: but that's the fucking gain. "o look, i made a mistake".
diana_coman: other people's signatures are good and wanted but that's about as much as it seems to go so far.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: lolz; but leaving the examples aside a bit, it seems to me that there is currently a lack of incentive to signing; basically people perceive it more as a liability (perhaps: I signed that and...what if I'm wrong/made a mistake??) than a gain;
BingoBoingo: http://archive.is/wPG7p << 3.33 USD monthly paid annually from the USG folks that stick their ads everywhere that should know better
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:08:42 asciilifeform: trinque: that being said, mircea_popescu's 'uci' is prolly closest thing to 'sane vpn'. but not exactly in scope of piz, we dun have a fleet of 1e6 pwned boxen or anyffin of the kind.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1930847 << This is my understanding of the VPN thing. It's a market that demands Germany's subway tunnels of fiber because folks want to eat all the torrents they can through them.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the tree trunk in asciilifeform's eye, the mote in other's, simply examples!111
diana_coman: well yes, that is pretty much a given as soon as one starts doing useful stuff; but it still implies that signatures on *other people's* stuff are back of the queue while at the same time you see lack of signatures on your stuff as "nobody reads!"
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this aint even the most egregious example, there's trb patches ~by asciilifeform~ that have since been reground that iirc i haven't signed yet
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1930963 << dug through logs, tryin' to recall whothefuck was princessnell and how merited this 'honour', found ~0 -- must've been in 'era 1'
diana_coman: asciilifeform: while ^ is true, signatures seem to be more than "lack of time" though; afaik you read EuCrypt and actually satisfied yourself re MR implementation for instance but I don't recall any signatures from you - or did I just miss them?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wasn't even thinking of the maculature, but of e.g. fact that thus far only asciilifeform has signed the logger . shortage of time does not disappear once subtracted the maculature.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that it is ; which is how you end up with entire swathes of maculature (usg "scientific research" or "news media" as prime examples) rejected out of hand.
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/08/25/the-new-old-vilnius-of-2019/ << Ossa Sepia -- The New Old Vilnius of 2019
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1930942 << nao, shortage is instead time, in which to read, rather than ink.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 08:10:15 mircea_popescu: i suppose this "document success only" heuristic is the one most poisonous gift society has to offer.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 07:37:57 mircea_popescu: NOTHING interesting turned up. i don't mean, "low five figures' worth of interesting". not a benjie's worth. feeding the-horde-that-expects-to-be-fed is not merely -ev. it is 0ev.)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1930912 << approx same as feeding pigeons in the park
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 07:32:56 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930831 << yes, but there's WAY the fuck better payoff for that "week or two" of effort than wiping a pizarro disk
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 07:31:06 mircea_popescu: this "Solve problems as you run into them, anything else is premature optimization" groove's apparently very easy to slip out of, but it is TRT.
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/08/localbitcoins-cracked-corn-and-i-dont-care/ << The Whet -- Localbitcoins cracked corn, and I don't care.
mircea_popescu: is the rating broken ?
mircea_popescu: if every wanna-be corp out there actually followed their model, shit would actually work!
mircea_popescu: and lemme say i can't recommend namesilo enough. they turned out to be exactly the needed pill, but their bitcoin integration is actually so good, it interfaces with deedbot directly!
mircea_popescu: it's the pinnacle of stupid to go "now that we do, we dun wanna".
mircea_popescu: but yes, historically, this was the longest held and dearest desire of all thinking men buried before we came :
spyked: mircea_popescu, agreed. it's also what newton et al. used as a method and what academia could (I guess) have been if it hadn't devolved into the current shitshow.
mircea_popescu: spyked, it's just the secular, momentuous change of detaching documentation from success and attaching it to activitry plain and simple that's the major significance of current it.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this "document success only" heuristic is the one most poisonous gift society has to offer.
mircea_popescu: that's the logic : if it's worth doing, it's worth doing human-ly, which is to say reviewably ; and since one can't claim entire classes of fundamentals aren't wroth doing, the absence of X or Y topic is significant of weakness.
mircea_popescu: there's no specific rule that documentation must be limited to success.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 00:28:22 trinque: it's not IRC trivia that drives me away from you lot. it's the bizzare godman worship with *no intent whatsoever* to put in the work to make a red cent.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 09:53:42 trinque: on the blog front, I've got some weird brewing in response to the tlp seroquel annotation.
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930601 <-- the way I read mircea_popescu's comment re. blog was "if you're doing something interesting, then it's worth documenting". e.g. I know zilch about making red cents and would read if trinque found it worthwhile to write about his experience.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-07-27 12:51:02 mp_en_viaje: as far as your practical example : do not genesis parts ; include the 12 things in yoru genersis if they are needed.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 03:10:54 ave1_away: as for sjlj + gnat, I've been thinking about it more. Next week I'll bite the bullet and genesis gcc firt.
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1930885 <-- imho the right thing would be to eventually steal "everything". i'ma definitely do that for hunchentoot, tho I expect it'll take a while, given that I keep stumbling upon binaries and utfisms in these coads
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 03:10:54 ave1_away: as for sjlj + gnat, I've been thinking about it more. Next week I'll bite the bullet and genesis gcc firt.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 03:01:02 diana_coman: hm, not sure I follow what's the breakpoint of drive-trust at 100km
mircea_popescu: oh. keks, we missed each other in ukrlands. how didja like kiev ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 02:45:24 ave1_away: diana_coman: thx! I'm currently in the carpathian mountains, enjoying nature here
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:22:59 asciilifeform: ( and if yer running a vpnism that tries to fulfill promise of 'no logs', you won't even know which user it was on acct of whom the upstream plug pulled )
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-25#1930856 << yes. the empire of stupid may be ~ultimately~ stupid, but up to there it's constructively stupid, can't just wade in head on
mircea_popescu: it was, i guess, sorta pleasant to see the thing keep the pipe full at all times, 100s of conns, if you do the math that's 4232690270208000 bytes' worth of good films i contributed to the ethers.
mircea_popescu: NOTHING interesting turned up. i don't mean, "low five figures' worth of interesting". not a benjie's worth. feeding the-horde-that-expects-to-be-fed is not merely -ev. it is 0ev.)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-25 00:18:11 asciilifeform: most immediately yes. current pipe would comfortably seat -- and that's if it were otherwise empty -- perhaps 4 or 5 warez leechers
mircea_popescu: all they need to say is hi!
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930831 << yes, but there's WAY the fuck better payoff for that "week or two" of effort than wiping a pizarro disk
mircea_popescu: all it wants is the hitlog.
mircea_popescu: re awstats : there's no rule you gotta run it on the machine i nquestion. awstats will process ~any~ log in most standard formats, can just have an awstats box.
mircea_popescu: this "Solve problems as you run into them, anything else is premature optimization" groove's apparently very easy to slip out of, but it is TRT.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 23:45:07 trinque: moreover are there enough customers that care?
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930823 << this is the golden ticket here.
diana_coman: ave1_away: well, the build script requires all sorts so it makes sense to have as genesis a complete starting point if possible
ave1_away: and then have diffs of patch files
ave1_away: somehow, I was think that I should genesis the build script first
ave1_away: as for sjlj + gnat, I've been thinking about it more. Next week I'll bite the bullet and genesis gcc firt.
diana_coman: heh, comes with nice meal from wood fire (and the smoke too, came instantly to mind )
ave1_away: Currenlty we've been using the train for long distance
ave1_away: well, drive locally where they know their way vs drive further, 100km simply magical cutt-off in my brain
diana_coman: hm, not sure I follow what's the breakpoint of drive-trust at 100km
ave1_away: even with all the walking, I'm fattening up nicely
ave1_away: My days this week will be very much; get up / shower, enjoy big breakfast, enjoy long walk in the mountains, swimming, nice meal from wood fire, get to bed and fall asleep immediately
diana_coman: ave1_away: taxis shouldn't be all that expensive either
ave1_away: diana_coman: thx! I'm currently in the carpathian mountains, enjoying nature here
asciilifeform: ty for picking up the puzzler. fwiw i think erry day about it, but not made anyffin that could be termed breakthrough.
asciilifeform: ( aand w/ errybody involved having already left 'the big zone'. )
asciilifeform: i entirely wouldnt mind trying to serve that market; but suspect that it would need to be done from pyongyang, rather than montevideo.
asciilifeform: ( and if yer running a vpnism that tries to fulfill promise of 'no logs', you won't even know which user it was on acct of whom the upstream plug pulled )
asciilifeform: this also touches so far strictly cost of pipe, and omits cost of disposal of the 1st 'genius' who starts serving 'pedo club' or spam emporium or whatever other attractive nuisance via his acct
asciilifeform: most immediately yes. current pipe would comfortably seat -- and that's if it were otherwise empty -- perhaps 4 or 5 warez leechers
trinque: current limiter is the lack of fat pipe, eh?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 23:57:09 trinque: I'm not addressing whether he actually needs a VPN, but how hard is it to take p crypto and make a VPN?
asciilifeform: trinque: that being said, mircea_popescu's 'uci' is prolly closest thing to 'sane vpn'. but not exactly in scope of piz, we dun have a fleet of 1e6 pwned boxen or anyffin of the kind.
asciilifeform: observe that a literate user leasing a whole box, can trivially use it to forward his packets wherever. but turn-key 'service' of this, draws 9000 units of fire for erry unit of profit, by attracting the redditus. there's a reason why all existing vpnisms are honeypots , underwritten by usg moar or less directly.
asciilifeform: there's defo a... market, for vpnism, just like there is a market for 'mail drops' to relay goods bought with stolen cc's, etc. just not clear that it's a market you'd want to be involved in.
trinque: I'm curious whether there's a market for the VPN item. gets the republican network layer paid for, if so.
trinque: laughed my ass off when he asked me whether some shitcoin was any good. at least he asks!
trinque: I'm not addressing whether he actually needs a VPN, but how hard is it to take p crypto and make a VPN?
trinque: my dear old dad never once asked me whether he needed a server, but he has asked me whether he should have a VPN
asciilifeform: trinque: atm there is 'wp service'. can't presently think what else could offer
asciilifeform: reliably good for 5-6 lethal 0day erry month, these
trinque: ever considered offering specific services rather than commodity server boxen?
asciilifeform: and, moreover, leave 0 footprint of just-which user set off the boojum.
trinque: just depends on where you want the bar
asciilifeform: trinque: the namespaces thing does 0 against kernel privescs. which are ~dime/dozen.
trinque: could just use the linux "namespaces" thing
asciilifeform: trinque: was thinking of vandalism-isolation, rather than cryptologic.
trinque: moreover are there enough customers that care?
trinque: I mean, my inner emulated asciilifeform says there's no such thing as isolated sessions on shared hardware
trinque: have awstats on the site or anything?
asciilifeform: meanwhile: today's trilemalotto .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 10:31:24 mircea_popescu: there's literally no limit in anyone's way and all i hear for the past month is butthurt over "abuse" "cults" "worship" etcetera. what the fuck already, whole idea's a) do something ; b) show people ; c) get ~useful~ feedback. this cycle ALWAYS worked to date, no exception, so the common mind response's to... stop engaging ? what, is failure such a delightful thing gotta SOMEHOW ensure it ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 10:22:53 mircea_popescu: if you'd be interested in helping out on that front, it'll prolly be best if you actually get involved in the partnership outright. none of this "fix the website copy" "helping", erryone wants to do the "helping" of employees whereas republic needs independent men not wage slave wannabe's.
asciilifeform: interesting -- i'd have naively imagined that'd use n2 or other cheap unreactive gas
asciilifeform: isobutane supposedly evenmoar efficient, in theory.
asciilifeform: aa, was kiev .
asciilifeform: ( thought it was in the 1st warsaw phototour but apparently not.. )
asciilifeform: hrm can't seem to find ~that~ ac in o(1) either..
asciilifeform: aha. but iirc was already the brominated cfc
mircea_popescu: did you see the shots of fuck you we use cfc unit ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-07-18 23:05:37 asciilifeform: in other lulzy orc tech: that lolconditioner apparently has even moar interesting misfeature : no drain. yes. exhaust fan has paddle that is supposed to throw water from condensate pan through the hot-end grille. (i.e. sounds at all times like running faucet. and , reportedly, guaranteed to grow black mold and eventually leak into room... )
nicoleci: mircea_popescu, haha thanks & maybe he should get his own post, spread the word on lovage
BingoBoingo: That's a win right there.
mircea_popescu: in other subtle perfections, the dude who supervised installing my ac arranged for the condensation drip to go straight into my lovage bush
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, but I'lll have to watch the movie now
mircea_popescu: in which i wonder whether BingoBoingo is actually named for the adriano celentano movie
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-can-the-court-force-treatment-on-jared-loughner-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Can The Court Force Treatment on Jared Loughner? Adnotated.
asciilifeform: afaik lobbes is the current champ in 'replicate asciilifeform's logger' , has working copy, and i expect will say moar later
asciilifeform: ( ~eating~ 1 of these, takes ~10min. cuz pg gotta regenerate the indices, naturally )
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930756 << ftr, right nao it loox like : pg_dump nsalog | gzip > /home/nsabot/log_db.gz; and on dulap , eats <8sec . ( getting the output to other boxes, however... )
asciilifeform: ^ was actually the 1st nontrivial proggy asciilifeform wrote in ada, just prior to picking up ffa
snsabot: Logged on 2018-10-25 22:14:23 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gnat bugs : apparently ( and this is documented or mentioned nowhere ) : it is impossible to have a Ada.Finalization.Limited_Controlled type ANYWHERE inside a static library, unless it is generic all the way down (i.e. if the lib package is generic, any sub-packages must also be instantiated as generics )
lobbes: plus with grep I'd imagine you open the door to 'rce' vulnerabilities. vs a sqlite db you can have trivial backups
asciilifeform: tbf could actually work for a rather long time -- the collective mass of the 6 chans logged by snsabot is atm <100MB
asciilifeform: iirc phf didn't bother with indexing, simply kept all of log in memory and did equiv. of grep. but this only scales to a point.
asciilifeform: ( the <1s search folx are accustomed to, aint happening with straight grepism )
asciilifeform: lobbes: this would decouple entirely bot from db. but i left it alone, preferring to get working variant out the door asap
asciilifeform: lobbes: i have a (not mature) variant of the bot, where all sqlism is removed, and when encounters new line it makes a 'post' req to a set url (that answers only on localhost) on the other end, instead of writing to db
lobbes: true. for the bot I think I may just take asciilifeform's item and hack it to use sqlite
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 13:27:32 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930619 << I am attempting to bake a 'logotron_lite' that will spit out static html logs from ZNC/irssi logs in the style of the classic #e logs, but without needing the pyturds used in the heathen irclog2html
asciilifeform: right, he went all around the city and bloodhounded. BingoBoingo plox to update mircea_popescu re findings.
asciilifeform: he seems to keep up to date with the local real estate map, even.
mircea_popescu: so then, if you like it, go scout for a house ?
lobbes: I remember asciilifeform raving over the cheese
mircea_popescu: i for some reason had the impression you rather didn't. nfi why, couldn't point to anything.
mircea_popescu: it's the natural progression, no ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 13:36:24 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't necessarily mind owning some uy real estate, if its actually being used by the lordship.
mircea_popescu: well then, enjoy.
lobbes: went to my first 'munch' as they call it a few days ago; met some cool enough people at least. got another one today in a few hours. will see!
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 13:28:08 lobbes: I've begun charting the local bdsm scene here in charlotte for e.g., so who knows, that may yield fruit or it may not. Trying to get out of my shell and meet people who know things and do some meat networking locally for the time-being (this will all be in a blog post(s) once I do enough initial charting). Aside from that, financially speaking my short-term actions will be to keep my expenses low and
mircea_popescu is rooting for peruana nevertheless.
BingoBoingo: As the Peruana learns English she runs into many "Uruguayo pretends to know English" traps. She's still got quite a ways to go before getting a a key and being genesis'd into Republican personhood.
BingoBoingo: While shop can be a verb or noun in English, with shopping a clear conjugation of the verb shop... Here, shopping is the noun and WTF is a shop.
BingoBoingo: Here they just randomly adopt English words and put attach wildly different meanings to them.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's the English word they stole to mean something. The way credit reporting works here for individuals, all they can say is whether the person in question is in default or not.
BingoBoingo: lobbes: All any fiatists in Uruguay care about here is whether you are in "clearing" or not. If you pay your Uruguay bills, you stay out of clearing and all is good. You don't pay your Uruguay bills, you go in clearing and outer barrio sadness awaits.
mircea_popescu: anyway, these are large questions and nobody can answer for you, so don't take lightly.
mircea_popescu: lobbes, generally they'll take a renegotiation, but basically... not depending on reich is always better than depending.
BingoBoingo: <lobbes> really, all of my 'school debts' in the same manner could just... well disappear << They do
lobbes: really, all of my 'school debts' in the same manner could just... well disappear
mircea_popescu: as an added benefit, if your mortage's underwater, you can just walk away. mail the bank the keys and that's that.
mircea_popescu: but all these are ifs, naught else
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't necessarily mind owning some uy real estate, if its actually being used by the lordship.
mircea_popescu: on my end, IF you actually like it there i guess we could start a little republican coven, buy a house and have more convenient anchoring.