ben_vulpes to lie in the sun with rose and rosy cheeks
ben_vulpes: "but a ton is an absurd amalgamation of other retarded units like chains and furlongs!"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes one day ima put one of these fucks in stocks and whip them until they either die or meaningfully explain what "take full responsibility" is supposed to FUCKING EVEN BE!
mircea_popescu: "we thought we were ready but then it turns out we never ever did any of those 6th grade math problems, with the three faucets and the tub"
ben_vulpes: well no mircea_popescu also security couldn't cope! they worried! how can you calculate the security numbers, you dragon you?
mircea_popescu: and then "The busses couldn't cope". motherfucking mental defective! the busses COME WITH NUMBERS. $capacity. $speed. you can CALCULATE
ben_vulpes: put down two and it'd oscillate between them.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and the idiotic, illiterate shamanism of it all. "we chartered 737 planes to shuttle guests from miami". wtf, that many ? oh no wait, it's not a number, IT IS A NAME.
ben_vulpes: this girl had a particularly dumb cat once upon a time. couldn't handle boxes, but had to sit on anything rectilinear on the floor.
ben_vulpes: i saw them on tv once!
ben_vulpes: they brought an waambleance from ny
mircea_popescu: wtf is this even, a passion for the ocean.
ben_vulpes: i can't imagine ja rule's passion for the ocean extends past terra yacht-a
mircea_popescu: "from the ground up" is in there, too. i'm giving even odds for "sweat blood and tears".
mircea_popescu: "starting a viral campaign". IT CAN ONLY BE VIRAL AFTERWARDS. you don't fucking START it that way jesus christ these morons.
mircea_popescu: "passions" for you know, "technology", "the ocean" and "music". because that's how this fucking works, there's a large jar called "passions" and you pick m&m's from there. they're all the fucking same.
mircea_popescu: somehow if "it was very challenging" for "we all" then it's no longer supposed to be the case that you pissed off the wrong guy and now sleep with the fishes, amirite ?
ben_vulpes: beating the "making individual problems into group problems" meme into millenials heads
mircea_popescu: socialists and the group defence already.
mircea_popescu: the shitstain. "all of us" ? how about you don't inflate away my inconvenience in a pile of dubious matter of unclear provenance wtf bullshit is this.
mircea_popescu: it's pretty much the fate of all these wanna-be nothing-in-particulars. to quote donald clinton, "the traditional route : years of rejection and failure until they're spit out the bottom of the porn industry"
ben_vulpes: which he'd doubtless deny anyways; "no litecoin's for the good of huge manatees!"
ben_vulpes: he was hired to lend credence to cb, not to further his own ambitions.
ben_vulpes: lol hey nobody cares what the devs want
ben_vulpes: heh it'd be funny if a) the fiduciary rule had stuck and b) if someone had brought suit against coinbase/kraken for pushing penny stocks
shinohai: Over fucking Ethereum.
shinohai: Pretty hilarious that Charlie Lee works there and couldn't get his shit added until now.
mircea_popescu: fact remains : the fiat pretend-sovereigns failed before the republic, and these long arid years of humiliation of their agents in our hands push them towards the only thing they know : collective security.
mircea_popescu: stupidity is the human nature, dice it as you will.
mircea_popescu: trinque you know the other soviets aren't so far off. how is coinbase-ly "holding" bitcoin any better ?
trinque: that'll be the fountain of lol
ben_vulpes: there is yet a yawning chasm between generating ecdsa keys and owning a quat of cum in my mind
ben_vulpes: forgive me for being thick, but what's the connection between outlawing math and the homeopathic spoiled mango soup?
mircea_popescu: local chapter of party proceeded to display them in the local chantry/temple, then made them into a 10 ton soup everyone got a spoon
ben_vulpes: with the epoxy?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes at some point someone gave $chinese ruler half dozen fruit. he didn't want them, donated them to local chapter of party.
mircea_popescu: you know the six cumquats story or what was it ?
mircea_popescu: soooo... the unconfirmed rumour is that the chinese govt is drawing up plans to make bitcoin a strategic commodity, making it illegal for private citizens to hold it / buy their holdings at the "prevailing market rates" (ie, 1kish_
ben_vulpes: these days it lives in a warehouse in beaverton so they can reasonably hold the price two to three dollars under the new price for the same thing
phf: yeah, if you're ever in portland, stop by powell's, top floor. it's their "rare books" section
phf: i have this one, https://www.amazon.fr/Blakes-Poetry-Designs-Critical-Editions/dp/039392498X (2nd edition) and while they tried capturing the feeling of how his imagery blends with the text, the visuals are not complete
phf: i saw a cool edition of blake's works in powell's in portland. it was a folio reproduction of his designs, with complete Marriage, etc. unfortunately it was something like $400, and i just couldn't justify buying it then
shinohai: And in other unsolicited DM's today: "Thx 4follow us, free cloud mining for you - 400 GH/s To Mine Bitcoin http://bit.ly/2pKLI8q It's Never too late to get Started with Bitcoin"
shinohai: Anything is possible is you sound Caucasian on the phone!!!
mircea_popescu: Framedragger guy's managing office space, supposedly i'm the one to illustrate the difference between a restaurant and a real estate holding co. "oh, you mean the restaurant takes meal orders from walk-ins on the premises owned by the landlord ?!?! TELL ME MORE OF THIS WEIRD FAR AWAY PLANET!!11"
mircea_popescu: the responses i got sorted by types"
mircea_popescu: dude, just call. nevermind the "questions" and rest of the crap. spend 1/10 of the time you frittered away already "on" this to call, write up your report, "i, pete d, aspiring to one day lordship, spent 8 hours today cold calling. i managed a total of 76 calls, which would get me fired from the average call center but hey, i'm new. these 76 calls went to so and so, here's the script, here's why i ammended it and when, here's
pete_dushenski: ok. so i call them all today. except i'm still not clear wtf is an isp and wtf is a dc. you use them interchangeably it seems.
mircea_popescu: "planning" is a miserable substitute for work. nevermind the nonsense. call everyone. today.
mircea_popescu: this is rank nonsense. the ~isps~ buying fg for their customers aren't going to be dcs.
mircea_popescu: or is it going to be the case that you'll go through the motions of pretending interest in whatevert topic du jour and i'm not going to say anything because i';m lazy ? what's the thinking ?
pete_dushenski: speaking of self-conscious wise guys, where does moldova fit on the natoreich-realworld spectrum ?
mircea_popescu: human idiocy is built out of the self-conscious efforts of a multitude of microscopic wise guys.
pete_dushenski: the cny/usd-btc spread has also grown by 6% in the last 24hrs. pboc pulling strings again ?
mircea_popescu: (andpool, as usual, the worst offender.)
mircea_popescu: but hey, the usg stoolies managed to prevent meaningful discussion with all their ineptitudes and idiocies, which is generally how the usg stays afloat. not like anyone takes it seriously in the direct. they just manage to make it so nobody can hear anyone else who isn't an idiot and that's good enough.
mircea_popescu: how can anyone pretend like the bitcoin miners aren't attacking the bitcoin network with such behaviour is anyone's guess.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the chinos seem to have completely given up on tx priority by fee. there's 20 sat/B items included, there's 200 sat/B item waiting for hours in the pool, it's a complete, ridiculous mess.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure it sounds exactly like throwing out the nubile young daughter out with the cumrag to they afflicted.
mircea_popescu: "how do you cure the problem of wanting the wrong things ?" "by getting rid of the strange notion that what you want matters."
Framedragger: yeah the "curable!" western obsession is quite funny
mircea_popescu: Framedragger "have you tried not wanting to fuck guys???" whadda ya know, next they'll "cure" pedos. because they're so totally unlike gays and everything.
mircea_popescu: trinque well, they're scottish originally. unsurprisingly enough.
trinque: ty for the recommendation of pcengines
trinque: say what you want about the catholics; at least they make their pedos wear funny clothes so you see them coming.
Framedragger: anarcho_capitalism, such subreddit. on the other hand top comment *is* "Have you tried NOT wanting to fuck your daughter?"
trinque: the guy who wrote that is exactly the guy beating off to the camwhore cooing in baby voice with a teddy bear, and that's only because he can't get the clinton goods
trinque: also the preoccupation with this "omg daughter will be fucked" is latent protestant incestual pedophilia
deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/05/03/quest-for-the-crafty-noob/ << Ossasepia - Quest for the Crafty Noob
mircea_popescu: people WILL tell you what ails their mind. it's why it's an ailment in the first place.
mircea_popescu: but, to do a third, mp's linguistics class : the sufferer does put the signature of his sufferance in his utterances. which is why they're so easy to identify (and how they manage to find each other and clump together like dogvomit.) dodo bird will say dodo bird things, such as "consensus" and "it is hard to lose money hiring mit graduates" and on it goes, lengthy list.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 13:22 Framedragger: well no, they'd actually say that there is an objective worldview. it's just that the haecceity (ha) pointers towards "this is objective" are inverse as it were
mircea_popescu: and as to the parallel mp school of philosophy : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651269 << no, regression is NOT a functional means to salvage. not your childhood, as the psychiatric defense ; not nonsense, as the "philosophical" bullshit deployed here, not dead notions of citizenship as seen in the cancer eating the legal system, not bad software through the "magic" of "a framework" and "Abstracting away" etc. regression
mircea_popescu: except it's not a boeing, it's a woman, and the flipping and licking by children does not get her going. even if i doing the ~exact same thing~ end up with an ex-lesbian in my living room.
mircea_popescu: children don't get to run things, or in his own words "like watching a group of nursery school children who've stolen a Boeing 747 and are now flipping all the switches trying to get it to take off"
mircea_popescu: now then, once they already told him they were lying to him, through having made a "consensus", it was his fucking job to decide which way they're lying. if they're overvaluing he should have sold ; if not he should have shown all of them the door.
mircea_popescu: there are two ways in which polling agents results in the same string. the first is, if the item considered is banal, you show a cup to three people and get "it is a cup" back. the second is, when they have agreed among themselves to, basically, lie to you. "we call this rape", and the subtle difference already says it. "it's sex, the kind we call rape, much like if it were a cup the kind we call grail"
mircea_popescu: "The terms we'd been offered from the three other serious venture capitalist bidders were similar."
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the dodoism is apparent WAY the fuck sooner, much like the castle actually became das schloss way before the casual reader noticed.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 13:25 mircea_popescu: (the difference between mp and pg being that mp is not a dodo bird. pg meanwhile -- deleted the item from his own site. how about that, to lose a company is one thing, but to lose THE HAVING LOST IT ?!?! the actual part of your own personal history ? fuck me sideways, these idiots.)
mircea_popescu: but since we're doing mp business school apparently : phg's dodisms / http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651277 is directly obvious from the text, of course. even a casual reader can find the answer "because he VERY MUCH WANTS mit to matter and count for something" to the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651273 question.
jhvh1: Framedragger: The Marriage of Heaven and Hell - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marriage_of_Heaven_and_Hell>; The Marriage of Heaven and Hell . William Blake . 1908. The Poetical ...: <http://www.bartleby.com/235/253.html>; William Blake - The Marriage of Heaven and Hell - Levity: <http://www.levity.com/alchemy/blake_ma.html>
mircea_popescu: phf eh, the whole satanism thing is all about mock-catolicism. "oh, it's a cross, but it's BLACK!!1 oh it's a mass but it's DARK!111".
mircea_popescu: seems the transition to graveyard culture will be indeed smooth.
jhvh1: Framedragger: ue :: Term denoting [Urban Exploration]. Used as both a noun and a verb. The idea of urban adventure is also expressed via [URBEX] and [URBANEX]. [ex:] Let's UE the derelict old warehouse on Fifth Street tonight.I'm acquainted with the tenets of UE. Today, I document for posterity what will vanish tomorrow. [/ex] | User Error, from WikiPedia:The phrase User Error or USR error, is a technical term (4 more messages)
Framedragger: (we also snorted some adderall (the crudeness of this was offset by popping a bottle of decent wine open, it's all good))
phf: well, the catacombs are technically consecrated, so that presumably makes the water holy? i'm not sure what catholic rules for desecration are. taking stuff from catacombs is it for sure though
Framedragger: (we did do an amateur key signing party down there, sorta, so that was nice)
Framedragger: in our group there was a kid who took a laptop and a camera. there were places where water level reached crotch. ... computer kids
mircea_popescu: if you take her in heels might as well make her leave the dress at the entrance. go for the whole nine yards!
Framedragger interviewed one guy "down there" (he had part of "cave" and christmas lights on wall, said he spend lots of time there, yeah not sure about dampness, i mean god damn), said "oh yeah i'm used to taking acid and getting lost here", nonchalant
phf: i also haven't packed any exploration clothes. but i have one more day, which is otherwise entirely free, so it's possible that we'll end up dropping on a whim
Framedragger: (then again, when i boarded a 1st class train to berlin in the morning after ~6h overnight crawl with no time to change clothes, i was seen as a wildman (unkempt beard at the time, too), scared some old german ladies. "megafun" for certain definitions lol)
Framedragger: they're megafun
Framedragger: phf: have you been to the catacombs? not the "tourist tour" way, but the "crawling through them all night, emerge victorious in middle of street" way
phf: it's dusty when it's not raining, and it's cold when it is, which is most the time, so romantic though omg
mircea_popescu: (yes yes the actual paris is a smelly boil. but how's a girl to know ?)
mircea_popescu: lmao this guy. i think the lord globetrotter may have been more apt.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the stocks, http://68.media.tumblr.com/2d9ce3685e0e19576fe02c6c77d84a6a/tumblr_o0s6r6DFe61uswp8qo1_1280.jpg
shinohai: Nope, but 'tis on the agenda
Framedragger: or wait, jackie was the dark one, no
Framedragger: ah ah, natalie was the cool(er) one, gotcha
mircea_popescu: (oh btw -- it's MELANIE (for reasons, the dark one, see disgrace also) not natalie. nfi what i was thinking)
mircea_popescu: otherwise it'll be nothing but "hey guise, some bits flipped because cosmic-rays and that's how the deed got deeded" all over the place.
mircea_popescu: whole world of crypto is based, fundamentally, on the rejection of this naivite.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, the philosophical zombie approach, ie constructing an "agentless, accidental chain of events which has the exact same outputs" is ~always~ open. see as a fine example http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-21#1304589
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, it's really fucking simple : standard bitcoin node either has a transaction in its mempool or does not have it in its mempool. if it has it then it can't keep it secret from you, which in standard bitcoin is anyone. if it does not have it then it does not have it. that's the whole story of mempools.
mircea_popescu: not like said relativism CAN have a footing anyway, so the whole difference is moot in any sense.
mircea_popescu: what he's saying reduces to "the bitcoin nodes run non standard code which keeps two mempools - one to tell you, a different one to use for their own, not transparent reasons". this is exactly what i was saying also, but restated in such a way to give some appearance of footing to the usual tardstalk "oh, guise, you can't know for sure" nonsense.
mircea_popescu: not that i have any doubt one examples may be forthcoming for the indefinite future.
mircea_popescu: if you find the link, i'll re-read.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i will give one example. about a year ago, there was a discussion with sturles about mempool and the whole zero fee tx clusterfuck. at some point later on, you said that (can't find quote, paraphrasing) on scrutiny, sturles' account broke apart. whereas i read it as "discussion was ongoing, then mp changed topic".
Framedragger: i actually vaguely remember. is that also where guy shoots girl towards the end because she was being bitchy? :D
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651278 << there's an absolutely phenomenal scene in jackie brown (the tarantino movie) in which nigga explains "you can't trust natalie, but you can always trust natalie to be natalie." he entirely speaks of the whole dreamer generation, white cocksucker of the male or female persuasion indifferently. dodo bird goes "dodo", reliably.
Framedragger: (nice quoted bit, too, i see the relation, i don't agree that bitbet can be modelled as "just opinions", but w/e)
mircea_popescu: (the difference between mp and pg being that mp is not a dodo bird. pg meanwhile -- deleted the item from his own site. how about that, to lose a company is one thing, but to lose THE HAVING LOST IT ?!?! the actual part of your own personal history ? fuck me sideways, these idiots.)
Framedragger: well no, they'd actually say that there is an objective worldview. it's just that the haecceity (ha) pointers towards "this is objective" are inverse as it were
mircea_popescu: that's, after all, the principal tool of neoteny. "all opinions are just opinions and bla bla". you ever read the ars digita bit ?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-03 13:19 mircea_popescu: but that something else is always going to be the same exact thing -- the realisation that the world as dreamed is not the world as is, and the incapacity of the child to metabolize this fact.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-03#1651261 << i'm not disagreeing, but am lol'ing at the fact that the "other side" would probably say the exact same thing. "delusionary worldview"
mircea_popescu: the whole rota debacle -- exactly the same thing, as well. "oh, but that was something else". no, not really.
mircea_popescu: but that something else is always going to be the same exact thing -- the realisation that the world as dreamed is not the world as is, and the incapacity of the child to metabolize this fact.
mircea_popescu: the point is that this nonsensical construct where "oh, we'll avoid having our balloon worldview pricked by not doing anything -- hey, this guy is doing something, how come he can't give less of a shit about all the pricks we fear ?!?!" is wholly psychogenic. i get that the man-child abomination really truly fears the imaginary pricks he perceives to exist. but it can't be allowed to stand, this notion, that his nonsense is s
Framedragger: yes, infantilism, and a general pattern, but it wasn't just "accounting" back then, it was mp billing multiple spends as "cartel research", and other shareholder disagreeing with this. but anyway, after actually reviewing logs, my interim conclusion is "forest is deep, and don't sign a zero asset contract framedragger"
mircea_popescu: to quote the true avatars of this "our democracy" retardation, "we could build a cabin like that!" "well... not us. but two men could."
asciilifeform: and lol , mircea_popescu's lament is ~exactly asciilifeform's ~yearly 'when i stop writing trb fixes, they stop getting written'...
mircea_popescu: Framedragger it is infantilism, through and through. "the only people who can do things are the parents, and we're not parents. the only thing we the children do is talk shit about mom's pie."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing wrong with that, either.
mircea_popescu: and if mp organises a conference there's going to be a conference and if he does not there's not going to be one and if we need an isp how about mp makes it and so on and so forth up the fucking wall.
asciilifeform: gavinphuctor will be the one discussed by 'experts' at rubber chicken confs, to arse technica, etc.
mircea_popescu: nevermind that if mp does the accounting then the accounting is done and if he does not IT IS NOT DONE!!! no matter fucking what! what was the response to mp showing up in 2012 and showing the tardstalk crowd how to do the accountin g ? they didn't start doing accounting, they STOPPED it altogether. no more reports now, were all the rage back then but now it's no longer "something new to say", as discussed in the logs.
shinohai is genuinely stunned as to why anyone would believe *anything* Gavin has to say on the subject of cryptography after Hoaxtoshi.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: strategy of the 'random' thing is ~same as usual -- make an idiocy to 'replace' an inconvenient genuine thing
mircea_popescu: and they will continue to, for the indefinite future, hide behind "oh, i can't say fuckgoats and THAT is why my brain doesn't work -- it's my principles!!1"
mircea_popescu: mp then told them where to stick it, they're STILL struggling to digest the matter, a year later.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger bitbet ended up short ~same btc, idiot chorus went "well since mp happens to be doing the accounting for it, and he's rich anyway, he should make whole our delusions as how the world works. because we have parenting issues from a bad childhood and also are so fucking speshul."
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: just curious, how are there "parallels with BitBet's misadventures last year about this time"? the "dead recokining" accounting standard?
mircea_popescu: he's going to tell you if your bits are random!!! because randomnesity is a property of the actual bits. this is sanity nao.
mircea_popescu: holy shit. how can the doofus be this fucking stupid.
mircea_popescu: "Get an array of 64 bytes from whatever source of cryptographically-secure randomness you are using. Encode them as hex, and make a REST query to the randomsanity service. The service will return true if it those bytes look random and nobody else has submitted the same stream of bytes; otherwise it will return false."
mircea_popescu: aaand in the random relulz of today, http://trilema.com/2014/the-lulz-of-today-ddos-attacks-ransom-notes-tor-anonimity-and-other-faits-darmes-of-the-retarded-generation/
mircea_popescu: in other meanwhiles, http://68.media.tumblr.com/065c29f21ca1136b25c325a67b81696a/tumblr_o1syt4y8Ze1uycyh2o1_500.gif
mod6: anyway, seems a common theme with me and ada. starting to wonder if my compiler version is fubar or someweird shit.
ben_vulpes: seems as though there is some "fun" to be had with ada
mod6: things are looking up. weather is getting nicer.
mod6: ah, well, was my mom's birthday today. so tough. but other than that...
ben_vulpes: btw girl does stellar asparagus; they're in season and big enough they can both steam on the inside and crisp up on the outside.
ben_vulpes: well the asparagus and chicken seems to have smoothed everything out, so i guess i can't even really complain about present circumstances!
mod6: got the mcgurgles?
ben_vulpes: there i found something to complain about
ben_vulpes: plants are growin, babies are babblin, babes are beautiful, my plate is full of things to do, and we're supposed to get 2 solid days of over-eighty weather
BingoBoingo: You can tell from the pixels!
Framedragger: it's the usual case with self-referential mp-complete systems
mircea_popescu: besides, who even knows the ancient hick-hock joke anymore ?
mircea_popescu: it's a very good catechism of the thing, really. honest toil and honest cunning. very square jawed.
mircea_popescu: the mockery itself was not bad, notwithstanding the sad situation of the dorks somewhat in the vein of you know, that fat annoying kid with a hot older sister. "why should i wash, have you seen the boobs on Jane ?!?!"
mircea_popescu: Framedragger a decade ago, some dorks got some money together paid some english speakers to mock romanians' efforts at translating shakespeare, and everything else.
Framedragger: wait what is this? :D also 'A Hoax of Hate: Henry Ford and "The International Jew"' ahaha
mircea_popescu: since Framedragger got the whole thing going : here's a fine example of "color revolution" material, https://litere.uvt.ro/publicatii/BAS/pdf/no/bas_2005.pdf
BingoBoingo: In other recent events: "On Sunday morning, a culvert collapsed underneath the front parking lot of Dunkin Donuts and Subway on Rendleman Road in Carbondale, causing the entire lot to sink."
BingoBoingo: Along with Shoal Creek, Beaucoup creek, and Big Muddy River(Not to be confused with the Mississippi river)
BingoBoingo: Wait, you have floods too? The Kaskaskia River is out of its banks and wrecking the shit out of some corn fields
ben_vulpes: or sink into the quagmire of flood washout it was built upon come the first tremor of any note
ben_vulpes: why bother, whole place is going to collapse under its own weight and its dependent poor
mircea_popescu: hey, they got time and aren't easily deterred.
BingoBoingo: "A bookstore owner, self-identified queer person and single mom with a disabled son, Eudaly campaigned heavily on better protections for renters and some form of rent control. The 46-year-old gained momentum as months went on, striking a chord..." << With the City's many other femayo lardbarges on the wrong side of the tracks
BingoBoingo: "especially in light of whats going on politically across the nation under President Trump." << Then why is the boss hogplanet standing in front on the Trump train? They don't call it a "cattle catcher" without reason
BingoBoingo: "Long considered the pillar of citizen input for city policy-making, neighborhood associations now seem to take a back seat to groups based on racial and cultural identity, as well as to issue-based groups." << Nice, Portland is inviting the Klan back to the table
a111: Logged on 2017-05-02 19:24 mircea_popescu: Framedragger the problem is http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648346
Framedragger: a friend needed bank account for a french job. got assigned "personal assistant" at bank. now assistant asks to meet every $x weeks, they go for coffee or something. which is maybe great in HNWI world, but she's not "HNW" and just has a normal not-high-paying job. ahh the french
Framedragger: whoops sorry, thought i'd stab in dark as that info was on wiki in that order. morning star prolly just copypasted from it. or vice versa, hard to tell these days
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: since you were reading wikipedia anyway, a somewhat-curious read from there, https://forum.ovh.ie/showthread.php/913-Following-the-wikileaks-case (original link now gone/"archived")
Framedragger: nb if revenue steadily rising (they're opening a dc in .uk and a dc in .pl, lotsa investment)? :)
a111: Logged on 2017-04-21 17:32 mircea_popescu: last i checked ovh did not own the dcs.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646948 << just ftr, it does appear that they do, and multiple (not just using "our dc / branded as ovh", but actually theirs), https://www.ovh.co.uk/aboutus/datacentres.xml (just for posterity)
shinohai: BWAHAHAHA an FBI translator defected and traveled to Syria to marry the ISIS recruiter she was investigating.
shinohai: I'm unsure why I even started using the place, besides knowing a person or two there. I always liked sdf better for my shell needs. They only recently started accepting Bitcoin for memberships so I need to renew again, for life this time.
Framedragger: ridoinculous that it needs doing in the first place of course :(
shinohai: ( A long time ago, hashbang was actually a gentoo thing but was then debianized by powers that be )
shinohai: jhvh1 almost didn't live there because they did python "upgrade" to 3 and removed 2.7 .... after much bitching and a few bitcents of admin greasing I got it back.
shinohai: No, I mean their *own* irc server (and the phree webspace) forces it. But you are welcome to run other services as you please.
trinque: either user separation exists or doesn't, and if doesn't, explain to me how "but yeah and then we take a massive dump where had tiny dried turd" and this is better
Framedragger: but yes good point, one needs to carefully think what exactly is to be offered, and then "parallelize" on those exact things, not "generic containers".
Framedragger: oh aha, misunderstanding of term (i was the one to abuse it). for me "vps" meant any kind of stack-i-zation of this kind, not necessarily xen/etc.
trinque: what the hell does "now I have 300 kernels" in memory buy you but attack space
Framedragger: trinque et al.: thanks for (as always) righting me. i have a shitty follow-up that is still bugging me. here it is, condensed: i think there is a service niche (again: i am in no way vested/involved as of now) for offering a shell with limited resources and (say) a bouncer (like hashbang.sh), for "dirt cheap".
Framedragger: right right, the inflation is cumulative so to speak, and permeates to many places.
mircea_popescu: hence all the ~beat them~ references. the only way for it to be more efficient is shedding a healthy 99.9% of the inflation of self worth going around.
mircea_popescu: if they actually understood their place in the world somewhat closer to reality, there could be. but as it is they overvalue themselves to such a degree, people are stuck paying for it with pretense.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-27 02:45 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it is, the problem with it is that 10% or less of the payola is paid out as bezzle usd ; the remaineder 90% or more is paid out as pats on the back, empty and baseless congratulatory verbiage and generally speaking psychotronic noise.
Framedragger: there must be a more efficient means of doing that... but i guess it needs to sell them the story of "one with the universe" and ecology, too, due to self-deception
mircea_popescu: gotta pay for all the special accomodation for dickless bureaucrats trying to pick the peon ranks for fuckable slavegirls while the ac is going full blast.
Framedragger: haha :D no. i guess there is that, too. it got even more expensive as of late, didn't it
Framedragger: so the films tell me! but this particular description is nostalgia-inducing (where nostalgia may not even have a reference, in my case/context). sounds amazing.
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: my parents packed the children of my generation off to desolate islands during the summer to kill things, camp, boat around the archipelago, climb mountains, break each other's fingers etc under the supervision of other, slightly older children and a smattering of 'adults' responsible for taxes and calling medevac from time to time
ben_vulpes: but shit damn some day i am going to get back behind the wheel of a unimog
ben_vulpes: magic land of endocrine disruptors in the water table
ben_vulpes: where having a penis does not make you male either
ben_vulpes: next step is to cross state lines and deprive them of my bezzlars as well.
mircea_popescu: the only question being, are you going to burn down city hall / hang chloe by her fallopian tubes ?
trinque: http://media.shelf-awareness.com/theshelf/2016EditContent/Chloe_Eudaly_102316.jpg << they have a look
ben_vulpes: historic neighborhood associations responsible for such gems as colonial heights, the entire nw urban area, buckman etc, are now being politely shown the door by "the rent is too damn high"/ex bookstore owner turned city commissioner chloe eudalay in preference to ethnic groups
trinque: making a repeatable gentoo recipe for the fucker
jhvh1: Framedragger: The operation succeeded.
Framedragger: yeah. ftr i do not survive or profit from vps. it can be useful sometimes (such as FOR INSTANCE for scanning the damn ipv4, overnight, and not paying for whole month, or for whole box.)
mircea_popescu: i mean other than deliberately trying to be annoying.
trinque: Framedragger: the datapoint I gave is in re: "VPS is a thing" not "here host in usglandia"
Framedragger: sliding the point? sorry, no intention to do that. i see trinque's point, sure
Framedragger: i'd rather not host in the u.s., but at the same time i'm not convinced just *how* much actual +ev does a "non-nato" provider give
Framedragger: yeah i remember you mentioning the provider before, cool
Framedragger: nb, do you mind if i ask how much traffic (unless unmetered) you get and whether this is colo (in which case, appreciation costs, too)
trinque: what the fuck those are called directories
trinque: I am currently paying some guy in the midwest a grand total of 32 bezzlebucks a month for two boxes that would trounce any VM
Framedragger: ah, you mean in the sense that no need to run separate linux, even. sure, maybe
Framedragger: if latter constraint, too - then, yeah, meh.
Framedragger: trinque: does not require a full machine, cheaper. just that. unless there is an expectation that not only should multiple mirrors of same tarball be on different machines, but that also no two different (from different users, say) tarballs should be hosted on same machine.
trinque: sounds like a wget -R and perhaps rsync job, at the most
Framedragger: damn i forgot the secret sauce, i'll maintain deedbot's l1 mappings in mongo cluster
trinque: the mirrors thing benefits how from virtualization?
Framedragger: how it is done -- another matter. sorry if too much noise.
Framedragger: i thought there may be a demand for vps. multiple parties indicated such, including mircea_popescu.
Framedragger: actually, their airport hotels should have this. "bob, file a patent!"
mircea_popescu: i bet you right now there's thousands of depressed dudes in ugly tshirts scattered all over silicon valley who would call a hooker if only a) half hour weren't the shortest quanta available and b) they were petrified they've got no way to amuse a girl for a WHOLE half hour, even if she were slightly retarded.\
Framedragger: you may have just described japan's "comfort boy/girl" / "girlfriend experience" service offerings (mixed with their "hourly billing" airport sleeping-capsules)
mircea_popescu: then you win and your 40 minute lunch break is almost over, everyone's very happy and can go on with their life.
mircea_popescu: ideally the way this goes, you call the agency, girl shows up, you spend ten minutes going through legal red tape / reading paperwork boilerplate / filling consent forms whatever. then you pump her a little, there's various gizmos and gadgets measuring things, then you play a little board game on the basis of the measurements for say 20 minutes or so.
mircea_popescu: it'd serve the customer base much better.
Framedragger: yeah i need to avoid them sheds.
Framedragger: well, i recall asciilifeform's "nearlyfreespeech" hosting provider which boasts are "very honest" resource cost scheme, something to the degree of seconds, with loyalty (depending on total resource usage) discounts being applied every second (or minute, too) :D but that can be a bit childish.
mircea_popescu: there's three degrees of magnitude between the day and the minute. is that your granularity ?
Framedragger: the latter may only make business sense at some degree of scale, however (unless the per-minute rate is very high...)