asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652688 << what was the state of the wire to dulap at the time , ben_vulpes ?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 18:52 gabriel_laddel_p: Just wanted to report that I'm in a house with the SSID "Thiel Master", there are no interesting books, the pool is broken, the front yard is destroyed and some idiot was "dirtbiking" on it when I showed up.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 18:54 gabriel_laddel_p: Real estate in one of the most exclusive / ritzy / whatever zip codes (atherton) and they stock it full of retards.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-07#1652670 << why is he THERE?! lemme guess, d00d thinks he can 'beat the house', eh. of such folx is the bread and butter of chumpatronics, made.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 21:48 mircea_popescu: no part of cpp was intended or designed or tested or even vaguely considered in the context of consensus systems.
mircea_popescu: no part of cpp was intended or designed or tested or even vaguely considered in the context of consensus systems.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes here's the thing : without review of what the compiler spits out of it, you can't actually know whether the change won't create a split down the road.
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2017-4-30#bb66f450-218d-4f54-88d8-6fb65645d474 << so given that the difference would be that the old auto_ptr didn't have shared semantics and that the unique_ptr does but they're never used because they weren't available at the time, i don't expect grief to come of it.
ben_vulpes: in other news, mimisbrunnr still chewing through 3+ day backlog: http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate?d=2017-5-7#6e390df3-eac7-4ed4-b059-62b8994a2b8c
ben_vulpes: ya slip a white tee over the outlet and change it when it stops getting darker
ben_vulpes: that and ten dollars for the pump at harbor freight
gabriel_laddel_p: childrens play equipment (?), broken chairs, the pool itself is full of brown/green alge-water
mircea_popescu: i got this poor guy here, cleans the pool every day. (it rains, tropical torrential rain. thing gets washed full of everything. he pickls them back out). whole thing gives me trouble, on one hand i'd like to tell him to nevermind, on the other im not sure it's such a good idea.
mircea_popescu: would you think the same if it were "kardabutt" or such ?
gabriel_laddel_p: IE associated with one of his startups, the "thiel fellows" or something
gabriel_laddel_p: The wifi network name
gabriel_laddel_p: Real estate in one of the most exclusive / ritzy / whatever zip codes (atherton) and they stock it full of retards.
gabriel_laddel_p: Someone more powerful than me please kill all of these idiots.
gabriel_laddel_p: Walked into the room of the girl I came to see (over here to do laundry) -- absolute squalor. Filth everywhere. Flies.
gabriel_laddel_p: Just wanted to report that I'm in a house with the SSID "Thiel Master", there are no interesting books, the pool is broken, the front yard is destroyed and some idiot was "dirtbiking" on it when I showed up.
mircea_popescu: portuguese is basically an alt-spanish designed by some guy in the False Friends club.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform carro means card there im pretty sure.
gabriel_laddel_p: Framedragger: to you in the particular. Dear everloving G-d, please read the logs and stop rehashing discussions. Also, fewer messages, more content.
Framedragger msg'd vc about #t presence and whether he's interested, as of now he's not considering offering dedi boxes tho, it seems
asciilifeform remembers idiot '90s copyrasty ad : 'you wouldn't download a car' -- to which folx replied, 'i would, motherfucker, if i could!'
mircea_popescu: and in other news re the SOPS criminal org coup d'etat in brazil, http://www.jornalnh.com.br/_conteudo/2017/05/esportes/2105654-jogador-do-sapucaiense-e-preso-durante-jogo-de-futebol-da-2-divisao-do-gauchao.html
asciilifeform: in related lulz, https://archive.is/BSxkv >> 'At least 30 active-duty service members could face punishment as a result of the “Marines United” nude photo scandal that rocked the U.S. armed forces in early March, a Corps spokesman announced Friday.'
asciilifeform: Ls, women in Marine infantry units and females in the field artillery (even though most cannot carry a 155mm round) are just some of the insanity...'
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/xTT1y >> 'Since, 1991, the US military has been slowly coming apart at the seams. Stress cards, open homosexuality, transgenders on active duty, sensitivity training, pregnancy simulators for male troopers, lactation stations in the field, babies born on US ships of war, female graduates of Ranger School, including a 37 year old mother (it’s funny how the women looked so well fed), women in the SEA
phf`: those university solaris systems were cool because of the afs mount points. it sort of reminded me of my first dialup-into-shell internet connection: a narrow bandwidth gateway into this really rich worl
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 05:43 fromloper: Well I got gdb working with the probe, but I can't seem to get the probe to work with the board. If I plug in the probe to the board, the board hangs. If i try continue I just get a bunch of ffffffs. If I do monitor run it says the probe is not connected. Here is a verbose output: https://pastebin.com/qWTwMuF5
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 15:20 trinque: sure. Framedragger meanwhile with a headless chrome will have all the attack surface anybody ever wanted
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652129 << and yeah this is PROBABLY the way to get burned. asciilifeform imagined the archiver as a "public whore prostitute", a box which can be exposed to exploits and malware, but that's even more dirty. (that said, may be the way to go.)
Framedragger: possibly taleb's writings, etc. and yeah it sucks and may be the wrong choice politically (contrast with mp's explicit refusal to load PDFs, period).
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 15:18 trinque: I don't run JS in either case
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652110 << and yeah to be clear i did skip this consciously, knowing that i'd be stepping into a swamp. and while i'd very much like to embrace http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652126 , it is the case that i'd like to be able to archive shitsites which don't render without JS.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 18:13 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1638105 << dumping dom is not hard (it's innerhtml attribute on document.body/head), extracting images/objects is harder. used to be able to do it using canvas, but not there's security provisions. you literally have to go into the browser's cache (via internal apis) to got the graphic, etc. back. or else redownload, which is rife with potential issues
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 17:34 phf: Framedragger: yes, archive.is is a headless webkit. it loads the page with all the resources, it lets the javascript run until the DOM is in some "final" state, it snapshots the DOM. at this point you no longer need javascript to further render page
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 12:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652105 << can make your own tools for as long as you can live with them. the output is sane ?
Framedragger: rehi, finally almost-summer here (hey it's a big deal here when it's not mist and misery more than 50% of the week), frolicking in the sun :)
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 05:07 BingoBoingo: https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2017/05/05/real-damage-done-flare-over-philosophers-journal-article-essay << "Tuvels argument is that the very same reasons that might justify an individuals decision to change sexes could also be used to justify an individuals decision to change races -- so if one is committed to the acceptability of the former (as Tuvel herself is), then one would be committed to the acceptability of the la
fromloper: Yeah gdb and the sage smartprobe
fromloper: He has helped me with unlocking the probe. Now hopefully he can help me figure out what I'm doing wrong :-(
fromloper: Well I got gdb working with the probe, but I can't seem to get the probe to work with the board. If I plug in the probe to the board, the board hangs. If i try continue I just get a bunch of ffffffs. If I do monitor run it says the probe is not connected. Here is a verbose output: https://pastebin.com/qWTwMuF5
mircea_popescu: and in other being own boss news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/2c83f4f25a84aaf5a85b6ec71eb72883/tumblr_nt60zcuMir1s3qr6wo1_500.gif
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: other tricky bit re old stock chips -- invariably 5v signals; whereas ~all currently available logic, incl ram, is 3.3v max ( and often lower )
ben_vulpes: i got one last lol in the chamber
asciilifeform: they weren't meant to be roasted twice.
mircea_popescu: what, reflow oven burns the chips ?
asciilifeform: fromloper: problem is, there ain't a usable fpga
fromloper: There are open source FPGA 68ks that are pretty small. You might be able to fit 16 on a relatively small one.
BingoBoingo: pop them out of performas? Or did performas get expensive?
fromloper: Bingo, I'm not saying there isn't a market, but it's not really where my interest is. The ideal is to find interest and market fit. If it was just about money I would just go work for google.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: back when i actually gave a shit, i looked for a copy of the relevant shitware. never found.
BingoBoingo: fromloper: You'd be surprised. Many people want out of John Deere's rootkit so that they can fix their tractor cost less than $newtractor
mircea_popescu: yes. his idea is, and perhaps not without merit, that by getting the bundle he names you might be able to salvage a driver.
fromloper: asciilifeform. Thanks again so much for your help and hard work on fixing the probe.
fromloper: Be back in a bit. Gotta reboot and see if I can find a GD that won't crash with the smartprobe.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "system debugger" bundled driver
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i'm preparing popcorn for when they finally unearth the pedophilia issue. so far swimming in the brackish water of imaginary problems that are only problems ot the problemizers.
fromloper: Bingo, my interest is more in security. Most people aren't that worried about their tractor being hacked.
fromloper: I think the older ones had a shittier abstraction layer though. The python C# one is easy to reverse.
BingoBoingo: https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2017/05/05/real-damage-done-flare-over-philosophers-journal-article-essay << "Tuvels argument is that the very same reasons that might justify an individuals decision to change sexes could also be used to justify an individuals decision to change races -- so if one is committed to the acceptability of the former (as Tuvel herself is), then one would be committed to the acceptability of the la
fromloper: I don't think the current version does anymore. All the FPGA images are XDP3 or XDP4. I know older versions of System Debugger had support for older XDPs. If you have a student email you can get System Studio for free and it has access to older versions which might support it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you actually try the thing ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What new. Debug to build aound the old ones.
ben_vulpes: then ofc remembered that 200,000 lines of cpp make up nasa's most important models and rolled my eyes at my own self
fromloper: System Debugger supports the $3000 XDP-ITP, the $390 SVT CCA adapter, and the $15 USB debug cable.
asciilifeform: but the winblows-disableable usb3 debugger
asciilifeform: fromloper: this ain't the xdp one
fromloper: The ptsecurity guys did a talk on it.
fromloper: You can get a trial of System Studio which comes with System Debugger. System Debugger sucks, but the debug layer is there underneath in python and C#, so you have pretty direct access to JTAG if you want to RE it.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes actually the time symmetry approach is very intelligent.
asciilifeform: so the amount of sympathy i have, is 0.
asciilifeform: because of schmucks who all honoured their pact with hitler
asciilifeform: funnily enough i have an intel xdp probe and even one of their seekrit dev boxes (complete with 'not for sale' sticker)
mircea_popescu: hey, maybe intel capital invests. acquihire cheaper for them than actually hiring and they've been doing all that song and dance about hiring in the us.
fromloper: If I liked spending money I wouldn't be worrying about getting the $15 debug cable to work or an abandoned $200 probe.
asciilifeform: fromloper: and when intel steals your project, then what.
fromloper: They have a "restricted" level NDA which is above the normal. You need to acually talk to people about your project insead of just signing up a webform. I'll look at Arium / Lauterbauch / Intel PDT if I get past POC and find some investors ;-)
fromloper: Their private debugger is $5k a year though.
fromloper: I'm at an inital research stage at this point if it pans out they have a heavier NDA and you can buy the private tools. At this point I'm just doing proof of concept so I don't want to invest too much if it doesn't pan out.
mircea_popescu: hey, the miracles of reification.
asciilifeform: fromloper: and you wonder why the public tools are shit, and you're stuck with winblows idiocy ?
BingoBoingo: But you don't get the good seekrit shit
fromloper: mircea, because their public docs are shit and NDA just means I want share their secret shit. It's not a big deal to me.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, MOS 6502 does all the computing necessary for most purposes
fromloper: I'm not paid. It's my own startup. Other than the sage thing, wasn't specifically asking for help just discussing.
mircea_popescu: but why ? he just wants to, and you seem to be free! and the market ended up 95% usg for entirely unrelated reasons.
fromloper: I have NDA access, so I have slightly better documentation (but still shit and incomplete). Business decision. Intel only because that's where 95% of the market is. Also easier to do security research on ME and AMT if you can step through, which needs JTAG as well.
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2017/05/usg-asset-gavin-andresen-pretends-to-meaningfully-inspect-your-random/#comment-95936 << am i thick or is the guy entirely ignoring the quote.
asciilifeform: and why the fuck would you use intel-only opcodes.
asciilifeform: their soft is winblows-only, also
fromloper: Ahh. Well no choice if I want to use intel's VMX instrutions but to use intel. Just trying to avoid having to spend $3000 for the standard ITP-XDP device and needing special expensive boards with an XDP port.
asciilifeform: it won't work for your purpose. and the docs are very, very thin.
asciilifeform: hardware ice is useful precisely because os has no say in whether it gets debugged
asciilifeform: so cannot help there.
asciilifeform: for the reason described earlier, i have 0 interest in intel's debug
fromloper: The ideal will be if Intel fixes their BIOS, because then it would be a supported option on a mainstream system.
fromloper: I believe USB DCI is only on their Skylake+ U-Series chips which are geared towards mobile and those tend to have soldered SOP8s since they tend to either be laptops or NUCs
mircea_popescu: they've been moving that way slowly but surely hm.
asciilifeform: either bad clip, or you out it backwards.
fromloper: I powered it up, which got rid of the overcurrent error, but it couldn't read the chip. Maybe a bad clip and or the TL866a isn't up to the task. Kind of a novice at these things.
asciilifeform: forget the burner's vcc.
asciilifeform: then chip is alive
asciilifeform: trick is: gotta power up the board
mircea_popescu: you don't have to cut the trace do you ?
fromloper: I tried seeing if I could reprogram it via a TL866a but VCC isn't wired for in system programming and I didn't want to cut the trace on a system I might need to return
asciilifeform: even if they actually take back mutilated boards -- this promises to be slow
mircea_popescu: ah i guess there's thart
asciilifeform: fromloper: pull the chip and reflash
asciilifeform: their debug isn't fully out of band, hostile os (e.g. winblows) can interfere
fromloper: There is a bug in Gigabyte's NUCs where they left DCI half enabled. Unfortuntly I bricked the one I had.
fromloper: Also looking at trying to get a Skylake/Kabylake with DCI enabled (JTAG over USB) since that just requires a USB 3 debug cable. The Intel NUC's have a bios setting "Silicon Debug Feature" but although it sets the debug MSR, it doesn't appear to set the PCH register correctly, and the PCH register is locked by the time it gets out of BIOS.
fromloper: Found though google. My main use for the probe is to have a cheap x86 JTAG device for VMM development
asciilifeform: fromloper: out of curiosity, hiw didja find the pill, and for what do you use the probe??
fromloper: Ahh just say the manual you posted, thanks. That was my main concern (power, etc) for the edk
asciilifeform: i posted the raw command set, theoretically you can use entirely straight gdb for any conceivable use of the box.
fromloper: Should the probes normal startup status be blinking?
asciilifeform: probably i ought to add this to the article.
asciilifeform: ( sagepill.py always breaks off, because the probe resets!! )
asciilifeform: update your gdb and follow the examples on my www.
asciilifeform: it gets patched to match the hardware id of your box
asciilifeform: 'old' is the fw image
fromloper: Looks like the original has scrolled off, so I don't know
asciilifeform: is this from the first run ?
asciilifeform: unplug the probe and plug back in
fromloper: If I run sage_pill again, it seems to show the old CRCs and lets me update again?
asciilifeform: ( you need the one from 2014 , no earlier )
fromloper: GDB seems to crash with an internal error. Then shows Remote debugging using /dev/ttyACM0 0xffffffff in ?? ()
asciilifeform: also paste the complete barf plz, it got cut off
fromloper: How do I reset the probe?
asciilifeform: fromloper: reset the probe, connect to it, what do you get ?
fromloper: Can anyone help me with sage_pill.py? When I run it, it gets though programming the FPGA, but then dies with: FPGA05: Programming FPGA completed SmartLoadergramming SmartLoader MSG009: Disabling SupportLibrary Traceback (most recent call last): File "./sage_pill.py", line 315, in <module> dump_forever() File "./sage_pill.py", line 251, in dump_forever l = sage.readline() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/seri
mod6: still, was delicious with toasted bun on the grill
mod6: tonight I had another Venison & blue cheese burger... this time I did the heating slightly different.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (unlike eg "biking naked", gardening naked makes a lot of sense. skin washes better than any garment, which is why sane societies have kids under 10 or so in the buff. way the fuck better to step on the anglotard notions of "pudicity" than to crimp the kids' style.) << Notice naked gardening day is not during blackberry harvesting season
mircea_popescu: there's no space for "others", or complicated java-style functions with no explicit domain and no static compilation.
mircea_popescu: which incidentally is the ACTUAL golden rule. forget zamak that usually passes for it in the mouths of slaves. the rule is, "do so as to not come to regret doing."
mircea_popescu: really, it's everyone's own and arbitrary job to keep the thing running in such a way as to not come to regret it later.
phf`: a half empty hall, with old lords, most of them asleep or otherwise engaged in completely unrelated activities, etc.
mircea_popescu: there is that.
phf`: oh i agree, i just thought an irc bouncer as an empty shell painted to look like the owner is amusing, or perhaps an aging lord dosing off
mircea_popescu: well, you always gotta strike a balance. if you keep people physically in a room to listen to what you say as youi say it, they will go mad. they're present in a specific sort of ghost form.
phf`: this is a proper house of lords, there's a quorum, but most of the "present" members are "asleep"
mircea_popescu: but i certainly don't delegate the authority to some bouncer. wtf is this, the chinese imperial court ?
phf`: perhaps i could make the bouncer !!down after some time, when there's no client connection (similar to how right now it sets an Away)
phf`: i feel like i have to do it roughly once a year, in fact, every time freenode changes their ssl. i listened to the advice of the wise this time and switched to plain text
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-05-06 18:35:42: <mihi> wrote a (pretty incomplete) Wireshark dissector script for the Eulora protocol, if anybody is interested: https://gist.github.com/schierlm/a10b89e011f8baf646cb0cb674a48241
phf`: some mission impossible shit right there, up yourself in 30 seconds (no gpg automation!) before the nickserv force change non-identified nick
lobbes: <mircea_popescu> [17:38:46] possibly the poster child of ustardation, the spellchecker << somewhat-related lulzy ad. "Are your customer service monkeys illiterate? There's an app for that!11" >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak-Y56SfkS0
mircea_popescu: possibly the poster child of ustardation, the spellchecker. "it helps" by resolving the 80% of the problem, which shouldn't even exist, because the sort of people whom it helps have no fucking business writing anything ever in any case.
mircea_popescu: and we're not even talking about the cases where the writer ISN'T FUCKING MONOLINGUAL like some sort of esl mongoloid. good luck with that.
mircea_popescu: basically it's 95% fail hits, most because no vocabulary. i don't think it'd pass the baccalaureate. wtf is wrong with people
mircea_popescu: this isn't even counting the failures of pretense, like supposedly chinese is misspelled because hey, gotta have capital, or organised is misspelled because hey, somebody cares what harvard thinks.
mircea_popescu: and holy shit what the fuck IS EVEN THE POINT of spell checkers. today it says pudicity is misspelled, yesterday it said vagal is misspelled, day before that earworm was misspelled, and unverbalizable and paddlings, and slavegirl and peni and snuck for fuck's sake. and on it fucking goes.
mircea_popescu: (unlike eg "biking naked", gardening naked makes a lot of sense. skin washes better than any garment, which is why sane societies have kids under 10 or so in the buff. way the fuck better to step on the anglotard notions of "pudicity" than to crimp the kids' style.)
mircea_popescu: o wow they have that ?
BingoBoingo: Sam will have the asian style noodles in cuck sauce
mircea_popescu: well, latin idea originally, but anyway. latins couldn't bring themselves to care. i can readily see why.
mircea_popescu: possibly the best piece re englishittery, that story. the normans were fucking right and truly should have exterminated that most miserable race.
mircea_popescu: guy brought back the whole of the spanish colonial empire, england indian-gifted him a shitty palace.
mircea_popescu: shmucky mcschmuckson has the utmost respect for us as novel writers, note.
mircea_popescu: yes, but who were our victims ? we call ourselves web developers (we do ?) but what about all the wealth and priviledge ?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: mod6 i had cashew paste (little butter, hint of balsamic, fenilgreek and tarragon) salmon. with a very fine bottle of chianti. just waking up from the food coma.
mircea_popescu: what duke of this called himself "a warrior" and what the holy fuck, i thought this guy was supposed to be literate ? wtf happened at, say, agincourt ?
asciilifeform: 'the murdrum fine did not extend to any Englishman who was murdered. The law was explicitly introduced to help deter the English from murdering their Norman French conquerors and to punish the English community when they did so. If a Norman lord could prove that the person murdered was English he would avoid paying the fine. This became known as the ‘Presentment of Englishry’ and was not abolished until the late fourteenth centur
asciilifeform: https://thewildpeak.wordpress.com/2014/05/15/murder-fines-and-proving-englishry << iraq of the 1000s !
BingoBoingo: This is exactly vermin behavior of the same sort asciilifeform observed when he saw squirrels hapily munching nuts while resting on dead squirrels
BingoBoingo: Instead the vermin bitch and moan that the nest they keep building in the culvert keeps washing away
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> when we know what the 'great things' are -- reddit ? << Or local news bitching about how they plan to rebuilt their thrice washed out property, because apparently the watershed that took everything from you thrice did not bring enough pain to negate "good memories at the old house(s)"
asciilifeform: when we know what the 'great things' are -- reddit ?
asciilifeform: i actually find orwell quite considerably less outrageous than linked d00d. in the time of o it was at least possible to imagine the commoners whom, if, e.g., churchill, had not eaten, might have 'done great things'. but today ?
asciilifeform: more typical yet, https://thewildpeak.wordpress.com/2013/07/24/dont-sit-like-melvyn-bragg >> 'I for one have the utmost respect for Churchill as a war leader, but what about Churchill as an aristocrat? What about his wealthy and privileged background? Where did the wealth to build Blenheim Palace come from? What had his ancestor John Churchill, The Duke of Marlborough, done to deserve it? Who were his victims?'
asciilifeform: ( https://thewildpeak.wordpress.com/2014/10/18/the-grand-old-duke-of-york-he-slaughtered-ten-thousand-men-2 )
asciilifeform: y expected the common soldiers, their ‘men’, to be slaughtered without mercy, they expected that if they themselves were facing defeat they would be able to ‘yield’, to be taken prisoner, to be treated honourably while awaiting the collection of a huge ransom paid for their release. The ransom money of course had to be ground out of their ever-suffering tenants and serfs back at home.' << lulzy
asciilifeform: 'This is what nobles do. The Duke of This or the Baron of That, the King of France or the Holy Roman Emperor, they called themselves warriors but actually they were just armed and heavily armoured thugs. If they weren’t leading their men up the hill to their death, they were leading them in the slaughter of the enemy. Sometimes in these battles the nobles died too. But in the middle-ages, in the so-called Age of Chivalry, while the
BingoBoingo: The obeast's toes are out of frame for a reason http://www.podiatrytoday.com/files/pt12tma1_1.png
asciilifeform: pretty well read , overall, which is rare for the type
mod6: asciilifeform: hey!! Thanks for the makefile :]
asciilifeform: https://thewildpeak.wordpress.com/2013/10/20/exile-rather-than-servitude-the-english-leave-for-constantinople << in unrelated olds. lulzy www , generally. reminds that not all liberasts are illiterate, even today.
shinohai doesn't emacs either so all of last thread was lost on him.
mircea_popescu: on the strenght of the text as it is could just as well been guywith molotov for the same money.
mircea_popescu: odd, figured prominently in the previous "we need isp" installment.
mircea_popescu: i don't expect by now there's any relation whatsoever between the mouth-like organ and the arm-like organ of the vaguely organised amoeba colony.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems odd, the phrasing, 'a network segment associated with your server', as if only the lan had gone down
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 18:19 trinque: if the thing doesn't render readably without JS it was written by morons, and who wants to read anyway
asciilifeform: see official docs for what all of the knobs do, my paste only shows the very basic ones.
asciilifeform: it comes with adacore's gnat, but with the vanilla gnu one, you gotta build it by hand
asciilifeform: mod6: lemme know if you have questions re the makefile. you will notice that there are multiple knobs.
asciilifeform: and of course archive.org ( why does usg need TWO of these ? )
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6 http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/upCny/?raw=true << makefile. this will work everywhere but crapple, where static linking is entirely dead. ( will work there also if you discard the relevant flags. )
trinque: for archiving the few sane folks in same time period, no js required
asciilifeform: but to pay attention to the specific pattern of what is lied about -- gained, yes.
trinque: but am not prepared to argue that's the general case
trinque: I guess I remain unconvinced that I ever gained anything paying attention to them
asciilifeform: otherwise 'unhappening' is far too easy.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 18:19 trinque: if the thing doesn't render readably without JS it was written by morons, and who wants to read anyway
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652151 << ~whole point is to archive völkischer beobachter et al. the folx who work day and night to make it difficult.
ben_vulpes: we possibly speak past each other.
ben_vulpes: and when nate silver tires of the archiving of his bad predictions?
trinque: the nuremberg that lasted eternity
trinque: supposing someone does want to read, sure, doing this is the only means
trinque: if the thing doesn't render readably without JS it was written by morons, and who wants to read anyway
trinque: and removing those tags > running the thing through a giant wad of browser
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-05#1652115 << trinque -- not only does this mean that you (reader) are stuck with executing js - but also that it can DYNAMICALLY load turdolade from the original www (which may or may not still be there, or be the same as before)
BingoBoingo: In other news, Canada is trying to start a Dairy trade war with US\
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers! anyone who noticed that his trb wire to dulap dropped last night -- the thing was rebooted (without my permission) ~13 hours ago.
trinque: ah you know what, that wasn't even the thing
trinque: sure. Framedragger meanwhile with a headless chrome will have all the attack surface anybody ever wanted
mircea_popescu: heck, if everyone forgot how to "web 2.0" tomorrow, this'd be a greater gain for human culture than the discovery of fucking penicillin.
trinque: I don't run JS in either case
trinque: got it; was trying to understand why have a browser involved in the archiving
mircea_popescu: why would anyone save the ajax pile of bullshit. "modern" web dev has no place in the present let alone to be preserved for the future.
mircea_popescu: i thought one only wants the previews.
trinque: ah if one wants some kind of preview before loading the archived site, yes, can't get that
mircea_popescu: trinque yes but not process and render it, is the thinking
mircea_popescu: hey, us public discourse is == marketing talk, and there's no marketing benefit in pointing out "real estate" is neither real nor valuavble.
BingoBoingo: In other idiotgeneering, Neighbors on the other side of the Mississippi are bitching and moaning about "OMG, towns [a,b,c] have had second 500 year flood in 18 months!!!" meanwhile only marginalized commentators are raising the issue of "Why did we let the Chesterfield valley get levees and suburbs?" Apparently people raising the issue that building levees for new construction turns meandring floods into energetic and giant log flume rid
a111: Logged on 2017-05-05 11:39 Framedragger: new chrome version supports "headless" mode for very easy and accurate archiving. i'm curious, would the forum tolerate the use of chrome in an archiving tool (if properly packaged and (to the extent it's possible - yes, limited, barf) sanboxed)?