mircea_popescu: and so now you have to maintain accountants + hitmen, and neither one is sufficient, to keep enough pressure on the crown so it can't come up with bullshit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but then you have to actually have the expenses. and then the inept game of "oh, disallowed extemption, we decided you owe money retrospectively plus penalties etc"
trinque: asciilifeform: because they can argue a greater percentage of "omg they were just going to pocket it" than of "and we also have to pay things you don't know about"
asciilifeform: if you're , e.g., 'uber', or some other bezzleco, and your net 'is' 0, you pay 0, neh ?
mircea_popescu: yes, but you were discussing the thing in general, so i gave you specific example of exception.
ben_vulpes: femfuhrer simply wants 1% of the largest pile in sight.
mircea_popescu: discount cost of expenses is about 6-7% depending, meaning it's not worth it to buy them straight.
mircea_popescu: (no, it's not "on top of everything". it's either of net or of gross, your option._
asciilifeform: the fritz chip starts from mask rom, the contents of which are unknown (and potentially unique per-batch at factory) and it in fact brings up the remainder of the cpu
ben_vulpes: will pay for solar panels, community gardens for the poor, and jaeorbs for women/people of color!
asciilifeform: not the bios
asciilifeform: Framedragger: the mask rom
Framedragger: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re verify, presumably one may be able to set some parts of the firmware to be RO? problem is, not all parts, and even then, "how deeply do you trust". so yeah i guess sisyphean
asciilifeform: ( and the loops could be unrolled in place, even. )
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/T5YKB/?raw=true >> mod6 , phf, et al << thx for the update!
asciilifeform: and will be until somebody coughts up the intel privkey
Framedragger: (leaves the 'kernel', etc)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: yeah esp. for x220 and the likes when it's truly only very partial
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: you mean the completely unnecessary scene in the room? film is full of those. it's amazing i tell you
scriba: Logged on 2017-05-16: [05:15:35] <pete_dushenski> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656143 << lol i'm afraid i don't understand this 'fix' well enough to implement on disposable craptops that actually have intel me on them. let me know if you take the plunge :)
mircea_popescu: lmao. wtf is with the florist scene, sounds like porn dialogue.
Framedragger: you mean the romanian one? aha ok ic
shinohai: I was already convinced that Roger Ver populates r/btc with markov bots. Can't even find anything to Qntra about there unless BU breaks, etc.
Framedragger: ^ THIS is the ultimate film to watch
Framedragger: !#s wiseau the room
asciilifeform: 'I bought my first Bitcoins in 2013 and have been active on the Bitcointalk forum since March, 2014.... I’m concerned. I believe we urgently need to find a scaling solution, and I believe the best solution is to increase the blocksize.' << lol, betcha these come out of a perl script by nao
mircea_popescu: in other random shit nobody cares about, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojQQLszjH0k (america, venim!) is quite the ultimate documentary of just what inenarrable scum romanians actually are.
shinohai: I wouldn't be surprised if they actually found that entertaining.
mircea_popescu: i suppose if they ever manage to adapt the fingernail rfid for cattle usage, the cows'll be tweeting about how they're testing the barn app, and act like all serious about it, too.
asciilifeform: 'OSX El Capitan. SSD + 32 GB RAM, ENS app super sluggish yesterday and same problems as OP. backed-up everything, deleted Mist and support files, re-installed. imported jsons after merging, working fine now, except for the fact that owned domains to be finalized are disappearing from the side bar. Domains cannot be finalized when typed in, mist refuses address lookup, type in a different domain and the retype the domain to be finaliz
shinohai: The Ether DNS seems to still be in exact same shape as I wrote about weeks ago: https://github.com/ethereum/ens-registrar-dapp/issues/128#issuecomment-301561198
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: in other noose, we have... long division
hanbot: diana_coman i got myself up to date just to quote my last problem with the character in the logs, ha. thanks for asking, and i'll see to it this week for sure. meatland has been fairly crazy these past months, i'd love to have a software problem (she said naively).
ben_vulpes: prototype the stack as a "turbo furace"
ben_vulpes: could cool it with liquid fuel and recirculate the evaporate into the combustion chamber
ben_vulpes: even if burning petroil, gas turbine will get hot enough to break down the lube oil
BingoBoingo: Nah, unless it's burning petroil mix, the exhaust won't smell right
ben_vulpes: it's the only reasonable thing.
ben_vulpes: psh, also who wants to hump the accumulator around
a111: Logged on 2017-05-16 13:32 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656947 << motherfucking 2cycle poison gas spewers. what is wrong with diesel compressor + pneumatic drill, etc, like normal people have
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/dialogue-on-economy-and-other-things/ << Trilema - Dialogue on economy and other things.
mircea_popescu: such history of lulz there is!
mircea_popescu: lol, i'm trolling through hanbot's site to find where she got raped on eulora auction, end up with http://thewhet.net/2014/how-to-blame-others-and-entertain-people/
pete_dushenski: in other hooks, baizuo (白左), or literally, the ‘white left’ is the newest insult in china. love it.
pete_dushenski: certainly no one's done it better in the online auto enthusiast space than he.
pete_dushenski: adnan's is an object lesson in catering to video game playing, basement dwelling, fanbois of the 'like' generation.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655830 << speaking of throttles, 'car throttle' was started at the same time as my old car site by a very entrepreneurial brown brit by the name of adnan ebrahim. we used to email back and forth in those early, uncertain days and we met up in london in 2014 for a few drinks. he obviously went the vc-route and has done very well by the metrics of that world, certainly better
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i considered buying the peculiar auto for incabux, but then realized that i dun actually need one for anything
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: not saying you should depart with btc for $car, but i've yet to meet the seller who turned down, as you say, incadollars.
pete_dushenski: the story is basically that geeky had a business class ticket only to discover that air india had turned the plane into all economy seats. geeky still boarded the flight but flipped his lid when they landed and refused to deboard before roughing up some airline staff.
mircea_popescu: it's kinda funny for me to read all the nightmare stories of various ppl trying to airtravel, because i've had nothing but great experiences and well... sucks to be them i guess.
pete_dushenski: ravindra gaekwad is the mp's name. a 'shiv sena' (far-right) party leader.
mircea_popescu: i totally would. the name of the game is disproportionate retribution. let your $100 seat savings cost you $10 mn in financing, why the hell not.
mircea_popescu: and, of course, air india is consequently losing its subsidies, because they'll get hold up in parliament.
mircea_popescu: also, i don't expect the hotel makes any money from the deal. they're giving the rooms away free. etc.
mircea_popescu: wtf is with all the peons opining and shit.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, so india apparently sees a rider for the very first time, gets all excited ?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-16 06:59 danielpbarron: the damage from frostbite happens in the warming up. i've had it happen more than a few times where my feet would get cold and then i'd hop in the shower and get that "hit with hammers" sensation. also feels like bones are itchy.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656952 << aha, same principle as the flooding backwards-flowing rivers of siberia / alaska
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: re the 'great artist', do you ever find it curious that all of these folx , even with $maxint, eat recycled food ?
mircea_popescu: in other machinery, http://68.media.tumblr.com/78cb5f672da3f1f1deb49ec7a2f5a1ef/tumblr_ne0t1tuyrq1ticw27o1_500.gif
a111: Logged on 2017-05-16 06:15 BingoBoingo: And still further finds, a cordless drill that might meet alf standards http://www.echo-usa.com/Products/Engine-Drills/EDR-260
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-16#1656947 << motherfucking 2cycle poison gas spewers. what is wrong with diesel compressor + pneumatic drill, etc, like normal people have
a111: Logged on 2017-05-16 05:27 pete_dushenski: in other $8mn lifestyles, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-4BNGEXUAAGgpA.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-4A8P0XYAQe1tG.jpg (cdn national hero justin bieber makes a variety of sensible requests while touring in indian hinterland, 'our demookracy' very upset by HIS entitlement. aha.)
asciilifeform: asciilifeform probably has, at this point, ~all the btc he'll ever have, and is quite reluctant to part with it for whatever reason.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-16 05:23 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655841 << why did btc4rx7 deal fall through ? /me offered previous owner of saddam 10btc. he declined because 'too volatile' and 'family to feed'. i didn't think he'd bite, but now there's at least one more schmuck who can't say he never had the olive branch extended to him. i guess that's something.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-16 01:36 asciilifeform: in other near-term lulz, a 'pbot' is in the worx, so that folx can play with various input->output pairs in-chan
BingoBoingo: Anyways, motorcycle and chainsaw both are essentially motors powering sprockets to drive chains. Only really difference is the parts the chains touch
BingoBoingo: And still further finds, a cordless drill that might meet alf standards http://www.echo-usa.com/Products/Engine-Drills/EDR-260
BingoBoingo: In further trivia at apex on technology, chainsaw maker also produces appliance called "Bed redefiner"
BingoBoingo: In other threads completed: The best late model consumer vehicle is likely the pre-2017 model year Honda Rebel. 4-stroke combustion is a bummer to see on it, but air cooled and carbeurated. Better would be humble bicycle with "echo CS-800P" chainsaw swapped in to replace pedals.
pete_dushenski: in other $8mn lifestyles, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-4BNGEXUAAGgpA.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-4A8P0XYAQe1tG.jpg (cdn national hero justin bieber makes a variety of sensible requests while touring in indian hinterland, 'our demookracy' very upset by HIS entitlement. aha.)
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-14#1655841 << why did btc4rx7 deal fall through ? /me offered previous owner of saddam 10btc. he declined because 'too volatile' and 'family to feed'. i didn't think he'd bite, but now there's at least one more schmuck who can't say he never had the olive branch extended to him. i guess that's something.
lobbes: the 5 years I then spent in northern Ohio (where it'd get below 0 F often) were comparatively more bearable
lobbes: <mircea_popescu> snow is not so terrible because very insulating. << I can attest! I grew up on cape cod; while the winters never usually got below ~30 F on average, the occasional noreaster would punch you to the bone. cold rain + high winds = no fun
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656491 << well, they are made of ye newe nose-cutty plastique. this is, however, the least annoying of its 'features'. cracking and breaking due to temperature fluctuations and extremes is markedly more of a nuissance. 'moar durable! progress!' is anything but. nooz at 11.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656143 << lol i'm afraid i don't understand this 'fix' well enough to implement on disposable craptops that actually have intel me on them. let me know if you take the plunge :)
mod6: not a year goes by that I don't read about some person who got drunk, fell asleep on their porch mid-winter, and loses some digits due to frostbite.
mod6: once you get frostbite, they say that it's pretty easy to get afterwards because your capillaries never heal fully. making you susceptible.
mod6: by the time i took my skates gloves off... feet/hands really painful. i used to put them in very luke warm water to thaw them out.
mod6: probably some. i think i've had it quite a bit. not to the point of decay or amputation or anything. but there've been many times I remember playing hockey outdoors as a kid in 10 or 20 below f weather.
mod6: like, my pants stood on the own.
mod6: once, i was walking on a frozen lake. fell through some thin ice (~january-ish time), by the time i walked ~2.2km home, my pants were frozen and my legs were blue.
trinque: never jumped in the water, but I've hopped in a few snowbanks naked. it's a riot.
mircea_popescu: fucking cape cod style winds, i was cold in my winter gear. they were the color of liver.
mircea_popescu: at the north sea*
mircea_popescu: anyway, cold hardness is very much developed trait. i think i told the story of the pubescent girls at the black sea playing around in the freezing water like fucking sirens.
trinque: look if the cows all fart at once it sets off a positive feedback loop
mod6: but shit, i figure, if they could do it, I could do it too. not that i look forward to that, but it's not impossible. hell, it might be downright necessary.
mod6: house is still there.
mod6: they came from germany or whatever, bought/steaked a claim; took 'em 2 farming seasons to get enough money to buy the supplies to build the house.
trinque: oh? actually settled the place?
mircea_popescu: WELL NOW YOU GOT THEM!!!
trinque: yeah, that tornado on the highway recently, good try.
trinque: folks must not go outside; you'd think that'd toughen them up
trinque: probably has its charm. I like when the environment tries to kill me.
mircea_popescu: me either. most obscure state! but apparently great hunting.
trinque: ah ok, can't say I've been there.
mod6: ya. i was just talking about this today, in fact. long story, but at the end, he fucked up, and how's he supposed to learn that he fucked up if no one slaps his dick and says "you fucked up, don't do it again" ?
mircea_popescu still chuckles at the "indignant community" back when fetlife turned out to be a shithole.
mircea_popescu: trinque people vastly overestimate the importance of social media howling, also. and this is entirely borne out of stubbornly ignoring the numerous cases of it being raped to shreds.
trinque: I think people vastly overestimate this "the gendercommitter shall sue"
mircea_popescu: the lazy and the stupid ganged together and convinced "everyone" ie themselves that placing blame is bad, evil, counterproductive et all.
trinque: can always drag you through them longer than you can manage.
trinque: I dunno; I worked for folks that had their own lawyers, when working in mines.
mod6: it's different now tho. back in the day, if you did something retarded, you would be dressed-down for your failures. these days, mines are ~safe-spaces where no blame can be placed or else lawsuits.
trinque: they also can't block a walkway or entryway to panhandle. next year they can ban the panhandling outright.
mod6: they just looked at me like: O.O (wtf is this dude on about...)
mod6: "I'm here because of the beatings I've taken."
a111: Logged on 2017-05-16 03:45 trinque: http://www.houstonpress.com/news/houston-homeless-brace-themselves-as-anti-encampment-ordinance-goes-into-effect-9436174 << h-town heard the republic, is making poverty illegal inch by inch.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i find that the people putting in the work end up actually being the smarter among the many.
mircea_popescu: apple story being apple got ftc to sue the chinos, ftc got lapdogs (intel, samsung) to join in. the chinos might actually slap an ic export ban on us.
mod6: i've always wanted to do my best, or be as good as I can be at something that interested me. im not as smart or as clever as many, but I put in the work. i find that putting in the work pays dividends later.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> on the upside, really can't be fired anymore. << probably not. i don't worry about it. if one door closes, another opens. besides, someday not too far off, this will be the thing.
mircea_popescu: sounds like the plan!
mod6: some of the topics reach far and wide. gotta stay on task. but always will try to pick up what I can, where I can.
trinque: http://www.houstonpress.com/news/houston-homeless-brace-themselves-as-anti-encampment-ordinance-goes-into-effect-9436174 << h-town heard the republic, is making poverty illegal inch by inch.
mircea_popescu: on the upside, really can't be fired anymore.
mod6: *learn these
mod6: mircea_popescu: aha, im getting an education. trying to relentlessly get better/learthese disciplines
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, qualcomm-apple battle heats up. iphone 8 might be banned from us market &c
mircea_popescu: by the time you're done with logs, you'll have like 5 diff careers mod6
asciilifeform: did it make sense to you, how and why the thing worx.
mod6: I'm pretty sure that's the first time. But will do follow up analysis after 3rd run against this 5th FG>
mod6: interesting this time. collected ~1.5Gb. All tests passed the dieharder.
mod6: Here's the results from the first entropy collection of FG #5: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg5.ent_run1.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg5.dieharder_run1.txt
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the whipping post, http://68.media.tumblr.com/f0d4eb2dbb99fe6d9ddc018774b6b73f/tumblr_n3ubtmX66P1sc3xtso1_500.gif
mod6: later, they come.
asciilifeform: market of idiots is not exactly busting down the door to buy sane hardware.
asciilifeform: ( we had, some time last year, a thread, where asciilifeform learns that a number of 'crackpot' fabs will make you a few dozen dies for the cost of a toyota, rather than aston-martin. but various problems remain -- it typically takes 5 or 6 rounds; and they want nda, and the use of winblowz liquishitware tools, etc, and extensive hand-holding )
mircea_popescu: but ~nobody reads them anyway.
mircea_popescu: there is that.
mod6: ah. thanks for the input. this is interesting.
mircea_popescu: and talking of nigger spawn, http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/party-girl-malia-obama-freaks-accosts-white-house-correspondent-lucian-wintrich-exclusive-ny-club/
mircea_popescu: mod6 basically, a digital machine has no real reason to store a 1 as a 1 rather than any other arbitrary time-pattern
asciilifeform: for the purpose of arithmetic
mircea_popescu: every piece of shit intel crapware was prototyped. reasonable cost is an entirely conventional notion. malia obama gets to keep her head for another month, how's that for reasonable.
mod6: do i follow if i store 10 on rising-edge for odd, and 01 at the same time for falling edge even?
mircea_popescu: certainly worth prototyping at the least.
asciilifeform: theoretically power draw of this device will be exactly the same , at all times, as if it were resistive load
asciilifeform: now you store bit as ~phase~ of the square wave, rather than absolute steady state of the flipflop.
asciilifeform: pretty easy to implement, also. just make the flip-flop that forms sram cell, connected to clock.
asciilifeform: if i were drawing up such a thing, i'd even have the sram work in such a way that 10 is a 1 on odd clock cycles, 0 on even
asciilifeform: in each place where you would otherwise have 1 bit register, you instead have 2
asciilifeform: ( and you certainly could not do it under any such thing as an os, even if there were no pipeline. )
asciilifeform: they gotta happen ~simultaneously~
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes well, 250 digit numbers then
asciilifeform: ideally we would also be doing all arithmetic ops on a cpu that executes both the op and its exact register-wise bitcomplement
asciilifeform: same instructions gotta execute no matter what bits are set or not set in the operands. every time.
mod6: cool. that's good anyway, we don't need revenge of the floating-point bug.
asciilifeform: no if-statements, either.
asciilifeform: period. anywhere. they are banned.
asciilifeform: which is to have the ins AND outs in-conversation.
asciilifeform: in other near-term lulz, a 'pbot' is in the worx, so that folx can play with various input->output pairs in-chan
a111: Logged on 2014-09-18 19:37 asciilifeform: 'happy is the man who has one leg, one sock doesn't tear, one boot isn't needed.'
mircea_popescu: as the one, the only, the forever carlin said, "the man himself was philosophical about it : it's that much less skin to wash."
asciilifeform: as opposed to 'worked on the 1,001 cases i came up with'
BingoBoingo: In other shitware, oil filters reviewed with hacksaw http://www.tobycreek.org/oil_filters/fram.shtml
mircea_popescu: oh, and in other "inseguridad en argentina" news, https://news.co.cr/breaking-730-am-shootout-in-front-of-escazu-costa-rica-private-school-leaves-2-dead/60770/
mircea_popescu: and in other street fare, https://68.media.tumblr.com/e276e974493d006963244e787e586257/tumblr_nlffqvQiNB1upqo7jo1_500.gif
Framedragger checks the java filled homepage, damn moar books to read. that is nice
trinque: appears yet another psychological defense
trinque: all the more terrible and uninviting a universe if there aren't elsewhere salt water sacks whose symbols we could hope to grok?
Framedragger: *i* got a reference to a nice piece by feynman. it was also mentioned on the forum logs. booyah!
mircea_popescu: this is ~identical to person who reads article in nature, in his field, pukes, then goes on to take next story seriously.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger so basically what you did was, you moved the discussion from where it was obviously stupid, to where it was not obviously stupid (to you), and needs feynman to explain what and werefore.
mircea_popescu: "everyone understands the number 4"
asciilifeform: Framedragger: feynman, iirc it was, had a piece re the trickiness of using stellar bodies as 'talk to martians' reference, when you have nfi even which way the martian's display scans
mircea_popescu: sure, not matter of sympathy. matter of -- just like the egyptian kids sit in luxor center for businessmen trying to find old dizzy cow with social security payments to build them a tourist trap, just so perhaps indian kids sit in indian cafe, trying to get usg tendrils trapped.
Framedragger: the pulsar part i think would count as asciilifeformic diagram, maybe. but just that, and only just
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 22:29 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes recall the pharma wiz kid ? the one they dekulakized for "how dare you buy things and then raise price on them"
mircea_popescu: the whole amusement was re "diagrams"
Framedragger: sure, if you argue for (if that's the term) ultimate epistemological relativism, crabs in water, then whatever. but we don't intend crabs to intercept a space vessel anyway
mircea_popescu: maybe they are.
Framedragger: it is qualitatively less stupid than printing a fucking human figure on the plate.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the meaning of "straightforward" being ?
mircea_popescu: (tl;dr -- alien i ran into knew what latin is, they had it too. latin language universal invariant. hurr.)
Framedragger: pulsars are kinda loud on teh spectrum. the visual representations (marks on the lines) can be mapped to relative pulsar periods in a straightforward fashion.
Framedragger: this will produce barf reactions, but re. that pioneer plate, hmm... yeah it's horribru, but the pulsar period lines (iirc?) - it's completely hogwash, right? the human figures are, sure
Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170515/#558 << ah shit, bad encoding problems on my loggotron end again. fwiw first attempt is utf-8, then latin-1. hmz.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes seems there's a lot of pressure to succeed at scamming in the us for indian boys.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes recall the pharma wiz kid ? the one they dekulakized for "how dare you buy things and then raise price on them"
Framedragger: maybe if we all bid in $1 increments they will see real value$$$
ben_vulpes: i have seen this before, the continentals holding posts in usg bezzletrons, and i don't quite get how it makes sense. "we all went to hahvahd biz skool for credential washing to operate scammatronz", maybe?
mircea_popescu: "Tinton Falls, NJ April 21, 2017 AASKI Technology, Inc. is pleased to announce that we are one of three Defense companies to win a prime contractor position on a potential five-year, $900 million contract for field support and technical services to the U.S. Armys Project Management Office, Unmanned Aircraft Systems (PM UAS)." etc.
mircea_popescu: o guess what! http://dijit.com/ is for sale. the domain i mean. in case anyone feels like filling in some forms. perhaps with balsamic.
mircea_popescu: "I have a man-crush on whoever built it. So freaking good. Jeremy Toeman, President & Founder, Dijit Media" the cool thing is they link. ima now examine a whole pile of these.
mircea_popescu: "Letting you specify behaviors and click-actions would inevitably turn Mockups into a much more complex tool, which is a terrible thing for us: if we want to continue to be the in-between tool, Mockups needs to be extremely quick to learn so that every stakeholder can have their say with an equal playing field." << check it out, they even got the "level playing field" thing. what was the sf thing with the dumbing devices ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, this item is a fine fucking example of very, very sad slavegirls wasting their time "making a product" instead of dedicating those years to worship.
ben_vulpes: "there are no rules! anything goes! there's no logical explanation for this...discombooberation..."
mircea_popescu: "Your whole team can come together around the right design using Mockups. It's so easy to learn, both clients and customers can use it (for free even), to describe their needs more clearly." [because they are illiterate, and even if they aren't -- can rely on the requisite critical mass of literacy never being reached]
mircea_popescu: "Mockups is zenware, meaning that it will help you get "in the zone", and stay there. Our aim is for you to forget our software is there at all."
mircea_popescu: also, what's the asciilifeform 's meter say ? hyeroglyphs ? diagrams ?
mircea_popescu: should i be concerned that the pure brilliance factory failed to allign the script with the math symbols ?
trinque: https://angel.co/dubai << oh man, these people really dealt with the devil selling us oil, didn't they.
mircea_popescu: wtf is "balsamiq" omfg it never ends with these idiots trying to make money by doing each other's laundry.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes trinque i do think the dude is actually serious.
mircea_popescu: anwyay, there's a half dozen ppl keep linking reddit. if they switched to linking 8chan or whatever, it'd be that.
asciilifeform: hence the q.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform in particular has ~nfi, but noticed continued pulsation of reddit crapola in the #t l0gz, whereas voat eventually was forgotten.
mircea_popescu: as if anyone gives a flying fuck what difficulties middle eastern dorks have in going naked down the street.
mircea_popescu: anywya, im not reading this pile of garbage ; but from the skimming -- the whole argument is born of ignorance. reddit got its start as a heaven for child porn peddlers who got banned on digg.
ben_vulpes: i like the subtle satire. really makes it.
asciilifeform: ( unrelatedly, heathen pit aficionados : is https://archive.is/IO9SI an accurate description of the demise of 'voat' ? )
mircea_popescu: it's a meaningful distinction, if i say "in the prepuce" i dun mean injected into the foreskin ffs.
mircea_popescu: (for the record, since apparently dictionaries are as shitty as always - no, prepuce is not "technical term for foreskin". it is technical term for the space between foreskin and the glans ; similarily, it is not the skin surrouinding the clitoris, ie clitoral hood, but the fold between the two.)
asciilifeform: one of the painful parts of explanation is that failure proves nothing, beyond that particular failure.
mircea_popescu: and, while at it, let us also point out that i not being the living authority on explaining aristotle to people, my failure to explain to any specified group is not the mother of all proofs.
asciilifeform: but on the contrary , it can be -- i can write scheme interp in , e.g., basic, and it gets explained.
mircea_popescu: for the same money you might complain tail recursion can't be explained in any language hn speaks. hurr durr, let them fucking learn languages first.
asciilifeform: wasn't whole mega-shocker of the thread, that it was NOT translateable to any language that dutch knows ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but no, greek alphabet and most of greek text extant is understandable. and understood. that dutch can't be arsed is neither here nor there.
mircea_popescu: well apparently i never published the dildos in question. anyway.
asciilifeform: you don't finesse the extinguished-decoder problem by using different encoding.
asciilifeform: we also say it re the alphabets of extinguished authorities.
mircea_popescu: every queen in the valley of queens was buried with a shelf full of religious artefacts
mircea_popescu: you know this is what we say, about all the diagrams of extinguished authorities ?
mircea_popescu: well yes, in being a diagram, it's meaningless and therefore "a religious artefact"
mircea_popescu: which observation IS A SAD COMMENT on the whole problem, recursively!
mircea_popescu: even more entertaining in context than the finishbed product
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was nothing whatsoever scientific in the process that produced that idiocy.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the dorks ("scientists! scientific method! just the data! own determination!!1") involved had a whole story of how it's supposed to be universally meaningful.
trinque: oh look, I think they talk through those hoses in front, and only the hose-bearing ones talk.
mircea_popescu: lol. the poor aliens, you know.
mircea_popescu: come rto think of it, the strange love story between engineers and "diagrams - magical notation that works by itself!!! pity this never occured to anyone before!!!" produced lulzy shit like https://ieet.org/archive/similarpictoralmessage1402784506732038571.gif
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a whole pile, google image search for "harappan steatite" returns more than i knew / ever saw, so.
mircea_popescu: no, these lived in india.