mircea_popescu: i wonder what became of schmuck who bought the silk road pound of coke.
asciilifeform: ( then sold it to infamous schmuck. wonder what became of him )
mircea_popescu: it's almost like that tyime when mp said silk market is a joke and then it turned out couldn't sell a pound of coke over xmas.
mircea_popescu: same as then. you bought right ?
asciilifeform has nfi who , if anyone , is buying these nao
mircea_popescu: hey, by the time nobody's buying the blades of grass, this uppity tortilla v2.0 will be just about ready for the abstruse tardstalk posts.
mircea_popescu: in the sense that kramerica industries aka the new york living wage dept funded a decade of kramer's reading and beach shitting.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: he wrote a browser for pre ios mobile devices, it funded some half-decade of reading, fathering, beach-shitting.
asciilifeform looks up the latest names :
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did yarvin / urbit EVER do anything other than selling "space" of various description ? it's like reddit by now, wut.
mircea_popescu: not like dude's threatening to go around the cemetery and make you be alive against your will...
mircea_popescu: in other news, wtf are they talking about, "death threat." they call it "life insurance", why the fuck is it a death threat. it should be a life threat.
ben_vulpes: i wonder if my old ship still works on their network
asciilifeform: in other idiocies, https://sale.urbit.org is selling address space, this time Officially, and for btc. ( what good scamola ain't sold for btc ) . ( link won't display unless you enter code. 8112.7bd0.7ae6.6f17.b65d.3cb5 should work . )
asciilifeform: 'This year, I’ve been thinking about prime numbers, and my hosting provider has run another sale on domain names. So, I’ve bought isthisprime.com. You can probably guess what I’ve made it do.'
asciilifeform: 'what's the use of a comp with no command prompt' -- asciilifeform 20y ago ( and now ! )
asciilifeform: marveled at the 50 $ ( good money in those days ) scsi cables etc
asciilifeform: that one was to be found at, e.g., 'comp usa' ( i sometimes went there, marveled )
ben_vulpes: i was raised under the glorious unified apple toolchain
ben_vulpes: no i don't actually remember any of these marvels
asciilifeform: http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/html/1995/h188.html << watch how they slowly switched from bundling useful/fun things, to microshit appz
asciilifeform: not on asciilifeform's home planet, either -- there folx simply stole glass from work
asciilifeform: i suspect that in not too long, ratshack will be remembered the way the folx who sold, openly and for cash on barrel, chemical glassware are remembered - which is to say not at all, 'you gotta be shitting me, there were never'
mircea_popescu: "leveraging the synergies" or how's it called, "ironing out the waste and inefficiency" ? anyway. why need apple when has windows and intel ? samsung can make the tablets as usg.intel profit center.
asciilifeform: phunphakt : asciilifeform bought his first soldering iron on setting foot in usa, and the various junk to do with it, at ye olde ratshack
mircea_popescu: both legal and sane, like the dual aspect of particles.
mircea_popescu: kinda hard to sell the whole "corporate and venture capital" VHS tape to idiot kids considering "their future" if the radio shack goes bankrupt.
asciilifeform: a little like how reddit lives on, unharmed by the depth of its -ev
asciilifeform: not only this: the very same ratshack actually died once (i went to the same liquidation sales, bought the furniture, etc) and then somehow came BACK from the grave, (no prizes for guessing how -- printolade) undead, to live for another 3y
mircea_popescu: remember back when obamschev days, apple had like 30bn hoard of cash, the "economy" had "recovered" from crisis etc ?
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/hings-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-8-sam-finally-gathered/ << Trilema - hings That Happened To Sam. Chapter 8 - Sam finally gathered
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't mind chasing some usians around a little from a truck before finally shooting to maim and leaving them for dead.
asciilifeform: only 1 problem mircea_popescu -- there's very little meat to be had on this safari.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform bought up the lithium thionyl chloride batteries, for pennies
mircea_popescu: hey, the great again is going great, all the us "corporation!!!" turds popping like overstuffed frogs.
asciilifeform: these were the folx who sold resistors etc for their weight in gold. and when this did not bring in megabux, added phone and various rubbish.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, the venerable rat shack, american retail chain, that survived great depression ( founded 1921 ) -- is finally dying. ( for 2nd time ! 1st time had last-minute reprieve, a telco bought it )
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/things-that-happened-to-sam-chapter-7-the-actual-paddling/ << Trilema - Things That Happened To Sam. Chapter 7 - The actual paddling
asciilifeform: because the actual proof of this ~in re the practical incarnation~ appears to be absent.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-19 15:26 asciilifeform: (interest in the subj is slim, on account of miller-rabin probabilistic test provably converging - i.e. probability of catastrophic failure can be made smaller than probability of machine flattened by asteroid the same night)
asciilifeform: in unrelated noose, asciilifeform recently investigated state of the art re primality testing, and did not like what he found
asciilifeform: 'the fact that the back wheels were attached to the outside of the body rather than any kind of axle, as per the latest fashions and discoveries of French technology at the time' << l0l!!!
asciilifeform: the lulzy bit is that lem's future is the actual one -- where buncha idiots get brain-wrecked into believing themselves robots , while similar number of similar idiots -- believe that they are served by robots, etc
mircea_popescu: except -- of the mind.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform ain't in the mechanizing-away-your-brain business.
asciilifeform: 'purpose' in this sense is not an attribute of the object, but of the object-and-maker system. see also the thread re 'rng entropy'
asciilifeform: i can still observe sharpened stick and guess, likely correctly, that it was made so as to go into flesh; vs different stick, that - again correctly - i will say broke off a tree, by the wind.
mircea_popescu: now, let us quote that idiocy with "either everyone has justice, or no one does" ? or leave it for later.
mircea_popescu: once it's obvious that either everything has a purpose or nothing does, it's therefore established there is no such thing as purpose.
mircea_popescu: the clear proof (for the expert) that purpose is meaningless is the simple fact that if you accept it, then it follows as universal, whereas if you don't accept it, it's universally absent. this is always and everywhere the fate of null notions.
mircea_popescu: which is why a good hospital is the one where the doctor says "well mr p, here's what we could do to you" as opposed to "here's what we want to do "
mircea_popescu: purpose is an after the fact construction. like "religious artefacts"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this theory of yours is flawed. there is no such thing as purpose in nature.
mircea_popescu: leaving the aesthetics aside for a minute to focus on the technical -- i imagine these are testers, ie, "whether it works". no links.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what can i tell you ben_vulpes , i'm a writer not an engineer. i don't know so much about engines, just seemed to me like the right number. why, is it wrong ? << This actually might be most right
asciilifeform: ( with the 1 diff that a spambot has some sort of constructive purpose, if only to detune filters, whereas redditus has none )
mircea_popescu: i did not strip, hence the lulz.
trinque: asciilifeform claiming a distinction must still point to the distinction!
asciilifeform: ( also where did it put the viagra link ?? or did mircea_popescu strip it manually )
mircea_popescu: adds to the amusement. is it me who talks to bots unknowingly ? or is it...
mircea_popescu: moreover : can you prove they're not redditards ? how exactly.
mircea_popescu: no i know. i find them amusing.
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2012/o-hai-i-was-justing-doing-a-penetration-test-of-your-site/#comment-122056 << ftr these are bots
mircea_popescu: also amusingly, but on purpose, this sam story is becoming quite the intertextual lulz. it's a joy.
mircea_popescu: (amusingly -- flaubert allegedly spent $longinterval trying to decide which temperature reading is the correct number, between 19 and 17 or somesuch. or maybe it was proust. anyway.)
mircea_popescu: what can i tell you ben_vulpes , i'm a writer not an engineer. i don't know so much about engines, just seemed to me like the right number. why, is it wrong ?
mircea_popescu: i'm sure they didn't even have proper large text.
mircea_popescu: heh. the web progresses, alf. what do you want all those old websites for.
asciilifeform: in other olds, http://fatphil.org/maths/AKS << observe : almost all of the links -- dead.
mircea_popescu: anyway, but the misnotaiton : it's not /a/ it's /ə/. dr/ə/kula.
mircea_popescu: now the ~kid~, was named draculea /drəkulea/. this is a diminutive, exactly in the way "little boots" worked in latin. the term'd denote exactly that, little dragon-guy spawn.
mircea_popescu: if anyone's curious, the "drakula" thing is phonetic misnotation. the guy's father, vlad, was surnamed dracul /drakul/. drac means devil in modern romanian, but it also meant dragon at the time (1400s). dracul is articled form, -ul is how you make "the x" from "an x". the man got the surname because of german decoration he wore, which to locals looked like dragon.
ben_vulpes: the female lykkins get impregnated by the male lykkins and then spend all their time bitching about how his salary isnt enough for her and her spawns needs instead of you know buckling down and cooking, cleaning, making the shelves and other fixtures herself like any wife worth having.
a111: Logged on 2014-02-17 15:20 asciilifeform: try this one on for size then. 'once drakula proclaimed: let it be known throughout all of his lands, that all who are old, or invalid, or diseased, or poor, shall come to him. and so came to him an untold multitude of beggars and vagabonds, awaiting generous alms. he ordered them all brought to a house for this purpose built, and had food and wine brought to them. they feasted amidst great merriment. drakula t
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-17#511308 << the tepes tale in question, from earlier. )
mircea_popescu: the amusing thing being that these are in the vast majority male. for all the black eyes women get for free.
ben_vulpes: we call these "lykkins"
ben_vulpes: worm relegated to the bowels of amazon because never ranked over three, and never at risk of firing because never ranked at two is happy to munch turds forever.
ben_vulpes: not giving the practice any sort of legs to stand on, merely pointing out the american plastic version of another correct republican thing.
mircea_popescu: and the simile is, "if your lungs and liver and etcetera worked the way you code, you'd be just as dead as this guy."
mircea_popescu: this is what education is all about : putting the inept's ineptitude in terms he can understand. simile is the fundamental device thereof.
mircea_popescu: don't like the guy's driving, shoot his kid. sure, "kid is innocent", "that was uncalled for" bla bla. point fucking remains -- now he has to make another one, which takes no driving. at driving -- he sucks, so he can't appreciate what that means. putatively at other thing he doesn't suck nearly as much, so he CAN appreciate.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the most important thing being that they must be ~shot~. it's not that you lose "standing in the profession you were befouling". you must lose unrelated things.
mircea_popescu: they'd call you greek.
mircea_popescu: the romans specifically and explicitly despised men that thought.
mircea_popescu: it works for the same reason ratios don't work in prisons etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but the usual retellings don't include the EMH reference, there's no explanation as to why it worked.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes aha. dun work otherwise.
mircea_popescu: efficient market hypothesis -- he correctly judged that by the time music is being played and dancing is going on, the faux beggars had pushed out the real ones.
mircea_popescu: vlad tepes famously offered lavish banquet for the city poor (which at the time meant, men crippled so they can not work, are reduced to begging). he gave them ~ two hours, after which burned down the thing / guards cut down anyone trying to get out.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: they attempt to emulate this in safe-space style with "stack rankings"
asciilifeform not familiar with the primary source
asciilifeform: iirc this roman custom is somewhat misunderstood by modern folx -- they actually thought they were fixing a rusted ~luck~ by offing the ~unlucky~
mircea_popescu: but the best thing that you could do as google manager is, have swat teams round up all the employees in a field somewhere, randomly shoot 10% and tell the rest the next round of shooting is in six weeks, they'd better impress.
asciilifeform: though, further twist -- the ~original~ elbrus was a spiffy superscalar machine that actually beat usa state of the art at the time (cdc)
mircea_popescu: right. stalin had the right idea -- some remnants even visible under putin.
asciilifeform: believe or not, the copies were of 2 types, the ones made by smart folx who gave a shit -- were in many cases equals, or even actual improvements (e.g. su single-chip pdp) . the others... were done by same folx who pilfer ru budget today
asciilifeform: pre-90s -- another matter; runs on magnetic cores, transistors the size of your thumb, barbaric but it'll likely still work when archaeologists dig it up
mircea_popescu: stalin had the right idea.,
asciilifeform: ( phunphakt : putin recently proclaimed another $maxint grantolade tranche for 'proper clean ru os and iron' . i dare to predict that it will evaporate without a trace just like the last N times . )
mircea_popescu: you recall, the elbrus salesman
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i still can't fucking believe the ivan ivanov thing.
mircea_popescu: then stalin gave amnesty for people willing to fight zee germanz, and a bunch went. when they were picked up later for going back to the life... well... there were some philosophical disagreements inside.
mircea_popescu: vory/suka, for the record, is this ancient dispute in ru penal system, whereby it is verboten for respectable criminal to help the government. this going about as far as the jews, dudes won't push a fucking button.
asciilifeform: ( or how else would they have any clue re 'seekrit meeting' )
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 14:59 mircea_popescu: o btw, re the whole "fbi wars" of trumpreich : http://trilema.com/2013/the-cold-war-experts-over-here-are-having-a-ball-these-days/ (strictly for expert interest)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657356 << imho the most lulzy subtext is the tacit admission by washpo et al that wh is bugged
a111: Logged on 2015-08-29 19:40 phf: but if the argument is really reduced to воры/суки then guys above are idiots, because иван иванычи and have all the intelligentsia deficiencies
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 14:50 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657315 << there's very little interest to even ask who the fuck this peter norvig is. i was going to the first time it popped up five lines up, but then i was, eh, whatever. i guess ima ask since it got discussed a little. who the fuck is peter norvig ?
mircea_popescu: items halfway, trying to lie but not very good at it, a la http://trilema.com/2015/sooo-fetlife-is-butthurt/ are pretty much the entirety of pasture.
mircea_popescu: ie, the us krill is laughably vulnerable while tiny, sometimes transitions into outrageously mendacious through growing larger.
mircea_popescu: the way scum reproduction works is that when scum's tiny it does dumb shit like this and nobody really cares about it ; then as it grows up it moves to stealing mysql and naming it something else, like facebook.
ben_vulpes: i only have the vaguest idea from #saltminesocial
ben_vulpes: in other reddits and silicon valley developer fingertraps https://medium.com/@contact_16315/firebase-costs-increased-by-7-000-81dc0a27271d sure seems to imply that you can ruin the day of 'startups' using 'firebase' by hammering their service with poorly authenticated requests
mircea_popescu: 2013, right ? PUBLISHED. online. "nobody knows". oh, who's mp, that guy who pre-leaked the original cable leak by like a day and forced guardian & friends to release ??? NEVER HEARD OF HIM!!11
mircea_popescu: o btw, re the whole "fbi wars" of trumpreich : http://trilema.com/2013/the-cold-war-experts-over-here-are-having-a-ball-these-days/ (strictly for expert interest)
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 14:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657300 << heh. and the roman "empire" outsourcing to barbarians creates big barbarians and imperial shell game. see also the lulzy story of how the palace mayor became king of paris etc.
mircea_popescu: so they installed all the trampolines and tubes and whatnot, and guess what -- the retards spawned by the dumbest generation of autists in history LOVED IT!!11 omaigerd it's literally like being six all over again! there's even stylisized changing station on the wall to remind us of how mom "had to" keep us in diapers till we went to school! OMG LOVE!!!
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 14:05 phf: also doesn't leverage the competitive advantage of google. massive datasets, crowdsourced solutions (hire all the developers, hope something works!1)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657329 << no you don't understand, they have really cool offices! google guy was one day walking down the mall to pick up an office, was really fascinated by mcdonalds kid section, said HELLO SIR I WANT HIRE OFFICE HERE PLEASE.
mircea_popescu: story of kid who gave up on dating because he finally discovered masturbation, all hail Saint Elliot Rodgers, the martyr of his people.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 14:03 phf: there's an earlier talk he made, maybe 10 years ago, where he basically said "we used to do all these analytical algorithms to AI, but turns out you don't need none of that, because we have massive datasets instead."
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657324 << funnily mirror of the "We used to go out and talk to women, which was interesting, but it turns out you don't need to do all that, as there's all these... um... uh... massive...errr... data..sets, yeah, that's right, massive datasets to explore!"
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 13:53 phf: i doubt there's going to be one, the talk was made at lispnyc, but is otherwise very thin on lisp. ("LISP had exploratory programming, and we need exploratory programming, therefore, you lispers, go and ugh do things!1") i doubt there's any interest to transcribe it.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657315 << there's very little interest to even ask who the fuck this peter norvig is. i was going to the first time it popped up five lines up, but then i was, eh, whatever. i guess ima ask since it got discussed a little. who the fuck is peter norvig ?
mircea_popescu: they built star trek, what. victory of socialism!
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 13:43 phf: i guess that's aligned with the "we moved from SICP to python, because programming is no longer about writing code, but discovering libraries" that's periodically discussed in logs
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657309 << "i fucking love science" aka "there's so much out there to discover" aka "paradise is moving through space in your livingroom with the big tv and tables everywhere".
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 13:37 diana_coman: I saw this thing in action; and brighter kids effectively perking up when they finally find someone sane to laugh at such idiocy, call it by its name and actually help them understand something; in eternal words "it actually MAKES SENSE now!!"
mircea_popescu: then they show up at the office and expect it to be "the office", and why should people have them do work, just make an offer already.
mircea_popescu: but they're not learning anything, which is to say, as a self-transformative activity. they're "learning" in the sense of "raising awareness" about themselves, which is to say : they expect, or rather act as if they rightfully expected, that the whole world changes so as to accomodate them as they are. that's the whole story of this "learning".
mircea_popescu: it fucking didn't, which is the fucking point. ~IT~ didn't.
mircea_popescu: or, for that matter the lulzy story of how us "coalition" works out in practice. "gee, i wonder what happens if we have no soldiers and keep paying arabs to soldier for us...."
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 07:50 BingoBoingo: Anyways, the morality tale is thus: Big American companies outsourcing to small Chinese upstarts creates Big Chinese companies and small American shell games
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-17#1657300 << heh. and the roman "empire" outsourcing to barbarians creates big barbarians and imperial shell game. see also the lulzy story of how the palace mayor became king of paris etc.
phf: also doesn't leverage the competitive advantage of google. massive datasets, crowdsourced solutions (hire all the developers, hope something works!1)
a111: Logged on 2017-02-18 22:29 asciilifeform: '... what was once dedication is replaced by greed and sometimes sheer need as the motivation to enter the field.'
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 13:47 diana_coman: it certainly fits it perfectly, yes; and overall it also fits the more general pattern: the moment everyone gets to do it, one can tell that "it" is a. only a pale shadow of itself, b. going to shit full-speed ahead anyway
phf: there's an earlier talk he made, maybe 10 years ago, where he basically said "we used to do all these analytical algorithms to AI, but turns out you don't need none of that, because we have massive datasets instead."
diana_coman: well, 45 minutes to watch the video seem more like 45 minutes wasted; tbh the title reference doesn't bode well either
phf: i doubt there's going to be one, the talk was made at lispnyc, but is otherwise very thin on lisp. ("LISP had exploratory programming, and we need exploratory programming, therefore, you lispers, go and ugh do things!1") i doubt there's any interest to transcribe it.
diana_coman: ugh, I can't seem to find a transcript of the thing
phf: ...where he made a point that "computer science" has become an empirical science, done through experimentation, and "look it up on stack overflow" is part of the process. i thought he was joking
diana_coman: it certainly fits it perfectly, yes; and overall it also fits the more general pattern: the moment everyone gets to do it, one can tell that "it" is a. only a pale shadow of itself, b. going to shit full-speed ahead anyway
phf: i saw a rambling talk by peter norvig (he called it "as we may program", considering the complete lack of substance that's as bombastic reference as it gets)
phf: i guess that's aligned with the "we moved from SICP to python, because programming is no longer about writing code, but discovering libraries" that's periodically discussed in logs
diana_coman: I saw this thing in action; and brighter kids effectively perking up when they finally find someone sane to laugh at such idiocy, call it by its name and actually help them understand something; in eternal words "it actually MAKES SENSE now!!"
diana_coman: phf, the sad reality is that "school" nowadays *teaches* kids stack overflow/monkey copy/paste/ you-can-program-without-knowing-maths as "the way to learn"
phf: apparently not, there are people out there who believe that stack overflow programming is not just a viable strategy, but the only available one :o
phf: i somehow thought that stack overflow programming was a non-reflective activity, sort of like "hello sir madam, howdo i write network program in java??" comments on popular "epoll vs. kqueue performance analysis" posts back in the day
BingoBoingo: And no, Apple is not as big as Sears was. Apple sells no iHouse, and Apple has never conducted a public service on the scale of Sears donations of toilet paper to the masses that they wrote off as marketing
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the morality tale is thus: Big American companies outsourcing to small Chinese upstarts creates Big Chinese companies and small American shell games
BingoBoingo should have heeded alf's warning on the concept of pole mounted chainsaw and simply skipped to 36" bar and attacked tree at the stump
BingoBoingo contemplating sawing "fuck electric line" renting CS-800P and taking the whole fucking tree down
BingoBoingo: In other news I think I accidently acquired alf's pole saw from hell
asciilifeform: did he sue the rape whiners ?
asciilifeform: and whether to fund berkeley genderschool or not
trinque: trump loves suing people; what prevents him as president for suing the rag for libel?
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that a) trump decides what's secret and what isn't and b) lolreally ? wtf did the blue state imagine diplomacy is ? reading the fake news outloud ?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, washpo aggitating over how trump gave putin "Secret Infoz!"
mircea_popescu: obviously not the fucking same question for the deeply retarded female that waited to be 50 first.
mircea_popescu: isn't this a little like the 18 yo girlie asking "what'd getting into fucking this late get me anyways, people'd been fucking forever"
ben_vulpes: more of a sad little "what would getting into the wot at this late date get me anyways?"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes let me guess, the ever-sweet delusion that there's room "for everyone" and that whether random sack of flesh burns or achieves is somehow my fucking problem, not its fucking problem, cuz im supposed to be his mommy.
mircea_popescu: perfect medium for knowledge : while you wait for them to show up, you become more knowledgeable.
ben_vulpes: the "could i" construction indicates a particular breed of poverty-stricken subject of her "majesty"
ben_vulpes: in further butthurt from unidentifiedasswipe: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/FZ4aR/?raw=true
asciilifeform: if the crate had not taken as long as it did, to come -- would have saved quite a bit of time.
asciilifeform: had, among other things, almost literally my multiply-with-carry thing
asciilifeform: unrelatedly, 'finite precision number systems and arithmetic' (kornerup & matula, cambridge press) is mega-b00k, the only one i've found on subj that is NOT a mere plagiarism of knuth, has useful algos for e.g. carry-free ops, hardwarizations
asciilifeform: it ain't a rhetorical flourish, either -- nubbinses live life entirely same as a roach : set of reflexes
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: when's the last time an insect asked you something
mircea_popescu: it's dedication to the devil, plain.
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as genuine naivite enduring over half a decade unchanged.
ben_vulpes: the genuinely naive with two brain cells to rub together mighta at least asked "what dat" "how do i register" etc
mircea_popescu: the whole "so email him" comes with quite the heavy backhand. there's no washing of the treason of not showing up.
mircea_popescu: there is no difference in this sense between nubbins, an idle idiot, and nanotube, a respectable professor. scammers known like theymos and lukejr, supposedly honest idiots like szabo, agents known like gavin or unknown like whatever others have this much in commom -- the call was made, and they strayed.
mircea_popescu: not even a rando. the newborn has the excuse that he wasn't there to hear the calling ; but the dorks who frittered their time away in presence have no excuse, nor any way to wash the shame of their cowardly, subhuman build.
ua: also i could deliver them in person in like east germany
ua: these are*
ua: there are post leasing from poland, 175 euro apiece, 50 euro cheaper than i saw on ebay.de
ua: I have 20x Dell SC1435 available, these are 2x quad 2.2 Opteron 2374HE 16GB RAM 80GB HDD
ua: hi there
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: aha, "the new wokesman"
ben_vulpes: in other shops from bruces: http://68.media.tumblr.com/dd45666cbb61ec58d0cd41d4eb8f4b04/tumblr_oq22gmTurk1s2jikwo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: where by newspaper we mean the whole gamut of fake news, from redditwittetardopedia to "the new socialist" or w/e it's called.
mircea_popescu: but the general point being : the anglotard narrative is fundamentally broken. it's not you know, "broadly correct, needs adjustment". it can't be fixed. whatever you read in english newspaper makes you dumber, and you can't fix this.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, same as in korea - 20 years of slowly fading away.
mircea_popescu: by now, pretty much everything, all the way to diesel trucks, tractors etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what do they make in burma ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. the reason i point out burma is because the coup was successful, and the country is industrializing at chinese pace.
asciilifeform: trinque: believe or not, they spat it out, and it causes much butthurtz - refused, e.g., electric supply from su, insisted on building own, expelled military 'advisors', etc
trinque: when slurping the USSR's cock?
asciilifeform: at this point i'd doubt that they make anything at all in north kr. it is on deathbed.
asciilifeform: supposedly! ( i dun work there , cannot confirm )
asciilifeform: how many men under arms ? who made the arms ?
mircea_popescu: notice how silent the "crowd wisdom" is about all that ?
asciilifeform: what industry there ?
asciilifeform: it dies ( and it will die, there is limit to how many decades you can dance from a noose tightened by entire 'civilized' world ) there will be 0 remaining.
asciilifeform: which is why north kr was priceless treasure -- the ONLY remaining experiment with industry sans konsoomer-spending-britneyizes-all
mircea_popescu: though the two are just about synonymous in context.
mircea_popescu: the ~only reason it resists* i mean.
mircea_popescu: while that lasts. god knows the scum are trying their best to scumify china as well ; and sadder still -- the ~only reason it exists is that it's really just an alternate pathway to scum. slightly different sort of cockroach, that's all and no more.
trinque: the future being at all worthwhile is going to involve massive ratios of man to drone and drone to bodycount.
mircea_popescu: chinese have the bees.
asciilifeform: chinese experience in africa suggests otherwise. rm -rf / the locals, ship in worker bees.
trinque: there was perhaps some land worth ruling, who knows. but wtf, somebody's going to be father-janitor to these people.
mircea_popescu: you say you worked in biolab. you must've encountered the phial not worth the washing, yes ?
asciilifeform: perhaps not, but the sidewalks ~could~ be shit-free.
mircea_popescu: we could all be young and the walls could be ivory.
trinque: all these fat women, and sidewalks filled with human shit and shit humans.
asciilifeform: so closing borders, even supposing this were somehow desired by the lizards, ain't happening
asciilifeform: usa has the extra-lulzy feature that it ~relies~ on porous borders in order to work (~100% of agriculture, construction, etc. business in various places is mexican)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember when teh politburo shat it because they imagined the chinese'll start pouring over the border ?
mircea_popescu: its continued existence signifies the absence of interest and exactly no more.
mircea_popescu: then again, the us of today would pretty much collapse in a year of rhodesia treatment, supposing anyone could be arsed to apply it.
mircea_popescu: and the netflix scum nod along, "oh yes, terrible, terrorism, moo, moo"
mircea_popescu: trinque the adventure of say rhodesia is instructive. suddenly the imbecile twitter horde is trying to play counterstrike around your borders "for democracy", while the idiots are cheering them on. god fucking forbid black dudes with machine guns start pouring over border in us, at the rate of a few thousands a year.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i personally know two ... groups, let's say, that triedf the whole take over game. leaving aside the petty private satisfactions [of jailing the other trailer park trash they grew up with], economically it's been improductive.
asciilifeform: i suspect that the 'ju-jitsu' kit, 'club enemy with his own arm', 'sit on river side and wait for corpses to float by', has limitations; and for some things you probably need a physical castle. but then again i'm not in the mircea_popescuation business.
asciilifeform: hm speaking of the bomb, iirc great U deposits in ro
trinque: asciilifeform: think of the expense of holding that territory, and then you have all these underlings who don't want to pay you!
asciilifeform: which romania, though. the current demooocracy one, or a re-created 18th c. one, consisting of current minus the moocows (sell to dairy farmers, berbers, whichever specialists)
mircea_popescu: though i've not seen the numbers.
mircea_popescu wouldn't take over eg romania if they paid. i can't imagine oregon or w/e is any better
mircea_popescu: but the alternative is to shoot the "democratically elected" and take over. and the sad truth of the matter is that it's actually AN EVEN WORSE DEAL.
mircea_popescu: irl, paying tax out of net is a sucker's game. you want to pay the talent out of net, like they do in holyingwood, and the criminals out of gross.
mircea_popescu: half the time it does anyway.