IamAGirlsoInever: ant appears regularly even when they mine a block with one tranny.
IamAGirlsoInever: Weird, it killed the nick end apparently, was f*a*r*t of course.
asciilifeform: everything appears in the logz.
hanbot: i'm pretty sure you're supposed to put things in water *before* you wring them, .ro clearly backwards
mircea_popescu: (don't pluck live ducks -- you're supposed to wring neck first, steep in boiling water 2nd, then pluck ; don't chase pig around with meat cleaver, you need dagger to cut its jugular first.)
mircea_popescu: and in other "confusingly weird footage of nevertheless accurate romanian wood civilisation life, tools and etc", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbRVPP7hoVg
phf: it's all about controlling the narrative
asciilifeform: the keyz -- unbreak ?
asciilifeform: i admit that i dun quite grasp the logic : what, if usg makes 9,001 of these, the actual phuctor will disappear..?
shinohai: The faux phuctor of fi ! >.>
asciilifeform: 'One application of the KNO is for testing of random number generators (RNGs). The idea is that it is extremely unlikely that a properly working RNG will generate the same random 128-bit number twice...'
phf: oh you know what it is, it's not inline, check the Index and Glossary
phf: all three of mine are in book boxes (i just moved) but they definitely have cyrillic (as well as all the other friends of the people, e.g. al khwarizmi spelled in arabic, japanese etc.)
asciilifeform: but betcha they - also
asciilifeform: phf: i dunno which edition you have, but in mine they are in latinate
phf: but he does use cyrillic! when he needs to obsessively write correct name for a mathematician in his AoCP references
asciilifeform: and certainly uses no heathen cyrillic..
phf: it's the simplest solution i found to typeset cyrillic with plain tex, but i can't get font mapping to work..
shinohai: http://qntra.net/2017/05/still-no-consensus-supporting-bitcoin-hardfork-barry-silbert-pretends-otherwise-to-his-peril/#comment-99155
shinohai: I think I forgot to add the archive.is to his tweet, article underwent revision before published.
shinohai: "A conference sponsored by the Ethereum,1 Dash,2 and Ripple3 scams produces an agreement on how to scale Bitcoin". <<< twas him from twitter
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 22:47 asciilifeform still finds it interesting that g_l did not ask re the rng sample .
deedbot: 2017/04/02 08:26:34 <saifedean> in any case, these only inform the last couple of chapters of the book. the rest is mostly economic history and austrian economics on sound money and its perks & fiat money and its disasters
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo Saifedean Ammous (The guy ripped apart by diana_coman one Sunday in logs ) is upset that my latest Qntra did not attribute his quote. Please advise how to proceed.
asciilifeform: possibly because the milk is powdered
asciilifeform: possibly at this point there's 7 d00dz using 'his' nick.
asciilifeform still finds it interesting that g_l did not ask re the rng sample .
a111: Logged on 2016-07-20 01:18 asciilifeform: it was a very strange experience, like having a contract killer sent for you who worked his whole life in a slaughterhouse and literally expects you to behave EXACTLY like cow, to simply walk up to where he has the ~stationary~ stun hammer
asciilifeform has at this point lost count of the 'fine folx' who offered him 'sure profitz' involving white powders/militias/deathrays across-the-border/across-the-ocean/in-shangri-la/in-shiticonvalley etc etc
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 15:14 mircea_popescu: and the most bitter fruit of this entire tree of idiocy being that in six months to a year, we'll be right back to "oh, orlol boat and lizzards are keeping the hydrogen engine under wraps".
gabriel_laddel_p: fwiw, I'd like to apologize for the spelling errors above. on an apple computer & it spell corrects me / removes text / sends messages I didn't intend to send. Eg, "incidentally ascii" was supposed to be prefaced with "Amen. "
gabriel_laddel_p: so you search around the chemical space to find the most potent white powder == sell more
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: do you realize that you are becoming somewhat hard to distinguish from the late thestringpuller
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: most of the people buying have no idea, they just know "white powder makes me feel good"
gabriel_laddel_p: you CANNOT buy d-amphetamine, or any of the enantiomers / diastereomers of meth / cocaine.
asciilifeform: because wat, they don't watch american detective tv ?
asciilifeform: and srsly, they have nfi that chiral column exists, i am supposed to believe.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: if I had experience with the cartel's I'd be making money in the way described above.
asciilifeform: see pretty much all of the mircea_popescu jail threads
asciilifeform: aaaactually they like jail fine
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: they don't want to end up in jail any more than you do
gabriel_laddel_p: d-amphetamine is WAYYY better & an easy sell, but not available on the market
gabriel_laddel_p: if the cartel's knew even simple things like "most of our product is chiral" they could sell a lot more
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 15:19 mircea_popescu: it may not be the end all be all, but if you fail to impress me with your idea, you don't have an idea. absolute minimum bar, the master's eye which fattens the cows.
gabriel_laddel_p: and also to demonstrate that "oh no, FG can't be sold" is in the same bucket as http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2016#1381606
a111: to fix the UNENDING STREAM of precious bull run
asciilifeform: the elephant, naturally
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, in the dinner date conversation ideas, "who'd win a fight between the greatest douchecanoe and the worst shitlord ???"
mircea_popescu: how the fuck their thinkers work i have no idea, but probably something with symmetrical scintillations.
mircea_popescu: right right, because it's irreproducible AND THEREFORTE VALUABLE.
mircea_popescu: not just the facts anymore ?
ben_vulpes: you know, the church of progress where you pray, self-flagellate, to eudaly and hardesty et al for wisdom and guidance
ben_vulpes: it's progress you see, they weren't going far enough before
ben_vulpes: the church of woke
ben_vulpes: the church is maintaining its own hit list now
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: didja see the list of hated business i posted a few days ago?
asciilifeform: but meanwhile, in ben_vulpesistan, it neversleeps!, https://archive.is/DYc5c >> 'The owner of a burrito food cart in Portland has been driven out of business by social justice warriors who accused the two white women who run the business of "cultural appropriation."'
asciilifeform: it won't work, mircea_popescu , the squid ink
mircea_popescu: "here's something else than what i was talking about doing something else than what i was talking about, therefore."
asciilifeform: or visit spy shop and get the laser microfone, same idea.
asciilifeform: fughet the gamma.
mircea_popescu: you will... know because you measure the distance, and because no masking epiphenomena may exist ? really ? because your clocks work so well that they can be used against photons themselves, and calipers ditto ?
mircea_popescu: this is almost better than the nuclear pykrete submersible aircraft.
asciilifeform: you know because they're X/c apart
asciilifeform: ( where famously tie-two-jews-together-to-use-1bullet )
asciilifeform: 'Facebook is the third of what is probably a quartet (or quintet) of the destruction of the innocence of computing. First was viruses, second was malware, third is facebook. I suspect fourth will be related to control of networking itself, and fifth will be licensing of high level computer ability. But let’s not get ahead of ourselves.' << mega-lulzy, ty Framedragger
asciilifeform: the reproducible ~t~rng is a contradiction in terms.
asciilifeform: jurov: afaik no solution is known , aside from the familiar 'prng and seed published at the end of the day/week/whichever'
asciilifeform: jurov: the problem posed is quite reminiscent of ye olde 'provably fair casino' thread of '14
mircea_popescu: whoa, some lightning strikes the likes of which...
Framedragger: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-24/ecb-warns-of-dangers-of-ripple-effect-from-house-price-boom 2008 called! "Exuberant house price developments in certain regions could, in principle, threaten the stability of financial institutions with mortgage exposures concentrated in those regions"
jurov: um...signing that would be problematic, then
asciilifeform: jurov: not a bad idea. and maybe you'll even discover some zeroblockpadding bug, a la the dd thing
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 17:42 asciilifeform: while we're on subj, i'll say that there is probably a good reason why most commercial faux-rng makers don't offer a sample download.
asciilifeform: this is not intended to rain on mod6 et al's parade, but rather in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1662086 .
jurov: i had and experiment too, in 3 months went up to 420k blocks, but found out the cheapo ssd failed
BingoBoingo: In other news negrodamus finished sync experiment a few days ago for a roughly 6 month sync time in the wild with spinning rust. Is at present mostly keeping up (i.e. 3 blocks behind atm)
Framedragger: aha i guess that's the main uh political bottleneck
asciilifeform: Framedragger: didja read the quoted text ?
asciilifeform: jurov: if you get the thing rooted plz lemme know
asciilifeform: in all fairness, sony is infamous for this, i had their original prs500
asciilifeform: 'Digital Paper Application is required for synchronization and document transfer between Digital Paper and PC. USB connection required to install the Digital Paper application on your PC.' << srsly?!
asciilifeform: now if this were a comp, WITH A KEYBOARD, that ran for month+ on 1 battery charge -- then yes, it'd have a point
asciilifeform: esp if it has the usual snail refresh
NoMyName: Ok, I know what a lemma is, I have had the occasional quandry, I don't know what the three premises are?
NoMyName: I have seen your name everywhere in the blogs of record. Bingo! Boingo! Are you a person, or a bot?
NoMyName: My daddy is dead, but he was a very fine doctor, and taught me the value of knowing things.
asciilifeform: in other quasi-noose, http://shop.voipdistri.com/Embedded-board-und-Mini-PC-System-bundle/Embedded-Boards-633/Deciso-Netboard-A10-Embedded-Motherboard---BIG-performer--low-power--AMD-next-generation-G-Serie-SOC-Chipset.html << possible 3rd board that worx with sage.
mircea_popescu: which is why "open source" is fundamentally useless. the poor idiots trying to hallucinate the poor idiot world where they can't be cut down for being poor idiots.
asciilifeform: like all other blades, this one worx best when sharp.
asciilifeform: there was this one time, however, when great persian царь-государь xerxes, negrated the sea...
mircea_popescu: the principle is solid : the fact that someone from stanford published a shitty piece means THE WHOLE USG is now negrated, if there's not a lower node to negrate.
mircea_popescu: "the whole thing, mp" "yeah well, that happened three seconds in."
mircea_popescu: anyway. the overarching point is that risk per se is not the problem. unmanageable risk, of the sort that arises in poorly defined situations, is the problem. which is why open source is fundamentally useless, be it in the fdorm of ubuntu, or wikipedia. who do i negrate ?
lobbes: (+mircea_popescu) mod6 i can't imagine lobbes 's have any issue lending the bot, once this is all in place. << yeah, no issue here. I'd be honored to have genuine entropy traded via bot
mircea_popescu: "water -- literally falls from the sky, and he BUYS it." afghan would have a lulz.
asciilifeform: i buy barrels of water. can laugh at it just the same.
asciilifeform: for game, most folx seem happy with porcelain, prng, rather than platinum, trng, toilet. but hey - who wants, can sell, buy.
asciilifeform: for montecarlo then ?
trinque ranks "I live in an arena where men stand on their names." as only dream
mircea_popescu: and obviously "oh but x could backstab you". yes, he could. and in the process give me proof he did.
trinque: just like the boat thing
mircea_popescu: if it did fit, it did fit, and if it didn't fit it's not there.
mircea_popescu: not at 0.1 btc, certainly, but as mod6 points out, not 0 either.
mircea_popescu: should i need entropy i'd rather wotbuy it than os-"make" it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elaborate re hypothetical conditions ?
asciilifeform: but will observe that both sellers of rng bits, and esp. buyers, are a little 'off their rockers' imho.
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure what this is about. you have some sort of objection to other people platying with the bots or ?
mircea_popescu: im sure it is the easiest.
trinque: asciilifeform: how do you square that with other threads where "will someday be rare to own a computer"
shinohai: That entire site is a lulz farm, and was proffered as the easiest way to do gpg on reddit darknet,makets page
asciilifeform: can't help, there.
asciilifeform: aaah 'perceived values', yes, that's three doors down from asciilifeform . right next to where they make the plastic 'bitcoins' and plastic porches etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform perceived value is the question.
asciilifeform: the value of promisetronically engraved 'your name on it' is ~0.
asciilifeform: anyone recall the ancient 'pgp key generating service' ?
mod6: but it's crossed my mind a number of times since i started testing these things.
asciilifeform: rather like 'price of porn'
asciilifeform: mod6: so only question of time before price goes to 0 and stays there permanently.
trinque: mircea_popescu: important point that, otherwise folks run around thinking bitcoin will fix all the social problems by itself.
mircea_popescu is vaguely amused at how wanna-be ronin slavegirl imagines "there's a lo of cryptocurrencies now". ie, there's n oconspiracy needed, the poor idiots will simply HALLUCINATE the poor idiot world. be it there or not.
mircea_popescu: original is likely the trilema piece about "Future of bitcoin", predicting how people are going to do the most stuipid thing, and explaining how it's not for fucking sneakers.
trinque: this though seems in line with the fact that not everyone owns his own ass.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 03:53 mircea_popescu: well if it's discussed with slavegirls and a great pink fuzzy harem with soft velvety marbles and foggy complex pools... then yes@
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 03:53 trinque: there was another thread where it was discussed that the common person would merely operate out of an account held by his lord, and everyone bobbled heads at that because the framing felt good.
mod6: put up 1.5Gb of entropy... start the bidding at say 1mn ecu
mircea_popescu: mod6 i can't imagine lobbes 's have any issue lending the bot, once this is all in place.
trinque putting a great deal of thought into the payment thing precisely because that sort of side channel is likely to be the unwashed masses way to pay, forevermore
trinque: asciilifeform: in re beggers and target market, folks did get rich owning the world, as mircea_popescu said
asciilifeform: on the other, historic end of things, we have the infamous https://www.rand.org/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1418/index2.html
mircea_popescu: kinda how this works. by the timpe peopple pay bots here for rng, we're simply owning the world and no more. which is why i said maybe premature.
mod6: i can't know who would want this, but i'd imagine i wouldn't discriminate on who would want it. just as long as they PAY.
asciilifeform: mod6: whichever model you go with, beggars are probably not the target market
mod6: and as far as "sample" perhaps that's not how it works. maybe like via trinque's thing or something. but i agree, there is some sort of model here.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 i'd imagine price'd work out to somewthing like double the commercial cost of bw, or somesuch. << sure, something. > than 0 tho.
asciilifeform: where previously there was none.
asciilifeform: there are gradations of idiocy. merely re-arranging the bits does not induce correlation.
asciilifeform: while we're on subj, i'll say that there is probably a good reason why most commercial faux-rng makers don't offer a sample download.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i'd imagine price'd work out to somewthing like double the commercial cost of bw, or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and fucking is also intrinsically promisetronic. so what of it ? most of the things we do and enjoy are founded onm promise.
mircea_popescu: if they're happy with hash(x) can get entropy right now by curl google.com > sha512sum.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: offering trng output for someone to download, for money, or otherwise, is intrinsically promisetronic
mircea_popescu: iuf thyey want prng, they can has. if they do not, they can has. rest is really not my problem.
asciilifeform: the payload is an aes256 of the input, key (irrelevant to this gedankenexperiment) lives in the headers yes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this doesn't touch the payload
asciilifeform: which is 'whitening' if the starting material is 0000....000 , but doesn't hurt if trng.
mod6: anyway, just throwing it out there.
asciilifeform: no, they get ~same amount as if paid.
mircea_popescu: i suspect most of the .1 btc you came up with is payment friction, rather than anything else.
asciilifeform: mod6: and the folx who didn't pay, cannot distill entropy from your ciphertext because ..?
mod6: maybe charge by the byte, or jiggabyte. something. have to figure out what the market is willing to bear as a price tho.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 13:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661592 << not in principle. maybe the reserve is a little high, maybe the concept is too soon ; certainly he can't pay and it's somewhat dubious to explain why he should. but hey, gotta start sometime/somehow/somewhere.
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661674 << was thinking there, for those who would want it, a model where guy asks for N bytes of entropy via FG. would generate N bytes. base64 encode the binary entropy file (similar to trb deps), place the sha512 output hash of the base64 decoded file along with the ent & dieharder output in a clearsigned message, then PGP encrypt it to the requester.
asciilifeform: ( rather than to, say, deedbot )
mircea_popescu: that's why iot can even see google in the first place.
asciilifeform: e.g. every time a phuctor hit is in the l0gz
asciilifeform: at this point hard to be sure whether jurov sees it in 2nd place because he lives in that ip block
asciilifeform: jurov: bing per se , is the idea
mircea_popescu: it's there.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: # trng hashtag on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/hashtag/trng>; No Such Labs (of Phuctor fame) releases hardware TRNG | Crypto: <https://voat.co/v/Crypto/comments/1451328>; ISIS Fighters Roll Across Iraq — Until They See the Peshmerga ...: <https://news.vice.com/article/isis-fighters-roll-across-iraq-until-they-see-the-peshmerga>
mircea_popescu: well ? not like you're googling them by name wtf.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: computer desk | Cool shit I want! | Pinterest | The o'jays, Awesome ...: <https://www.pinterest.com/pin/411868328392348642/>; 30 Things To Do When you are Bored and have a Computer: <http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/03/30-things-to-do-when-you-are-bored-and-have-a-computer>; The 20 Most WTF Magical Items in Dungeons & Dragons: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: maybe someone somewhere is working on this, maybe they aren't, it's not the sort of question ima decide sitting here.
mircea_popescu: i'm not, nor do i give a shit. but by some definitions of "public" (ie, i'm lazy, let it come to me) fg is also not public. whereas what people are working on is not really the public's problem anyway.
mircea_popescu: how would you know who's working on the problem ?
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's argument was not that 'plastic is strong enough', entirely possible that suitable materials do not yet exist. but that ~NOBODY is seriously working on the problem at all. ~nothing's been seriously tried.
mircea_popescu: and note that i didn't "immediately think". you asked me "what would be point of poorman yacht" and i correctly said whoring. rich people use them for sport, but i don't see you racing your concoction. if for no other reason then because regattas are always fulla hopeful hos, and generally very crowded.
mircea_popescu: of course it theoretically might. the theory is tailored to the intended audience. "by their lights" it seems to make sense.
mircea_popescu: no. but "x dun work, y theoretically might" is how cattle ends up in ranch.
mircea_popescu: this theory is how asciilifeform pays wash dc rents, also.
asciilifeform: but thread wasn't re 'anything'. was re, say, 10,000 hrs, of asciilifeform -- ain't worth , per market, what a livable boat costs. whereas theoretically could kit build.
mircea_popescu: there was no consideration given to amount. the argument was qualitative not quantitative.
mircea_popescu: yeah, there are exceptions, such as notably "trainer items". you can buy sportscar kits these days for instancer, so rich kids can graduate from getting lego set for 6th birthday to getting a carbox on their 16th. by the time they get it together they have a permit too.
asciilifeform: a kit build ( and oughta be interpreted broadly, e.g. gentoo entirely counts ) lets folx convert their otherwise not-monetizable spare time, into a product, which in many cases they could never otherwise own
asciilifeform: lol some modern derp bought the name?!
mircea_popescu: it doesn't say "all beings" , it says "all comers". they come on their own power, they're comers.
asciilifeform: it ain't 'to allcomers' though, but to folx with skill and will to assemble the thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform everything that is OFFERED, to all comers, to "make themselves" is, definitionally, industrializable.
mircea_popescu: at-home subsidizing. though in modernity that function is mostly covered by the inca.
mircea_popescu: generally this "Finish at home" thing is very much related to fan extraction (as per http://trilema.com/2013/youre-the-guy-who-wasnt-good-enough-to-sling-dope/#selection-73.120-73.157 ) in the sense that only items which are not actually ev are offered in this way.
asciilifeform: if the tech existed.
jurov: wasn't there plenty of precedent in ostblok?
mircea_popescu: why we even have leather shoes, for instance.
mircea_popescu: the categories aren't very clearly divided in practice ; and plenty of precedent.
asciilifeform: fact : there is more than one way to engineer. e.g., you can engineer for rich, industrious idiots ('raytheon' style). you can engineer for rich, lazy idiots (yachts from rare woods, with diesel motor). for poor, lazy idiots: 'mass' konsoomer electronics. for poor, industrious, smart folx -- can also engineer. but ~0 precedent to work from.
mircea_popescu: not like the only fucking reason we even bother with math is that UNLIKE reality, it allows for large empty spaces.
mircea_popescu: also crypto QED so there is that.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you're missing the point -- maybe there's other people on the ocean you sail on, but on the ocean alf's boat would sail on there's nobody. that's why he's even doing this, to "put distance". this can be had for the asking, because really, world wouldn't fucking dare not satisfy such perfectly reasonable request.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, there's good reason warships are still made with steel. Resists pirate gun.
jurov: let's bikeshed this. does tmsr have a flag to put on the dirigible?
mircea_popescu: lol check out where the political discussion was actually to be found. alf wants the elements to enlist in tmsr, help behead empire.
BingoBoingo: <jurov> BingoBoingo: you mean toluene? << Whatever's in the little containers they sell at every plumbing supply store
asciilifeform: expensive, but not necessarily 'too', if gives the coveted 100year hull.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the wood that a proper boat supposedly 'must' be made of. << There are good reasons for this must. Things grow in water that eat lesser woods. Alternative is PT boat that is going to leach preservative everywhere and then get ate by the sea
asciilifeform: pykrete ain't ice though, the sawdust is strong insulator
mircea_popescu: well, you know the phase heat of water, so...
asciilifeform: now, how many watts it takes to keep the thing solid, asciilifeform does not know
asciilifeform: ( as was found during the prototype run )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz you want to save in linens by keeping the womenz naked which means tropical waters.
mircea_popescu: the principal advantage of the garbage raft is that the broken outer cells (and they will break) provide a sort of damming for the inner cells. might be worth money, this.
BingoBoingo: <jurov> why they don't build houses with plastic sheets and epoxy, then? << If alf does PVC or CPVC he can skip the epoxy and go straight to solvent welding!
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: by this arg, chick is 'the rich man', pays 0..
mircea_popescu: in all fields, whoever pays rent is the poor man.
mircea_popescu: "hey, baby, what you doin' sat night ? wanna come to YACHT ?!?!" she's more likely to break her pomodoro dinner date to go on a yacht than vice versa. then it's a "well, i'm horny and there's only one dick here, i guess i like this guy. else i'm a whore. i'm totally not a whore though, so i really like him."
asciilifeform: esp. the diesel type
mircea_popescu: cuz the poor man's mating strategy includes a "cop", which wortks by rarity, and an "isolate", which the ocean makes available.
mircea_popescu: i turn down more invitations to yacht!!! than i accept, by a large margin, and if i go it's cuz the girls and little more. who the fuck in his right mind wants to be on the ocean idly like that. island ++ lawds have mercy.
mircea_popescu: dude i wouldn't give less of a shit, for all i care every two bit social worker case can make a pile of garbage / empty bottles and go sailing into the sunset. what's it to me ?
asciilifeform: i know this because he did not start out with 'there exists NO suitable plastic, fool' but with vikings and galleons.
mircea_popescu: ferroconcrete deals with wind. plastic reinforced in the (expensive!) manner you describe might very well lose adherence because too much variance between the plastic and the spines, you'll end up with it being raked, practicvally. which is the point of the lens cement comment -- you must have VERY CLOSE materials. lest the mix gets warm or something.
asciilifeform: this however is a political thread : it is not because of mircea_popescu's deep study of plastics, and the strain forces exerted by the sea, that he takes his position, but because This Has Always Been And Therefore Must Always Be .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're taking a child's view of water. it's not the fucking proofing that's at issue, is structural problems induced by having a force vectror that's substantial, constant, and randomly changing direction. that's why metal excels, it can take random load like that. plastic can't. wood soprt-of can, maybe.
mircea_popescu: which is also why whenever the boat is intended to stay unattended in blue water for mn seconds sort of thing, it's always metal.
mircea_popescu: just consider the sad circumstance that you don't like x because of y property you happen to have heard of ; but you have no clue z has problem p. as a for instance, nobody seems to have ever mentuioned to you that plastic boats have a very fixed "open sea" time. and if you knew what it was you wouldn't like it. which is why rich people still buy wood yachts for pleasure.
asciilifeform: how about mircea_popescu's mental habit of believing that the gods themselves made the sea as a toy for the rich,
mircea_popescu: as i said, the principle of technical improvements isn't at issue here. your miserable discoursive and i'm starting to fear mental habits are.
mircea_popescu: yes, well, the leap in domain was not made by courtiers sitting around going "i bet you could totally use the philosopher\s stone to make aluminum cheap"
mircea_popescu: no. bought and for this purpose i have at least the basic idea of how shit works, and why. because i gotta know why am i paying this much.
asciilifeform: bought, bought, and therefore toilet MUST be gold
mircea_popescu: it may not be the end all be all, but if you fail to impress me with your idea, you don't have an idea. absolute minimum bar, the master's eye which fattens the cows.
mircea_popescu: and no, you're not going to come off the cuff with something meaningful to say in that converesation, because you have no clue about the design space or the constraints. exactly like i have to tell you how a fucking tractor works to plow a fucking field. and so fucking on.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 14:52 mircea_popescu: plastic IS used in boatsmaking, but it is specially made plastic, for the purpose.