mod6: lol. it was one piggybacking on another!!1
mircea_popescu: no, they can stand see
mircea_popescu: the brits aim to send people to jail for watching "cartoon porn", yet nobody has yet figured out pretendin the overfat are human is an insult to suines everywhere.
mircea_popescu: absolutely depicting the obese as human, showing supposed "affection" etcetera should be a felony.
mircea_popescu: the achievement of standing up
mircea_popescu: and no, the two aren't fucking coincidental.
mircea_popescu: send them to pick garbage on highway side for a coupla weeks for their impure thoughts, i say
mircea_popescu: somehow 50yo redneck taking girlie to his house in the woods and showing her a ropey good time for a coupla weeks is like a fucking emergency ; but 20something sexually useless wreck daydreaming about her boss doesn't even warrant a slap on the wrist ?
BingoBoingo: You mean fetishually harassing their bosses
mircea_popescu: "fake news faux editorialists jailed today for sexual fetishism involving their bosses."
mircea_popescu: why they spend so much time trying to imagine that on the company dime is nobody's line of inquiry, i expect.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No seriously. NYT and LAT had girlie pantsuit columnist write that Comey is exactly what they imagine being sexually harassed by the boss is like
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo considering the man is what, 777 yo, that title is particularly lulzy
mircea_popescu: the curse of the 3yo brain, to be unable to distinguish between car and cardboard cutout depicting car.
mircea_popescu: this is lulzily reminiscent of the weabo thing sina dug up yest. it's easy enough, from the tard perspective, to go "hey, i live in canada, mp lives in romania, basically the same thing yes ?" but then a few years go by, during which mp has lived in argentina and costa rica, and well... suddenly it's not nearly all that similar anymore.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-12 16:53 asciilifeform: trinque: kako now runs a public pissoire , voice-for-all, complete with gimmebots, ethertards, etc., many joys
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1669139 << i thought the prediction was to be for the exact opposite occuring.
mircea_popescu: this wouldn't be the same redirecting links in a html, where _anchor_ used to go to url1 but now it'd (silently, unless you kept actual html copies) goes to url2. but in irc format there's no way to link other than by textually dumping a link, so...
a111: Logged on 2017-06-12 16:17 phf: asciilifeform: so right now, if you click in the little up arrow, it'll take you to the location in btcbase. i think i might've disabled link substitution at some point on account of it being a subtle log manipulation
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1669131 << it's a thorny bush, but i'm with alf : as long as the TEXT reads historically accurate, where the text links can be up to your implementation. person doesn't like where you direct the links, the historicval original is one copy/paste op away.
diana_coman: <mod6> diana_coman is a warrior; nice post <- out of the saddest necessity really; thanks!
phf: right now i have a handful of hacky python scripts that simply proxy /mkj/yyyymmdd and /bvulpes/yyyymmdd. they return dates in kako format, but parse html using pyquery.
mircea_popescu: "honey, if one night you see the artichoke bush sneaking into the bedroom, push this lever here and then hold the spigot that way and crank this."
mircea_popescu: then winter fucking came, and there they sat under the snow, green and preppy as everything. and i was googling for home version flamethrowers, for you know, insurance just in case like.
ben_vulpes: my blog is story of ignorant american bumpkin discovering slowly painfully each and every lie he's been told by the imperial press corps
mircea_popescu: i imagine somewhere deep down they'll expect i'll come to believe this is my fault, or something. weirdo socialist shifthink.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-12 17:20 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1668953 << dude's in fucking love, clearly. yo benjie : that's how plants look irl, not girl's fault you grew up in the boot of a 2 seater roadster!
mircea_popescu: of course, same 95% of players disappears back into the agar.
phf: a fairly inexpensive way to learn some of the tmsr lessons
mircea_popescu: (believe it or not, ~95% of pw recovery attempts fail because the player lost his password in the sense of, ALL SOFTWARE ON THE MACHINE, data included.)
phf: i kind of want to take a stab at doing a common lisp text only client, but i think i lost my password again, and i'm too embarrassed to ask for another recovery........
asciilifeform: phf: i'd doubt that the existing open sores turd would do the job ( esp how 'render without gpu' is a more or less entirely untested component, 'everyone has gpu!111' etc )
mircea_popescu: heck, danielpbarron is moving towards an actuall dvd distro of the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: phf the topic of making clients for teh eulora is very much open, my model is that there's a bunch of 3rd party clients, from text to whatever gpu-enabled thing.
phf: i think crystal space already supports limited software rendering, but figuring out how to properly enable it seems to be not for the faint of heart
mircea_popescu: and no, never relinquishing political control, ever, no fucking way. colonial empire all the way, force the locals to either absorb themselves into whiteness or spawn chattel indefinitely.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's part of what the publisher will accept as art assets, see ?
asciilifeform: phf: i know very little re eulora design process, but did assume that mircea_popescu et al deliberately put in a polygon count limit, and that the logic was approx like this.
phf: asciilifeform: sure, considering that graphics are intentionally seem to be kept might&magic like can easily render the whole thing in software
mircea_popescu: imagine, eulora played for paypal ? fuck that shit with a hot iron poker, there's NO WAY shitworld claws back to relevancy.
mircea_popescu: absolutely never licensing any of this. people wish to contribute, they get to participate, not to "just like bitcoin with a little bit of censorship" bullshit.
asciilifeform: btw the graphics , as seen by asciilifeform's naked eye, suggest that a cpu-only renderer ( 0 magic iron ) could, in theory, run eulora
asciilifeform: ( the language-level support for sane concurrency it more or less perfect for subj )
asciilifeform: even moar so, then
mircea_popescu: 10x the time, easily 100x the "effort" (although it is no more meaningful to compare the work of republican with the braying of subhuman opensources than it is to compare cpus and breast implants) and so forth.
mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, looks like it'll take one mentally competent woman about one year. the "open source" crapolade was built OVER A DECADE. and it's ~useless, within three zeros.
mircea_popescu: and the fundamental point is quite solid : the monkey hates thought, because hey, why won't you just sit and groom with the rest of 'em! PSYCHOPATH!!1
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah i saw trims of that in the logs lol.
mircea_popescu: moreover, replacing a coke habit with a workout habit is, in practice and experience, the cheapest, safest and surest way to rehab crackwhores.
mircea_popescu: but presenting cogently and in a tight package the man-monkey difference can't possibly hurt the recent escapee off the "i can't believe it's not plato's" cave.
asciilifeform: but the responsibility to be a man rather than monkey -- cannot be delegated to tool.
asciilifeform: so to a certain extent tools can shape habit. and the bridges are maintained, instead of folx clustering around the souped car.
asciilifeform: naggum had an interesting discussion re cl ( and iirc also mentioned ada, his other-language ) in re discouragement of 'easy to write small throwaway programs' as a factor in building durable infrastructure ( vs liquishit, which in his time consisted of microshit and of perlism )
mircea_popescu: and ability to drive is what makes, properly, a driver. it STILL HELPS to tell people "objects in rearview mirror are closer than they appear".
asciilifeform: ability to properly direct resources (of self , and sometimes others ) is afaik what even makes, meaningfully, 'lord'
asciilifeform: it isn't clear to me that there is a problem described here, such that could admit an answer.
asciilifeform: their attempts are a laugh, though -- their picture of 'sexy project' is about as appealing as syphilis
mircea_popescu dislikes the notion of guilt tripping people as a resource allocation mechanism.
mircea_popescu: this base tendency is what the whole google/apple/etc (redhat, you name it, "open source") shitworlds try to cater to.
mircea_popescu: from a purely alien perspective, in a town with decaying infrastructure you'll still see a bunch of men gathered around the guy souping up his car, rather than gathered around the places which desperately need maintenance work.
asciilifeform: dunno, everything on asciilifeform's plate has been there for literally years
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly as phf describes, there's a certain drag/lift factor in work being done. have you noticed how effort allocation tends to follow "what's happening" more than "i've though about this" ?
mircea_popescu: what'd one have to be smoking to not realise ethereum's onl;y function is to siphon value from the web horde into the hands of bitcoin holders is anyone's guess.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> it is an almost 'african' pattern, 'at one time my grandfather walked on a bridge, i heard... i'ma call meself Bob Bridgebuilder' etc << AHA, marlinspike presented as "hippie recreational sailor"
asciilifeform: every bacterium Has The Right to Tx!11
mircea_popescu: they should just segweb it or w/e it's called.
shinohai digs deeper into these lulz
shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCISZYcWAAIicQ9.jpg "Ethereum blockchain under heavy pressure"
mircea_popescu: they're technologically uniform in their ineptitude, but linguistically there's plenty of sane exemplars in the ~1k or so live languages.
mircea_popescu: there's no such linguistic uniformity in africa.
asciilifeform: it is an almost 'african' pattern, 'at one time my grandfather walked on a bridge, i heard... i'ma call meself Bob Bridgebuilder' etc
mircea_popescu: no wonder pantsuit party has no substantial disagreement with china becoming dominating power. they watch that inept chinese writing method and get wet.
mircea_popescu: that whole x-of-the-y brainmold.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the naming convention (moldbug, marlinspike, etcetera) suggests someone in an office farm in maryland./
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to piss on the remnants of the cathedralbazaar, but it's another thing to not have a good answer to teh network effects.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-12 14:27 phf: the interface is not very thought through because there's not enough dog fooding happening. vpatches require higher overhead than git blobs by design following the principle of measure ten times, cut once. but that means that it takes longer to evolve a workflow around them since the trickle of new updates is much slower
mircea_popescu: "how was that shit 20bn ?" "it was before they bought it hue"
a111: Logged on 2017-06-12 10:29 sina: it's like, you say, someone hacked my box and stole my bitcoins and then my response is "use signal. use tor"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1669067 << which one is signal ? the current telegram being groomed for faux "record breaking acquisition" by winapplefacebook ?
mircea_popescu: aww, just as i was sitting down to read the man's twitter, turns out it is "protected". scam!
mircea_popescu: also kinda biased by living in jungle nao. yesterday scraped off some gregarious antsy-wasp nest off one window, within hours flies were sucking the life out of the larvae fallen on the window sill ; later that window found different sort of wasp nest hidden in between sliding doors, with hunting wolf spider treating the cells like so many cans of preserve. and it rained for a month and everything needs a machete.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1668953 << dude's in fucking love, clearly. yo benjie : that's how plants look irl, not girl's fault you grew up in the boot of a 2 seater roadster!
a111: Logged on 2017-06-12 03:52 ben_vulpes: every time a child gets another hint that building things in html is a sensible way to spend a life, an angel of freedom loses her wings and plummets screaming towards the ground
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1668882 << don't ever go to the third world, btw. every girl aspires to learn "criminology" at umd and every boy http://trilema.com/2013/i-dont-no-biari-i-know-a-littel-java/
mircea_popescu: ourdemocracy gotta get everyone wearing the new pantsuit!
a111: Logged on 2017-06-03 02:47 asciilifeform: in such a way as to judas goat the authors of said code to rewrite it such that it DEMANDS the new 'improved' compiler.
phf: a111 can easily speak on behalf of any of the logger, because i need to parse other loggers to keep the xref facility consistent. for political reasons, a111 only speaks for own logs, but it ~knows~ at the time of utterance where the link is supposed to go to
mircea_popescu: it's not ok for a111 to speak out unbidden, with the sole exception of its own log
mircea_popescu: yes, the rule is that each logger reads his own.
trinque: heh, wasn't there a time when deedbot chattered for pages all by itself? I vaguely recall
asciilifeform: bots attempting to process output from other bots makes for potentially hilarious (try GB log bloat...) bugs
phf: scriba is not ben_vulpes's bot, so presumably the question is why don't ben_vulpes put up his own log speaker
mircea_popescu: he can just make the logger speak like anyone else neh ?
trinque: asciilifeform: he thought this was for one man's fapping in the mirror, and now, has it.
asciilifeform: trinque: assbot is not really used for anything, nobody's rated anyone in eons, logs will likely run until he trips over the cable. hence thread re links.
asciilifeform: trinque: kako now runs a public pissoire , voice-for-all, complete with gimmebots, ethertards, etc., many joys
phf: fwiw, i'm not parsing search, so it'll only map in the simplest cases (though your specific example works)
phf: asciilifeform: added both, search and ref. let me know if you have other examples..
asciilifeform: my thinking is -- at some point the old kakotronic logs will either go away or be subsumed by enemy for whatever purpose ( if only ip gluetrap ) -- and it is the Wrong Thing to countenance the use of'em.
phf: asciilifeform: so right now, if you click in the little up arrow, it'll take you to the location in btcbase. i think i might've disabled link substitution at some point on account of it being a subtle log manipulation
asciilifeform: million of these.
phf: asciilifeform: give me an example from log, because the way i understand that request, it should already be working
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell ben_vulpes l0gz feature request -- turn the href in links to *.bitcoin-assets.com into btcbase ( printed text of link can remain same, in principle )
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell Framedragger l0gz feature request -- turn the href in links to *.bitcoin-assets.com into btcbase ( printed text of link can remain same, in principle )
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf l0gz feature request -- turn the href in links to *.bitcoin-assets.com into btcbase ( printed text of link can remain same, in principle )
asciilifeform: 'It only claims to "limit" the side-channel leaks. I don't know how serious this is...'
asciilifeform: 'This variant of BN_mod_exp_mont() uses fixed windows and the special precomputation memory layout to limit data-dependency to a minimum to protect secret exponents'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1669058 >> this is a lulzgem, 'I also tested BN_mod_exp_mont_consttime from OpenSSL since that's a large function which calls functions from several other files. It turns out not to be constant time! There's a secret dependent memory access...'
phf also just came back from the woods
asciilifeform: now this -- anathema.
asciilifeform: phf: the thing i repeatedly caution folx against, is to do anything that might result in the existence of vpatches which require tools ~other than v~ to fit-in-head/operate on.
asciilifeform: because they carry the right idea along ('this is unauthenticated rubbish, use entirely at own risk')
asciilifeform: but no longer publish using them
asciilifeform: strict cut between 'harem and forum' there.
phf: highest overhead when working with v is making snapshotting cheaper (which also ties into keeping multiple incomplete work in progress vpatches in the same build, and being able to put the updates into respective vpatches). that's something that local versioning system might help with (though asciilifeform for example considers that sort of automation anathema)
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1669038 << i had some interop going between v and https://www.mercurial-scm.org/wiki/MqExtension. apparently before cvs but after "copy entire folder to make a version" there were various approaches to maintaining patch sets, that can be applied to v's folder full of patches approach
phf: the interface is not very thought through because there's not enough dog fooding happening. vpatches require higher overhead than git blobs by design following the principle of measure ten times, cut once. but that means that it takes longer to evolve a workflow around them since the trickle of new updates is much slower
a111: Logged on 2017-06-12 04:45 sina: text in the box click update, not different from just clicking update with no text
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1669005 << just a poor interface to switch branches for people without javascript. (the drop down thingy switches on select, but if you don't have js enabled. i perhaps should add a button hider if you do..)
sina: TFW ur a neo-Nazi and then decide to convert to Islam http://www.democratizeus.com/2017/06/11/neo-nazi-explosives-released-bond-deemed-not-threat-judge/
sina: except occasionally I read thegrugq twitter feed for some lulz
sina: you get the idea
sina: it's like, you say, someone hacked my box and stole my bitcoins and then my response is "use signal. use tor"
sina: shinohai: thegrugq makes a joke, that infosec people have no good advice but just always say "use signal, use tor" for all problems
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-06 18:22 trinque: also there's a second space program that made contact with the grays, and the pedo democrats are part of a "breakaway society" that is going to neuter everyone of inferior class
mircea_popescu: the what now ?
mircea_popescu: is xslt the excel language ?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz,
mircea_popescu: yah. there's a closing statement and evertything on trilema, also in lgos etc.
sina: hey mircea_popescu in the long list of things I have been meaning to ask, wasn't MPex listed on MPex?
mircea_popescu: consider there's girls watching teh dick clubbing
ben_vulpes: sina: consider if you want anyone in the wot to /read/ your work
mircea_popescu: the real bitcoin
sina: mircea_popescu: it seemed interesting, the "thing to do" appeared to be write ones own impl, which could be funsies
sina: text in the box click update, not different from just clicking update with no text
sina: the text box is clearly for search
sina: ben_vulpes: what does the update button do?
mircea_popescu: which may be the problem.
mircea_popescu: CERTAINLY not conducive to the google notion of code.
mircea_popescu: deeds similarly -- these words for all time./
mircea_popescu: the problem is management really. code keeps wanting to be edited, comments on blog are a different thing.
mircea_popescu: your idea of fun turns out problematioc for the republic!
ben_vulpes: in other miserable urls
ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system
ben_vulpes: sina: i hope you appreciate the bug-spottment as well lol
sina: which somehow includes a religious discussion on the morality of returning mistakenly transferred bitcoins, including King Solomon bible ref
a111: Logged on 2016-03-23 23:35 mircea_popescu: 2 requires the man who just saw the product of his not-inconsequential efforts die over "not doing what mp says, with money" have to choose whether to do what mp says... but with people, this time. we did in fact start this channel together, just like bitbet, and he did do a lot of infrastructure work here, just as there. so... what do ?
sina: either that or I can re-comment, you can delete the old ones and then fix whatever <pre> stuff you did last time
sina: i enjoy growing tomatoes too, but these days cherry tomatos mostly. hardy, prolific
BingoBoingo: Hard to tell how the good lord Bingo's plots will turn out this experiment
ben_vulpes: i don't plan to suboptimally anything these beasts
BingoBoingo: I mean nature has a way and all that, but... stakes make for cleaner fruit and a bett chance of you taking the first bit instead of vermin
BingoBoingo: You prolly should start on that before the flowers turn to fruit and get heavy
ben_vulpes: these things are going to be monster bushes
ben_vulpes: ooh BingoBoingo the tomatoes have put forth flowers
sina: funsies was being able to bang out a golang mpfhf because I had already kicked the tyres on the lang
BingoBoingo: But TMSR is it's own program for awakening the spirit
jhvh1: 12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
sina: I'm vaguely aware of the shared context, I get there is some stuff that is considered dumb around these neck of the woods, I just don't care
ben_vulpes: the notion does depend on several years of shared context, yeah
trinque: the republic grinds 'em away, leaves a man, or nothing
a111: Logged on 2015-11-02 14:59 mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/05/thank_god_the_heart_attack_gri.html << pretty great explanation on how psychological defenses work.
sina: ben_vulpes: I *didn't* lose them
trinque: sina: dunno what you thought the forum was for, but this
ben_vulpes: sina: and before you start throwing around words like "drivel" and "braindead", i'm not the one who lost his keys.
ben_vulpes: think of the children
ben_vulpes: think of the angels
ben_vulpes: every time a child gets another hint that building things in html is a sensible way to spend a life, an angel of freedom loses her wings and plummets screaming towards the ground
ben_vulpes: sina: surely you see how universal reliance on the browser drives unthinking acceptance of the imperial key signing model, right?
sina: ben_vulpes: I didn't claim it did, the point is, taking your logic to its conclusion one can't do anything because google uses computers to do stuff
BingoBoingo: And lets not forget bonus horsepower like feelings engendered by feeling the wind on one's testicles
ben_vulpes: sina: math does not require xml, drop the sophistry.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: mno. let's do the maff. valkyrie first :
sina: careful, browsers rely on numbers, don't want to further google hegemony
BingoBoingo: sina: Consider the experiment where you learned trading by "seeding the orderbook" The "at scale" business is similar.
ben_vulpes: sina: it's a google product, you're "learning the lang" via writing a weblog that most likely generates html for...the browser. google lives by the browser.
sina: ben_vulpes: professionally I'm not even a developer. Companies hire me because I can stuff at scale. but still don't understand how it furthers any hegemony
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: what, "european by alliance" cars nao ? << well, ghosn stepped down as nissan ceo so whatever bridge there was is burnt. now it's turbomowereich because nothing cheats nazi emissions standards quite like 'em.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo suggests honda goldwing 'valkyrie' for pete_dushenski's next mid life crisis << nah, too "soaking up the open road". goldwings are for retired vagabonds with a penchant for leather chaps and 60s rock. sort of a post-life-crisis-mobile really.
sina: that (and the dependency hell it introduces) is why I try and stick to their impressively comprehensive stdlib
sina: just because Rob Pike and co work at the goog doesn't mean golang is goog
sina: its cool, I had it correct to begin with, but I modified it to match the thing I was seeing, my bad
ben_vulpes: and several other values
sina: mircea_popescu: if you look at the line above for "MP kicks ass!" from your PHP impl
ben_vulpes: at sixty four bits and hashing the character a.
ben_vulpes: fwiw with that change it *now* matches the output of my implementation.
sina: if not, I need to update the python one too
ben_vulpes: i mean i don't really know what you're getting at, but why is the length of the bit array resulting from eating a single char 7 and not 8
sina: The [M]essage chosen is MP kicks ass!, its bit-value is
sina: so when I was building it, I was trying to match the "MP kicks ass!" output, which starts with a 1 in the example (and IIRC when I did it in python)... the original string I had was printing a leading 0
ben_vulpes: just running fmt.Print(M) downstream of the toBinArray call
sina: that and dependency management are the two weakpoints of golang I feel
sina: you need to set a GOPATH variable, e.g export GOPATH=~/Development/go and then clone the repo to $GOPATH/src/github.com/sinner-/mpfhf-golang
sina: last I looked it was missing a bunch of the code
ben_vulpes: in re candi_lustt, i'll point out that anyone in l2 could trivially reproduce her elsewhere, if phf's examples didn't drive the point home
mircea_popescu: certainly premature to inquire in the matter.
trinque: certainly, and questionable whether it's a good idea
trinque: sina: it does in that nothing stops you from copying the wot sexp at an interval, doing whatever things your castle likes doing with the output
mircea_popescu: it gets either fixed or replaced if not fixable.
sina: see this was the original source of my questioning
mircea_popescu: in fact, deedbot was intended to be federated from the get go... or in fact no. the item deedbot replaced because the operator got syphilis (ie, assbot) was created specifically because failure of previous item (operator travelled unexpectedly, thing went down -- tis all in the logs) and was intended to be federated from the get-go
mircea_popescu: sina and if it becomes an issue, it can be logified. the logger was originally single item you know.
mircea_popescu: unlike the github cathedral-of-garbage-built-by-anonyous-rats-randomly-ambling about, there's actual people in charge which means the buck always stops somewhere. so it's not exactly "bug reports", it's more in the vein of "and here's your summons to parliament"
sina: trinque: you might not have the specific form of syphilis which induces number diddling, but can you protect against... COSMIC RAYS
mircea_popescu: it's really not so different from yest when you and ben_vulpes were working on the mpfhf.
sina: no offense meant trinque, just a hypothetical
trinque: meanwhile sina, you get to discover whether there are such folks in the world as can maintain a db of numbers without diddling them... to think!
a111: Logged on 2017-06-12 02:13 mircea_popescu: but anyway -- if he modified them himself he gets to either convincingly fix it or else be replaced. just like anything else.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-12#1668696 << while I maintain the thing with integrity, I enjoy the benefits of a world where it exists and functions properly.
mircea_popescu: (and yes "multiculturalism" is the cheapo excuse of lazy stupid people to not have an actual culture ; much like "the convenience" of fast food is the excuse inept housewives use to not work the kitchen.)
mircea_popescu: the expectation that if you listen in a conversation of people you don't know you'll nevertheless be able to discern what is being said is pretty much THE thing distinguishing the esl anglotard from actual thinking people with a functioning head and part of a culture etc.
mircea_popescu: the reason textual methods do not work in practice is... the indirection layer. and so on.
mircea_popescu: thyis is a fractally repeating point : the reason "social learning" as modelled by redditards doesn't work irl is the indirection layer. the reason gossipd is undefeatable in practice is... the indirection layer.
mircea_popescu: for perfect meta : re the matter of whether there is or there is not substantial disagreement, we aren't yet disagreeing. so far we're just trying to come to terms.
mircea_popescu: there's a process to working out a mental image of a text. it involves inter alia building alternative models.
mircea_popescu: anyway, wasn't my impression there's substantial disagreement.
sina: it's something like UUCP + crypto authentication
mircea_popescu: in fairness it's a large ball of yarn and while it flows splendidly from itself, nevertheless it does flow exactlty opposite to ~everyone's acculturation in the soviet empire.
sina: although there seems to be a huge amount of contention
mircea_popescu: then again, maybe i wouldn't.
mircea_popescu: not really expect anything. people are supposed to do their own thinking for themselves. but i expect i'd notice if my ratings weren't right.
sina: I think I asked you this long ago, but you keep a local copy of the WoT and expect others to as well right?