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asciilifeform: the advocated idiocy may be just that -- but the need to cut a buncha throats, is not illusory
mircea_popescu: just like EVERY SINGLE OTHER FUCKING TIME. there is no case known to history where the officious intermeddler's schemes didn't blow up ; nor has this ever been fucking admitted to, ever.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the fact that the great-grandfathers ofd today's "free" maryland blacks had it way the fuck better as slaves is somehow un-known to "scholarship".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the sense stupidity is a variant of laziness.
mircea_popescu: by comparison to the schmuck telling a what to do for b's sake, the scammer is actually quite frequentable.
asciilifeform: i.e. appear where there is already a smell of gangrene
mircea_popescu: "humanitarians" are getting the tepes treatment.
mircea_popescu: remind me btw, if i ever end up ruling a new fledged us of a cca 1800, the law will be to shoot all preachers and to hang all menopausal women.
mircea_popescu: then the preachers moved in and "cleaned" the town up.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, hey, sons of indians.
mircea_popescu: i dunno dood, the whole reason "Cowboy" was even possible at all was that chicago canneries (where all the cowboys were headed) got rail link to new york, where all the corned * got et.
mircea_popescu: other than a vague awareness that it was pretty good business, buying land from usg at dollar an acre prices, then selling it back a month later to railway
asciilifeform: part of why usa has absolute shit rail today -- is the remembered hatred
asciilifeform: or hey why not also the plantators.
asciilifeform: tell the folx expropriated by usg-cum-'private'railroads ( live <10mile of new tracks ? lose land ) about 'property right' , etc
mircea_popescu: the mothers of the current crop of useless cunts with delusions of journalism were just as their daughters, importantly neighing about "obviously" and "everyone knows" bullshit they couldn't spell.
mircea_popescu: yes but as late as the 80s they were pretending they know better.
asciilifeform: aaactually the seeds of all of this, were not merely planted but sprouted when lenin was not yet even born
mircea_popescu: all the shit they were whining about and importantly burbling, human rights, property rights, a future, bla bla bla, ALL OF IT.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform basically, there isn't at the present time one single stupidity of the soviet republic that's not implemented by the anglotard empire. not ONE thing.
BingoBoingo: I haven't seen a single Karpicturales de-karpicting from head all the way to foot on floor without scaffolding to support weight
asciilifeform: see also the rembrandt thread.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no he stood up. fathealthy.
mircea_popescu: "rule of law" : if govt owes then http://trilema.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/ ; if individual owes then he's a criminal for having had sometging in the first place!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> phillipsjk i have nfi what that's supposed to mean, if you care. what back taxes and how does it help ?! << Generally a perk of dishwashing is that doing one's taxes means the government pays dishwasher. Very import subsidy supporting the ApplebeesMcHoulihams chemical industry.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/06/coblee-and-coinbase-quit-each-other/ << Qntra - Coblee And Coinbase Quit Each Other
mircea_popescu: but that technicality aside, you can fully expect a "court" of the fiat type to judge that "it's not fair" to have to repay THE THGING YOU STOLE. because "unjust enrichment" something something they're all stupid and ugly and their mothers should be ashamed of themselves.
asciilifeform: jp enmouthed the cock long, long ago
mircea_popescu: the yen*
mircea_popescu: i had nfi japan abandoned they en
asciilifeform: 'It’s a far cry from the man who controlled the center of the bitcoin economy just four years ago. “I’m working on quite a few projects,” he says. “But hey, got to make a living.”' didjaalsoknow.
asciilifeform: '...bitcoin claims are pegged at an exchange rate of one bitcoin to $485.50, the price the day before Gox declared bankruptcy, by order of a Japanese court. ' didjaknow.
mircea_popescu: whole menagerie of early losers isn't worth the kako it's printed on.
mircea_popescu: i can't be bothered.
mircea_popescu: he can gang together with shrem and come with some "proposal"
asciilifeform: speaking of, lulzy how they 'freed' karpeles so that he can help 'establish precedent' re 'we owed btc but will repay in usd per ancient exchange rate'
BingoBoingo: <phillipsjk> I found the concept of V interesting. I worry it may have hidden fragility though. I may port it to BSD when I have time. << Already works on any OS with a runtime for a language V is implemented in. Can run on OS/2 Warp
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i've been sitting here trying to recall which irrelevant scam "exchange" kraken is, can't really come up with much. was in the one the tradehills scammers made in their doomed but cheeky attempt to "come back" the usual coupla years later ? or was the one named after a pirate-era mpoe-pr post ? << The USG created "Goxcatcher" created mostly to have a place to receive the legal effigy of MtGox
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "the price of two strings tied to one can goes up to bla bla" ? << Nah, this is rising cost of tin solder driving higher price of toucans
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> danielpbarron do you recall why you negrated the dood ? << no i do not
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, bitcent > blowjob nao.
phillipsjk: I make little enough money that the government tops me up a bit if I actually file.
mircea_popescu: on the internet no one knows you're a xiah lee!
asciilifeform: twist : phillipsjk is the illustrious xiah lee
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform give the man some toime, eh, he said might be, and so on.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron do you recall why you negrated the dood ?
shinohai: Those dishes won't wash themselves.
phillipsjk: well, I guess I am out for the night.
asciilifeform: and certainly not a mechanized path to 'spec guaranteed to fit the proggy'
asciilifeform: but they are not a replacement for Fits In Head
asciilifeform: not to say that there isn't a handful of very narrowly useful 'proof' mechanisms -- some of them appear in, e.g., ada's Spark
mircea_popescu: you have to READ the code. multiple times. multiple. many many times.
mircea_popescu: the "assisted" part simply signifies trhat the lazy operator intends to not do any work and still pretend like he has something to say.
phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, you have to re-review the code, do you not?
asciilifeform: phillipsjk: i was one of these people, for a spell, hi.
mircea_popescu: no, "computer assisted proof checker" is jsut another way to say "i wave it before my cat and see if it mews".
phillipsjk: wizard as in wise person yes. Last estimate I saw said about 160 people are do the work world-wide (mainly for the US military). (they want to know war-only weapon modes will actually work as intended)
mircea_popescu: stop "thinking" like that, it's not thought and it's not socially acceptable in adult males, either.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk oh, the "wizard does it" thing emerges yes ? tell you what, loading up a label maker you put a "computer" label on with "correctes check passed" labes does nothing useful for everyone.
asciilifeform: what it is, is the bug where nonpublic ~rates are permitted.
phillipsjk: I think it would be useful to be be able to resign patches after running a computer-assisted proof checker )or just test cases) against them.
phillipsjk: That is why I said the concern may be orthogonal. Lost keys are a concern.
mircea_popescu: if people can't review the code nobody's proving anything. ever.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk do you have handy a graph depicting the relation between x and e^x ?
mircea_popescu: please tell me this "proven correct" isn't just anotgher idle handwave, "let that wizard over there do it"
phillipsjk: You prove the interface matches the documentation. repeat all the way up the stack.
phillipsjk: I believe code should be proven correct, so that abstraction leakage does not bite you in the ass.
mircea_popescu: moreover, it'd seem on the first pass that the "possible hidden fragility" of disallowing "large codebases" aka piles of crap nobody's ever read is preferable to the VERY LOUDLY OBVIOUS vulnerability of running black boxes
phillipsjk: Your solution in the logs is to replace unix with DOS to avoid that problem.
phillipsjk: You model assumes that people are able to review the code. It may not scale to large code-bases.
phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, they bought up CAvirtex, that is why I am getting e-mail.
phillipsjk: I found the concept of V interesting. I worry it may have hidden fragility though. I may port it to BSD when I have time.
mircea_popescu: i've been sitting here trying to recall which irrelevant scam "exchange" kraken is, can't really come up with much. was in the one the tradehills scammers made in their doomed but cheeky attempt to "come back" the usual coupla years later ? or was the one named after a pirate-era mpoe-pr post ?
phillipsjk: Presumably transactions with many outputs are more efficient than dual input/output transactions. They may be able to eliminate an arbitrary number of round trips through their hot wallet as well.
mircea_popescu: "the price of two strings tied to one can goes up to bla bla" ?
phillipsjk: "Many clients have said they prefer a lower bitcoin withdrawal fee even if it means slower transactions. Accordingly, we are now sending withdrawals together in batches to reduce cost. This allows us to reduce the bitcoin withdrawal fee to: 0.001 XBT"
phillipsjk: Then on june 10th, they sent a follow-up email, saying in part:
mircea_popescu: but then at once i told myself -- no, transaction fees are definitely having an effect!
mircea_popescu: but then, like a doubt occured to me. what if transaction fees aren't having an effect after all ?
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk oh they are ? thanks for letting me know!1
mircea_popescu: well there's time.
a111: Logged on 2015-02-06 00:00 mircea_popescu: "this is, without a doubt, the worst resume i have ever seen."
mircea_popescu: use the search!
phillipsjk: maybe I can find it in the logs...
phillipsjk: I am the one with the horrible resume.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk who might you be then ?
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: a number of other opterons also.
asciilifeform: >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lBzDS/?raw=true << from the archives of asciilifeform : simple c example of The Only Driver
asciilifeform: it asks 'gimme a running state plox' via the talking port on warmup. and then runs.
asciilifeform: incidentally, a dick^H^Hsk-less pc makes for another interesting feature, a known-starting-state.
mircea_popescu: both in terms of exposing the idiocy of the enemy in very specific terms, and in terms of providing solutions to teh problems.
mircea_popescu: the experience with making / using the fg turns out most useful, really.
asciilifeform: ( and any such return entails a 'from whence the drivers', for which the magic pill is... we haven't any. rs232, motherfuckers. )
asciilifeform: merely cumbersome. but if contemplating a return to 'msdos with bigger addr space', it is also fitting to discuss other cumbersomes.
asciilifeform: nic sits on 2nd box, and if it gets 'magic packet', the most that enemy gains is the contents of the buffer kept there.
asciilifeform: the 'nic can dma, haha' thing evaporates.
mircea_popescu: the chineze had it.
asciilifeform: the other bit, is that we are picturing a box without a nic. ( it may come equipped with one, but it dun get plugged in )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it'd even not be wholly ludicrous to have 1 doslike thing per cpu core, and a standardized means whereby master (of which there is to be ONE) can drive the slaves
mircea_popescu: "instead of making ten cars we made this bus with ten driver seats. talk it out among yourselves. there's bulletproof glass in some parts."
mircea_popescu: the model is fundamentally broken. you do not actually want a multi-user machine, ever, period.
asciilifeform: re os : i've observed before , that the only peripheral that unconditionally ~must~ work, is rs232 port.
asciilifeform: for the 'helpers' -- the sharp end of a trench shovel.
asciilifeform: the reasons, at this point, are not a mega-secret to anyone here.
mircea_popescu: and others.
mircea_popescu: there's also the "bunch of retards who think themselves competent and will wish to '''help'''" as per older threads re flies.
mircea_popescu: the reasons are plurious, there's not jhust this line
asciilifeform: at any rate at this point imho it is obvious that the confiscation of computing from the enemy cannot proceed on linux.
mircea_popescu: this is shapinbg up to be the achile's heel for lisp huh
mircea_popescu: they didn't turn into very sad shriveled raisins of pain for trying.
mircea_popescu: say between whatever phf runs log on and the log itself ; or whatever ben_vulpes runs the bot on and so forth
mircea_popescu: yes, but so far i am rather impressed with the demonstrated interop.
mircea_popescu: there's no absolute reason most of the dos thing can;t actually be lisp
mircea_popescu: on preponderence of evidence seems rather 1950s equivalent of historical "craftsman secrets" bs.
mircea_popescu: in general, seems dos model is the winner. i dunno wtf unix is even supposed to be, honestly.
mircea_popescu: by now, pretty much foregone conclusion. if we need it, they can't have it.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform has stabbed on and off at the problem, for a very long time.
asciilifeform: it will have to be confiscated from the monkeys, like trb was.
asciilifeform: in other 3-years-and-continuing lulz, https://archive.is/kGc6w >> '...I've been trying to build these style tools for around 10 years, on and off, and they have never built correctly for these targets and any attempt to put in a bug report about it is a waste of time as someone comes along states it works and closes it, even though it doesn't.'
asciilifeform: motherfucking kochs.
mod6: gathering some things up in eulora.
asciilifeform: mod6: spits out the banner that Framedragger forgot to put in the original conversions
mod6: one of these times you're gonna pop it
asciilifeform: ( part of the appeal of 'atomic' trng is that the 'fumes' concern evaporates. )
mod6: then that's what it is.
asciilifeform: von neumann's debias algo, and xor fold, are the two legit methods of dealing with this, but they have considerable cost ( each application of either , burns away 50% of incoming bits )
asciilifeform: all 'electric' schemes for trng have the basic problem of 'breathing own fumes'.
asciilifeform: there simply ain't moar to be had ( safely, that is -- you can use a faster-slewing op amp, in this collection scheme, but you will be harvesting power supply artifacts, 'voice of america', switching transients.. )
asciilifeform: mod6: you will notice that no fg hits >8kB/s at room temp, while the theoretical max is 14.4kB
asciilifeform: ( why to bother with hardware, if resorting to prng , remains a mystery )
mod6: these cows just don't care they they have an NSA fist in their asses. never did, never will.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ^ d00d pushing 'onerng' over FUCKGOATS, with argument that the former 'is open source, mathematically verifiable, ...drivers for all current os, even openbsd...' while the latter 'no drivers, connection using obsolete medium - serial port, limited entropy' << limited entropy?! herp.
mircea_popescu: "they're...easier!"
mircea_popescu: "use these things thatr won't do anything"
mircea_popescu: there's a reason the "security.nl" maggots say what they say.
asciilifeform: if you can't recompile ( or better still, use sane proggy ) you're fucked, there is no pill.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the koch episode was actually illustrative of the futility of 'just fix /dev/random'. it'd have done ~zero~ against the koch rng poisoning thing.
asciilifeform: shinohai: add to the loooong list of 'tardanos'
asciilifeform: keyboardization gives even greater 'nonspecificity of diddling', at the cost of 'can't have it plugged in 24/7, must use in bursts' ( as most os don't work with >1 kbd correctly )
asciilifeform: ( incidentally astute students of FUCKGOATSology will notice that the principle is applied INSIDE the device as well - FG has nfi what is plugged into rng jacks, actual analogue rng boards or tester jig )
mircea_popescu: basically it's the eternal culture shock. "i protest that this tmsr item is ideologically incompatible with the shitempire i inhabit" "blow it out your ass" "TERRORISM!"
mircea_popescu: whereas just feeding it into the kernel pool might help to some degree and is actually feasible.
mircea_popescu: yes. the idea being that your methiod while correct requires fixing all the shit programs. which ain't gonan happen. nor can it.
asciilifeform: to see if the expected output results
asciilifeform: 'need to know principle', if you will -- kernel has no business having centralized 'and these here are rngs'
mircea_popescu: yes but they already got their userland, and it's a) shit and b) unrecompilable.
asciilifeform: but that the ~correct~ move is proggy that takes a /dev/foo1,/dev/foo2... as command line params and eats rng from ~there~
mircea_popescu: seeing how the alternative is koch-hashes.
mircea_popescu: it's still not clear to me dumping it into the pool is a bad move.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> might as well ask the kfc colonel his professional opinion re fort sumter. << "Lincoln was a war criminal" is the response I got
a111: Logged on 2016-06-19 05:35 asciilifeform: the next morning, commander tours the base, says to sergeant: 'everything seems ok, but what is this nonsense, they showed me the scrapyard and your men threw out a perfectly fine burbulator!!!'
mircea_popescu: but everything has a bunch of them so
mircea_popescu: no but all the peripheral boxes he ever saw had the bullet point there.
asciilifeform: better still, to read the docs and think for 30sec and realize that THING USES NO DRIVER
mircea_popescu: thje everloving fuck will they do ?
mircea_popescu: rather than try and fix it, and in the process learn a thing or two about just how utterly fucktarded they are.
mircea_popescu: but no, instead every two bit twentysomething shithead importantly sits on an imagined throne and JUDGES THE WORLD!!11
mircea_popescu: isn't THAT what the douche was supposed to publish on his stupid blog ?
asciilifeform: gotta luvvv all the nitwits who think that pc has any business being able to talk TO an rng box
mircea_popescu: and here i sat and thought naively that open source is all about "hey, i perceive the need for these so called drivers, item dun has them, I WILL MAKE MYSELF"
mircea_popescu: "you can always recognize a fuckgoats by that sure sign, that all the dounces in the county are arrayed in a confederacy against it."
asciilifeform: linked mainly for the 'drivers' lul
mircea_popescu: isn't "onerng" the thing captain bullshit was pushing in that dumb chan ?
asciilifeform: ^ d00d pushing 'onerng' over FUCKGOATS, with argument that the former 'is open source, mathematically verifiable, ...drivers for all current os, even openbsd...' while the latter 'no drivers, connection using obsolete medium - serial port, limited entropy'
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other excavations, https://www.security.nl/posting/505769/Random+Bit+Generator+voor+zelfbouw >> 'Het ontwerp is volledig open source, het geleverde product is te verifiëren zodat je kunt zien dat er niets is toegevoegd of weggelaten, de randomization is wiskundig verifieerbaar. Er zijn drivers voor eigenlijk alle gangbare operating systems, zelfs voor OpenBSD, en dat voor een prijs van USD 40. Die onderbouwing zie ik n
shinohai: In other democracy news: http://archive.is/3wCQw
mircea_popescu: "so where is it" "they stole it"
mircea_popescu still can't forget the "i have a laptop that doesn't exist" bs.
mircea_popescu: then he worked it on software, and THEN he worked it on hardware.
mircea_popescu: but he worked the cycle on emacs first.
mircea_popescu: the fiat word is "serial entrepreneur" or whatever.
asciilifeform: where's the cut between 'worked cycle' and 'turned traitor' ?
mircea_popescu: and this model ENTIRELY explains all of the "luminaries". werner koch worked the feeder-chumper cycle. stallman worked the feeder-chumper cycle. curtis yarvin worked the etcetera.
mircea_popescu: which is why "eth has market value". the entire market value of ethereum (all chains) is under a grand. but the lizards will keep buying it, for all the fiddy bux a week that costs, to prop up the pretense. if it catches, they got "millionz" and if not they're out five coffees for a dozen losers who were getting that coffee off social security anyway.
mircea_popescu: the ur-model of this is "modern" ourdemocracy currency. while they can falsify it, YOU can't. this means they can prop its value up for as long as it takes for idiot-you to buy into the theory that "usd is actually valuable", after which they can turn on the printing.
mircea_popescu: the hanno boecks always work in the same cycle. feeder phase where they "seem reasonable" and chumpatron phase where they shed the half-hour-horizon idiots who bought it.
mircea_popescu: might as well ask the kfc colonel his professional opinion re fort sumter.
asciilifeform: dunno, but he's marched under the colours, and asciilifeform has not, so automatically 'gotta ask'
mircea_popescu: da fuck is some shithead 20something going to think.
asciilifeform: the altalena thing still , i'm told, smoulders, there are folx who have not forgotten the replacement of terrorist-republic-israel with usg-alt-israel
mircea_popescu: how statists actually manage to live in their mental latrine is anyone's guess.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very funny that jew thing you dug out. literally, the ENTIRE argument is "hey, let us scam you, because that's what goverments do, and if the goyim see us scamming you they'll believe w r government".
mod6: cool, thanks for the testing shinohai
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: !~later tell pete_dushenski Tested your patch, built fine, running on the dev box as I write this.
mod6: and I started working on ticket #36 for trb, possible move of the deps folder for trb
mod6: peted sent his getpeerinfo vpatch to the ML. so that's out there.
shinohai found the commenter's name, SAM, to be suspect: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-13#1669434
mircea_popescu: i'd rather teach sheep torah.
mircea_popescu: given the current state of the rot i'd prolly convict 2/3 "law enforcement" 1/3 private citizens.
mircea_popescu: if i were a judge i'd throw the book at this so-called "government" so help me. lie to me do one month in the can, no questions asked. so if it takes fifty da's it'll take fifty da's.
mircea_popescu: a yeah, don't even remind me of the """major player""" silk road, that somehow was a big deal in spite of not being able to place one pound over xmas-new year's. TWO WEEKS!
mircea_popescu: in case anyone still wanted indicia as to where the fish rotten from. it was the fucking "law enforcement".
shinohai thinks the numbers are oft exaggerated on reddit to make the wheel squeakier .....
shinohai: Well, if you don't have the private keys to an address to prove ownership, you really don't have anything at all, no matter how many imaginary numbers you are told you hold on a site.
mircea_popescu: most wtf part is the notion those dorks actually had k's in btc
shinohai: ikr? I saw that item yesterday but didn't seem Qntrable to me as the "scam" appeared to be related to the Ethereum network self-DDoS.
shinohai: This is obviously a step above - I'm willing to bet all passwords are secured with military grade encryption too, since they are so professional.
sina: bank level is the best security grade
shinohai: Nah, funds are safe there. They store funds in a multi-signature cold storage with a bank level security grade!
diana_coman: still: "latest Flash Player version is required for the client to function properly"
mircea_popescu: considering the terror that working with browsers is in the first place, dudes are wizards.
BingoBoingo: Many times there were beggars, many times I was drunk. It is a miracle I remember as much as I do.
mircea_popescu: myeah. lots of these
mircea_popescu: i would say the last jew with an actuallyt functioning noggin died pre 1900.
mircea_popescu: same dead stock that populated the lime pits.
mircea_popescu: which is how we know jews are congenitally stupid. if you can round up 1k of those people ande NOT ONE head lights up with the realisation that "either we walk out of here THROUGH the enemy or not at all", it's braindamage.
mircea_popescu: it's just kinda funny that a) the one eyed man in russian empire was deemed dumb by the blind ; and b) the unassuming and unexpected little chinese man ACTUALLY DID IT. never said it. did do it.
asciilifeform: sorta why ben gurion had the boat shelled and the survivors - machine-gunned. had 0 to do with the cargo, but with the 900+ irgun recruits on board, who didn't yet 'want to go shopping'
mircea_popescu: funny thing is, hruschev had the right idea with his "We'll sausage and oversausage!".
mircea_popescu: so you know, they don't realise because they weren't there present in the first plac.e
asciilifeform: ( 'left motherland for 100 sorts of sausage' )
asciilifeform: the infamous 'sausage emigres' of su, ditto
mircea_popescu: 100% the problem.
mircea_popescu: it was utterly the case of eg ro revolution. none of the people there wanted "freedom". they were literally pissed off they can't drive over to austrian border and load up the car at the w/e discount shop.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect most of them really wanted to go shopping.
mircea_popescu: kinda why mothering sucks in the first place.
asciilifeform: it boggles my mind that none of these folx ( at least afaik ) ever grasped that 'nonviolence', 'rule of law', 'parliamentarianism' were tentacles of the enemy, rather than a victory
mircea_popescu: it dun matter whether x is gone or not. what matters is the saying. maybe the baby is dumb enough and falls in the words trap ?
mircea_popescu: the whole gambit of the mother is, "don't cry baby, see, X is gone now"
mircea_popescu: yeah, i dunno that i'd take the wailing and whining of ronin women discussing the men into account
asciilifeform: iirc the irish folx went into this same /dev/null of history, quite recently
asciilifeform: Their primary purpose fulfilled, they had no agenda supportable with violence anymore due to the creation of the state of Israel’s presence. Instead of disbanding after their success, the Irgun continued to remain active, shifting into a productive political role. ' -- random usg derp
asciilifeform: 'When a terrorist group such as the Irgun Zvai Leumi sees their key objective completed, what do they do? In the case of their use of terrorism, the Irgun came to an end not because the funds died out or support waned, but because the leadership recognized the need to move to a more democratic and non-violent strategy. In order to continue pushing for additional change, no longer would the Irgun act under overt auspices of violence.
mircea_popescu: did ~nothing to the boers, either.
mircea_popescu: meh. consider -- china, 100% infested pre mao. did nothing. russia, tsar time, during "the great race", idem. did nothing.
asciilifeform: my current understanding is that this is only half-correct -- brits also helped folx pick up the aids.
mircea_popescu: at least that's my picture of the 1900s
asciilifeform: there is a pov that irgun was british-infested even earlier, though, and 'lehi' was the tru-fork. but i do not have a deep enough picture of the period events to say if.
mircea_popescu: it is your fucking life motherfucker. now shoot, and shoot fast and bust heads on every round.
asciilifeform: and this was the d00d who ran irgun ! supposedly, tough motherfucker who killed brits with bare hands etc.
mircea_popescu: and it's a sickeningly common view among underground fighters because they makle the mistake to "salvage their sanity" by "pretending this is something that's not them"
mircea_popescu: people who believe violence is not the answer don't belong alive.
asciilifeform: and so the british pest was permitted to continue to live, and infest the continent
asciilifeform: i still dun get m. begin's pov. ordered his men to surrender and join idf! and had the auctoritas that... they did
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you'll note that the losers took the republican position, imaginary higher ground, bullshit like that
mircea_popescu: really now, lets give it to them, for the good OF THE COMMUNITY!!!
mircea_popescu: how well would all this price shitting would work if only silbert & friends had the capacity to print bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ 'altalena affair' resulted in the switcheroo where the upstanding folx ( irgun et al, who held the position 'rm -rf britain' , were replaced by the internationalkomyooniti obedient muppet circus who ended up 'recognized' by said komyooniti as 'israel' << Aka. When da jooz jew'd the Jay-double-Oh-Oh-Zee
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/06/ethereum-blocks-way-the-fuck-too-big-smart-contract-ddosing-own-initial-coin-offering-to-blame/ << Qntra - Ethereum Blocks Way The Fuck Too Big: "Smart" Contract DDoS'ing Own "Initial Coin Offering" To Blame
asciilifeform: ^ 'altalena affair' resulted in the switcheroo where the upstanding folx ( irgun et al, who held the position 'rm -rf britain' , were replaced by the internationalkomyooniti obedient muppet circus who ended up 'recognized' by said komyooniti as 'israel'
asciilifeform: '...Everything that concerned him was international community, which he thought was in his pocket. Now it was in his pocket in the sense that he was in their pocket.'
mod6: i like how searching the logs for a word like 'stochastic' can lead me down 2012 memory lane
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mod6: 717 lbs. "I'm healthy, lemme eat 15" pizza to destroy the patriarchy!"

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