asciilifeform: and so asciilifeform spent much of today cutting motherfucking grass.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-30 13:58 asciilifeform: 'If I employ a gardener, I have to earn £3 for every £1 he can actually spend, because everything is taxed twice, first as my income, then as his.' << not only still true in today's reich, but today it'd be 10 : 1 .
mircea_popescu: gthe one making tomatoes on windowsil ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> which brings the mixing : putting orange in green engine is bad. orange engine can run with green fine << Orange engine runs green fine, IF orange is drained out.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> im not sure why they switched to the new coolant. they always just said, "lasts longer, etc." but i wonder if it was really due to the proliferation of aluminum blocks. << Dex-cool is silicate free so gentler on Aluminum. Also something something organic/inorganic dopants differing between verde and naranja
mircea_popescu: but if i buy coffee grinder for factory, it is to work at all times, and girls will change their schedule to keep it going, not it to accomodate them.
mircea_popescu: if i buy coffee grindewr for kitchen, it is to work whenever the girls want coffee ground.
asciilifeform: the operative concept is 'for money'
mircea_popescu: hey, in theory no difference between sextoy's anterior and posterior openings. in practice she sometimes winces.
mircea_popescu: that's kinda my objection with the whole "in my kitchen" outlook. if your kitchen makes stuff that's any good it should be a factory, and if not it should forget about it and just be a kitchen
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the pets do own shocks, brakes, etc. work ??
mircea_popescu much rather buy used and then put these new at own shop than buy "certified" bla bla and have to put new ones anyway in coupla years
mod6: you fixin up the bmw?
mod6: mircea_popescu: this is actually what a guy at auto store told me recently too; but other fellas have told me, "if you wanna be 100% sure you're not going to introduce any problems, just use what it says in the manual or on cap."
mircea_popescu: shinohai cardboard car for looking at not for driving in the rain.
mircea_popescu: which brings the mixing : putting orange in green engine is bad. orange engine can run with green fine
mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for the hex example.
mod6: im not sure why they switched to the new coolant. they always just said, "lasts longer, etc." but i wonder if it was really due to the proliferation of aluminum blocks.
mod6: anyway, the wisdom seems to be, use what's described in the manual or even written on the radiator cap. fwiw, never open a radiator cap while engine is hot - contents under pressure.
mod6: post, most seem to now use this "dex-cool" stuff which is pink or orange. you are not supposed to mix them, no. and as bb says, can introduce rust into the water jacket of the block.
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> <mircea_popescu> i bought a can of coolant, it's FLUORESCENT GREEN << he dye is to tell you which of several incompatible types of coolant it is. Mixing GREEN and ORANGE coolant is a good way to introduce rust to one's engine block cooling passages. << iirc, all vehicles pre-1995 or so used the green coolant.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> possibly the practice had spread to auto world << Coolant color coded with dye. Refrigerant available with optional dye for leak finding.
asciilifeform: ( spoiler : ultimately we are dealing with ~multiword~ ops, and the complexity of how the multing actually happens, comes into play )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i bought a can of coolant, it's FLUORESCENT GREEN << The dye is to tell you which of several incompatible types of coolant it is. Mixing GREEN and ORANGE coolant is a good way to introduce rust to one's engine block cooling passages.
mircea_popescu: if single - word mult is same as add, there's no benefit to not simply multing the parts.
asciilifeform: (four would be the obvious but useless transform)
mod6: just was overthinking it .. thought maybe the '2' was a base reference or something
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is using base10 in his example but otherwise right
asciilifeform: ( there are not and will not be signed arithmetic in ffa )
asciilifeform: nao for the bitch :
mod6: if i FOIL this thing (10 + 1)(10 + 1), i get: 10*10 + 10*1 + 1*10 + 1*1; 100 + 10 + 10 + 1 = 121. ooh, is see what you did there.
asciilifeform: the result is ( noshit.jpg!! ) a 64bit , 0xfffffffe00000001
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> trivially, 11 * 11 = 121, and also (10 + 1) * (10 + 1) = 10 * 10 + 2 * 10 * 1 + 1 * 1 = 121. << what I can't figure out is where the part: + 2 comes from.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this was going to be my next line of inquiry. can the above discussed +1 bs be lost if we simply enforce a conveniently chosen size ?
asciilifeform: ...if all of your ffa are 'clean' powerof2-sized, you can lose the floor/ceiling thing
a111: Logged on 2017-06-16 23:07 lobbes: <mircea_popescu> use supybot carcass then << aye. 'tis what lobbesbot (and I think jhvh1) run on, sina
mircea_popescu: because obviously if we're cutting up 11, the first part will be 1 and the second part will be 1.
mircea_popescu: mod6 you take a number of say 22 bits, and cut it in two 11 bit numbers. this 11 is the k. then you have first part * 2 ^ K (=11) + second part to get the original back
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes but do the math for signal power used in eg FM radio, then figure what the satellite would have to send.
mod6: is this like taking the low-order bits of X0*Y0 << 2*(WORD_SIZE), and (((X0+X1)*(Y0+Y1) - X0*Y0 - X1*Y1) << WORD_SIZE ?
mod6: I guess, it doesn't cover karatsuba specifically, but gives some background perhaps for the uninitiated.
mod6: ok. so there looks to be a section on this in AoCP Vol 2. section 4.3.3. [ Section A ]
asciilifeform: lulzily, long ago, asciilifeform tried to make use of this principle to build a sunglass for seeing lappy lcd in bright sunlight ( sync lcd shutter, a la 'game glasses', to the backlight pwm freq )
asciilifeform: receiver samples at the carrier freq (typically 40 or so kHz), and then processed as serial bits.
asciilifeform: concept is usually taught in re radio but applies just as readily in optics -- say, the common infrared remote button
ben_vulpes: did not know the signal was that quiet
jhvh1: asciilifeform: What is phase - locked loop ? - Definition from WhatIs.com: <http://searchnetworking.techtarget.com/definition/phase-locked-loop>; Phase Locked Loop Tutorial | PLL Fundamtentals | Radio ...: <http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/rf-technology-design/pll-synthesizers/phase-locked-loop-tutorial.php>; MT-086: Fundamentals of Phase Locked Loops ... - Analog Devices: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: ( if you own, e.g., 'gps' receiver, you already own an example of a device that picks up a signal BELOW motherfucking THERMAL noise!1111 )
asciilifeform: in that you are adding a finite and -- in most cases manageable -- amount of noise to the signal.
asciilifeform: adding random noise -- 'i'll look in the box after T nsec, with T uniform random quantity..' most interestingly does NOT work
asciilifeform: because none of the naive approaches 1) work 2) give any symptom of not working, until you're dead
asciilifeform: the imho interesting part of this tale is that ~time~ is the most, it turns out, difficult side channel to properly cement shut
asciilifeform: hypothetically i could even do it ( supposing your rsatron is mains-powered ) by observing the imperceptible dimming of the room lights, from 5km away
asciilifeform: supposing you were using gpg ( or pretty much any other rsatron )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if i ( or whoever ) can time the execution of your mod-exp even to , e.g., 20% accuracy, a couplea times (say, by listening with radio next door) i can derive your p,q.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes because then an outsider can and therefore will observe the black box behaviour differentials, thereby giving away the keys.
ben_vulpes: because those branches might spew secrets to the nic?
mircea_popescu: whereas as alf aptly points out, the waywards of the world attempt to spit-fix this after the fact.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's not the point. the point is that the processor must never have an if(secretbit) then branch
asciilifeform: as part of the 'pack yer own parachute' philosophy.
asciilifeform: incidentally the time to understand why this recipe works, is now, because users of 'p' will be expected to grasp it and the rest of mechanism
mircea_popescu: eh the hell
mircea_popescu: you just said the same thing
mircea_popescu: yes, rather exactly.
asciilifeform: sorta how basis of victorian england was the logarithmic table. eggog - sink ship. hence the effort for the steam 'difference engine' etc
mircea_popescu: rsa is the fundamental basis of individual identity. tmsr is a republic of men. without proper rsa, it can not be properly said men exist.
asciilifeform: ( at one point i derived how to do ~fixed-joules~ rsa, and it is in the logs, but needs peculiar silicon, don't expect one yet )
mircea_popescu: larger bar to actual tmsr sovereignity to correspond to the ideological than, eg, the continued existence of the united states.
asciilifeform: ( in that their mult is not fixedspace and thereby - regardless of what snakeoil is used -- not fixedtime )
asciilifeform: see, when we copy bits again and again , things gets slow, and ends up barely beating the egyptological mult.
mircea_popescu: i prefer the word invest.
asciilifeform: anyway to round out the thread -- i solved it, in the 'obvious' way, but now gotta simplify the proggy a bit, so that it becomes again readable, and also ideally would like to waste less space
mircea_popescu: the babe police force arrested ben vulpes
asciilifeform: so, for instance, if X and Y were 32-bit integers, the term (X0+X1)*(Y0+Y1) is actually 34 bits wide.
asciilifeform: but at any rate, the astute reader will immediately notice that k's algo is not fixedwidth-friendly : in the addition
mod6: this seems to make sense to me off the cuff.
asciilifeform: then you can recombine'em ,
asciilifeform: i'll review karatsuba here, ftr. suppose you have 2 L-bit numbers, X and Y, to multiply. you can multiply X*Y the usual way, is O(N^2). but instead anatoly alexeevich k. shows us that you can cut X into X0,X1, ceil(x/2) and floor(x/2) bits, respectively, and same to Y, -> Y0,Y1, and then you only gotta do THREE multiplications, X0*Y0, X1*Y1, (X0+X1)*(Y0+Y1)
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point re fluorescents is more to see where than to see if, i bet.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's father had an army story where he & some d00dz got hold of a vial
asciilifeform: aha, is the point!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: methyl mercaptan is the ultimate 'leak finder', but for some... odd!111 reason ... not popular
asciilifeform: possibly the practice had spread to auto world
asciilifeform: incidentally 'water pc' folx often add fluorescent dye to the coolant even when not 'show piece' -- it aids in finding leaks
mircea_popescu: ah dun have the paperwork here, but anyway, io tell you, that item would work great as artist installation. it's an otherwordly color
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the contents?!
asciilifeform: and wtf was the Official justification.
asciilifeform: gotta wonder, what cost it adds to the bottle, and what effect it has on the surfaces where sprayed, etc
asciilifeform: though i am at a loss to find a clean 'logic' for what gets 'fortified'. for instance i have on my desk now a commonplace can of pseudofreon , and to some surprise discovered 'bitterant to deter snorting' on the ingredients list
asciilifeform: elsewhere in uncleal, 'The FDA screamed "felonious fortification" when makers of cheap fortified wines wanted to add thiamine to prevent alcoholic neuropathy caused by thiamine malabsorption.'
asciilifeform: 'FDA specifically bans from human infant formula ("felonious fortification") the addition of a tetraunsaturated fatty acid only found in human breast milk. Near as anyone can tell, its only metabolic purpose is to encourage brain development. Human milk for human babies - or you bring up a Democrat.' ftr.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: ASK DR. SCHUND - Mazepath: <http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/placebo.htm>; Breast milk (Steven B. Harris, M.D.) - Yarchive: <http://yarchive.net/med/breast_milk.html>; Erythorbic Acid (President Bush have a less-carcinogenic hotdog ...: <http://scienceblogs.com/moleculeoftheday/2008/08/04/erythorbic-acid-president-bush/>
mircea_popescu: i've yet to meet the british government NOT fond of going around naming things.
asciilifeform: i've yet to meet the brit fond of dressing up in ukriform -- but nfi.
mircea_popescu: i suppose trully, they're just british.
asciilifeform: the demonstrative lolgarb ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile from the "today i introduced my best friend to my master. we went for a picnic" files, https://68.media.tumblr.com/91b81a0742485b4a8aee7870536e5603/tumblr_onq1le4qqH1ssn9vjo1_400.gif
a111: Logged on 2016-05-03 12:15 mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone with a box with python > 3.2 on it is willing to give http://cado-nfs.gforge.inria.fr/ a whirl (specifically in regards to the modulus in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461712 ) plox lemme know whether it even worx.
sina: tell us the story asciilifeform
a111: Logged on 2016-05-01 17:42 asciilifeform: (they bought the outfit i was in at the time, hilarious story for another time)
mircea_popescu: which reminds me, girl forgot wireless mouse for laptop, was trying to use the mousepad. i, from meters away, was helping with the mouse.
asciilifeform: ( spoiler : all you get is the effect of N duplicate screens -- in the form of cruddy, slow, dithered mirrors of 1 screen - and keyboard - of a single, in effect, winblowz box. can even play 'war of the cursors' )
asciilifeform: get hold some time of a winblows box and see what microshit passes off as 'remote desktop', then will see what was meant here.
mircea_popescu: well what's the difference
mircea_popescu: then you get to your actual game.
mircea_popescu: but consider eulora. it has a ... login desktop, which is not only shared between sessions, but users also! being the same
asciilifeform: well, on classical x11 i have, e.g., machine that runs, say, 20 gui proggies, and each one 1) is on an entirely different machine, somewhere else, some of them not even on same continent 2) behaves EXACTLY as if it were running locally, window reshapes, etc 3) none have any shared state with the others, each sees local disk only of own local machine etc
mircea_popescu: what is the desktop idiocy ?
asciilifeform: where 'of course there is One Desktop'
asciilifeform: it ain't even about the monitors, but re the poettering's attempts to import the 'desktop' idiocy into linux
asciilifeform: i.e. remote session on ARBITRARY SIZED DISPLAY and not in motherfucking microshit-style 'have your 1024x768 remotedesktop liquishit'
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:45 mircea_popescu: the cogent objection to x is that "design irrespective, something this fucking long can never be good." the redditard objection to x is "omaygerd, black chix code!"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671325 << the objection is valid but only when it comes with a 'and here is how i shortened it and DOES SAME JOB'
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:48 phf: wayland "mitigates" keylogger issue by not fucking letting you start apps either as a remote user or ~even as a different user on same machine~
asciilifeform: connected to, i shit thee not, dedicated physical keys.
asciilifeform: and i mean literally does not EVER move by itself -- not connected to mouse, either
asciilifeform: as in, 0 popups, focus moves WHEN I MOTHERFUCKING MOVE IT
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 04:05 phf: since applications (and that includes window managers) tend to send around lots of different messages as the focus is traveling around your window hierarchy, i wouldn't be surprised if gtk/qt does a very specific grab when you put a cursor inside your app's password box, and do a release whenever focus travels away
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671355 << can't speak for other folx, i run in '0 stealing focus' mode
mircea_popescu: but obviously, they don't even know it's a matter of "the", smoking own cock as per usual with the ustards.
sina: Circle Medical is seeking an Ethereum hacker to build dApps for healthcare
sina: carrying on the "jobs for asciilifeform" https://jobs.lever.co/circlemedical/3de96093-ac16-40da-8ee6-0a721ebcd960?lever-origin=applied&lever-source%5B%5D=HACKERNEWS
phf: since applications (and that includes window managers) tend to send around lots of different messages as the focus is traveling around your window hierarchy, i wouldn't be surprised if gtk/qt does a very specific grab when you put a cursor inside your app's password box, and do a release whenever focus travels away
mircea_popescu: i read that as you proposing random third party to be the root for the discussion somehow.
sina: oh, yeah, I read through that, and wanted to see if the password manager I use was utilising it ala gpg pinentry that phf mentioned
mircea_popescu: but try the command line ?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:36 phf: see architecturally wayland and x11 couldn't be more different. x11 supports a special network protocol that lets clients from different sources connect to the same instance of x. for example you can have a client from a different user on the same machine or a client from a network source (like over ssh)
sina: phf: finished? the discussion about server grab is appreciated. links to docs or examples appreciated also
sina: if you trust the software you can mitigate with whatever sandbox and if you don't then you need hw compartments, different issue
sina: sure, as can any application in the dac model
phf: so any wayland app that has access to your wayland session by the obvious implications can do the obvious thing: gpg encrypt all your files, steal all your passwords, and send compromising emails to all your friends, because as should be obvious that app has access to everything else you have access too oh my fucking god the level of retardation i can't even.
phf: wayland "mitigates" keylogger issue by not fucking letting you start apps either as a remote user or ~even as a different user on same machine~
phf: so you could, theoretically connect to a compromised ssh box, with your x11 tunneling enabled, and get a silent agent snooping your keyboard
phf: those clients are isolated, in one case by machine, in the other case by unix isolation, and can't do the obvious thing, that is read the memory of your password requesting process directly
phf: but anyway, all of this is at all relevant why? because of the first things i said, i.e. x11 lets clients ~from network~ or ~from other users~ to connect to your session
phf: never the less ~xterm~ specifically supports server grab for people who know what they are doing (i.e. not the lunix on desktop crowd)
mircea_popescu: the cogent objection to x is that "design irrespective, something this fucking long can never be good." the redditard objection to x is "omaygerd, black chix code!"
phf: if you simply load an x app, attach it to root, and start grabbing all the events then you can come to same conclusion as any random chick with a blog "omg all teh events"
phf: (there's a handful of other extensions that might potentially be used to subvert that mechanism, but likewise they are not mandatory and can be disabled like XTEST)
phf: so now it doesn't matter who's registered for what, the only windows that will be receiving events are those in the server grab hierarchy, i.e. your chosen window and its children
phf: that one is used for things like screen recording, and is optional. it doesn't otherwise respect the hierarchy
phf: in addition there's a RECORD extension that allows any application to register for all keyboard events irrespective of their destination
sina: to me, the distinction between "X apps receive all keyboard input" and "X apps have access to receive all keyboard input" is negligible
phf: an application can choose to register events on root window and thus receive all the keyboarding events that come in (or mouse events)
phf: root, being a special window receives all the events (that's very handwavy but closer to truth)
phf: see architecturally wayland and x11 couldn't be more different. x11 supports a special network protocol that lets clients from different sources connect to the same instance of x. for example you can have a client from a different user on the same machine or a client from a network source (like over ssh)
phf: sina: yes, but do you understand the ~technical details~
sina: did you rush to paste that before continue reading? she's aware of the limitations and nobody says "use windows"
asciilifeform: ^ for n00bz -- this is verbatim Official usg doctrine -- i.e. the ostensible reason why winblowz is mandatory at nsa etc
asciilifeform: 'Windows is the only one mainstream OS I'm aware of, that actually attempts to implement some form of GUI-level isolation, starting from Windows Vista. See e.g. this ancient article I wrote in the days when I used Vista at my primary laptop.'
sina: phf: mostly my opinion based on this article https://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.com.au/2011/04/linux-security-circus-on-gui-isolation.html
phf: sina: could you explain the difference between how keylogger issue manifests in x11 vs. how wayland prevents it, with some technical details?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 22:38 mircea_popescu: "works in the sense that it does something, not in the sense it does what it should"
mircea_popescu: im sure it's in the glorious logs!
sina: I'm trying to remember that thing you said when I was asking about the php mpfhf
mircea_popescu: or it can send assassins to peel the skin off their children in the night while they watch in horror.
mircea_popescu: or it can laugh ass off at them and publicly humiliater
mircea_popescu: or for that matter, it can not ignore it, and exploit the holes for great ethlulz.
sina: the republic is, as you like to say, a sovereign entity, can do whatever it likes, including ignoring the existence of software produced by people it deems as charlatans
mircea_popescu: the republic is well weary of such charlatans, chiefly because their ~only offering encountered experimentally sooner or later boils down to "vote hillary"
mircea_popescu: ie, you are reacting to the empty tank light coming on by trying to buy a car without one
sina: so that makes it OK for a given X app to be able to log keys from another X app?
mircea_popescu: no apps on any x86 machine are isolated from each other.
sina: mircea_popescu: my main gripe is that X apps aren't isolated from each other, so they can tamper easily. I don't really like it that a vulnerability in, e.g. xeyes, can read firefox memory, or whatever.
asciilifeform: how about the folx trying to make it die, die instead.
sina: I'm not saying it's the best thing ever, but X needs to die, and only a few people are doing the work to kill it
mircea_popescu: sina if you made them, at least.
sina: at least Wayland apps can't keylog other Wayland apps like X can
phf: some people when they come back to old homestead take certain perverse pleasure in learning that joe now sucks cock for meth, while molly is married with three kids to a cop that beats her. not i, i'm sad to see my childhood friends debase themselves so
mircea_popescu: the ONLY WAY anything can matter is if ~I~ use it.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-13 23:41 asciilifeform: from comments, lulzgold, 'The Hivemind is fully committed to systemd for service management, Wayland for graphical display, and PulseAudio for audio, which is why it doesn’t matter if you personally find them distasteful, they will become the de facto standard. For systems programming, Rust looks increasingly like it will be the Hivemind’s choice to replace C, as it has the backing of the Mozilla organization, is being used for r
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 12:42 phf: but freezing effectively implies lockstep freezing of the whole environment, to hardware. ("oh we deprecated x11, your code better support wayland. oh this new video card only supports wayland, since x11 is deprecated, etc."]
phf: Enlightenment window manager is "fully committed to moving to Wayland eventually as this is definitely the future of the graphical display layer on Linux." etc.
asciilifeform: but if yes... belly of the beast. RIP.
mircea_popescu: just about. problem is that the basis is so narrow you need like five or six doublings.
asciilifeform: sorta why asciilifeform goes a-spelunkin' in old maths crackpotteries. every decade back ~doubles the snr
mircea_popescu: not wank then yet.
asciilifeform: that ain't the (potentially) interesting bit.
asciilifeform: ( at some point i'ma get around to sawing the thing open an' seeing if it contains salvageables )
mircea_popescu: the "does not have" is a remarkably strong claim
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the era of erudite crackpotteries, https://archive.is/QH2bk >> 'July 28, 2003 // Magic Flight is an algorithm for public key exchange which is based on a lossy commutative mixer constructed from products of primes. The basic operation involves an underlying ring-like algebra which does not have multiplicative inverses, and may not have additive inverses. The elimination of additive inverses (cancellation) is intended
mircea_popescu: o, right, because they're all about FIXING the socialist tub so it can CONTINUE FOR LONGER
asciilifeform: sina: that ain't milk coming from the dead cow, it's corpsejuice
sina: ".@Coinbase disabled the #FreeRoss account after receiving 16.5 #Bitcoin this morning. We need that for Ross' defense"
lobbes: I one day aim to migrate lobbesbot functions over to that.. but many things in the hopper before then
lobbes: <mircea_popescu> use supybot carcass then << aye. 'tis what lobbesbot (and I think jhvh1) run on, sina
asciilifeform: asciilifeform notices that his desk has an uncanny resemblance to the one in 'ascension of alfred'
asciilifeform: chicks (as in the kind that hatch from egg) probably also
mircea_popescu: use supybot carcass then
asciilifeform has been working on the ~same ~20 lines of code for past... 6wks
sina: prototype in python for now, deciding whether to proceed in that lang or not
asciilifeform: 'hey we neutron bombed yer house' 'but at least the rats died'
asciilifeform: 'Uninitialized memory has been used as a source of entropy to seed random number generators in OpenSSL, DragonFly BSD, OpenBSD, and elsewhere.10 If accessing an indeterminate value is undefined behavior, however, compilers may optimize out these expressions, resulting in predictable values.' << bonus lol
sina: asciilifeform: maybe if you don't want the hoodie job you can work for https://www.torproject.org/about/jobs-browserdeveloper.html.en
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 15:03 mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".
a111: Logged on 2017-06-03 02:47 asciilifeform: in such a way as to judas goat the authors of said code to rewrite it such that it DEMANDS the new 'improved' compiler.
asciilifeform: i couldn't make these up if i tried.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in spam : 'wanted: Vulnerability Researcher and Patriot. Vulnerability Researcher Do you critique the narrative and technology displayed on Mr. Robot? Do you like to wear a hoodie… always with the hood up? Do you have a haircut inspired by anime? NO?!! We guess that’s okay, as long as you can do some of the things listed below… and have a minimum of a Top Secret security clearance? .... IDA Pro ... x86' etc etc
asciilifeform: in other lullariae, http://www.vitorian.com/x1/archives/265 ( https://archive.is/LfwZH ) >> 'A 100% American Technology Company'
phf: ben_vulpes: i think they took one group photo of the afrian team (you can see it elsewhere) and then cut it for profile pictures
ben_vulpes: why is it that only the white austin team has animated pics
trinque: ah god they're from Austin, too.
Framedragger: ah, just that all this time i was thinking #t was making fun of wannabe-board-member derps, but the above ^ are actual quotes
phf: BOARD MEMBER i am inspired by children at UBUNTU school : we are working hard to help them reach their potential
asciilifeform: 'production manager' : 'i am a DIVA : we are the future of tomorrow'
asciilifeform: wai is the 'human resource manager' wearing a flakjacket...?!
phf: s/n maybe. but if you're trying to buy "raw ingredients", like meat cuts, vegetables, bulk dry goods, wf is the cheapest option. can do safeway for some items, but there's a noticeable drop in quality
asciilifeform: wf is very much 'the lolmart of' 'highend food' in usa
asciilifeform: wf beats the living shit out of'em
asciilifeform: lol i have these here also
phf: but re wf, fwiw it's the least expensive of the pantsuit stores. there are much worse examples from both price and "ubuntu foundation" perspective. for example i have Mom's and Yes organic both within walking distance. i used to live next to dawson's in rockville. all of them are more wf than wf.
asciilifeform: anyone in usa who has not been to a wf -- visit, it is quite surreal 'disneyland of 'bay aryanism'' theme park. contains everything from 'ubuntu foundation coffee' to 'airbnb magazine' (i shit thee not)
asciilifeform: trinque: 'pantsuit corps' like to funnel whatever profit there is into compensations for bluebloods, rather than dividends, also
trinque: and asciilifeform is right, whole foods appears to have an army of subsidiaries, so the profit number on the mothership is a useless fiction.
trinque: after 5th cough pls to get the fuck out.
asciilifeform: trinque: ever been to a performance of anything where nobody sneezed ? sorta why theatres don't double as recording studios , and the latter exist as separate thing
trinque suddenly realizes that some pig is coughing in the background of this guy playing chopin, for minutes on end
lobbes: BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2017/06/failed-state-to-be-removed-from-trade-partnership/ << "the Powerball Jackpot game" link goes to about:blank?
asciilifeform: trinque: 'you aren't cleared for the TRU bookz, comrade gorbachev'
BingoBoingo: "For Whole Foods, the remedy includes gutting the grocery store and rebuilding it anew, based on consultations with multiple contractors"
asciilifeform: trinque: not the same logo
asciilifeform: this was actual ubuntunonsense-brand, for 5x the usual price of beans
trinque: gotta wonder if the purchaser knew what an ubuntu was.