asciilifeform: phf: out of what didja make the rsa ?
phf: in fact i think i'm going to rip out some of the messier linked lists etc. management parts and simply wire in shiva. obviously wouldn't want to use it in the field, but mostly as a thing in itself
BingoBoingo: Well there in cooler days were loud things that went at motorcycle speed. Battery thing is for losers
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674678 << mine was written in cweb, i.e. the literate programming thing for c. i haven't finished it, but i got bogged on configuration management.
asciilifeform: rather than hover and give myself repetitivestress in joint that nobody even thought of doing it to previously
phf: freestyle 2 lacks numpad, but has an extra two columns of keys on the right, sun style, which is unfortunately bound to a bunch of windows/mac functions (like cut/copy). i mostly figured out how to change what those keys send though..
asciilifeform: kinesis ? i had theirs
TomServo: hey asciilifeform they even got foot pedals!
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675084 << apparently it's the wrong keyboard :o i used to use advantage back in the day, but now it's https://www.kinesis-ergo.com/shop/freestyle2-for-mac/
ben_vulpes: oh god what's going to happen, he'll lose control and scramble out of the thing, falling all of six inches?
ben_vulpes: at least kiddo was zooming, and had the opportunity to fall over
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you've seen the gas powered 'minibikes' though, right?
ben_vulpes: "dress your kids in plastic and train them on lipos"
asciilifeform: not handcrafted thing, either, quite polished, likely - chinese
asciilifeform: speaking of which, i saw, i shit thee not, a child-sized motorcycle
BingoBoingo: Well, general with vehicles of any sort... At the point the price becomes a "steal" yes, ownership costs far more than price tag
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: by the paper specs it seems to be a steal for the price. possibly the problem mircea_popescu mentioned ('lemons') is the tru reason.
asciilifeform: also not long ago i was bored on a train and found myself reading the tech docs to the diesel in that thing ( apparently a very common model.) surprisingly ( to asciilifeform ) the 'water going into the tailpipe when motor not running' is still considered an open engineering problem...
asciilifeform: i wonder, how long these typically sit around and rust
asciilifeform: in other non-noose, nobody yet bought orlol's ship
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell btw gabriel_laddel you oughta have received the old comp by nao
asciilifeform: ~later tell btw gabriel_laddel you oughta have received the old comp by nao
mircea_popescu: pcp goes mostly with the roids nuts afaik
asciilifeform: is there a gabriel_laddel in ze house
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They still use until consumed
asciilifeform: more plausibly they eat alone, while watching anime
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have difficulty picturing the protagonists of $redditardmarket using 'at party'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: fwiw i have a very basic n00b level grasp of the constants in the equations - e.g. how much cocaine is eaten in a typical sitting, etc. so cannot comment usefully re grams << Typical cocaine use is gram after gram after gram after gram, I imagine mp or Tiger Woods level is sugar bowl or candy dish set out in advance
mircea_popescu: nah, the better ones are hundreds
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i can't picture the loose change thing being +ev << Well less ev if you get minesweeper at garage sale for 1/10th retail because initial purchaser realized -ev
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw i have a very basic n00b level grasp of the constants in the equations - e.g. how much cocaine is eaten in a typical sitting, etc. so cannot comment usefully re grams
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> meanwhile irl, if you cut a brick of coke 3:1 and bury the resulting miligrams indisivuallty you will be digging a million ditches. << 3000, who gets less than a gram of coke?
asciilifeform: are they often met with ?
mircea_popescu: of course the larger one is ~1 dollar
asciilifeform: when they run out of what to buy with
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dope aficionados presumably dig 'for truffle' to ~eat~, rather than sell
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is quite astonishing that usg still bothers to mint coins
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: it does seem to call into question your 'there is ~0 market for milligrams' thing << milligrams isn't a market, its retail
mircea_popescu: here's the thing : the per-hour value rummaging throughb park from finding drugz ~= from finding loose change.
asciilifeform: i suppose there are nuts, for whom ~nothing matters
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can't picture the loose change thing being +ev
asciilifeform: and separately from any dilutions of the customary kind (which are , presumably , also in play)
asciilifeform: the other interesting aspect of '1,001 idjits vs 1 brick buyer' is that the former are somewhat accustomed to ~not finding anything~ in the indicated coords
asciilifeform: one way or another. 'uber', dope treasure, whichever.
asciilifeform: the ample idle hours of homo redditicus ~will~ be harvested
asciilifeform: whole thing imho interesting ~solely from the perspective of '1mn hours of labour, yes, but unpaid'
asciilifeform: when i first heard of the practice, i also assumed 'in the forest, like gru agents' etc. -- but turns out, no, in park benches, rubbish bins.
asciilifeform: 'there' turns out to be in public places, and both 'hiders' and 'seekers' routinely caught
mircea_popescu: still gotta get there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: according to the $sources, they dun dig 'ditch', but very low-effort and laughably shallow holes, with, e.g., duct tape 'flag' sticking out; underneath park benches; etc
mircea_popescu: the one that got bannered
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> hm. BingoBoingo see if dood wants to write a qntra post ? http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you and all that. << Which dude where?
mircea_popescu: farming them out to ourdemocracy "ngo"s comes to mind.
mircea_popescu: there's better things to do with an army of obedient dorks ready to die than this.
mircea_popescu: even if such a dig takes less than one hour of derp's time and no transportation, the fact remains that 1mn hours of minimum wage are > 1mn $ even in russhitia ; wheas a brick of anything is < 100k.
mircea_popescu: the million ditches.,
asciilifeform: but i see nothing inherently fantastic about the notion that 1,001 derps each of whom buys a ??? of unknown purity for 1,001% markup, could be +ev vs conventional 'brick' buyer.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this part exists entirely in the fantasticly fertile imagination that also has them on boats.
mircea_popescu: link to the "about 1mn ditches per brick" piece.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile irl, if you cut a brick of coke 3:1 and bury the resulting miligrams indisivuallty you will be digging a million ditches.
mircea_popescu: where is such thing reported, other than your own reading.
asciilifeform: if the 'dead drop dope' thing is actually true as reported -- it is a 'britneyization', the dealer replaces 1 mircea_popescu with 10,001 milligramderps
mircea_popescu: i think you're supplementing by imagination all sorts of corners. there's a cost to bury.
asciilifeform: seems like there is massive set of dope aficionados that wants milligram AND wants no-face-meeting
asciilifeform: and, in same piece, the 'meatless contraband is a reddit trendoid thing and will vanish soon' thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it does seem to call into question your 'there is ~0 market for milligrams' thing
mircea_popescu: yes, bitcoin renders "the state" obsolete.
asciilifeform: but considering that the apparent arrangement stands and falls wholly on wotronics -- i'd guess pretty well.
asciilifeform: as for how the wotronics are managed -- i have nfi
asciilifeform: then purchasers get coords, pick up.
asciilifeform: i.e. operator sits far, far away, and pays lieutenant to obtain 500g of $substance and bury. then 'packager' gets coordinates, and excavates, then reburies in aliquots of 1g
asciilifeform: the moar interesting, imho, aspect of the ru buriedtreasure thing is that ( again, thirdhandedly ) it is managed as a pure 'btc-in btc-out' operation
a111: Logged on 2014-02-16 22:04 asciilifeform: son: 'whatdoyamean i gotta dip them'
mircea_popescu: it's always the same thing with these shitstains. http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-16#509011
mircea_popescu: there's a reason silk road failed to attract as much business as a lemonade stand.
asciilifeform: the latter will, yes, dwell on toy choppers etc
asciilifeform: again, plenty of 'honest cunning' among the us folx. but you won't read of it in the beobachter reddit, no.
mircea_popescu: ask one. to the fried up mind of the ustarded consumer, "that'd be tantamount to synthesizing the item myself"
mircea_popescu: consumers, dude. they're willing to say some magic incantations / "use the juice", but they ain't fucking willing to not use the post office.
asciilifeform: where there is plenty of good landscape for such
asciilifeform: arguably there already.
asciilifeform: also reportedly parks, benches, etc in various towns became a comical sight , where diggers rummage in the earth, like truffle pigs, looking for ???
asciilifeform: reportedly, the 'emplacers' regularly get picked up by police and sentenced to 20y, but this, naturally, does 0, new ones -- appear when needed
asciilifeform: the interesting bit re ru is that the dope parcels buried are so small that the operators make ~0 attempt to interfere with 'treasure hunters' who paid 0
asciilifeform: 'leave the film cassette betweeen 15th and 16th brick in such-such wall' etc
asciilifeform: iirc we discussed it here, as a theoretical.
asciilifeform: meanwhile lulz in ru world : their version of 'silkroad' , but the local custom is to use burial in public places, rather than parcels via the post. so various folx go and... dig 'for treasure'
mircea_popescu: you kidding ? everyone wanna talk! they're just happy if anyone's even giving the appearance of listening.
asciilifeform: meanwhile also in the fishwrap, http://archive.is/t9BoT >> 'Reputed New York gangster released from prison at age 100' << '... in and out of prison for much of his adult life ... most recently incarcerated, at the age of 93 in 2010, for a racketeering conspiracy involving the shakedown of New York strip clubs.'
asciilifeform: shinohai: nono, see, the ukrs are Officially Nao Europe
mircea_popescu: right, so as to maximally expose it to the earlier matters discussed
asciilifeform: 'i dun wanna raise an' lower the reactor rods by hand!111 too much exercise' 'ugh the indicator told me they lowered and turns out not!11 help'
mircea_popescu: why the fuck does it even have access to key
asciilifeform: 'This vulnerability led KMail to not encrypt email messages scheduled to be sent with a delay, even when KMail gave every indication that the email contents would be encrypted using OpenPGP.
asciilifeform: in other recent lulzies, http://archive.is/B3QXF >> 'KMail’s ‘Send Later’ caused PGP encrypted private emails to be sent in plain-text'
asciilifeform: we had the membrane thread iirc.
mircea_popescu: but the whole point of life is that retention, temporary as it may be.
mircea_popescu: that's the whole thing : my keeping some women out of circulation is a reflection of my power.
mircea_popescu: but -- dead soldier had some proteins locked up. they're getting unlocked.
asciilifeform: for him the hour also comes.
asciilifeform: is raven on battlefield, eating eyes of a corpse, 'a cut above' the soldier?
mircea_popescu: maybe. it doesn't matter : items must increase their market circulation. wife of socialist -> whore ; factory of socialist -> scrap iron, etcetera.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't clear to me that, e.g., the mit theft, involved any guile or initiative -- is simply the idiot inheritors disassembling their father's house
Framedragger: yeah i guess that's a nice thing with deedbot, it doesn't need secret key for most of the stuff incl. challenges..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform whoever steals from the stupid man is a cut above the stupid man, whatever his foibles.
mircea_popescu: hey, as socialism runs out of the agar, reverts to capitalism
asciilifeform: and the evaporating ip blocks, etc.
asciilifeform: basic idea - a vermin gets control of, e.g., factory, and processes it as a raw-material base - carefully organizes the disassembly and stealing of what-can-be-stolen, systematically, piece by piece, replacing with 'cheap prothesis' when possible to keep the budget dripping in for as long as practical
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 03:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674489 << sounds entirely like The Drepperization. which is very much the only american technology style left.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674902 << there is a handy post-su word, 'распил' ('sawing-apart') to describe the process
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 04:32 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674605 << possibly one of the least visible pillars of tmsr for newcomers, because in world of socialist liquid shit everything is "mutable" ie liquid shit, and not accidentally. but because the only way socialism may masquerade as "sensible" is through rendering the past meaningless.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674920 << i took a 300+km trip by train, on east coast of usa, not long ago, and it was quite a sight - carcasses of dead factories, ex-trainstations belonging to ex-towns, and other 'dead past' that 'unhappened', plain for naked eye to see
asciilifeform: afaik deedbot is currently the only thing auto-signing ( inside its tx-issuing trb )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they respond to deedbot
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 05:08 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674940 << excepting the special case of the bots
mircea_popescu: anyway, getting the "unhappened" to at least know there's a name for it can't hurty anything
asciilifeform: which is why on occasion i strap into the bathyscaph and go
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with that eval is that you don't know until after they aren't worth the pearls.
mircea_popescu: hm. BingoBoingo see if dood wants to write a qntra post ? http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you and all that.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 04:45 mircea_popescu: and in other disbeliefs, i can't imagine anyone'd fucking read that plaintive undisciplined-female-whining mailing list ffs. what the everloving fuck.
asciilifeform: e.g. 'MH has been found on Intel motherboards around 2007 – 2008 in Russia. Intel Corporation has never announced that it had or has a hypervisor in BMC system management software. We did not get any comments from the corporation after we provided a copy of the paper.'
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 05:44 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674829 << your correct answer there was to say you use FG as a clock. which'd have totally sunk him, "my time comes in MB entropy chunks, ha-HA!"
asciilifeform: hypothetically -- even ping time might well have enough of a correlation to cpu load, that you can distinguish 'remanent of time cushion' from 'still rsa-ing' and eliminate the cushion.
asciilifeform: against these, 'time boxing' does 0.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 19:45 asciilifeform: hypothetically i could even do it ( supposing your rsatron is mains-powered ) by observing the imperceptible dimming of the room lights, from 5km away
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675006 << there are side-channels other than timing, and some -- readable from considerable distance
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 05:12 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674891 << i've been using that one for a while, with a https://www.amazon.com/CST2545-L-Trac-Wired-Performance-Trackball/dp/B00EEFK5QQ trackball in the middle. i'm pretty happy with that setup. i've figured out how to get the firmware out of the controller, so i'm hoping to customize some of the keys (that are otherwise useless)
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 09:15 sina: mircea_popescu: is it intention that there should be encryption from author to recipient as well?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675077 << there's no intention that there would be plaintext anything, wtf.
sina: mircea_popescu: is it intention that there should be encryption from author to recipient as well?
sina: ok so I implemented some p2p encryption for the gossipd thingo
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 03:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674422 << consider that the damage you already did to modern man's most important joint is permanent. do not add.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674880 << home orifice is another quarter or 4 months away yet; and the republic calls even in the dead of night
ben_vulpes: of course i need a space before the closing paren
mircea_popescu: aok then
mircea_popescu: !W (ret "there is an atmosphere of toxic masculinity brewing in this channel!")
ben_vulpes: look either you return the hooker in working order or kill her and hide the body and make yourself scarce.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: "candi_lustt evals everything after !W in an SBCL environment with full access to the underlying host."
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes can it be pushed into single line by appending the log bit ?
pete_dushenski: "Volvo Australia's technical manager David Pickett told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) on Saturday that his company has been trying to solve the issue for 18 months. He said the way a kangaroo moves completely bamboozles the system -- a problem they haven't had with other animals around the world."
pete_dushenski: the love of great inca is a nasty habit to kick
pete_dushenski: as they do. but if you could summarise what you have to date i can tableise them and post.
mircea_popescu: alright then
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 03:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674379 << introductions aren't intended to be handled by gossipd. the correct way to do this is for me to say "add 8A56264EAD0BC4BD9CD7AC0086B488AB sina" which is a legitimate pubkey of your gossipd, AND for you to go whatever re mine. then they can talk, change keys etc. not before./
sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674872 << sorry I used the wrong term there, I meant the operator. what I ended up with re that query is approximately what you've got there, except it's a two step process. 1. gossipc --add-peer --name sina --host <host> --port <port> which furnishes you a pubkey you can exchange with that peer (and they vice versa with you) and a seperate command to set the peer key
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: shoot me a list of all the commands for your bots when you have a min.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674829 << your correct answer there was to say you use FG as a clock. which'd have totally sunk him, "my time comes in MB entropy chunks, ha-HA!"
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 01:50 asciilifeform: arbitrary 'don't report the answer for T units of time' doesn't work, because you have no hard assurance of no spill.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674765 << well, without crypto and without gossip. but then again the latter not meaningfully possible without former anyway.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between encryption and obfuscation.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674737 << this is the fundamental problem here. if we're not really using encryption then we're not really using encryption.
mircea_popescu: then yes.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes for the same bot ?
mircea_popescu: and i mean to say that if the bot always verifies after a fixed time there's... fixed time.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i mean to say in the case that the op is asleep when the bot goes offline, it'll stay that way until the op awakes
mod6: phf: nice, let me know if you get there. i'd like to re-map some of 'em too.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes !!up and then !!v +5 mins ?
BingoBoingo has a simulated alf in head that complains Supreme Court review is too slow for Trumpreich to overturn all of the shitty lesser courts on everything
hair_soup: aaaand there it goes.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674891 << i've been using that one for a while, with a https://www.amazon.com/CST2545-L-Trac-Wired-Performance-Trackball/dp/B00EEFK5QQ trackball in the middle. i'm pretty happy with that setup. i've figured out how to get the firmware out of the controller, so i'm hoping to customize some of the keys (that are otherwise useless)
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 04:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674687 << this is very much so, and very much why both a) http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671529 and b) there not being an auto-signatron or decryptatron or so forth deployed anywhere in teh vast expanses of la serenissima.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 01:02 asciilifeform: for one thing, there IS NO SESSION in gossipd (either my concept or either of mircea_popescu's two essays)
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 00:57 asciilifeform: sina: one of the things gossipd needs is a constant-time-constant-space rsa. if you don't have one, enemy can derive your privkeys remotely based on timing.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674687 << this is very much so, and very much why both a) http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671529 and b) there not being an auto-signatron or decryptatron or so forth deployed anywhere in teh vast expanses of la serenissima.
mircea_popescu: but hey, at least they get buggered sore like a hobo's whore. that + gallo pinto > what they got at home.
mircea_popescu lolzd at the whole shoe problem, because nicaragua has a healthy contingent of dumb white whores who went there to suck native cock and "get in touch with teh earth" paddling around barefoot in the streets and "learning" the "fascinating" how to twist a necklage together "antique traditional skills" sandy invented last decade.
mircea_popescu: coding without v and without #t. how do they do it, i have nfi.
mircea_popescu: and in other disbeliefs, i can't imagine anyone'd fucking read that plaintive undisciplined-female-whining mailing list ffs. what the everloving fuck.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-25 17:01 mp-en-managua: apparently fucktards learned nothing of the doge slaughter, still believe "promotion" matters.
mircea_popescu: also amazon is only supporting python 3 with orcisms ; and other lulz.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 20:07 asciilifeform: from earlier, lulz, 'In April 2017, an unexpected and disruptive change was made to the MIT network: the sale of historically MIT-allocated IP address ranges to external entities such as Amazon. The sale wasn't announced to the MIT community until after it had taken effect. '
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674638 <<< it's a good thing that the successful introduction of ipv6 rendered such considerations mute.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 17:31 asciilifeform: no changing-of-the-past.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674605 << possibly one of the least visible pillars of tmsr for newcomers, because in world of socialist liquid shit everything is "mutable" ie liquid shit, and not accidentally. but because the only way socialism may masquerade as "sensible" is through rendering the past meaningless.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674592 << moreover, these are data containers, non reflective non recursive what's the similarity in tyhe fgirst6 place
asciilifeform: ( for n00bs : 'hyperthreading' attemps to marshal 'resources unused by the current instruction' - say, the ALU during a memory fetch - into becoming, through sleight of hand, 'a cpu core' that is , while said resources are available, behaving as a cpu, executing instructions )
asciilifeform: code that is built with awareness of the pipeline ~cannot~ leave any room for ht to have any useful effect - elementarily
asciilifeform: it does 0 to well-written code -- other than slow down, and -- behold -- sometimes breaks semantics entirely
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674906 << ht is not a legitimate concept, like, e.g., pipelining, but instead an ill-conceived attempt to speed up 'winblows as it existed at the time'
a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 17:07 erlehmann: i am willing to abandon my redo efforts if v maketron suits my needs better. does there exist a v implementation in <500 lines of shell?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674534 << you can definitely make this in an evening by simply translating the extant lisp/python iirc impls.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 16:35 asciilifeform: 'Ever since IS&T started to undergo "The Transformation", there has been a deliberate and systematic attempt to change Computing at MIT for the worse. Services that have been relied on for years have been discontinued and turned down, frequently without notice. Infrastructure critical to running MIT has been outsourced to cloud services during "emergency maintenance". Most of these changes had minimal impact on students and faculty,
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674489 << sounds entirely like The Drepperization. which is very much the only american technology style left.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 16:35 trinque: clearly needs to upgrade to the f35, it's 19 better.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674488 <<< for some reason the illustration featured a hercules, which is a prop not a jet, but w/e.
mod6: yeah, seems like hardly an accident. supposed to talk to the goddamn thing. as if.
asciilifeform: the latter must've been designed as an active fuckyou to people who actually enter text
mod6: i really like the new kb i've been using. took a little while to get use to, but hands feel good after all day typing.
mod6: it's the worst.
asciilifeform: crapple kbd is egregiously, insidiously deadly, has ~0 'give', is rather like pounding a table
a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 05:39 ben_vulpes: on the "laptops suck" thread, now that i'm using an adult workstation most of the time, my hands start hurting after a bare thirty minutes on a 13" laptop kb
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674422 << consider that the damage you already did to modern man's most important joint is permanent. do not add.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, kinda what i meant yest. while he's actually trying to implement, he discovers these things. the result may not be usable, but its building will have been useful. otherwise his only option is to nod along, not really comprehending what he's agreeing with, or to "rebel", and have "his own opinion", except also not really comprehending what he's talking about.
mircea_popescu: gossipd should hot be able to discover peers. (if you think about it, the ability to discover peers is another way to say "leaking data").
a111: Logged on 2017-06-26 01:02 sina: but this presents a chicken/egg problem, where the peer "initiating" the addition will need to then advertise that key to the other peer and wait for a key back, and then initiate an update to the peer data to add in the advertised pubkey
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674379 << introductions aren't intended to be handled by gossipd. the correct way to do this is for me to say "add 8A56264EAD0BC4BD9CD7AC0086B488AB sina" which is a legitimate pubkey of your gossipd, AND for you to go whatever re mine. then they can talk, change keys etc. not before./
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to sewage : the thing civilised people generally fail to appreciate is just how insistently shit sticks to human agglomerations.
mircea_popescu: ah ah. too much abdomen for how sad their ribcages were.
asciilifeform: which detail then
asciilifeform: shit where-they-stood a la africa ?
mircea_popescu: i expect the dysentery to get them first though, judging by certain anatomic details.
mircea_popescu: tis true. bigots = fixated people with beards you couldn't convince of your reasonable position, such as "the rabid dog doesn't bite" on the grounds of it not having bit yet, or "marrying your first cousin is fine" on the basis of hey, cunt that doesn't scare me!
asciilifeform: did the kidz also droop salivate
mircea_popescu: and yes, the root is common.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-25#1674362 << speaking of bigots : so i'm walking with girl through utter shithole, true poverty area. stench of sewage in the air, houses made out of $200 in materials and so on. i spot a rabid dog by that sure sign of drooping salivation, so i go in between and keep my eye on it.
sina: vulnerable to what, exactly, is the question? I am struggling to see how timing can be ascertained from that kind of model, but it's only a thought experiment so I can steal your brain juices
asciilifeform: this is like the perpetuum mobile. you cannot argue your way out of fundamental constraint.
asciilifeform: if you're sending bits from one to another, and using crypto that branches-on-secret-bits -- you are vulnerable.
asciilifeform: it doesn't matter what they are connected with.
sina: same as above, but each computer houses 1 process respectively, connected over ethernet or whatever
asciilifeform: describe what they do, and how connected
asciilifeform: 2) you might have a box with 2+ cpu where the scheduler puts both of your processes on 1
sina: Imagine two independent processes. Process #1 is going through the list of peers and generating encrypted payload for unique peer key since last seen. When the payload is generated it places in outbox. Process #2 is running every N interval (1s example sure) to accept connections and deliver payloads from outbox. If for some reason Process #1 doesn't complete operation in time, it simply appears as if no
asciilifeform: illustrated in the earlier link.
asciilifeform: and the way to provably do this, is method called 'constant time arithmetic'
asciilifeform: sina: making 'constant time rsa' by trying to bury the rsa in a fixed 'box' of time, only works if you can guarantee LOWER bound of how long the rsa ops (ALL of them, till the end of time) take, as well as UPPER
asciilifeform: arbitrary 'don't report the answer for T units of time' doesn't work, because you have no hard assurance of no spill.
asciilifeform: and it is == as not having the box.
asciilifeform: now i know that a certain % of the time your 'box' is spilled out of.
sina: any actual practical example of making it spill out of the time box? lets say two independent processes, one is preparing the payloads and putting them in an "outbox"
asciilifeform: and the only way to make it so that i can't -- and ~probably~ so -- is to do your arithmetic in constant time.
asciilifeform: because if i can make your thing spill out of the time 'box' which you made for it, i get >0 info re your key. again.
asciilifeform: the only way to make guaranteed time bound is... constant-time arithmetic
sina: asciilifeform: don't pop a vein, I absolutely get your point, I was trying to explain (erroneous or otherwise) the path walked
asciilifeform: (if i can unglue the auth from the payloads, because the latter are plaintext -- IT IS HOMEOPATHIC)
asciilifeform: this is elementary, and the fact that i have to, apparently, explain this, beggars the imagination
a111: Logged on 2016-02-07 23:57 mircea_popescu: complete anonimity between peers more than one node removed ; complete secrecy outside of the node group ; no integrity or authenticity outside of the wot trust.
trinque: ^ great threads in there.
asciilifeform: sina: in the linked thread, mircea_popescu described why he did not want to use rsa ~signatures~
asciilifeform: you gain NOTHING from the crypto unless it is applied correctly - i.e. to whole channel.