mircea_popescu: no fucking idea as of yet why or how that works, but they DO replicate it.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile on the other side, what the chumpmasters are doing is simply create and inject irrelevant complicacy. people discussing splat distance ? let's talk about drag. it is a 0.1% factor at the most, so let's discuss it. people wanna pick a president ? let's find out who said nigger more times. this matters, to 0.1% or below, so let's focus on that. etcetera and forever, and amusingly enough they replicate it.
mircea_popescu: whenever i write fiction about rando anglotard gleefully jumping into a steel cock cage the usual gleeful anglotard response is that "he just dun understand what could possibly possess dude in story to behave thusly". nevertheless, when presented with the exact, point-by-point equivalent for their head, they without exception jump right in, which creates the very strange yet picturesque situation where a buncha doods with ste
mircea_popescu: ent. this is not humility, but psychosis, and of the saddest kind. you CAN actually MAKE yourself impotent by insisting with it -- and it works equally well with erections as with thoughts.
mircea_popescu: this is not said once, but multiple times and in multiple aspects ( take http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ for instance, or phf's comment re cyphercomms, or tons and tons of others), and it all comes to the same root : IF you engage irrelevancy, you will arrive at wrong results. IF you engage irrelevant complicacy, you will arive at an unwarranted misjudgement of yourself -- you will think yourself impot
mircea_popescu: this pretty much sits at the core of the whole dispute. by "fit in head" tmsr simply means "do not engage irrelevant complicacy". complicacy serves as a term of art here, to denote things that are constructively complicated, as opposed to the naturally complicated. what your woman means when she speaks is complicated ; but marriage is complicacy.
mircea_popescu: ng, so let's discuss the differences between signal and telegram, trump and hilarity, two cans of pepsi.
mircea_popescu: now THIS is what we mean by "learned helplessness" in each and every single instance where that term of art is used. guy who could, and on the basis of having passed into 9th grade somehow SHOULD, evaluate a claim as to factuality, accuracy, correctness etcetera fails to do so. the failure is not organic but psychogenic. the replacement of sanity with socialistard blather follows from this, because you know, gotta say somethi
mircea_popescu: act with entirely irrelevany complicacy) and b) they're "many", which obviously matters. that they're many ~sybils~ does not matter, for reasons unexplained.
mircea_popescu: reasonably bright, diligent fellow, who also happens to http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#selection-711.0-711.610 ended up believing himself 1. NOT in a position to evaluate a claim as to distance because he "can not calculate drag from the human body" ; and then consequently 2. ACCEPT some wikitardation as legitimate on the basis that a) he's impotent (as demonstrated by his cont
mircea_popescu re-reads drag discussion from yest, realises it is a very fundamental process at the root of socialist empire. consider what happened :
mircea_popescu: it's the state-of-the-art re the topic, from people who actually study it as opposed to uswank it.
erlehmann: asciilifeform i think mircea_popescu may be onto something with awareness of transitions. there was this one organization for sucide help (something swiss) and many people who get greenlighted by them actually do not kill themselves.
erlehmann: but i can't really put it together
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Seinfeld - George wasting his life - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DWaokRFqsdUM>; I Like to Get the Daily News | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/pages/I-Like-to-Get-the-Daily-News/380623590858>; Contact Us - NY Daily News: <http://www.nydailynews.com/services/contact-us>
mircea_popescu: !~google "i like to get the daily news"
asciilifeform: pediwikidiots whine that 'ohnoez jp suicide rate' but really it is other countries that suffer from folx with excessive hanging on
erlehmann: > There’s a very scary trend online now where young people kill themselves online. How terrible is that?!
erlehmann: guy in my school from parallel class suicided himself by highspeed train. there were no buildings around with more than three floors (excluding ground level).
asciilifeform: there, iirc was a chick who survived parachuteless fall from liner
mircea_popescu: had the deency not to. plain asphalt, smooth, crushed ~every bone in her body.
asciilifeform: more interesting when they fall on a car
mircea_popescu: there was no question of survival, indentification more a concern.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 16:30 phf: building wot for all comers will suffer the same fate as pgp. since nobody's using it, it turns into an arms race of easy to use, or "innovation" also known as masturbation over technical minutiae. i sort of realized this when i tried applying tmsr solutions to my cypherpunk friends: "no we don't need to research the difference between signal and telegram, just encrypt it to my gpg key and post it on dpaste or whatever." eliminated all the technical di
mircea_popescu: "drag" is aconsideration in this discussion for the sort of intellect that reads wikireddit and thinks haskell is a useful programming language.
mircea_popescu: i just did the math to show you the thing you copy/pasted is nonsense -- surely someone jumping from 214 meters (about 100 floors) will still die.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the pretense some derp "reasoned" about suicide is ridiculous of the prime order. who exactly is so equiped that they may so reason ?
mircea_popescu: in practice, asciilifeform, there is.
mircea_popescu: doesn't have to call it quits on calling it quits. just on calling it quits right then and there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it just sits there. there's no transition on a roof. if anything, the lack of transitions is calming, which is why jumpers can notoriously be talked out of it. make no sudden gesutres, let him take in the outdoors, he';ll climb down.
asciilifeform: and the fictional idiot in hanbot's 'yankee'
mircea_popescu: have you ever seen an idiot stop in a doorway ? because his brain simply shut down confronted with the transition ? "oh, room. outdoors. whoa!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform people are not thinking agents. in deprs, transitions are a major consideration, much more so than any others.
erlehmann: > JR East, the line we were trying to take, is the most popular for suicides because it charges the bereaved families the least.
mircea_popescu: except... they don't.
asciilifeform: and the later wank
asciilifeform: nfi. but recall the bernardino postal
mircea_popescu: i wonder if the guy's cessna was insured.
asciilifeform: at any rate, the traditional ustard suicide, at least of grown man, is by auto. counts as 'accident' for insurance.
mircea_popescu: do you know that salo joke, "hey, the muscovy went to space !" "all of them ?" "no, just one" "then what are you bothering me for"
asciilifeform: ( naturally 0 , afaik, official count, but back when i rode the train daily, it was delayed 'for track problem', and telltale equipment visible later, every few mo. )
asciilifeform: incidentally we have these here
mircea_popescu: ^ erlehmann there's your source, courtesy of friendly birdy in my ear.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Tokyo's " Human Accidents ": Jinshin Jiko and the Social Meaning of ...: <http://digitalcommons.macalester.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1012%26context%3Danth_honors>; Tokyo : Earthquakes and train suicide . | - Hong Kong Housewife: <http://hkhousewife.com/travel/tokyo-earthquakes-and-train-suicide/>; The Culture of Japan - Web Tome: <http://webtome.weebly.com/blog/the-cultu
mircea_popescu: !~google mark saldana, tokyo's human accidents jinshin jiko and the social meaning of train suicide
mircea_popescu: it's the sign of age, what!
asciilifeform: so whence the old blue cock
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am not protesting the passage of time, nor its effects. merely remarking on it.
asciilifeform: just like folx kink entertaining heathen idiocies here.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 01:29 mircea_popescu: "when a man grows old, and his balls grow cold, and the tip of his prick turns blue, he may in turn start do as the subj link describes, an' triage'm by symptoms"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-07#1679878 << i'm curious, what's the non-blue alternative? read all?! then no time to eat, sleep... read 0? state-of-the-art solution, practiced by many. but sometimes crackpot proofs are novel in some entertaining way. hence 'triage'
a111: Logged on 2017-07-01 15:38 mircea_popescu: yet these "measures of all things" exemplars of pure humanity, that honestly believe their heads are capable of any lifting, if they "just had the facts" hurr durr lol lol snort, nevertheless can't see far enough ahead to realise they're "leaderless" because their leaders are out and out bullshit, and for no other reason.
mircea_popescu: amuysing factoid -- the japs got rid of the problem by making bereaved families pay fine + repairs.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i got one of those bar shot ladle things, for ease of delivery. it's a very useful implement.
asciilifeform: erlehmann: there are societies devoted to encouraging emo teenagers to jump from roof. why not also for uploading privkeys.
mircea_popescu: a nudge is as good as fuckall to the blind bat.
asciilifeform: 'to the furnace. next.'
mircea_popescu: i mostly like the intimation that while they may not have any exact proof, they do have sufficient inexact ones.
asciilifeform: erlehmann: these are a snore and merit 0 brain cycles at all
erlehmann: WELL IF THEY ARE PRETTY SURE THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH RIGHT
mircea_popescu: "when a man grows old, and his balls grow cold, and the tip of his prick turns blue, he may in turn start do as the subj link describes, an' triage'm by symptoms"
asciilifeform: in practice, enthusiastic halfwits dun have much originality in their works.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it were fashionable for folx with 3rd grade education to attempt such proofs, and i got one in the mail ( why., though, i dun work in that racket ) i might begin to do as subj link describes, and triage'em by symptoms
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember the "England -- implementation of logarithm" ? await ye till republic is actually where the idle seek their bread. then watch and be awashed art the deluge
mircea_popescu: of latter -- maybe 50% of the time
mircea_popescu: i expect alf himself WILL voraciously read "proof" of former, no matter the source.
mircea_popescu: anyway. his bad for inserting a conjecture among actually known shit. there's a difference between "we don't know if rsa is hard" and "we know you can't compress all files"
asciilifeform: it is , i mean, problem not only for one side. as the linked piece is about.
mircea_popescu: and the faucet for when practical in your hand ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is theoretically a problem
mircea_popescu: i seem to recall you spending some lines discussing the problem of "unknown practitioner"
asciilifeform: i dun see the problem at all
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't per se dispute the piece can be rescued with liberal application of benevolent reading balm. i just don't seem inclined.
mircea_popescu: and the digit-of-pi dude ?
asciilifeform: wiles was a known pro, 'in the wot', note.
asciilifeform: ~from rando with no symptoms of any mathematical study~ you betcha not worth reading !
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the proposition that a proof for fermat's conjecture is not worth reading past page four is not factual.
asciilifeform: and they're still in business ( to an extent, old age took its toll, and new ones not being made )
asciilifeform: what about the dudley piece is in any way false ? the folx described therein, behave exactly as described, i have met them
mircea_popescu: sure. and they will. but dudley's piece is now... just as pseudo, and just as crank, as theirs,
asciilifeform: the ~same folx are to this day sending fermat proofs 3pgs long, with rotten algebra, as before wiles..
asciilifeform: yes but not to the 'trisectors'
mircea_popescu: kinda diminishes the piece in retrospect.
mircea_popescu reread his own version of dudley. are you aware fermat theorem proofs is in his list ?
asciilifeform: still won't save the receiver from.
asciilifeform: ( iirc they do finally have a signed private gps band )
asciilifeform: did the usg.ntp people ever get a signed version going, i wonder
mircea_popescu: people pretending otherwise are pretending otherwise, like the girlies trying to get a husband by staring.\
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as central authority, nor ever was. nor could ever be.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the "central authority" bullshit is LITERALLY and quite exactly "time telling oracle"
asciilifeform: ( laugh, but the brit royal society considered this... floating towers , cannon signals etc )
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 00:50 mircea_popescu: 'Perhaps the best example of claiming credit for a problem that did not exist before is the marine chronometer. The marine chronometer enthusiasts claim it solved the timing at sea problem. Two men attempting to meat in front of Saint Paul's need to agree on a time of day, so how do you provide time for a ship at sea ? Very simple, you do not send out ships without a timetelling oracle onboard.'
mircea_popescu: is it the u dudley piece ?
asciilifeform: the ' trisectors' piece is hilarious, erlehmann
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/there-has-not-yet-been-seen-a-simple-thing-even-if-were-drowning-in-simple-people/
erlehmann: i remember reading an article about the trisectors
erlehmann: i wonder what “simple” in that sentence would mean. short? or “i have a beautiful solution but it does not fit into the margin of this input field”?
mircea_popescu: cuz you know, dollars don't lack a central authority. somehow. because if we lalalala really hard pantsuit hilarity losing the elections didn't happen and totally the fed is in control of shit.
mircea_popescu: this is by no means singular derapage of one stray goat, either. "how do you check the correctness of a program ?" "very simple -- first, you build an universal corectness checker. then, you feed it your problem. done!"
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 01:49 asciilifeform: 'Perhaps the best example of claiming credit for a problem that did not exist before is Bitcoin. Bitcoin enthusiasts claim it solved the “double spend” problem. A music MP3 can be copied multiple times so how do you stop digital money being spent multiple times? Very simple, you do not create a form of money that lacks a central authority.' << ahahhahaha
mircea_popescu: babbage sleeps happily in his grave, serene in the empirical knowledge that the anglotards of today are just as fucked in the head as the anglotards of his day.
mircea_popescu: 'Perhaps the best example of claiming credit for a problem that did not exist before is the marine chronometer. The marine chronometer enthusiasts claim it solved the timing at sea problem. Two men attempting to meat in front of Saint Paul's need to agree on a time of day, so how do you provide time for a ship at sea ? Very simple, you do not send out ships without a timetelling oracle onboard.'
shinohai: I was in there like maybe a year ago, it's definitely as dead as #b-a
mircea_popescu: do they have a chatroom for bugs and suych ?
shinohai: While Limnoria is stable bot platform, the way it handles plugins does a lot of crazy shit I've never been able to fix. :/
shinohai: Yeah phf ....it's the heathen google plugin that came with gribble. I haven't bothered to fix, sorry, since I have a rewrite in the worx
phf: shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679724 i just noticed that jhvh1 seems to mangle urls with escape sequences in them on search
BingoBoingo: ^ In other CHIraqi failed states
mircea_popescu: much lower "perceived spoiliage value", however. and this because indians aren't worth jack shit in a fight ; whreas rosas kinda scared them
mircea_popescu: closer than they were in 1812
asciilifeform: getting materiel to sa was then almost as today is to orbit
mircea_popescu: england, france, the usual muck.
asciilifeform: rather than technologically superior 'martians'
asciilifeform: de rosas was fighting other agrarians, neh
mircea_popescu: had the south managed to produce a de rosas, it'd have been a very different place. substantially, not just superficially.
mircea_popescu: in sicily he is known as the honorable man, ie mobster.
mircea_popescu: he is the continuator of the ancient military traditions of aristocracy, and he yielded the caudillo in south america. he yielded nothing in the southern us, principally because, agian, the germans are congenitally retarded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ~only morally or intellectually respectable character in italy, ie the 1800s thing, was to be founbd not in italy but in sicily, which is altogether a different place.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: soo the 1812 thing - yer thinking of a separate 'southern' peace with britain..?
mircea_popescu: THAT is what i mean by "ye olde "live and let live" whereby the conservative is always in the end hung.".
mircea_popescu: that it wasn't is principally due to the germans being congenitally retarded, and no moar.
mircea_popescu: not really. could have been more romiche reich than empire francais, at the very most.
asciilifeform: but washington/hamilton, with their bait'an'switch trick, nuked that.
asciilifeform: theoretically 'articles of confederation' america could've been moar venice than gypo.
mircea_popescu: i was not. i was stating the gypos then befouling the peninsula are not worthy of inclusion in the species.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so argument is, no venice was possible ? why bash garibaldi then
mircea_popescu: somehow in your mind these two things, one on mars, the other on alpha centauri, kinda meld into a single item
mircea_popescu: i tihnk you have no appreciation of the fact that a thousand years is much MUCH wider than the piddly 5k kms making up the us sideways.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's entirely no relation between garibaldi and say venice. you wanna talk d'este, sforza, zee germanz etc.
mircea_popescu: italy was used as a topographic name in the late empire (ie, 300s, italia) and else in the late 1800s
mircea_popescu: you can't fucking reference the original, 1200 tmsr as "disunified italy" wtf is this.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-05 22:28 asciilifeform: re mircea_popescu's hash, another observation : it is not ever necessary to actually invert S. ( i will leave the reason for this, again, as an exercise to readers )
PeterL: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/S4MzV/?raw=true << mpfhf in python , I was thinking about http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-05#1679471 and flipping a single bit instead of going through the whole array
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, venice (tmsr!), genoa, florence, all shitholes in the parallel universe mircea_popescu apparently posts from?
mircea_popescu: you can go to the acropolis right now, see the useless fucktarded greeks sitting around. ~same bs.
mircea_popescu: buncha uppity "students" sitting around coffee tables and being idea men. fuck them with the boot shaped peninsula.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 20:46 mircea_popescu: leaving aside that "an italy" would have been utterly horrible, there's no significant difference between these in respects that interest us. neither wanted "a holy roman empire", and so...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679687 << i'ma very curious nao, what mircea_popescu finds so horrible about the original disunified italies - y'know, the place that contained the original tmsr...
mircea_popescu: ie, historically more yous was the only thing they actually knew how to make. so they did. so... not much of a problem.
mircea_popescu: none of this, "i have these toys in my shop, which i play with today".
mircea_popescu: anyway, PeterL has a solid point : you may think of whatever split between capital goods and labour, but fact is, at the time we are discussing the shovel owned oyu, not the other wayu around. if you owned a shovel you were god damned out there shoveling every day.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the + is coming oiut of the fed imaginary account, which is cvurrently still credited by china.
asciilifeform: 'where is the + coming from'
asciilifeform: PeterL: the system in question is not the shovel, but you+shovel, and it'd sell for >10bux on slavemarket
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform look into small business papers sometime ? waht can i tell yoiu, the bezzle's the bezzle, it's what it does.
mircea_popescu: well, look at modern business. you throw up a bunch of vynil fresh off the boat, worth 40k if you're drunk that day, and call it a restaurant. then you expect revenue in the mn+ ayear.
asciilifeform: 'your 100 btc capital good produces 1k btc a year' << where does the + come from in this scenario ?
mircea_popescu: and yes they had re tax : to own a plot of land you produced knights.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and nobody had anything like modern peasant's productivity, either.
mircea_popescu: for the schmucks getting the sharp end of that stick, the difference will be negligible.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that'd be 'a lord', rather than 'a crown purportedly acting in the name of all lords'
mircea_popescu: leaving aside that "an italy" would have been utterly horrible, there's no significant difference between these in respects that interest us. neither wanted "a holy roman empire", and so...
asciilifeform: at the risk of oversimplification -- washington & co were in favour of setting up 'an england'; j & co -- 'an italy'
mircea_popescu: also, "tmsr style" may be a misnomer. the republic receiving tax from the lords voluntarily is one thing, but there's nowehre in statute or custom where it says lord can't grind into paste any subhuman peons it gets his hands on, to extract whatever he extracts.
mircea_popescu: recall (part of why i even republishedf that) -- hamilton was an original, and originally a lonely, voice in the "to spend -- you MUST first tax" camp.
asciilifeform: as for whiskey rebellion -- that's when usg first switched to collecting tax forcibly, vs tmsr-style. buncha 'uppity' folx didn't 'get the memo', hanged a few tax collectors, massacred.
mircea_popescu: this is the dark secret of gender disparity : after the deed's done, woman gets more than she expected, and man less.
mircea_popescu: veterans not getting paid what they thought was fair is an absolute part of all war.
asciilifeform: shay's was the start of usg's long and happy tradition of not paying debts when it dun feel like
mircea_popescu: what about them are we considering ?
mircea_popescu: hamilton wasn't doping centralized megastate either. it's unclear what washington wass doing, as also not idea man, but probably ALSO not megastate judging by how if he were, he'd have been the king of united states literally.
mircea_popescu: so then how can he rep
mircea_popescu: his "ideas" if you can call them that are all sorta broken.
mircea_popescu: i suppose technically roosevelt broke the shattered remains left after monkeyboy lincoln, but still, general idea.
mircea_popescu: the usual mo is this, very strictly antiauthoritarian, "we'll get our own schmuck emperor and then ruin the thing"
asciilifeform: where do i download the client that makes usd exchange rate 1giga ???
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is more complicated. original church was very much republic, much like original us presidency. then the socialistards got roosevelt in and broke it. similarily to how empire meant something, before napoleon.
asciilifeform: 'even if i run the real bitcoin node, my bitcoins price are going to crash. you can try to isolate yourself with that software, but the price is subjected to whats going on outside.'
asciilifeform: in terms of separating moneyed idiots from the moolah -- this beats the 'chilean gulch' thing.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-21 15:10 mircea_popescu: rules to fucking live by, you know, "by the time you feel like you wanna live in a submarine, it's time to gtfo and find a better place."
asciilifeform: in other crackpotteries, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-21#1673058 >> http://www.migaloo-submarines.com << claims to sell 'submersible yachts'. asciilifeform watched the ad film, horrified, thing has WINDOWS
asciilifeform: 'You can't escape this garbage, even in the pages of respectable math journals. There are no safe spaces. We are doomed.'
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 14:50 phf: http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/Diaries/2017-06.html << “So far as the question I opened with is concerned — "If we tried to use our nukes, would they work?" — I'm guessing the answer is "probably not."”
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679586 << lulzily from same, 'math corner' , in re ye olde http://trilema.com/2017/time-to-get-out-by-the-way/ >> http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/Diaries/2017-05.html#20 ( motherfucker makes his pgs unlinkable individually )
asciilifeform: ( witness how the early church bureaucrats passed off a vpress of the newtestament as 'the whole thing was always linear' )
mircea_popescu: "and here's the list of necessary steps that lead to it!"
mircea_popescu: ever since the early seeds of socialism showed up in paris (not so coincidentally, where syphilis also comes from), it's been one great race to re-construct human thought into socialistardation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's for 'feeding' period. vtree is not fit for feeding to passive mouths, fella has to go out an' get it himself, i.e. the original concept of scholarship
mircea_popescu: quite on the contrary. that can be a pretext, if you're willing to eat it. and if not -- others available.
mircea_popescu: it's not for feeding the dullnormal, though.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679599 << this is implicit to any forced (i.e. for feeding to dullnormal children) linearization of history, which is at the very basic a vtree
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-06#1679600 << the bigger, imho, puzzler, is why they even bother to bring up newton
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: in other words -- us schools don't work on purpose, not by accident. and like those, everything else, nukes, embargoes, name it.
mircea_popescu: and if it takes a little incidental mention of the history of thought, fine, just as long as it's a) safely bowdlerized into nonsense and b) really, incidental to the great story.
mircea_popescu: schooling for the purpose of convincing as many unexamining intellects as possible that "in the soviet union kids get icecream". if it takes putting the agitprop mechanism in the middle of the forest cuz that's where the peasants go... well, they'll mount it in a truck.
mircea_popescu: what is important is for the kids to end up with the purposes idiocy implanted in their heads. and they do. which is how they end up thinking "modern medicine" has something to do with life expectancy changes. as opposed to sanitation.
asciilifeform: fromloper: who goes there ?
mircea_popescu: the replacement of causes with purposes in this sense is the ONLY point of "school" as the socialists do it. it's uninteresting to understand exactly what the theory of gravity is, says or does, or what a number is, or anything else of that kind
mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid that was sexually abused through the process of socialist schooling (which is all of them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with the idea that newton sat down TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and THEREFORE he did.
mircea_popescu: the same great lie fundamental to all socialism.
mircea_popescu: revisiting the above "progress" great lie of socialism : just as eg wikipedia parasithizes (see alf/naggum re how this works) the encyclopedia space, turning whatever it can steal into "wearenotbegging for donations", just like github tries to accrete "wild" work into something they can sell down the road to the bezzlevestor, just so school in the socialist state (as designed by trotsky, stealing from bismarck) works also on
mircea_popescu: but by definition, naive early adopters have their own ideas.
mircea_popescu: phf i kept telling the naive early adopter noobs that gifting coin is fucking dumb.
phf: nah, a very naive, outsider "somebody gifted me bitcoin, i logged into coinbase recently and the whole experience is a piece of shit, so bitcoin, shmitcoin, whatever"
phf: (although from the same diary page, http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/Diaries/2017-06.html#07 entry named "bitcoin bites" is just amusing)
mircea_popescu: next issue of fiat paper will read Ourshit Dun Work instead of the racist/rapist in god we trust bit
mircea_popescu: but anyway, they'll work just as well as everything else in the empire of stupid works. did "ourembargo" work ? sure, in the sense shittington post wrote about how it will, and then promptly forgot it ever happened
mircea_popescu: good thing mp is so wrong about things then!!!1
phf: http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/Diaries/2017-06.html << “So far as the question I opened with is concerned — "If we tried to use our nukes, would they work?" — I'm guessing the answer is "probably not."”
mircea_popescu: then that can also handle deeding fees, and lo and behold, actual cryptoeconomy
mircea_popescu: the original plan was to tie in payments with deedbot payment system, and im sure that's how it'll work once that bit of infrastructure is ready.
mod6: can i also say that this whole lobbesbot thing is a pretty great model. does auctions, then he collects the fees (monthly?).
mircea_popescu: poached the cr soccer coach, it's a thing
mircea_popescu: but anyway, if costa rica enlarges its airport because it gets tons of traffic and it HAS TO, panama will built an even larger one!!!! which nobody really needs wants or uses. but THEY ARE BETTER DAMNIT
mircea_popescu: teh ticos (costa rican ethnonym) are actually very serious, dedicated people. like shorter, more pleasant californians let's say. the nicaraguans are dorks and the panamanians are all to a man this strange rendition of the frustrated shittier brother.
mircea_popescu: they got it back up same evening. (not universally, nicaragua was still without power the next day for instance)
mircea_popescu: ah, that was 3 hours, then
mircea_popescu: i think i even mentioned this in the logs at some point. perpetual connections are unsanitary.
mod6: ah, i mean, where the girls were carrying up buckets of water?
mircea_popescu: ah it wasn't the power, i have it set to disconnect at six in the morning deliberately.
BingoBoingo: Well, those are used for actually DOING the work
asciilifeform: interestingly, when asciilifeform was a cable runner he had a very cheap but effective similar-looking 'fox and hound' tool. i suspect that these are easier to get right , because the signal injected by the 'fox' is not 60hz and is not pestilentially everywhere in the house
BingoBoingo: Essentially an extortion racket centered around avoiding the healthcare extortion racket
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> dunno wai this had to be 'modernized'... << Faster!!! For the modern jobsite!!!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> hard to think of a more catastrophically useless tool << There a better an worse variants of this tool. Pretty much only the good ones sell for this reason.
asciilifeform: 'Martin Walker is Banking and Finance Director at the Center for Evidence-Based Management (CEBMa) and produces research for financial consultancy Finadium. He has extensive experience in investment banking IT and operations.... Dresdner Kleinwort and Global Head of Prime Brokerage Technology at RBS Markets. He also held roles at Merrill Lynch and HSBC Global Markets...' etc
asciilifeform: 'Regarding security, resilience, privacy, transparency to regulators. Those rules are generally there for very good reasons that do not simply become irrelevant because the technology changes.' << didjaalsoknow!!
mircea_popescu: fiatards are a fine example of claiming they resolved a problem by conceptual contorsion.
asciilifeform: 'Perhaps the best example of claiming credit for a problem that did not exist before is Bitcoin. Bitcoin enthusiasts claim it solved the “double spend” problem. A music MP3 can be copied multiple times so how do you stop digital money being spent multiple times? Very simple, you do not create a form of money that lacks a central authority.' << ahahhahaha
ben_vulpes: aaand at the crockchain opinion hour: http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessreview/2017/07/04/seven-signs-of-over-hyped-fintech/
asciilifeform: ( magnetic, rather than electric )
mircea_popescu: are you sure you read the manual correctloy ? maybe it's supposed to work after you grab the hot wire.
asciilifeform: possibly delicate balance, between finding it anywhere in the room ( as a poorly made amp will ) and nowhere
mircea_popescu: how can it miss the field anyway, wires are very hot emically.
mircea_popescu: the chinese tool of probable demise.
asciilifeform: (mostly) unrelatedly, asciilifeform bought some chinese $various , and , in the crate, discovered a phree goodie, a 'voltalert' tool, that supposedly tests for presence of mains current noncontactfully -- by looking for 50/60Hz electric field. but witness the surprise : it gives false negative on maybe 1/3 of the hot mains wires tried...
asciilifeform: and likewise there is the 2 or so y.o. thread that all of this is a living branch of, the one with the np-hard boojums. that'd be the real mega-prize
mircea_popescu: i keep forgettiong the tards are in bayesian "intelligence" mode.