mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the classic fsen.
asciilifeform: reiser is afaik the undisputed champ, if somebody still wants to experiment with classical fs.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-20 17:00 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-20#1629256 << even reiser is almost certainly waste of time, general-purpose fs is very sharply the opposite of what we want, they are all optimized for mutability (can delete/rename/resize/etc) and fast reads at the expense of slow entity creation, as well as carrying out silent rebalances/defrags/etc.
asciilifeform: ^ where powerrangers immediately took what they could find in the l0gz and tried to use, like the savage finds the flashlight
a111: Logged on 2017-04-08 17:13 Framedragger: do you recall when you described the storage of nqb?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-08 02:31 mircea_popescu: this locks into an older discvussion re bitcoin fs, which was iirc still stalled at perf-ing the various available fs thoroughly for massive directory/file usage.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680565 << it stalled at the discovery that 1) performance is abysmal 2) for wholly fundamental reasons ( of shit-poor rewritable data structures forced by 'generic fs' shape ) 3) all extant fs would have to be patched regardless to remove idiot node caps, and may as well write proper db from scratch that is bitcoin-shaped 5) asciilifeform then wrote the latter, in ada, and put on shelf, to pick up a
mircea_popescu: mod6 problem with the very specific words is that often enough conversations are carried in wholly metaphorical terms.
ben_vulpes: a reasonable daring, my patience for aramaic went the way of my patience for kanji etc
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ( dare i presume that you want the englisch )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, the history of roman empire was attempted 500x, why should one fellow stop the rest.
asciilifeform: iirc there are ports to various pocket comp
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there's an ipnoje version etc.
ben_vulpes: relatedly, i started rereading the old testament on "kindle" this year, have been missing proper talmud for whole sojurn
asciilifeform: iirc everyone who offered to do the job, found that it was far 'more than could chew'
asciilifeform: shares some of the very same sharp edges
mod6: and as far as pete_dushenski or whomevers quest to write a log digest or whatever, it never happened. the foundation briefly considered a role for gathering up trb related parts, but that was set aside in exchange for tb0t
asciilifeform: somewhere, deep in the l0gz.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you could write an entire mega-essay re subj, they are legion
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: gotta love these
mod6: oh yeah, those are the hardest to track down. i find myself having to search for very specific words and hope i find it.
mod6: ah, yeah, the "long walk"
asciilifeform: mod6: i was speaking of vintage logs, rather than backlog
mod6: yeah, i try never to get more than 1 day behind. and sometimes, i take long walks through the l0gs on various threads.
asciilifeform: ( switches off the retardation )
a111: Logged on 2017-07-08 02:07 mircea_popescu: mod6 i used to enjoy the luxury of multipass reads through the log. but it's under threat these days
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680538 << there are times when i spend a whole day only reading the l0gz...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680532 << at one time we had a fella ( pete_dushenski ? ) embark on a 'major life and times of the l0g' thing. what became of this ?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-08 02:00 phf: ah, so it's a subtle "what tenets would that be? handy if you made a LIST of them here, eh!"
asciilifeform: asciilifeform to pet : 'looksy here, they're meangurlzing'
mircea_popescu: hey, happens to the best of us.
ben_vulpes: am i to take from this line in the od manpage that it doesn't actually output faithfully without extra flags?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680517 << this is quite a bit moar 'mean gurlz' than actually in play, phf. i dun give anything like the suggested amount of fuck. the educable - learn, the rest - will learn by pissing on the electric fence personally; or, when far too late, already having 'fucked the cousin' etc.
asciilifeform: ( and iirc i already explained this in agonizingly pedantic detail. but apparently the requisite lines in the l0gz are magically invisible..? or wut )
asciilifeform: and partly in that i find the 'prototype' that solves 0 of the difficult problems, simply not interesting. i can write a perlism that pushes shitrsa packets over tcp etc. in half hour. but why.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-08 01:13 phf: pretty sure asciilifeform is actively ignoring the whole initiative, with only periodic pounces. as opposed to his older strategy of annihilating the whole thing upfront. must be getting old
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680511 << partly it is that i'd like to do a fair share of keeping the snr high, by... ~not having same thread 9000 times~, see if perhaps the l0gz will do their bit and answer ' what does asciilifeform say to X ? ' q for those folx who have it
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> sina: trolling asciilifeform is actually pretty hard << Then why are the neighborhood's small mammals so successful with their verminating?
mod6: not sure it'll ever see the light of day tho.
mod6: im ~starting~ to get the hang of this ada stuff.
mircea_popescu: and in other real dollies, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a72431bb9683fd3181791b292e410b95/tumblr_oqv0v1DHGW1sd72xuo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: mod6 there's a part two of our show : http://68.media.tumblr.com/949f80bdc5e21cf0d317e4f5b5a3b369/tumblr_oo02vdxVUK1rat4opo1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: sina does sqlite have unicode support ? if it does, then it will necessarily be less lines of code.
sina: and you contend the actual final implementation of such a thing will actually be less lines of a code than the existing thing
mircea_popescu: well, for you in that you get to say you did it (ie, have the experience), and for alf that he's not stuck importing ALL THE REST of sqlite.
sina: mircea_popescu: I guess the gist of the question is really, how is implementing my own btree different at all to using the pretty much identical thing in sqlite
sina: although I don't get that either now that I think about it, how does the "assignments" file know which key is which?
sina: how does that related at all to the "make file with keys"
mircea_popescu: this locks into an older discvussion re bitcoin fs, which was iirc still stalled at perf-ing the various available fs thoroughly for massive directory/file usage.
mircea_popescu: sina you can implement your whatever as a binary tree, leverage the directory structure, and simply check if there's a file / write it.
sina: mircea_popescu: but still even in that case I need to "walk" the list of assignments, looking for ^available, so I need to use grep or write a iterating-finder-thingo myself and then something like sed to change the line or write a text-changer-at-a-line myself
mircea_popescu: this idea working as intended then.
sina: imagine flatfile example of "assigning" generated key from "available" => "user" state, or "user" => "bogus" state, that's moving a keyfile from gossipd/keys/available to gossipd/keys/users/foo or similar action, now my program has to either invoke "mv" or write mv-like functionality into my app
mircea_popescu: i don't know it has to be shitty, unless there's some other constraint, like "make it overnight"
sina: otherwise, how update functionality like "last seen", or "fetch X messages since last seen"
mircea_popescu: sqlite seems to be the go-to around here.
sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680437 << why I used a db: because the spec said use flatfile, I first tried to implement flatfile one and after realising I would need to either shell out to utilities like "touch" and/or "find"/"ls" etc, or implement some of their functionality myself, I decided to import a library that does that stuff not terribly, called sqlite
mircea_popescu: mod6 i used to enjoy the luxury of multipass reads through the log. but it's under threat these days
mod6: i think it's highly interesting, but indeed, there's a lot of depth. sometimes takes a while to grok the threads. that's my own personal take. getting old, not for me anyway.
mircea_popescu: and in other news, the logs stay about the same 500 lines they always are, but holy shit it seems somehow they get denser or what the fuck, it's unseemly.
phf: ah, so it's a subtle "what tenets would that be? handy if you made a LIST of them here, eh!"
mircea_popescu: just, work happens when prodded, and systematization is work like any other work.
phf: that's a tricky request, but the tenets are around shitlangs differentiation, "fits in head", v as a way of releasing code, what it means to own a piece of technology. there's a handful of threads that had definitive conclusions, that i consider tenets (i think the word should be in quotes to indicate that while not true tenets, violating them will require reopening large threads)
mod6: with btc, even if "prototype" was imho worth using in the battlefield. "you go to war with the army you have..." doesn't mean either that it can't be made better or replaced later.
mircea_popescu: im not sure which these tenets be
mod6: in this case, even the sina has said so himself, is a simple prototype. i find prototypes to be typically worth making. often there is something to be learned from them.
phf: or perhaps now that he has successfully served as the main driving force behind the tenets of tmsr technology and ensured that they are collectively accepted, he doesn't need to reaffirm them as much. but i also have wonder if the tenets have as much of a galvanizing effect now that we mostly had a chance to observe both their positive and negative effects?
mircea_popescu: are you saying he switched from trying to annihilate it to being unhappy with it because it has managed to gather some apparent support with me ?
phf: i think that it's mostly your works. his patterns are better known, there's been damping, etc.
mircea_popescu: you have a theory as to why ?
phf: pretty sure asciilifeform is actively ignoring the whole initiative, with only periodic pounces. as opposed to his older strategy of annihilating the whole thing upfront. must be getting old
mircea_popescu: the amusing part not yet picked up (i was expecting alf to jump) is that... it has inband encoding. "self" is a special word!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only accurate , useful model, is 'player piano'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the only mental model of computer per se would be "girlfriend".
mircea_popescu: what was it called, the blog thing
mircea_popescu: guy is kinda predictable, his previous codebase was a cartoon-colored illustration of the impossibility of autodidacticism
asciilifeform: the urbit thing was a cartoon-coloured extreme illustration of this.
mircea_popescu: and in the concept of computer.
asciilifeform: point being that there is an element of implicit lie, in the concept of the compiler.
asciilifeform: but rather direct writes
asciilifeform: compilers for braindamaged archs ( i.e. all extant archs ) are rather 'socialism' flavoured, in that you're stuck forcing 'unprincipled exceptions' (inline asm) if you want to use anything close to the iron's full capacity
a111: Logged on 2017-06-21 17:05 asciilifeform: doing FIVE ( yes, it's five ) machine muls, in there, and 5 machine adds ( instead of motherfucking ZERO ) JUST TO GET THE UPPER WORD of word*word mul, is not.
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's actually my bad, they called it optimizing assembler back then for some reason.
asciilifeform: phf: is the only one i know of, yes
phf: asciilifeform: the story of mel?
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: LGP - 30 - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGP-30>; LGP - 30 - Ed Thelen's Nike Missile Web Site: <http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/lgp-30.html>; Librascope LGP - 30 - CHM Revolution - Computer History Museum: <http://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/early-computer-companies/5/116>
asciilifeform: is mel is the fella from the old poem, who 'we buried him face down, nine-edge first' ?
mircea_popescu: old meaning of the term, not modern.
asciilifeform: if an optimizing compiler is possible for your machine or lang, one, the other, or likely both, are broken.
asciilifeform: no 'db lib' for the most part, was inconceivable waste
asciilifeform: i suspect that the culprit is cheap cpu cycles. in msdos age, ~every proggy read/wrote wholly custom datastructures from/to disk
mircea_popescu also, as young tyke, thought "wtf breadboard, useless shit takes more time to set up than it's worth new". then touched 120V a coupla times and grew wiser.
mircea_popescu: no argument there. but also -- an aesthetical discussion of breadboards will never result in their banishment from the workshop wtf.
mircea_popescu: it is sometimes practiced, and sometimes accepted, to ship circuits back and forth straight on their breadboard. this is entirely up to the people involved and not proper subject of legislation.
mircea_popescu: could be done in your hand, or else in your pants pocket while riding the subway. it'd be harder is all.
mircea_popescu: "i don;t understant the mechanisms YET, give me a worktable. with clearly known knobsw on it."
asciilifeform: 'omfg you mean i actually have to understand the mechanics of the problem, and craft an appropriate data structure !? atrocity! gimme sql'
asciilifeform: 'general purpose db' is the original 'dwim ai' nonsense, that imho was carried along to date on sheer laziness of programmers
mircea_popescu: "oh, but a db for each program will be unmaintainable" "good luck maintaining the feature lists of shared item then" etc
asciilifeform: re db, imho general-purpose db (i.e. the kind that has query language) is a fundamentally misconceived idea. but we had this thread.
mircea_popescu: kin da why it offends the same people.
mircea_popescu: if the dood bangs out tmsr-db within the next coupla weeks, which fwis isn't exactly inconceivable, is anyone interesrted in making mp-wp switch from mysql/etc to it ?
sina: I don't want to carve the stone first time
phf: in fact only two ports systems i know that will do it out of the box is gentoo's one and homebrew
mircea_popescu: do we have a plain and rather complete statement, specific to dbus in teh logs ?
phf: sina: i actually checked, and fwiw guix doesn't let you build emacs without dbus dependency. (in fact none of the odds and ends like svg, xml or alsa can be disabled without patching the package definition file)
mircea_popescu: sina go make a drop-in flatfile db replacement, so people can drop it in right now. there's a market, such as people who aren't happy mp-wp pulls in mysql.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's the fact of the matter : if you had the drop-in rsa ready, he'd drop it in right now.
asciilifeform: sina: what are some somethingelses that met it in the past
asciilifeform: all of the, had one thing in common
asciilifeform: sina: the reason why i am not particularly hot&bothered, is that your prototype does not contain any of the parts that comprise 99+% of the necessary work of an adult gossipd
sina: ok, thanks for validating mircea_popescu, tearing down the shithost
phf: i suspect the thinking is that you'll be running a local instance of gossipd, to which you connect over irc, so its main interface is some subset of irc (kind of how bouncers or bitlbee do it)
asciilifeform: sina: no remote traffic via irc contemplated at any point in the gossipd threads
mircea_popescu: so you don't have a proper irc client then. see ? i said irc CLIENT. protocol can stay, i see no prob there
mircea_popescu: i would say i'm quite happy, actually. as far as the user end is concerned this could work just fine.
sina: as you can see in the gossipc stdout, it's all RSA, stateless whatever style
mircea_popescu: this has all the makings of cool!
sina: mircea_popescu: ssh root@45.77.66.53 in two windows, one 'gossipd'. other 'gossipc --send-message --source whoever --message whatever' and then 'gossipc -g' to view msgs
mircea_popescu: sina ok so, paste the commands again if you will ? i'm logged.
sina: yeah cool that's pretty much what I thought after yoru comments re sqlite/rsa being the main things needing changifying
mircea_popescu: sina honestly i kinda got the tech stuff i wanted to see already, but let's do one so it actually works and there's a "first line exchanged through prototype".
sina: 'ma tear down the shithost
sina: mircea_popescu: you wanna play with this gossipthing yet?! otherwise I'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aren;t you proud ? but well done, there's nothing more fulfilling than for man to achieve goal he sets for himself.
mircea_popescu: hello tightknittly brother sina
asciilifeform: asciilifeform naively imagined that the sr-flavoured honeypot 'agora' would have perma-nuked the 'brand' of 'agorism'
mircea_popescu: death of the author, bish. he can't say anything, fanfic has established the epileptic trees!
phf: (check it, their second realm book starts out with TAZ in the subtitle, and that was the mondo 2000 thing, that we're going to build anarchist communes online. idiots, hakim bey came out and said very explicitly that the last chapter of TAZ where he ~speculated~ that internet might have a potential for TAZ was a mistake and to not please refer to your "cybercommunes" as TAZ'es anymore)
mircea_popescu: i recall now why i recalled u dudley's piece so firmly. it was because the undescribably sad.
mircea_popescu: hiow did that go, "local mathematician scores near miss".
asciilifeform: ' Well, in the early 2000s I did a secure webmail service which was hosted on Sealand. I've always considered that the control of money and payment systems was the linchpin of farm control mechanisms, so following that I became involved in the digital gold currency (DGC) industry. For the past several years I've been involved with a project related to the virtualization of stored value using cryptographically signed digital bearer cert
asciilifeform: 'For the past decade I've been a professional agorist, still doing software but working on projects calculated to assist other livestock in getting off the farm as well.'
mircea_popescu: and plox don't tell me "it's because your instruments are dirty, in factr apple could buy russia", as these discussions usually tend to go.
mircea_popescu: porn valley took over the world. silicon valley did jack the fuck shit already. why ?
mircea_popescu: there was a once almost-worthy frisco-as-seen-by-crumb. where is it and wtf ate it and ???
phf: but i take it the roots of these people is the weird california http://www.rawillumination.net/2011/02/interview-with-kevin-macardry-as-ive.html their author guy is interviewed by a robert anton wilson fanblog, and they are namedropping all the different things that were cool in the 80s
mircea_popescu: aok then
mircea_popescu: phf are you intimating they're just letting me get addicted after which they'll reel me in ???
phf: "Since we have had several downtimes of our clearnet gateways, all regular visitors are advised to bookmark the darknet addresses as well."
mircea_popescu likes the idea
mircea_popescu: ah, so like a catholic church where i take two whores in see through garb and they automagically and behind the scenes deck them in white veils, redo their hair to less brothely and sprinkle holyt water everywhere ?
asciilifeform: hence the snail speed
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: their www seems to be one of those 'onion to http converter' things
mircea_popescu: im not even sure why this would be relevant. i'm there on a web browser, nothing happened as of yet.
mircea_popescu: tis hard out there for a pimp
mircea_popescu: this should be enough to illustrate why exactly the linked piece is yet another paradoxing trisection. though dudley would predict it won't work.
mircea_popescu: t to "come up with their own reasons" as to whether they're studying basic arithmetics or not ; i DO permit them autonomy in the sense that if they bring me a dead body i'll get rid of it rather than you know, "report it to the police".
mircea_popescu: EIC https://anarplex.net/hosted/files/secondrealm/blog_post.html << the obvious objections being that formally this reads just like yet another ustarded neoprotestant "i heard there's a world yesterday and here's how to fix it" tract, as so many before starting with abolitionism and aparently never endingly ; and fundamentally that "autonomy" is utterly naive. i do not permit autonomy my slavegirls, in the sense they don't ge
mircea_popescu: they can be searched, and so on.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 23:21 mircea_popescu: you mean #trilema ? here's a part of the magnificent new tech of the republic : you too can be just as old as everyone, as soon as you get arouind to it!
mircea_popescu: you mean #trilema ? here's a part of the magnificent new tech of the republic : you too can be just as old as everyone, as soon as you get arouind to it!
EIC: i get the feeling this is a tight knit group...
mircea_popescu: alright, im in, coupla dozen ppl there
EIC: maybe the expired certificate is causing problems with kiwi?
mircea_popescu: EIC well, can't connect. i dunno, tell them if anyone cares and let me know when they get around to fixing it ?
phf: that's all i have really, it's 1am in vienna, and i know for a fact there's at least 3 parties going on right now, but i'm kind of beat and sort of thinking about going to sleep. is that how old age feels?
mircea_popescu: shinohai also weird re constants. 14716. anyway ima kiwiirc if any of the locals developed a taste for watching these
shinohai: "Connection is already encrypted by Tor, so do NOT enable additional SSL for the connection. " <<< lmao
mircea_popescu: anarplex.net 6667 or are the internet dweebs sworn to absolute wankery also weird about their constants ?
EIC: that's about the main reason no one uses clearnet
EIC: i think there's a clearnet address, but no one really uses it.
EIC: i was checking out trilema.com. feels a lot like the anarplex.net approach. more active here.
asciilifeform: ( tldr : folx continue to administer medicine to the corpse )
asciilifeform: in other lulz re ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-03#1665150 >>> https://blog.regehr.org/archives/1520
mircea_popescu: in other words, there's a relation between comutativity and colinearity, of all things!
mircea_popescu: anyway, fuck him. let's wash the useemly americana out with some cosideration of the beauty of reasoned truth. so : pappus was this greek from alexandria who first documentedly observed that if given two sets of colinear points, then the intersections of the lines uniting them will also be colinear. the beauty is that this theorem holds in all projective planes built over fields, but does not hold in projective planes derived
mircea_popescu: "It's an insoluble problem. Furthermore, I think most bug tracking systems fail us because they make us ask the wrong questions. They force you to pick a side. Hatfields vs. McCoys. Coke vs. Pepsi. Bug vs. Feature Request. It's a painful and arbitrary decision, because most of the time, it's both. There's no difference between a bug and a feature request from the user's perspective. If you want to do something with an applica
mircea_popescu: and with this, #trilema stands firmly entrenched at the forefront of anglo cultural space, and at a considerable distance from the rest of the troop, at that!\
asciilifeform: aha, them!!
asciilifeform actually had a mouse with the 8086. serial port thing. marvelled at its uselessness
mircea_popescu: anyway, between this "the vermin came later" 8086 installation, the bottle of dial glue, a pile of equerres labeled "a collection of eschers" and so on, there's just about enough for a collaborative exhibition. and yet...
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 01:28 asciilifeform: in practice, enthusiastic halfwits dun have much originality in their works.
mircea_popescu: but irl, what passes for artists is randal mcfuckhead, what's his name, with the unviolated rights of opressed minorities.
mircea_popescu: if they did that sort of shit, i could almost respect artists.
mircea_popescu: (the butt of this joke being "but listen, 8086 didn't have mice yet!" "nor bugs.")
mircea_popescu: but imagine, you know, an ancient all steel 8086 case, with a wired mouse on the right and a round metal box on the left, also wired in. box clearly labeled, "#@$!#", and inside, some dead bugs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, in other lulz : ro for straightedge geometry tool is "echer". obviously from french equerre, but i always told people it's from escher.
asciilifeform: where was that pic, of the menstruarium
mircea_popescu: because nobody came up with the obvious idea of a lulzworkshop. clearly labeled "dial glue" and other such useful items.
mircea_popescu is vaguely amusing at the whole ustardian faux-art... what shall we call it, it;s not a profession, how about community ?
mircea_popescu: but the important point -- contrary to the dood's own mendacious misrepresentation, the time and money was NOT spent on the kid.
mircea_popescu: well gotta take the kid also neh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. you know a dude who in preference of saving his kid, spent a lot of time and money saving his allegiance to the socialist state.
asciilifeform: (kid would talk just fine at home. just not in the public hell)
mircea_popescu: there's no papering over hell ; or there can never be a socialist solution to reality.
asciilifeform: re 'opt out', there was a similar phenomenon visible in, e.g., auschwitz.
mircea_popescu: rather.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-27 18:59 mircea_popescu: inb4 us medical profession wakes up to the sad fact that the raise in autism has nothing to do with ~organic~ causes. the kids just don't like the environment any, opt out.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 15:03 mircea_popescu: this pretty much sits at the core of the whole dispute. by "fit in head" tmsr simply means "do not engage irrelevant complicacy". complicacy serves as a term of art here, to denote things that are constructively complicated, as opposed to the naturally complicated. what your woman means when she speaks is complicated ; but marriage is complicacy.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-07#1680033 << btw this brought back to mind http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648764, in that usglandia snuffs by way of environmental catastrophe folks who don't like the smell of complicacy.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> "you know belinda ? the tall one with fake tits ?" << lmao
asciilifeform notices that OTHER side of glued shoe, has nao come apart
mircea_popescu: "you know belinda ? the tall one with fake tits ?"
mircea_popescu: ima start doing this to you with whores working the wash dc conference circuit.
asciilifeform: mebbe it's the czechoslovak airbnb, etc.
mircea_popescu: either that or jonas. but anyway. tru story.
mircea_popescu: did i tell the story of this art major chick who becoming homeless ended up living inside one of her creations ?
mircea_popescu: tis hard out there for a pimp
gabriel_laddel_p: other AML news: If you send bountysource claims to a paypal whose name differs from your screename, the transaction will send, and then paypal will disappear the transaction from the history of the account you sent it to, and remove the funds + bountysource will not respond to emails regarding the matter.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i sent g_l a surplus 'x61', complete with pen. not a bad box, though weathered
mircea_popescu: strangely, i am not very shocked by the turn of this covnersation.
asciilifeform sent the d00d an old lappy a while back
asciilifeform: same nonsense as the 'mortgage assets' locally
asciilifeform: or the greek eu credit
mircea_popescu: you know, like argentina. "the debt dispute is very debalanced,. becayuse it opposes a tiny group of vulture capialists to a NATIONAL STATE!!!"
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 15:27 mircea_popescu: the matter of disciplining the us population into 90% consumption cuts and 50% productivity gains over the next three to five years is not even vaguely contemplated, amusingly enough.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-07#1680050 << why would the frog boiler chef publicly discuss, to the frogs, the subject of their preparation ?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 15:27 mircea_popescu: the matter of disciplining the us population into 90% consumption cuts and 50% productivity gains over the next three to five years is not even vaguely contemplated, amusingly enough.
mircea_popescu: to briefly revisit http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-07#1680050 : the fact that us cattlehead consumption power dropped about 80% in the past three decades (ie, since the 80s, ie since http://trilema.com/2015/other-peoples-money/ or in other words since the political decision was made to simply give up, lay down and die) is ALSO remarkably absent from the fanfics.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i certify the term is apt. i have NEVER seen a country in worse economic shit, including 1980s kazakhstan.
mircea_popescu: on it goes in that vein, and you should see what a barely literate "diputado nacional" by the name eduardo "wado" de pedro had to say.
mircea_popescu: well, google dun have it, because nobody gives a shit about the anglotards, and for good reason. but here it is :
BingoBoingo: Hence, the 1200 gender-disabilities on campus that all need "reasonable accomodations" during exams
BingoBoingo: Part of pantsuit voter's induction to voting pantisuit is the infection with belief they CAN'T be made to do anything.
BingoBoingo: The ones who do realize may have the wrong reaction (build a bunker, stockpile canned goods) but they exist on the Trump voting part of the US-sorting
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> at least the argentards had this in their press, back in 2014, editorials and shit about how "the international neocapitalists" try to make them work moar and waste less, and how THEY ARE ORGANIZED AND WILL RESIST!!1 << Prolly wouldn't make it past typical US head plugs
mircea_popescu: that's why if you have boys it's always a great idea to have two. the first fucking up comes with an almost certainty the 2nd will come out alright.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i think the matter is more, 3rd world understands it is shit, looks up to eu, us, whatever. small brother syndrome. whereas us misperceives itself as civilised, which it isn't nor ever was, and top of teh pile, so couldn't possibly be anyhone to look up to (except of course france, but we dun like to talk about that, liberty fries ha-ha!)
mircea_popescu: at least the argentards had this in their press, back in 2014, editorials and shit about how "the international neocapitalists" try to make them work moar and waste less, and how THEY ARE ORGANIZED AND WILL RESIST!!1
mircea_popescu: the matter of disciplining the us population into 90% consumption cuts and 50% productivity gains over the next three to five years is not even vaguely contemplated, amusingly enough.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what could be more irrelevant to the united states than the fate of blacks these days, but hey. maybe russian spies.
mircea_popescu: (and (on the basis of (having passed into 9th grade somehow)) SHOULD)
a111: Logged on 2014-03-19 19:04 asciilifeform: and, finally, his moment arrived! von Kármán surrendered his orange ticket, took a deep breath, and said, "God, explain turbulence." Theodore von Kármán spent the rest of eternity burning in Hell.'
mircea_popescu: in any case - i can't calculate drag from human body either, nor can anyone else. there's a reason for both http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-19#567906 and wind tunnels irl : it's a measured, not calculated.