mircea_popescu: the advantage of cryptography is that you can say "all messages are 64kb" or w/e.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-09 17:12 phf: arbitrarily sized numbers are a variable sized type. gotta figure out ~some~ way of packing them. you're essentially left with type tagged size variation (if a byte is 0, then next struct is 8byte, if a byte is 1, then next struct is 16byte), but at the end you still will end up falling back to "read this number to know how many bytes to read"
sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-09#1681116 << AFAIK there are only three methods of handling this, either read header bytes which specify how many bytes to read, or read until a newline-type char or read a fixed number of bytes. would be interested in discussing that further if others know of better ways to handle, it's an interesting problem. I guess reading a fix number of bytes is preferable.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-08 20:13 trinque: what it lacks (at least as part of the CLOS standard, afaik) is a standard for how one CLOS program shares objects and methods with another, whether on same box or across the network.
sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-05#1679224 << I dunno what "dat" constitutes in this case, but you can pass in any data just by the line "M := toBinArray(*message)" and sub out *message for dat
sina: I am imagining you shaking the guy who wrote that blog by the shoulders and screaming DO YOU in his face
sina: I have been watching the logs, interesting discussions
sina: https://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2017/07/11/meshcommander-firmware-web-application << "Starting with Intel AMT 11, you can now upload a web application into the firmware that will replace the built-in index.htm page. This is super useful because you can upload a fairly complete Intel AMT management console into the firmware and access it using a browser. "
BingoBoingo: And it helps to link to the linking to later for our good friend Maxwell Lulz esq.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the grand plan for june was "bitcoin prices drop while ethereum to the moon". it worked as well as the "liberation" of some town of a name i meanwhile forgot it was so long.
mircea_popescu: at this point 50-50 odds they'll manage to scare up the funds necessary to keep the charade going a little longer
mircea_popescu: ie, usg attempting to fight bitcoin with ether will result in usg "bitcoin" exchanges bubble popping instead.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo irl, the "exchanges" were used to try and pop the "bitcoin bubble" http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-22#1673315 ; as a result they're trading while insolvent (on the btc side).
BingoBoingo: Girls tend to get the opportunity to graduate to "tampering with motor vehicle" i.e. stealing man's car to drug faster and man staying pissed long enoug to file charges, but not long enough to press for Grand Theft Auto
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> modern equiv prolly 'bike thief' << In my experience people taking bikes dun really get attached to them. Bike was there and they could use it to go drug faster.
asciilifeform: even if you cut the problem domain down to simple storage - turns out, tricky
asciilifeform: plugging the funnel at wrong end, so to speak.
mircea_popescu: (and yes -- for girls it IS prostitution. works exactly like black girl booty shaking, if there's music they WILL move. which is how you get 12yos throwing passes at all passers by.)
mircea_popescu: (note that in gypsy culture it is not a qualification for theft specifically. just independent operation, not being too dumb to live sorta thing. not a bad test for that, as it turns out.)
mircea_popescu: not really, because the gypsies were/are serious about it. sort of like injun "totem animal" thing
mircea_popescu: amusingly -- the chicken stealer (ro gainar, each language that saw them has its own word) is the lowest level of gypsy male qualification. a sort of transient baccalaureat if you will.
trinque: hell I installed far less interesting items all over the place in high school
mircea_popescu: in any case -- let the fucking bureaucracy get back to paper already, it's where it belongs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda the idea here.
asciilifeform: and during this, thought 'you could easily get folx installing 'virus' wholly voluntarily, if it eliminated this & other crapola in a silent-to-brass way'
mircea_popescu: obviously the only end state of "man who bought himself wife he could afford money-wise but not really penis-wise" is ... yellow rabid jealousy.
asciilifeform: when asciilifeform toiled in usg salt mine, on some days the Official shitbox would be ~unusable: ~no cycles left over from 'antivirus'
mircea_popescu: none of this nonsense is necessary ; just let go of the notion that dumb kid / arabic speaker / whoever on a stick may touch a machine in his born days.
mircea_popescu: the other one is that poisonous/poisoned minds end up dedicating their time to navigating the impedance mismatch. so you end up with nsa and "hackers" and "digital crimes" and what have you.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's two problems with the by-capital allocation. one is that various lusers (microsoft, govt offices, hospitals, etc) end up buying computers they can afford monetaerily, but can not afford intellectually. then it's all "antivirus companies" and "hackers" and their dumb, drunk-fucking mother on a stick.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right but they sell it at, what , 1000x margin.
mircea_popescu: currently they're "selling" it by, iirc, the half dollar. hence amazon and all that cloudy bs.
mircea_popescu: the contortions they came up to "justify" the disconnect are also pretty lulzy. really, bitch, "silicon valley" ? "investors" ? what the fuck else ? "univeresity grants for research" ? reheheheheally ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, let it be pointed out that by-capital allocation of computing power is both a) immensely, ridiculously ineffectual and b) not really practiced, not even by the "obviously right way" de facto proponents (usg)
asciilifeform: just that neither asciilifeform nor anybody, afaik, else, knows how.
mod6: mircea_popescu: thanks for the suggestion, I shall think on it.
asciilifeform: the ancient dream of the fungible cpu cycle keeps coming back. but sadly still - a dream
mod6: Perhaps people can donate hardware for whatever purpose trb, uci/gossip via deedbot; then could be accounted for by some process while under our control; maybe even listed as "asset"?
mircea_popescu: let the shepherd herd his sheep and make cheese out of them. computers are for intelligent people and no one else.
mircea_popescu: fact is : we will slowly and over the years migrate to a situation where control of hardware will not relate to any sort of "paying for it".
mod6: Anyway, I think this might be a bit off-topic from the original ; ``consider how to accept hardware donations''.
mod6: That's fair in the circumstance that said dontation was made public, indeed.
mod6: And I only use the word "obligation" as this is the language of the taxation outline within the DoS.
mod6: I'm not even sure that Mr. P. suggested that -- I only mentioned that as it is yet undefined weather such donation is "obligation free for the foundation". i.e. we hand back nothing in return.
trinque: mircea_popescu: meant that turning the foundation into a tax man with income tax records seems wrong-headed
asciilifeform: that's the thing with sybils: what you thought were independents, turn out to be an aggregate
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is that.
asciilifeform: depends in which way unreliable. e.g. say they all , on command, simultaneously reveal to be d00dz and pick up rifles. then battalion, whereas yesterday - brothel
mod6: the sovereign people it will not be enforced."
mod6: "com/deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj ) as the sole and complete public contribution that may be required of him ; that such payment satisfies the total burden of taxation upon him, and no further payments may be required, in any form nor for any reason or under any title or pretense, by anyone ; that the satisfaction of this obligation is a moral requirement, and outside of the oppinion of
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 1000 unreliable whores still make a brothel.
trinque: dunno they're accurately termed "obligations"
mod6: Perhaps, something could be devised, but it'd be a bit complex. As such, someone could "donate a node" in lieu or some credit to their yearly taxation obligations, and to receive such credit we would need to have some basic requirements met. 1) The node is running trb. 2) It is "caught up". 3) Is available and connected for >95% of the time. 4) Can be independently checked/verified that it is up by some sor
asciilifeform: hey this worx great so long as the secrecy of the contents, or the reliability of the computation, dun matter at all
mircea_popescu: sooner or later the republic will run hardware that nobody can identify the owner of.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 02:34 mircea_popescu: they only get nsa-approved diddleware from privateinternetaccess.com
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a poor indicator. ~nothing the usg does pays.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 02:41 mircea_popescu: yeah, i don't have an obvious pill either. but for instance for running nodes ? what do you care if it's evil. doesn't pay to evil.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681720 << unfortunately-- wrong; sure does pay. hence the few thou. sybils currently masquerading as btc nodes
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dba variously as usg's very own honeypot for cypher-dorks. << AHA, dedicated Thermos sodomizer
trinque: gladly, can call it a donation to the foundation for sure.
mircea_popescu: yeah, i don't have an obvious pill either. but for instance for running nodes ? what do you care if it's evil. doesn't pay to evil.
mod6: Perhaps for test hardware if they were in very good trust standing, they could send us keys to a host we could use. Not sure otherwise how we would receive such hardware.
mod6: They, of course, need to be in good WoT standing, etc.
mod6: It could be something along the lines of how I've envisioned the foundation mirrors. someone in L1 can start their own after a discussion with either of us. could be similar maybe.
mircea_popescu: they only get nsa-approved diddleware from privateinternetaccess.com
mod6: (fwiw, I have no clue how freenode does this either)
mod6: Ok, that'd be nice; especially if we can audit the hardware somehow.
mircea_popescu: but their being retarded doesn't mean we can't do it right.
mircea_popescu: mod6 incidentally, it occurs to me : it might be a good idea for the foundation to have some kind of policy whereby people interested can donate servers ? exactly like freenode, in theory, except they fuck it up so uttertly in practice it's not even funny.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-11 19:15 asciilifeform: in other 'news', '-gnatG' flag is very very spiffy
asciilifeform: ( 'but there was a protected type!' alert reader will ask. the pill is the obvious one, i will reveal it later. )
asciilifeform: mod6 et al : in other noose, i have a working experimental build with No_Implicit_Conditionals, No_Implicit_Heap_Allocations, No_Implicit_Dynamic_Code, No_Secondary_Stack, No_Exception_Propagation, No_Tasking, No_Protected_Types, No_Delay, No_Allocators, No_Dispatch restrictions.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-11 19:15 asciilifeform: in other 'news', '-gnatG' flag is very very spiffy
mircea_popescu: and in other competencies, http://68.media.tumblr.com/342d94f3bf432444b840ab02029fa4dd/tumblr_onp3juIQNh1uormd9o1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: is this a reference to the "lady of pain" ruler of sigil ?
asciilifeform: http://freya.theladyofthelabyrinth.com/?page_id=512 << heeeere we go.
asciilifeform: '... and the man who cannot use a crow like this, does not deserve to find one'
asciilifeform: well, 2nd link. but really you want the text, of this old folk song.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Krakevisa | The Elder Scrolls Mods Wiki | Fandom powered by Wikia: <http://tes-mods.wikia.com/wiki/Krakevisa>; Kråkevisa - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kr%25C3%25A5kevisa>; Leaves Eyes - Krakevisa - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DO7Eu7DX1s2c>
mircea_popescu: somehow the dorks going on "nsa running out of moneyz!" never seem to notice such points in their expert analyseses. "dude, corp that can stuff the cpld like that will NEVER run out of anything."
asciilifeform: we use 63 of the 64 available LUTs.
asciilifeform: initially targeted the '9532' but it dun even fit the uart. so it had to be the next size up.
asciilifeform: i deliberately wrote FG for the smallest commercially available cpld that would hold vonneumann + uart
asciilifeform: you can devise others, in principle, that use however many bits of flipflop you got to work with.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the state goes in what's a buffer.
asciilifeform: von neumann's is the smallest that's worth anything
asciilifeform: well they're all statemachines
mircea_popescu: now this is interesting. there is no... state machine entropy tester ? ynot!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for just about any statistical test ( other than von neumann in/out proportion ) you need a buffer.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, as a practical matter. i was just discussing the "must have buffer" theoretical point.
asciilifeform: we ain't got any tests in FG, other than 'von neumann filter has not emitted 8 bits in past 0.5msec -- lamp is red'
asciilifeform: but rather tests a proposed test of entropy.
asciilifeform: ( for the intrepid: see http://btcbase.org/patches/fg-genesis#L276 , http://btcbase.org/patches/fg-genesis#L378 , http://btcbase.org/patches/fg-genesis#L475 . )
asciilifeform: ( recall the sheet of paper that came with your FG. )
asciilifeform: so we actually have it, in there, nao.
asciilifeform: eventually i derived that this is equivalent to the equation seen in the 'watchdog' circuit in fg.v
mircea_popescu: next the usg is going to get off its ass, discover the whole rapereum "ecosystem" was $7600.
asciilifeform: dijkstra's 'testing reveals presence of bugs, but not absence' applies just the same to rng.
mircea_popescu: and in the process see also that ent is not a very good measurement tool.
asciilifeform: even moar outrageously, adding the 100 1s does not in fact 'turn it bad', the P of these 100 1s appearing in a uniform distrib is >0
mircea_popescu: the whole discussion is, given a stream of perfect entropy, how to construct known-degree-of-badness out of it.
asciilifeform: there is no mechanical test that, e.g., 'bitflipped digits of pi' does not also pass.
mircea_popescu: a is also twice as strong, because obviously b will flip on average half the bits it sets. but is this ACTUALLY half ? ie, how do yo umeasure unrandomness ? b is much more strongly patterned than a.
mircea_popescu: as alf points out, a is "better" in the sense v-n debiaser kills b, if this is a better. unclear.
asciilifeform: the possibly paradoxical answer, afaik, is there does not actually exist such a thing as good entropy. only bad and worse.
mircea_popescu: poor ben_vulpes has been silent since the blessing of wtf 10 minutes ago.
asciilifeform: iirc the d00d who found the koch whitening lulzgem used a proggy that worked quite like 'barium enema'
mircea_popescu: they -- also do 0 if not used as prescribed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is that, yes. but we're doiong this for instrumentation in teh lab not for any other purpose. it's a tracer for entropy, like the shit they make you swallow to see your stomach.
asciilifeform: btw, fun project for FG owners -- connect the analogue hoses to something other than the included boards, and see what you get
asciilifeform: incidentally if there's a vonneuman filter in the pipe, setting consecutive bits does 0
mircea_popescu: as in, balance it according to a calculation, rather than according t oa feeling.
mircea_popescu: in a sense. it has multiple utilities, it allows you to try and guess (numerically) whether for instance better entropy or more passes are useful for rabin miller
mircea_popescu: then we feed it into entropy-dependent processes (say the rabin miller test, as discussed yest) and see what comes out.
mircea_popescu: M' is now a "known low entropy bitfield". we know it to have degraded by 100/1Mb or w/e the case may be
mircea_popescu: it degrades the entropy of M' so obtained.
mircea_popescu: set them to 1.
mircea_popescu: what's the rub ?
asciilifeform unable to parse an implementable algo out of the above
a111: Logged on 2017-07-10 19:50 mircea_popescu: which incidentally brings us to a very workable and very useful tmsr definition of entropy quality : take a FG string. flip a number of consecutive bits to 1. the result is your entropy quality, such as 100/1mb if you flipped 100 bits.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes here's a high pay grade question for you : of the two models of "controlled de-entropy" i spawned in a week, specifically a) count of randomly placed flipped bits, as in the discussion with you re that and b) string of randomly initiated, n bit long SET bits, as discussed in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-10#1681268 which does the bitcoin foundation regard as a better candidate for standardization as "the republic'
ben_vulpes: byte arrays to integers for the m+1, m+2, coercions for byte arrays to integers, bit arrays for flipping random bits,
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: slowlybut surely, expanding the horizon of things i understand, taking the time to make sure i understand each part.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in the land of toy crypto, https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/655 >> '...Inmarsat satellite phones... the 64-bit encryption-key... recovered in around 0.02s on average'
mircea_popescu: "As recently as earlier today, the Fake News empire turned idiot son Donald Junior's gullibility with respect to a phishing scheme1 into their latest headline of the day which they will use to sell loyal consumers of their fiction product on the "certain end" of the 8 year Trumpreich in spite of all the actual evidence running to the contrary of their narrative supported instead by a complete lack of evidence."
BingoBoingo: In other news: Fake news attacking idiot son (Donald Jr.) for trying to impress father because shut out of campaign as an idiot
mod6 reads the rms thread
asciilifeform: see the classic, https://lwn.net/Articles/629259/ , and the rms thread, re why this is not available for c/cpp gcc
mod6: ok neat, i just ran it against my V stuff, seems to dump out all of the symbols or whatnot
asciilifeform: and /me considered pasting the example, but turns out it potentially fires in every single line, lol
asciilifeform: so for instance i throw in pragma Restrictions (No_Exception_Propagation); and see "Constraint_Error may result in unhandled exception" and then wonder where,
asciilifeform: in other 'news', '-gnatG' flag is very very spiffy
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/07/10/the-wallet-inspectors-promise-v-ico/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The Wallet Inspector’s Promise v.”ICO”
mod6: now that i've got that part in my head, now can tackle the rest tomorrow.
mod6: workin through this on the board. so!
mod6: lol, im probably just dim, but i think it's the only way im gonna understand things thing through and through
mod6: ok, my bad, i see those are the output words for W_Mul, XY_LW and XY_HI.
asciilifeform: ( they get set afresh each time it muls )
mod6: are 'Lo : Word; \n Hi : Word;' initialized to zero on the first pass through Col(...) by default?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-21 16:47 asciilifeform: because ALL ops take same time, so karatsuma, toom-cook, etc. cannot work because they fundamentally rely on breaking large x*y into a number of smaller a1*b1, a2*b2, ...
mod6: yeah, just wanted to remember/remind myself of why we didn't use that, and looked at karatsuba instead, but then saw this again: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-21#1659981
mod6 sprays down the whiteboard
mircea_popescu: and in other "i can't believe it's not butt-er", https://68.media.tumblr.com/f7dcd66710edeb9ffa4565cd0cbf3077/tumblr_omp9juCdzX1vczyw6o2_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: part of what asciilifeform was even doing re 'p' is answering the q of 'what is the minimal practical rsatron'
mircea_popescu: it should not take the average artist a year of labour to produce the optorsatron out of cheap lasers and stuff ~free in any collegiate lab, once he's stolen the unrolling and idea from log.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-07 18:01 mircea_popescu: if they did that sort of shit, i could almost respect artists.
mircea_popescu: the two aren't that distinct in this application
mircea_popescu: which suggests the very important point : bitewise equality over the result space is not sufficient proof of program equivalence.
asciilifeform: i don't expect to see many reimplementations, sadly, however, because one of the items of said spec is 'the following ops are in constant spacetime...'
a111: Logged on 2017-07-04 15:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-04#1679054 << this is a fine approach. "here's the per spec impl, here's the optimized impl. you can verify they agree wrt results ; and you can trivially verify the former is spec-accurate."
asciilifeform: p ain't a 'code is the spec' crock-o-shit tho. up asciilifeform's sleeve, is an actual spec
mircea_popescu: just as should be. first spec code then optimized code
asciilifeform: we can always get the speed BACK later
asciilifeform: upstack, ffa wants to double as a 'how to rsa' 'b00k' , i.e. at every point tradeoff was made for clarity rather than speed.
mircea_popescu: well yes, i imagined the 4kb one also composite.
asciilifeform: and if made correctly they oughta plug in for longer arity.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, you CAN NOT.
mircea_popescu: part of the point
asciilifeform: pretty lulzy, jmpless rsatron then
asciilifeform: phunphakt -- if you nail down, to a fixed bitness, the N-arity of the arithmetic, you can unroll all of the loops.
asciilifeform: in the interest of bootstrapology.
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform doing this chore does not excuse other folx from same
asciilifeform: seems like it works - almost astonishingly - as printed on the box...
asciilifeform: mod6: aha. i wanted to see how the bounds checks are done, and whether gcc4.9 takes any liberties with'em
asciilifeform: the asm
asciilifeform: i've been reading, btw, the output
asciilifeform: every single time it was 'guess wat, this is How It Works in the adult hut. for reasons that Make Sense'...
asciilifeform: slice has own bounds, the correct ones.
mircea_popescu: but can i overflow THE SLICE ?
mircea_popescu: ~same as the relation between pointer and its content, "better hope programmer didn't fuck up ; and also it usually blows up if he did so there's that"
mircea_popescu: what particular can i prove re the relation between an array slice and the index fixer variable ?
asciilifeform: in that they are replaced with a far more constrained item
asciilifeform: in much the same way as 'in' parameters (in ada procedures)
mod6: gotta take it the whiteboard a bit later perhaps.
mod6: i've read, so far seems ok -- i've got to wrap my mind around the second ("high loop") as I did before.
asciilifeform: ( behind the curtain )
asciilifeform: seekrit : in the 'most fascist' restriction mode, ada... copies slices
asciilifeform: and bloats the algo.
asciilifeform: nope. blows the cache.
mircea_popescu: wouldn't it be actually proper to copy the slice into its own array and to maintain a pairing of slices and new arrays ; rather trhan do index magics on the mult code ?
mircea_popescu: wouldn't it actually be proper to copy the slice into its own array ?
asciilifeform: and ergo retain the original's indexing.
mircea_popescu: i realyl don't like this "and now we magic-variable the numbers". it's one step up from magic constant
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this sounds like the ugliest of hacks.
asciilifeform: incidentally, (imaginary) prize to the first d00d who understands why this had to be rewritten with the loops indexing from 0 .. L-1, rather than, e.g., for i in X'Range ... as formerly
mircea_popescu: got all this iron, let's do dumbass bayesianisms on it, instead of you know, what people correctly did up to the 90s or so.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-10 19:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this'd be an interesting adjunct to the dh tests even.
asciilifeform: now for another little mindfuck,
mircea_popescu: aite, me either.
asciilifeform: there is no 'gold standard' to which i could compare fg, etc
asciilifeform: recall the dh thread
mircea_popescu: what do you mean there exists no gold rng ?
asciilifeform: which is frustrating because you can't resort to 'empirical test' here , because circular, there EXISTS NO 'gold rng'
mircea_popescu: i would very much like an exact bound, rather than an exact solution
asciilifeform: prolly hadamard's thing re prime distribution is the closest we're likely to get to an exact answer
mircea_popescu: they have the p k, 1 < 4 ** (2 - sqrt(k))* k**2 , which is useful, but i also want the p k, m
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had actually read this text, though pretty sure not in this paper. but i recall the 100,10 bounds etc
asciilifeform keeps dedicated iron around for the purpose
asciilifeform: 'mathematics of computation' vol. 61, no. 203, july 1993, pp. 177-194 ( https://www.math.dartmouth.edu//~carlp/PDF/paper88.pdf << yes it's a scan, ain't got another ) appears to give the desired bounds for miller-rabin.
mircea_popescu: could also be derived mathematically, but so far've not managed to.
mircea_popescu: which incidentally brings us to a very workable and very useful tmsr definition of entropy quality : take a FG string. flip a number of consecutive bits to 1. the result is your entropy quality, such as 100/1mb if you flipped 100 bits.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this'd be an interesting adjunct to the dh tests even.
mircea_popescu: ie, is the relative impact cuadratic or subquadratic ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's another thing i would like : a graph of the relation of the m-r failure rate to the a) entropy quality and b) margin.
asciilifeform reruns the test
asciilifeform: lol kochgpg ends up computing garbage if the 4096 cap is removed
mircea_popescu: o it was ? i was murdering the logsearch
mircea_popescu: where the fuck is that tmsr-standard-rsa-key discussion
mircea_popescu: not so. why i said do the math : cracking 4kb key the hard way exceeds the universe. this is a categorical argument, substantially different from "i could compute 2 bit key by enumeration on napkin"
asciilifeform: each theoretically 'needs multiple planets' to break via traditional methods
asciilifeform: at any rate a p proggy starts with the register bitness
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well there is that. nor should you. butwhat happens to 8kb keys is of ~0 interest nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: and not even 4096 bits, there's a whole speccing discussion re this in teh logs
mircea_popescu: do teh math, if 8kb rsa key is preferable to 4kb rsa key, there's fundamental problems with rsa that make it useless anyway.
mircea_popescu: this is sane in any other case but key size.
asciilifeform goes to the torture room answer this q empirically
mircea_popescu: yes, but i mean as the middle of distribution
asciilifeform: depends whether you get lucky, lol
mircea_popescu: what's a 4kb keygen, gotta look for the primes, say a few hundred emults ?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-29 19:57 asciilifeform: in other noose ! nao we have comba's algo multiplier as basecase in karatsuba (currently threshold 8 words) , and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-21#1673165 becomes now 7.5sec
asciilifeform: in other noose, ACHTUNG PANZERS, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-29#1676331 nao 1.99s.
BingoBoingo: Other critics on said "cultural milestone": "Rooney attacks that pie like a cake person, engineering such unusual fork scoops (she stabs the pie at least four times before each bite) that I started to wonder whether the actress had even ever seen a pie before. We all do weird things when dealing with grief, but I was tickled by the fact that Maras bizarre pie-eating method still managed to leave the crust mostly intact."
BingoBoingo: "Rooney Maras character, grieving the death of her lover (Casey Affleck), returns home to find a pie left in her kitchen by a sympathetic friend or neighbor. As the bedsheet-clad ghost of her beloved looks on, Maras character, known only as M, unwraps the pie, sinks to the kitchen floor, and devours almost the entire thing in a five-minute, uninterrupted sequence before suddenly dashing to a nearby bathroom to throw up." << Films W
mircea_popescu: and in other "cheap whore under the opposite delusion fittingly depicted atop cheap couch on cheap plastic flooring", http://68.media.tumblr.com/475c27b3bf85f5ee0fe1d2b344939189/tumblr_onxl0wT7jK1w8x9u1o1_1280.jpg