andreicon: did americans stop building their own houses?
asciilifeform: i've been to 'rich' houses. no airlock either.
asciilifeform: they get it anyway.
mircea_popescu: so if im in the livingroom with say stoya going on the main screen and a coupla girls on the couch, discussing things right ? and there's a knock oin the door, and i send one to see who's there, and she goes and opesn the door... the neighbour now sees my other girl's tits, stoya and my pubic hair ?
mircea_popescu: dude what has happened to that place, i was there not so long ago.
mircea_popescu: opens right out into the street ?
asciilifeform: many lulz re american houses, other than the well-known fact of their being made from cardboard. for instance, most of one tends to be taken up by the 'living room', which in turn is rendered ~useless because it has NO AIRLOCK ( try and put electronics in there, thermal shock, rain )
mircea_popescu: possibly because harder to fall out of bed if there's nowhere to fall to ?
andreicon: asciilifeform: that's because they love their walk-in dressing rooms which take space, you know?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682694 << incidentally americans for some reason luvvv building these micro-bedroom things. the room where asciilifeform has bed is more or less JUST big enough to construct the frame ( carried in, yes, in pieces ) inside, and that's mostly it.
andreicon: thanks for the warm welcome
shinohai: Welcome to boot camp, we've all been there ....
andreicon: but i take pride in being an above-average thinker so i'm sure i'm in the right place. just don't know why until i read the 22mn lines of logs
andreicon: i'm not exactly sure whether i'm supposed to intervene or just observe
asciilifeform: andreicon: how do you know you're 'in the right place', gotta ask
mircea_popescu: ironically, the shitter actually is plugged into the mains. water dun go uphill by itself.
asciilifeform: even the lowest javascript monkey has, say, awareness of the fact that his shitter is not plugged into the mains. and can hang a picture, change a filter, etc
mircea_popescu: if my os came up with a way to be exciting i'd probably buy a flamethrower the same day.
mircea_popescu: what, the per-acre curiosity secreted by javascript programmer is not substantially different from yours or mine, is it now. andreicon is here because he wanted what was it, a more exciting os ?
asciilifeform: what was she thinking about instead ? watching own hair grow in the mirror ?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 19:00 mircea_popescu: there's a dazzling depth to these pointless shits, which is why the whole "oh i wonder why ancient people didn't spend more time thinking -- i could derive all of euclid in an evening" is so amusing.
asciilifeform: if i were crashed on the proverbial starvation island with this animal and a dog, i would eat her first , before the dog
asciilifeform: the sheer lifelong complete absence of curiosity, needed to land on the fucking throne N times a day and never look for the mains plug
mircea_popescu: every one of these thrown rocks, flying through the air propelled by the historical power of their ancestor's accumulated wealth (aka, wisdom and work) will hit the wall somewhere. this was her somewhere. not that different from all the others.
asciilifeform: i wouldn't keep one of these around. better a dog, a horse.
mircea_popescu: the point isn't the mistake, but the fact that girl collapsed as a writhing, mucuous mess under the whip, because ~couldn't~.
asciilifeform: holy mother of shit
a111: Logged on 2017-07-02 00:20 mircea_popescu: no power, no pumps (i live up on a hillside) and so i had the girls... fery water. from the pool, with ex-paper baskets repurposed as sacas, up the fucking stairs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the following point : girl confronted with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-02#1678254 and my plain and clear isntructions broke down in tears, because, in her own estimation, couldn't understand what she's supposed to do. because had no idea whatsoever how toilet works, imagined it has something to do with electricity, so of course it can't flush if there's no power.
mircea_popescu: some parents have the wit not to allow the kids the former. fewer kids -- also have it, somehow.
mircea_popescu: but that is the point : if you spend your time learning to signal instead of learning to do, you cheat yourself of a chance at life once the whole dumbery you were exchanging signals with goes away and you're left with just the trees, johnny.
asciilifeform: and i'd predict that most of the perpetrators would stop overnight after the first educational public impalements began.
mircea_popescu: but also the $100 mn to try and get it back out.
mircea_popescu: the guy who learned in earnest how to "empathy" has not merely lost his time in the pursuit of subliterate idiocy ; but actually invested that time into implanting harmful gargauni into his skull, much like someone who spends $100 to buy some radium which he then swallows isn't out merely the $100 he paid for the radium
mircea_popescu: the fact that you've not forcefed raw beef into your daughter when she was 12 is never something that she can fix ; gym or no gym, poledancing or no poledancing, her thigh bone will be 99.85% of average length as opposed to the maximal 103.557% her genotype might've allowed her fenotype to turn out.
mircea_popescu: and so in this sense, the problem of the reddit hacker isn't something he does. it's something he did.
mircea_popescu: this is at the core of identity -- that if you spend your youth with idiots, whether you ~could have been~ smart or not, an idiot will you be.
mircea_popescu: there is a time when his neurons were making the connection-and-myelinization decision. that time came and went, a decision some way or another was made, and it is there for all time.
mircea_popescu: similarily, the child who was raised by wolves (as still practiced today, in india as well as maryland) will never learn proper speech.
mircea_popescu: phf consider this : in many insects, as well as reptiles and other inferior (and therefore simpler) lifeforms, the male/female decision, or else the reproductor/drone decision (such as in bees) is not made genetically, like it is in mammals, but through some manner or other the egg comes with a lever settable in the field so to speak. now -- the male lizzard come out of egg that was cold in its youth ain't never going to be f
asciilifeform: it's the glue-with-broken-glass we discussed in 2014, etc
a111: Logged on 2017-06-03 02:47 asciilifeform: in such a way as to judas goat the authors of said code to rewrite it such that it DEMANDS the new 'improved' compiler.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 21:07 mircea_popescu: phf "they made it an error to locally shadow cl package symbols," is this direct centralism then, "we own the names in your machine -- not you" ?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 20:41 mircea_popescu: and yet i'll remember the djb urchin cocksucker long after i've forgotten the djb mathematician. for that matter petain was a very respectable military officer. in world war i. possibly a higher caliber than anyone else in the ifeld then. and ?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 16:02 phf: i don't understand the points that you're both trying to make
mircea_popescu: the stories of people stuck dealing with the empire crapolade all sound alike, much like the stories of people stuck dealing with romania's 90s orphanages, or generally with the output of any other "realist" ideology.
mircea_popescu: phf "they made it an error to locally shadow cl package symbols," is this direct centralism then, "we own the names in your machine -- not you" ?
mircea_popescu: i can see it going that far. all who died never existed to begin with, which is why there's so little interest youth derives from one's own personal history.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman and what are the dead but just a dream we dream.
trinque: andreicon, going to want to get a permanent connection, and stop the join / part noise.
diana_coman: at the extreme that means then that well, it died therefore it never existed to start with
mircea_popescu: phf: for the longest time i thought that common lisp spec is a magic paper against modernization. << check it out, the apotropaion of lisp!
diana_coman: but then it got eaten; failed to adapt basically, which in one way all death is
mircea_popescu: this is rather plainly retroactive.
mircea_popescu: i dunno. the fact is that the core rotting away results in the conclusion that "there was no core to begin with" rather than in the conclusion rthat "it had a core -- but then it ated it."
diana_coman: I'm really more exploring where this goes rather than having some solid thing on it either way
mircea_popescu: antonescu's letter to the turpitidinous "traditional parties" even references some speech of his.
mircea_popescu: and yet i'll remember the djb urchin cocksucker long after i've forgotten the djb mathematician. for that matter petain was a very respectable military officer. in world war i. possibly a higher caliber than anyone else in the ifeld then. and ?
diana_coman: that much is clear re preference and all that; the retroactive part is at least...interesting if not iffy outright
mircea_popescu: "leonidas died young, and when asked by someone why is he dying young, leonidas answer that he prefers the citizenry wonder why leonida is already dead than to bemoan leonidas still being there."
diana_coman: maybe; the more general distinction that kind of held was southern/northern or eastern/western and moreover in the sense familiar /foreign/very foreign
mircea_popescu: could just as well have had that patchwork set instead of the current patchwork set.
mircea_popescu: this sounds counterintuitive, but they're all talking of the same thing. no longer "ethnically determined state", as it happens, but that's happenstance.
diana_coman: eh, to Italians in the South I looked...German!
mircea_popescu: but the point is for the core to not be rustable, if it's to be a core at all. otherwise what's core mean ? geometrically derived ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, myeah; thing is rust eats out core until there's nothing left but that's not to say there was just powder to start with; or in any case, not in any other sense than "it's all powder"
mircea_popescu: generally the republican outlook is substance before form (aka, idealism, aka exactly heine's "Herab auf Euer romantisches Haupt des Himmels modernste Blitze") whereas the imperial outlook is "context only" hence the pantsuit's demographic delusion re 2016 elections.
andreicon: wife is bitter cause the husband hit her
andreicon: wives are just women if there's no husband
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 15:07 diana_coman: well, I can't see how slow accumulation of concession to shit leads to anything other than "chemically bonds to it" at some point
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682471 << it all goes back to the following fundamental : is there a substance to things beyond the context, or isn't there ? (traditionally stated by ustardia as "nature-nurture conflict", which is nonsense). in any case -- can you take the tica out of the barn and the barn out of the tica ? or just one ? does the whore become ~substantially~ unwife through living in the brothel long enough
andreicon: i think imma keep the help page in a tab somewhere
phf: andreicon: now would probably be the right time to figure out deedbot's challenge/response dance for self-up, since you're now registered and in wot
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 15:03 mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".
phf: microsoft did a "pivot" under the indian guy and "embraced" "open source". they have an aws competitor, and a user space lunix and i don't know what else.
andreicon: asciilifeform: i've been trying to set up a honeypot, i strive to be on the good side
asciilifeform: andreicon: art of virusism is not for you then
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> lol i had nfi you could get these on microshit's hoster << Recent-ish thing
asciilifeform: andreicon: if not, you then have an easy boobytrap for 'scanning utils i've used'
andreicon: or other vuln scanning utilities i've used
BingoBoingo: <andreicon> i believe this is the usual behavior for browsers << Normal for good scrapers
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ah lol institutionalized cuckoldry << Nah, pretty typical role for the young homosexual male. When the women got fat and the gays went mainstream became "fag hag" phenomenon.
mircea_popescu: anyone seen frankenhooker ? i heartily recommend, exact rendition of us-born "STEM" idiot. the dude with the power drill.
asciilifeform: not mega-puzzler. consider the haskell people. 'hey this is a mechanical substitute for my brain! says on the box!!'
mircea_popescu: "the flight research community is not flying, it is ABOUT flying."
mircea_popescu: "i'm with the flight research community" "do you fly ?" "oh, no. well... sometimes we do whippets."
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 15:06 phf: and they are coming from the "formal verification" direction, via spark
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682468 << of all the fucktarded notions... what, WHAT on god's green earth possesses a halfwit to attach himself to an idea like this.
asciilifeform still lulz at the perverse englishism 'black light'
phf: mircea_popescu: considering that i oversee a handful of web developers, while barely working myself, the joke about "he fell from the guard tower" is very apropos :o
mircea_popescu: you work in the gulag ?
asciilifeform: lol i had nfi you could get these on microshit's hoster
mircea_popescu: so you're telling me windows isn't just a skin on a functioning machine, but an actually dysfunctional from the ground up one ?
andreicon: 22 should be exposed to the world
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the ip must run some kind of machine no ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and certainly not on the classic port.
phf: i like digitalocean, though judging by the articles coming out about it's not long for this world re sanity
andreicon: we can't allow the music to stop now, can we?
andreicon: my tiny rpi won't run kodi and apache at the same time
mircea_popescu: not bad at that. i guess plenty of people may go to the trouble to curl -A "blabla" but few will also add a spurious favicon hit.
andreicon: i believe this is the usual behavior for browsers
mircea_popescu: or bots. the channel is well watched lol.
andreicon: 3 other people did visit that url
andreicon: looking at the logs i see he got it
mircea_popescu: rather than buy multipurpose trucks and excavators and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for an example of actually trying, any large open pit mining project will do ; the sort where they can aford (ie, it makes economic sense) to design their own single-run machinery.
mircea_popescu: apparently one of the most poisonus critters. only lives on bananas.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the military history of italy in ww2 is almost as amusing as the colonial history of scotland.
mircea_popescu: which is how the russians got to germany while the us was figthing the "heroic" monkeys of italy.
phf: another interesting knife from same region, https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VRUwF_g5iR0/Sgk6yhrBeYI/AAAAAAAABg8/M66pogppt14/s320/image-upload-360-758538.jpg (the lower one). that one is explicitly used for dealing with coconut trees. the hook is there keep the knife secure while climbing up the coconut tree
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform point being -- ancients did. just, they thought about things nobody cares one wit ore way or the other today.
phf: right, this is more of a worker knife. i've seen it used at construction sites for example to shape the beams
mircea_popescu: there's a dazzling depth to these pointless shits, which is why the whole "oh i wonder why ancient people didn't spend more time thinking -- i could derive all of euclid in an evening" is so amusing.
mircea_popescu: phf if you triedf to junglewalk with that thing you'd be blind for all the shit it drags into your face. machete blade is curved the other way, to (if used in the right manner) repell everything at a 45ish angle
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ayup. all primitive societies practice a sort of adolescent male cock caging as a cultural, ofthen the ONLY cultural endeavour.
mircea_popescu: phf ah that's a rather different item. it's not properly a machete, more like a sort of kukri.
phf: http://web-simco.rhcloud.com/images/products/large/P006.jpg (knife in question, mine has less curve to it, the edge is almost entirely straight with only a slight curve at the end)
mircea_popescu: it is one of the more obvious illustration of the "sexual relations === education" relationship.
asciilifeform: phf: http://archive.is/u5uG8 << might be interesting to learn where d00d got his hardware. because the article immediately gives us the fact that that particular receiver has the cripplement in firmware. after this, only a matter of finding where (derp, of course, did not post it)
mircea_popescu: there you go, you've now just read 80% of all "exotica" literature.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, for alf's benefit since he keeps asking about afghani survival skills : the social dynamics of peace is that the upper crust girl will erotically fixate on the foreign devil with some frequency ; and without exception she will have local cicisbeo xn ; and such a local will attempt to impress her by training you, with some frequency. becauyse hey, he figures the distance'd illuminate for her dumb female head how
phf: there's a scene in samurai executioner comic book, where main character is cutting wood with a very similar looking knife, observed by a local youth. the kid later tries to repeat the move, and complete fails to even penetrate the surface. pretty much where i'm at with all this :)
asciilifeform: 'All the major manufacturers that create chips for mobile devices (Broadcom, Qualcomm, CSR, Samsung, uBlox) have these limits deeply baked into their chips. If you want to go beyond the CoCom limits, you'd have to redesign the silicon, or at least reprogram the firmware without the manufacturer's support. That's not easy -- it's several years of work.' << lol
mircea_popescu: (jungle expedition consists of this person at the front doing a sideways circular motion with the machete to cut through all the gunk that grows everywhere. the men rotate at the front because it's hard fucking work.)
mircea_popescu: not full speed, they manage an incredible coupla miles an hour, but still, human. i count for a 14yo boy i guess.
phf: also they use it to hack trees for kindling, etc. i tried using the knives for that purpose during camping, couldn't do much damage either. i suspect, yes, there's a tricky technique to it.
mircea_popescu: phf it's all because of mommentum. counter-military blow, the blade decelerates just as it hits somehiw. i can't do it either.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem of steel is not altogether a trivial matter of material science. nor is hand forging the universal solution. gotta make the steel for the purpose, as it were.
phf: yes, and since you reminded, i retract the unskilled part. i tried recreating the move, nearly hacked my hand off a few times, but not much damage to the coconut
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "which they suppose will resort from their latest" << resort dun work that way. << ty fxd
phf: but then i bought a handful of hand forged (non-artisanal, but for cutting coconuts and other such low skilled labor) knives in india. easily outperforms all the junk i had at home, apart from solingen cooking knives
asciilifeform: ah then neato.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe or not, there are ok cn knives
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally : the pineapple hacking device is this chinese blade i bought on a lark. turns out it's the best steel i own / have seen in a long while.
asciilifeform: ( is it connected to the map widget proggy? now this i have nfi )
mircea_popescu: a really ? alright then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty sure ipnoje ships with these
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform an amusing novelty might be a glonass/gps receiver, with a large "has WW3 started ?" sign to go off once it receives neither/.
mircea_popescu: now compare to "the upper class" bed.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-02 02:06 mircea_popescu: and speaking of the "новые высоты прогресса и цивилизации", it can't quite escape one's notice that EVERY SINGLE FEMALE of reproductive age without exception lives in this thing where the bed is always within physical reach.
asciilifeform: 'The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) rules require licensing of non-federal receive-only equipment operating with foreign satellite systems...'
asciilifeform: phf: i tried to find the usglulz re gps speed limit, did not yet find, but found other similar wtf, e.g. http://www.gps.gov/spectrum/foreign/
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "which they suppose will resort from their latest" << resort dun work that way.
mircea_popescu: 16k lines in five weeks ? how the hell does anyone even keep up with this thing.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: i am also suspicious of the 1 max 5 common best fix.
mircea_popescu: "The TCVCXO is good; but not quite up to GPS standard when operating un-boxed in windy locations. Blowing on it displaces the 10.000000 MHz crystal oscillator by around 1 part in 10 million or 1 Hz, which is magnified 150 times by the synthesizer PLL. This is enough to momentarily unlock the satellite tracking loops, if done suddenly."
asciilifeform: i suppose if you're found gpsing with one it'll be like the d00dz found with kalash where they drilled the extra hole.
asciilifeform: phf: the gnuradio sdr thing (receives AND SENDS!11) is also theoretically banned, but still sold ( 3 or so hundy iirc )
phf: that fpga receiver is also technically an illegal device. i don't know if that's in the same article, but consumer gps is supposed to cut off signal when traveling above certain speeds or certain altitudes (i don't remember the specifics though)
mircea_popescu: "Mixing with the same code in the correct phase de-spreads the wanted signal and further spreads everything else." << if this isn't technology i dunno what is.
mircea_popescu: actually great article, re the whole "extract signal from below thermal noise floor" thing.
phf: no, he linked a discrete ttl forth machine by the same guy
mircea_popescu: and since we're talking of fruit and here, let's take a detour into pina colada. the way to say ass in a sexy-friendly way is cola, which is why the sort of jeans that put out the girl's ass are called levantacola. so now... pina colada should thereby be translated "hourglass pineapple".
mircea_popescu: oh also : let it be said that there are few luxuries more luxurious than this thing whereby you point out the window, "see? that one!" and half hourish later you're hacking up the very fruit in question. they do make iiiiincredible fucking pineapples here.
mircea_popescu: the finer points of forum scheduling still elude me. but nevertheless -- let it be said each dog wil lget his day in the sun and nothing will remain buried in the logs, forgotten. so.
mircea_popescu: phf sorry about that. in retrospect i picked the worst choice, not even on the menu. should have just made a short hi and then decided.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what to do now, continue conversation node way back, go through the logs, re-read the short range here...
asciilifeform: phf: celestial navigatron may not look as 'sexy' as a thermonuke, but it is actually in some ways equivalent in terms of strategic worth : a 10x moar accurate navigatron is worth roughly 100x the nukage! because inverse-square. think about it.
mircea_popescu: aaaand meanwhile, at the true love ranch, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a8318b4ee01e4c59952bdc8b778c82a5/tumblr_oaazx2WHu01u20dnoo1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: but, in correct terminology, it is very directly v-for-thought, and nothing else, and no more. "i thought i was writing code" "where's your press ?" "fuck. i understand now i was actually, and literally, and without remainder, just pouring sand on my dick for the novelty of the sensation, exactly like 3 yo first-time-at-black-sea does!"
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 14:25 mircea_popescu: Framedragger so if it does not make that statement, it imports, like any research paper EVER, the following "the authors have conducted a full review of extant literature relevant to their topic, and swear that the following list is complete and correct :"
mircea_popescu: recursively, this perception of mine -- and its attendant structure! -- is an example of the meaning, see also the Framedragger thread re proper referencing, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637745
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 16:03 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682555 << some time it would be interesting to read what means 'sanity' here, other than the somewhat circular 'not what the pantsuits do'
asciilifeform: ( there might be good ru material floating about, i never dug in properly, it is on the lengthy conveyor )
asciilifeform: phf: unfortunately not. the field was more or less quashed by usg.
asciilifeform: the german one, of course could not find the fixed stars by itself, had to be set before rocket is fired. but would then keep the lock.
asciilifeform: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/j.2161-4296.1947.tb01124.x/abstract << 1st public description of the nazi one
asciilifeform: phf: aka celestial navigation. earliest relevant item being the gyrosextant.
phf: it's one of the reasons i started looking in this direction. obviously gps is inadequate for wasp stack
asciilifeform: upstack and re navigation -- i'd like to see the lost art of electrical star tracking, come back
phf: i think a good exercise is to rewrite one of the existing c machine subtrates from cmucl or sbcl in ada. but left for another lifetime
phf: right, motion planning also the part that's non existent in above code, so easier to greenfield, where's avionics is there in however poor form
asciilifeform: the former is 'where do i wanna be 2 hrs from nao'
asciilifeform: the latter is the set of immediate, real-time things like 'keep machine balanced' and 'counter wind' etc
asciilifeform: ( relatedly : where is the open-source heat-seeker ?? )
phf: i won't the thing to follow some pretty simple decision algorithm: here's a gps list of viable landing spots, here's a gps list of interesting targets. given your positional knowns decide and execute a flight path that'll take the aircraft through highest number of interesting targets before landing in any one of the viable landing spots. surprisingly large number of moving parts in a situation like that
asciilifeform: i.e. the kind usg can't switch off or meacon on a whim
asciilifeform: but it is conceivable that one day i will write one of even these, also.
phf: well, if you can write me an avionics code that will do all the things (figure out the position of aircraft in space, both on micro i.e. in relation to earth's surface and macro i.e. gps levels, knows how to adjust that position both in normal operational and critical situations, etc. etc.) then i won't have to study existing ones either
asciilifeform: there is no, for instance, useful reason to read gmp ( unless you're van-ecking gpg users, in which case you gotta )
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 16:04 asciilifeform: this is the funny bit : i learned by studying from horrifying cruftsmen
asciilifeform: trying to learn something by reading shithubolade ( and yes i'm quite aware that there simply ain't much else in public ) is rather like trying to learn to be a fine french chef by studying shit going out the pipe of the toilet in famous restaurant
asciilifeform: the other thing, phf, is that not so many things ACTUALLY call for 'many moving parts'.
asciilifeform: ( i left the thing in a half-limbo when picking up 'p' to finish, but expect to get back to it before the summer's through )
asciilifeform: phf: if you want example with moar moving parts, the nqb snippets are probably closer
asciilifeform: ( consider the observation: if martians dropped in front of your house a 8192-bit cpu, you could set Word => 8192 and ... all of the loops disappear.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 16:14 phf: but ffa also doesn't have that many moving parts. it's a single stack mathematical code that mostly operates on same, uniform memory regions. so my original issue was that there's no enough quality code, certainly plenty of shit code, which is not quite the case in common lisp world
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682578 << that was sorta the whole point. the traditional bignumtrons drove me batshit with their insistence on 'limbs' etc. i.e. nonuniform, heapy memory
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( if you were switching on a genuine 51%tron, would you announce it in advance ?! ) << It's the one where they talk derps into client that forks by rejecting mined blocks
phf: but ffa also doesn't have that many moving parts. it's a single stack mathematical code that mostly operates on same, uniform memory regions. so my original issue was that there's no enough quality code, certainly plenty of shit code, which is not quite the case in common lisp world
phf: i thought that proper classical education is all about learning how to discriminate? i mean western art has this value of "this guy is good, but not quite. this other guy is as good as this first guy, and he also has that not quite covered. he's the true master"
trinque: most important bits probably in youth, i.e. beatings for the hint of lying shitbag.
asciilifeform: but i am not currently sure whether this is teachable.
asciilifeform: and realizing that they are the reason why $subj ( for various values of $subj ) appears not to make sense.
asciilifeform: this is the funny bit : i learned by studying from horrifying cruftsmen
phf: you improve your craft by studying from master craftsmen. if you've studied too long in from poor craftsmen, never developed the skill to discriminate, etc. then of course you're going to be poor craftsman yourself (and possibly unteachable)
asciilifeform: phf: i'ma try again. for past few yrs i collected various maculature re 'bignum arithmetic', etc. and it all turned out to be rubbish, it is going to the flea market. because was made by people who did not consider the essentials.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682555 << some time it would be interesting to read what means 'sanity' here, other than the somewhat circular 'not what the pantsuits do'
phf: i don't understand the points that you're both trying to make
mircea_popescu: no, it's why i gave up on the notion. djb is too old to be worth it, just like 35yo woman caught in wild.
mircea_popescu: you know the joke about the ny plumber who has a price for fixing a faucet that broke, and a different one for fixing a faucet you tried to fix ?
phf: you gotta study to get to the point where "it's a simple matter of". that's the kind of insight that reading ffa can give you
mircea_popescu: who aren't nearly as well selected or invested into their own mental life.
asciilifeform: phf: do you recall the ( now defunct ? and i forget where it was... ) www where folx made fun of 'india code', with the folx who never heard of a for() loop etc
mircea_popescu: which is how you get talented souls who evidently put time into it, like say djb, or like say blum, being dumber than the l2.
mircea_popescu: and if he went to an establishment supported by pantsuit money and dedicated to the encouragement of shit sloshing, he could spend any amount of time and effort NOT IMPROVING
phf: well, then wtf
mircea_popescu: this is because he actually lacks the capacity to discern thought from the dumb shit he's doing ; not because he's not thinking enough.
mircea_popescu: he thinks, in the portable latrine he carries above his shoulders, that such nonsense is the result of a thought process, that he's thinking, you know, at me and etcetera.
mircea_popescu: this is seen ALL THE FUCKING TIME with randos walking in here, under the hallucinatory impression that they have minds. a fine recent example being http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672449
asciilifeform: the hypothetical 'complete idiot' has the problem of 'buluceala' in his head. not 'not enough thought'
mircea_popescu: phf i'll propose to you that the problem is too much over"thinking". the idea is to get the idiot stop doing what he thinks is thinking.
phf: asciilifeform: that's silly. it took you many years to arrive to the point where you even understand what "stop overthinking" is, or how to manifest it in code and still provide the solution. i problem is in too much thinking, then you could get a complete idiot to write ffa.
mircea_popescu: and so you hear the better hos going "or else what ? whatcha gonna do, bitch ?" to their mother on occasion, and know you've struck gold.
mircea_popescu: there is a reason for this.
mircea_popescu: kids about the age of i dunno, 15 or so if they're really late with the brain development discover ourdemocracy spawned parents can never threaten.
mircea_popescu: if a guy who looks like bill de blasio profers it, the whine can never be a threat. that's part of the definition of threat, there';s a tail in there going "and it was not said by anything like http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/de-failsio.jpg "
mircea_popescu: no, not really. fud is closer to the tmsrt notion of army in being than to the ustard notion of stupid males with cunts whining.
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking pile of fail consists of the vague hope someone may be dumb enough to take a barking caterpillar for a dog.
mircea_popescu: the tikrit fucking offensive. if you actually had the means to do an embargo on russia, would you announce it in advance ? if you had the actual men and materiel to take as much as an ozarks farm, would you announce it in advance ? etfc.
asciilifeform: phf: the 'insight' in ffa is simply the kind that was taught to the prussian soldiers -- 'stop overthinking'
a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 18:24 mircea_popescu: no, let's also de-equivocate think. there's two kinds of think, one's a forge/reflow/examination of trees resulting in analytical consumption of inputs with actionable outputs guaranteed ; the other is a neurotic behaviour perhaps best described as spinning, whereby specific emotional triggers / detriggers are visited in succession. the prussian model was never concerned with the former in any sense, but merely aimed to elimi
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682351 << dude... ustards. did they ever do anything ? other than blather, did they ? http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-02#1038618 ? never happened ?
phf: there's plenty of insight in ffa
phf: just because socialists stole the terminology, doesn't mean that words somehow lost their meaning
asciilifeform: there ain't much of it in, e.g., ffa
phf: nah, potato programming doesn't contain any sort of insight. the quality is a bit higher, once you're done wrestling with the compiler, but it takes experience, intelligence and taste to come out on the other end.
asciilifeform: phf: contrary to appearances, asciilifeform is not fixated on ada lang per se, but rather on the style of thinking it leads the operator into.