mircea_popescu: those were the best times.
mircea_popescu: i'll tell you something else : it lasted a lot longer in ro. cca 2004. and in that half decade, we burned and permanently affixed to inside of architecture A LOT of those same ugly faces that were all "oh, it went away in russia, only matter of time". if you've seen miller's crossing (you should) the stereotypical objectionable faggot's desperation at the end (but there's no angle!! look into your heart!!!) is very much descr
asciilifeform: ( he dun need a vicarious smell of the '90s, for instance, he lived'em )
a111: Logged on 2017-07-21 01:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687945 << the problem is that the russian intellectual pose is very irritating to me. the whole fucking text exists so that the author can "roll his eyes" however you say that in russian, aka to bake in somehow unobservedly the proposition the speaker and all those like him aren't horse's asses. it doesn't amuse me in 16yo usian chicks ; let alone in 36 yo russian doods.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1687972 << this is utterly and completely so, and is the reason i was never able to stomach most of p's worx. but a few of them i found entertaining for somewhat perverse thematic reason that i would not expect, elg
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687838 << riddle me this. when $nobody pops in and asks a question, do you answer on the basis of the present (ie, the question wasn't fucktarded) or do you answer on the basis of some sort of judgement that the dude behind the nick is going to i dunno, stick around and then lend you a pack of ciggs in april 2021 ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sad thing is, these weren't the honestly, organically retarded, but the mendacious and complicit sort
mircea_popescu: (and yes, before you ask, this DOES work. to the sort of derp discussed above, the one with "options" he hallucinated)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the faux news copy depts are in the business of "thinking" carbonated sugar is EXCITING
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the idjit av 'press' did
mircea_popescu: i dunno who holds the notion it isn't ? afaik ~consensus, boring.
asciilifeform: but could count these on 1 hand fingers
asciilifeform: interestingly, when asciilifeform worked as a pro collector and reverser of virii - found, to great sadness, that the 'art' mostly died.
mircea_popescu: sanity is only a novel item to the sort of people who autosnap to random nonsense. no, it's not novel, it's sanity.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're already doing it, neh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so let folks do it for whatever reason they do it.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> gotta wonder what was the thought process. 'i'ma pay for dope with shitpal just this ONCE' ?? << Nah, he wanted to be Alpha and bought GOLD MEMBERSHIP to forum linked to Return of Kinks
mircea_popescu: nothing else has any bearing on it. if the computer you own happens to be a laptop and it happens to be the third week thieves broke into your car and stole your laptop, this makes absolutely no difference re "own computer--clean and install". you might park your car some other place, but you won't change what's done to owned computer.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am thinking of exactly what i said, no more, not less. if you own a computer you wipe the crap and install workable software on it.
asciilifeform: i'm still waiting for the new bit
mircea_popescu: there's a limit to this "understanding new ideas through the old forms of experience". that limit is, when the new idea parts start getting procusted.
asciilifeform: thinking moar of '90s 'format his hdd' then?
mircea_popescu: nobody gives a shit about the persistence of bullcrap.
asciilifeform: and their sport
asciilifeform: what's it then
mircea_popescu: im not sure i'm either.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-21 01:22 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687915 << the problem with these "distinctions" is that they propose to import ntp in to "work". im not about to drag that into codebase, and i dont' care for "working" so defined.
mircea_popescu: for the people who hallucinate choice where there is no space for them to choose, a usg will always be found somewhere.
mircea_popescu: and so now all of 'em got exactly what they were asking for. no more "evil banana republic" and their sense of "superior detachment' unhindered. they can roll their eyes all they want ; and it's not just the last but also the only thing to do.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 20:07 mircea_popescu: this is observably true, in history : the proposition that "it's a great idea to live above your means" was the proximate cause of "french revolution" and every other socialist attack on money hence
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 20:06 mircea_popescu: the proposition that we'd end up with a sort of uci-as-nsa and l1-as-subtstitute-for-dnc is very much the proposition that, "you know what ? inca also corrupts"
mircea_popescu: this is how http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687683 / http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687686 exactly works : footsoldier element of chickfield equivalent feels, see that, FEELS in his fulla-shit guts not merely that he is BETTER THAN such employment, but that he can... SEPARATE himself from the system. and in that bloody crevice of placenta abrupta the blessings of socialism fungate.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1687960 << hey, smartass dood too busy importantly nosebreathing about "how he doesn't like manele" / "evil banana republic" instead of queuing up in the recruitment strip clubs.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 23:57 phf: hah, nah, i'm more of petka from chapayev i pustota. i spent the 90s with amateur esotericists. i didn't actually get to play the businessman, so didn't acquire any of these skills
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 01:28 mircea_popescu: aaaahahahaha o brother. "postmodern film/video theory & crit with an emphasis on phenomenology" ? reheheheally.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 23:52 phf: ahaha, http://www.jstor.org.sci-hub.cc/stable/23349218?seq=3#page_scan_tab_contents "THE MONSTROUS AGGREGATE OF THE SOCIAL: TOWARD BIOPOLITICS IN VICTOR PELEVIN'S WORK", haven't read but third page has a section titled "Biopolitics in Foucault"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687947 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687072 and no, the similarities do not stop there.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687945 << the problem is that the russian intellectual pose is very irritating to me. the whole fucking text exists so that the author can "roll his eyes" however you say that in russian, aka to bake in somehow unobservedly the proposition the speaker and all those like him aren't horse's asses. it doesn't amuse me in 16yo usian chicks ; let alone in 36 yo russian doods.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 23:36 asciilifeform: other thing is, even if you don't want for anything the 'milk' (cpu cycles etc) of pwned derp, and simply going for max materiel damage, formatting hdd is not necessarily the max
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687915 << the problem with these "distinctions" is that they propose to import ntp in to "work". im not about to drag that into codebase, and i dont' care for "working" so defined.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 23:16 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687889 << ben_vulpes ponder the sheer hilarity of the 'they revoked key based on faux signature!11' by same derp who heckled the 'peter anvin' key affair
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 23:13 ben_vulpes is regularly surprised at the thickness of derp found in the 'security community'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687890 << "they just mean well". if they could get the honest social signal / justthefacs!!! already ploxty.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687884 << i had my life's ethers invested in paypalcoin please help.
phf: by the time i started figuring out the socioeconomic part of the question it was a year too late (they started tightening the screws some time before putin came to power, which was not so much the beginning but the announcement of the done deal. i remember '99 the situation of a lot of people changed drastically.)
asciilifeform: ''And what will it do for me?' 'You'll see soon enough,' replied Gireiev. 'You'll be drying them for winter yourself.''
asciilifeform: well specifically the mushroom d00d
phf: hah, nah, i'm more of petka from chapayev i pustota. i spent the 90s with amateur esotericists. i didn't actually get to play the businessman, so didn't acquire any of these skills
asciilifeform: hether there was any likelihood of being passed a false banknote and whether he could pass on a false note himself. There was no definite system involved in all this. Sometimes a fist like a hairy water-melon would appear in the little window, but it was obvious that Tatarsky could quite safely send its owner to hell and beyond. Then sometimes Tatarsky's heart would skip a beat in fright at the sight of a slim female hand
asciilifeform: 'While he was working in the kiosk (it went on for a little less than a year), Tatarsky acquired two new qualities. The first was a cynicism as boundless as the view from the Ostankino television tower; the second was something quite remarkable and inexplicable. Tatarsky only had to glance at a customer's hands to know whether he could short-change him and by exactly how much, whether he could be insulting to him, w
asciilifeform: i'll confess that i always pictured phf as literally the hero from 'generationp'
phf: ahaha, http://www.jstor.org.sci-hub.cc/stable/23349218?seq=3#page_scan_tab_contents "THE MONSTROUS AGGREGATE OF THE SOCIAL: TOWARD BIOPOLITICS IN VICTOR PELEVIN'S WORK", haven't read but third page has a section titled "Biopolitics in Foucault"
phf: that, and subtitled Brat is pretty much all you need to understand moscow in the 90s :p
asciilifeform: to which fascism had led the nation, with the former Kom-mandant of Auschwitz heading the Commission for the Detention of Nazi Criminals, and SS generals explaining in clear and simple words the importance of liberal values, while the whole cabal was led by the newly enlightened Gauleiter of Eastern Prussia. Tatarsky, of course, hated most of the manifestations of Soviet power, but he still couldn't understand w
asciilifeform: ' Meanwhile the television was still showing the same old repulsive physiognomies that had been sickening the viewers for the last twenty years. Now they were saying exactly the same things they used to jail other people for, except that they were far bolder, far more decisive and radical. Tatarsky often found himself imagining Germany in 1946, with Doktor Goebbels shrieking hysterically on the radio about the abyss in
asciilifeform: would like to find the one of 'numbers' tho.
asciilifeform: 'The USSR, which they'd begun to renovate and improve at about the time when Tatarsky decided to change his profession, improved so much that it ceased to exist (if a state is capable of entering nirvana, that's what must have happened in this case)...'
asciilifeform: ( and iirc the result was not wholly barfalicious, even )
asciilifeform: there is, some brit translated
phf: is there an eng version?
asciilifeform: of the translation, i mean
phf: asciilifeform: i was thinking the one числа (or perhaps it's called мощь великого?), that was re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687868 and the general discussion of "acting from gut"
asciilifeform: other thing is, even if you don't want for anything the 'milk' (cpu cycles etc) of pwned derp, and simply going for max materiel damage, formatting hdd is not necessarily the max
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 22:06 mircea_popescu: "do i own this box, yes/no" "if yes, why is there crap on it / if no why am i futzing with it".
asciilifeform: gotta wonder what was the thought process. 'i'ma pay for dope with shitpal just this ONCE' ??
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 22:15 shinohai: " Public court filings revealed by the US Federal Government show that his use of Paypal in paying for a gold membership was helpful to the government in identifying his true identity."
asciilifeform: ' the oracle in my arse told me to do it, and fuckoff.jpg '
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: review, http://trilema.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored , http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations , http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't actually recall his role in the anvin affair
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 23:12 ben_vulpes: in other boeckisms: https://blog.hboeck.de/archives/888-How-I-tricked-Symantec-with-a-Fake-Private-Key.html
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687889 << ben_vulpes ponder the sheer hilarity of the 'they revoked key based on faux signature!11' by same derp who heckled the 'peter anvin' key affair
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 22:19 pete_dushenski: of course there are proportions at play, no one is 100% any one thing, but mp is at least 3/4 gut, stan at least 3/4 head, thus the 'how can you just do?' question
ben_vulpes: in other boeckisms: https://blog.hboeck.de/archives/888-How-I-tricked-Symantec-with-a-Fake-Private-Key.html
pete_dushenski: "Caskets can cost thousands of dollars to buy, and are even being sold in some major supermarket chains. But at the Coffin Club, members only need to supply their own materials. Russell Game is a club mentor but he is also making a coffin for himself. "It's so much cheaper than buying a coffin," he said."
pete_dushenski: of course there are proportions at play, no one is 100% any one thing, but mp is at least 3/4 gut, stan at least 3/4 head, thus the 'how can you just do?' question
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687858 << simplistic, almost shamanistic though it is, there is perhaps useful trichotomy of heart-heart-gut, being three possible answers for "why" a given person does a given thing. heart because of how it makes her feel and how it makes the people around her feel ; head because it's cerebrally satisfying ; gut because gotta get the fucking show on the road already here.
shinohai: " Public court filings revealed by the US Federal Government show that his use of Paypal in paying for a gold membership was helpful to the government in identifying his true identity."
mircea_popescu: "do i own this box, yes/no" "if yes, why is there crap on it / if no why am i futzing with it".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not thinking at all ; but in any case : when there IS a fine oracle, why bother with more.
asciilifeform: i'll add that thinking per se dun have to make you predictable from game theoretical pov , the other major trap
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> middling. why ? << Only middling when you play for the sport of it. IRL you decapitate opponent's king with bolt cutters and dare them to object
asciilifeform: though it is arduous, and i'd rather get oracle installed, somebody gotta say to me where .
mircea_popescu: dumbfounding shitnonsense is this anyway. i do the things i do because they ARE! the right things to do. present fucking tense. not because i'm hopping such and such a tomorrow as'll make them retrospectively the right things. wtf is even this, inflatothink.
diana_coman: used the pointers given by ave1 really
asciilifeform: rather than screwing with software etc
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 20:56 diana_coman: neah, it says it can't even see it then; will try another time with the adacore 4.9
asciilifeform: d00d who 'dun care what tomorrow' stays on the cocaine yacht.
mircea_popescu: on the basis of previous things.
asciilifeform: and yet you do some things and not others.
mircea_popescu: yes. if... i own... a box... i ~~~therefore~~~ remove... the crap on it. and then, install, non crap on it.
mircea_popescu: this is the point. i'm neither the left pepsi can nor the right pepsi can and you're neither invited or allowed to choose me.
asciilifeform: if you're doing it, there is some logic.
asciilifeform: so if you're maximizing him for wool, gotta do one thing, if for meat -- other
mircea_popescu: there is no such distinction. if you own, whether because your wife brought you it and said "here, this is your daugther" or because gf brought home "here, this is new fucktoy".
trinque: because they don't own it, nsa does
asciilifeform: and 'their' iron
asciilifeform: i thought thread was re hypothetical infected idjits
mircea_popescu: if i own, then.
mircea_popescu: but... if i own a box... therefore... i check and remove... crap.. and then... instal... sanity.
trinque: whaat, isn't the whole thing here push-loading sanity?
asciilifeform: the utter futility of push-loading sanity.
mircea_popescu: i own a box. this box has crap on it. therefore... i ... delete the crap. and put something sane on./
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 20:34 mircea_popescu: the russians have no planes without the israeli bits. which means in point of fact that yes, the israelis have a fighter jet. and the best kind there can be had, also -- another's wife.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687731 << if so, this does not bode well for ru planes if they ever face il
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 20:28 mircea_popescu: the airtightness is more important than just plopping a split unit on the livingroom wall.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687721 << this is absolutely so. asciilifeform has a large ac in the work shed and it does ~0 -- because poor seals.
asciilifeform: ( these are creatures whose entire existence sits on a hallucinated pillar of 'choice' etc )
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 20:12 mircea_popescu: now -- whether windowshead wants to or doesn't want to participate is entirely irrelevant. he can destroy the machine, or keep bringing in to his dumbship for "repairs" or whatever flailing. what of it.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687704 << my contention was that trying to, e.g., 'solve 1024 chickens problem' is wasted effort in this case, just format their hdd and call it a day
asciilifeform: then herding, even temporarily -- is +ev
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/07/black-man-paroled-the-juice-is-once-again-loose/ << Qntra - Black Man Paroled: The Juice Is Once Again Loose
mircea_popescu: obviously no slavegirl is free ranged pantsuit. so in this sense -- they all die, yes.
mircea_popescu: where is the dichotomy ?
mircea_popescu: i still don't follow this. so : there's a chickfield. upon this chickfield you run a transform. it results in either all of them dying or some useful slavegirls surviving.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 19:40 asciilifeform: because there is not yet any known way to compensate the possibility of deliberate misanswer in the calculation.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687636 << how long it takes is not really the point. i DID in fact verify that candi_lustt was not http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687580
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 20:13 mircea_popescu: but as to the practical knot - i dun wanna squeeze idiots for anything. to begin with, the very definition of idiocy assures me they have nothing i want.
asciilifeform slowly re-eats the l0gz
pete_dushenski: i got a kick out of the 'we are mp because we can haz podcast, bow hethens!!1' schtick
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 19:22 asciilifeform: and ergo net would have to be deployed in massive burst, whereby yesterday there were 0 S, but today 9000.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687493 << there is certainly a "minimum safe count". the issue is that just like with bitcoin -- the actual count increases as the item grows. so "waiting to polish it moar" not necessarily winning strategy. then again, too early not winning strategy either.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ~everyone there's sick of the "rich" arab nations as of crab apples. << Poor crab apples, many are enslaved as the plumbing that allows fruiting apples to live. This is a rich metaphor space.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687404 << do either of you have the packet involved ?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 18:08 trinque: right, so usg crumbles, erdrogan or whoever throws a big neo-caliphate party, invites everyone to go israel-stomping. russia and china collectivey "meh" and lol at the US losing a colony
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687258 << absolutely not. if usg fell into the sea tomorrow, turkey would ally with israel and probably iran against the rest of the weirdos. and they'd throw such an arab peninsula rape party as the world's never seen.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687247 << they didn't work. but yes, early 90s you could buy su nuke parts on black market.
shinohai: It's new BingoBoingo, the Turd Transport Protocol (tm)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687243 << the framing is so lulzy. really, "unable to buy us junk", that's the lead ? cuz they totally would have bought if ... they could... get it for free ? and under no other circumstances ? awww.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> as it stands currently, the russians will have the last jet much like the germans have the last car. << But as we learned from pete_dushenski,sometimes the lawnmower's more fun
mircea_popescu: but in more practical terms, apparently "teh terrorists" actually took over a country on the quiet.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the "UAE demands to Qatar" redo of WW1-era "serbian ultimatum" is ... still ongoing!! now with revisions and etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 17:57 pete_dushenski: in other rough regions, the usg 'left' is still confuzed as fuck http://archive.is/X9fwz
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 17:53 trinque: was this true in the last such war?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687242 << kinda, yeah. and before that, french materiel they ~didn't know how to use either.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 17:49 pete_dushenski: for whatever 'cybermilitary' is worth, i'd pit .il against any other
mircea_popescu: as it stands currently, the russians will have the last jet much like the germans have the last car.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 17:49 asciilifeform: nobody cancelled the jet.
mircea_popescu: (the event also set us policy -- the reason they moved to tomahawk-from-boat rather than the 1990s-style iraq sorties is that us airforce could not actually stand up to ro airforce if it came to dogfight, which is more ridiculous than it stands.)
mircea_popescu: the russians have no planes without the israeli bits. which means in point of fact that yes, the israelis have a fighter jet. and the best kind there can be had, also -- another's wife.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 17:48 asciilifeform: afaik they still dun have a, e.g., self-made fighter jet.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687227 << the irony of it is that they stealthy do! when the romanians wiped the us ariforce out of the skies during that lulz exercise, what did it other than the pilots was the recently deployed israeli electronic upgrade.
mircea_popescu: tell you what, "eh fuck this shit" is how i ended up with millions in deployed capital, the roi of which was above par overall (not counting any subjectives).
pete_dushenski: well aren't we just the a/c salesmen. well goddamit if i call him right now to install it's of my own volition!!1
pete_dushenski: airtightness is pretty much a given in these parts, in my 60s house or 50s office maybe a bit less but certainly in newer builds
mircea_popescu: but anyway, yes, 5k in deductible payment that improves property is way the fuck better than aerosol induced astma, which is something that does happen, and which is something that can readily cost 10x that over a miserable lifetime.
mircea_popescu: the airtightness is more important than just plopping a split unit on the livingroom wall.
pete_dushenski: just got quote for a/c at house actually : $5k (~1.4btc). not terribru and better than coughing myself awake in the middle of the night ?
mircea_popescu: you have a water plant in the basement, and it should be right next to the airplant.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 17:27 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: modern-day .il is a parasitic rider on usg -- and not merely in the well-known 'free money' sense, but also in that the ~only exports are 'intellectual property' racket, which rides on usg's patent enforcement shakedown
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687201 << this is rather not true. israel is up there with romania and the technological greats in "valuable subassembly production".
pete_dushenski: bc is ~800km away, which is where the wildfires are. alberta is just downwind. there are basically just circulation fans on the rooves. and windows! glorious operable windows that do oh so little to keep out pm
mircea_popescu has in time become very partial to the solution for northern climes. "just pretend house is mfg plant, and that's why there must be a thick dong suspended under roof."
mircea_popescu: what do they even do in bc, central air ? or ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: well, no 'ac' per se at either home or bureau.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 17:09 pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: blackzilla is enjoying the seasonal weather more than i'm enjoying the seasonal smoke. being downwind of the massive bc fires isn't doing wonders for the ol' respiratory tract. (waking up coughing, etc.) . needless to say i've a newfound appreciation for the sorry denizens of chinese mega-cities. it's one of those "you never know what you've got until it's gone" (tm) things
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687166 << ac has filters neh ? or not really cold enough up there to have airtight house
mircea_popescu: but as to the practical knot - i dun wanna squeeze idiots for anything. to begin with, the very definition of idiocy assures me they have nothing i want.
mircea_popescu: now -- whether windowshead wants to or doesn't want to participate is entirely irrelevant. he can destroy the machine, or keep bringing in to his dumbship for "repairs" or whatever flailing. what of it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i do not want anything in particular ; but i do observe and therefore declare that as water flows to lower ground and as good money pushes out the bad so too better computers own shittier computers and there's jack shit me or you or them or anyone can do about this.
asciilifeform: as i see it the 2 are disjoint
asciilifeform: the practical knot is -- do you wanna squeeze the winblowz idiots for max cpu cycle and storage space times electric current -- or to convert'em to tmsr participants ( do most have even the elementary neural makings of one ? why to suddenly think this ? )
mircea_popescu: anyway, but the tendency is there, your mind is "oh, mircea_popescu os". except i've no intention to mircea_popescu os anyone as such.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well in principle the problem is, nothing tmsr does can possibly be anything but straight weapon of "us against them". it is a terrorist organisation after all.
mircea_popescu: including the silver money lobby in us and so on.
asciilifeform: rather than eulora-like closes planet
mircea_popescu: this is observably true, in history : the proposition that "it's a great idea to live above your means" was the proximate cause of "french revolution" and every other socialist attack on money hence
mircea_popescu: the proposition that we'd end up with a sort of uci-as-nsa and l1-as-subtstitute-for-dnc is very much the proposition that, "you know what ? inca also corrupts"
asciilifeform: could describe both as having run an ill-conceived winblowz, originally, that bsoded in the end in the same way
mircea_popescu: and this is my point here : yes, bitcoin corrupts. i mean specific things by this term of art, they're in the logs.
mircea_popescu: well, at time t they each purport to run a software. at time t1, they observably both run the same software. some patching went on. who ?
mircea_popescu: maybe he finally marries. girl does a little bit of wearing push up bras for a year or so... and then for the rest of their natural lives they tvkids.
mircea_popescu: has she been corrupted ? perhaps. maybe, if she is turned from the "normal direction" of cooking-kids-tv into being an out and out slut, she has been corrupted.
mircea_popescu: so, suppose a greatly respected dom dood hangs out by the highschool, and soft talks a girl studying there into coming along to the bdsm club.
mircea_popescu: so then, let's examine corruption.
mircea_popescu: women find themselves caught up in the usual sad position their lot ends caught up in : they're stuck bridging reality and male nonsense.
mircea_popescu: it is also the sad truth of biology that almost none actually are.
mircea_popescu: ok. now, it is the oft unspoken but nevertheless common self flattery of all males that they are "doms" or "masters" whatever.
mircea_popescu: we on the page so far ?
mircea_popescu: so : there obviously is such a thing as "mainstream society". people meet, get married, have kids watch tv whatever. there ALSO is such a thing as "a bdsm community".
trinque: the imaginary observer before whom the whole UCI topology sits, with equal results for all-comers
mircea_popescu: and who the fuck is corrupting who here!
mircea_popescu: that's why the original lordship discussion says "it's not an argument that these are the best, we don't care who's the best. these -- are."
mircea_popescu: yes, because you have in your head a rigid model of a specific thing. but you see, l1 is not defined afore the fact. l1 is WHAT EMERGES from this process, whatever it may be.
asciilifeform: it was how i read the original trilema article re subj
asciilifeform: trinque: approx, but with 'l1 key holders' rather than inca
trinque: so I'll pay them to do more
trinque: rather than here I sit, I paid some nodes to do work, turned out the output was useful to me
mircea_popescu: there is NO difference.
mircea_popescu: if i ask the owner of machine A to write me a bubblesort or write abada on his tits or whatever ?
mircea_popescu: what, that they happened over freenode rather than over gossipd ? that the latter is "not properly uci" ?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-15 15:16 mircea_popescu: aaand in other news, who wants to wire 2.5k for me ?
mircea_popescu: and while we ponder this : what is the difference in your estimation between http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-15#1670731 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598150 ?
asciilifeform: this is a mega-problem -- an entire field went to the grave because it was not able to solve it.
asciilifeform: (i.e., on what do you compute, such that only MOST mutations are lethal, rather than ALL )
asciilifeform: think of it as the ~opposite~ problem to mircea_popescu's hash func.
asciilifeform: ( even if nn is used today -- it is in fact used very sparingly, and in combination with other algos , rather than as universal engine as originally envisioned )
asciilifeform: describe a model of computation that is 1) usefully complete -- can carry out actual work 2) is substantially non-brittle - i.e. flipping 20% of the bits results in something that is only, say, 20% away from, but still recognizable as the original performer, rather than liquishit
asciilifeform: fwiw cured me of 'this great unsolved problem is merely a small misconception everyone in the field merely happened to suffer from'
asciilifeform: brittleness is in fact the reason why nobody's made 'evolved' code do much of ~anything interesting to date
mircea_popescu: there's less optionality in nature. if you need a GABA, you will use... GABA. that's it. most software problems of comparable complexity allow multiple solutions.
mircea_popescu: (by spaces i mean spaces of possibilities, you can write any succession of letters but can't make any molecule you need work the way you'd expect)
mircea_popescu: there is major difference between competition in software and competition in (any kind of) hardware. very narrow protein spaces in biofilms.
asciilifeform: or the evolution of 'hiv2' etc
asciilifeform: this is reminiscent of the old virulence debate re ebola etc - 'why are there not moar ebolas'
mircea_popescu: windows will either compete with tmsr or go away. if it competes -- it becomes. if it goes away -- it becomes. there is no choice and there is no will.
mircea_popescu: will doesn't enter into it one way or another.
asciilifeform: so - willingly crafted boxes, then
mircea_popescu: back to the topic : the idea is to have properly arranged owned boxes. this will include gossipd as a basis, uci on top of that if the OWNer opts to, bitcoind on top of that likely, a devenv, whatever.
asciilifeform: that was my argument against the entire uci thing, recall
mircea_popescu: why the fuyck competer in "gui" when you can just compete in holes and either bury the stubborn or else watch windows turn into very much tmsr kicking and screaming ?
asciilifeform: 1990s virii folx had the right idea.
asciilifeform: you can achieve similar effect just by formatting their hdd, erasing whatever eraseable roms, etc
mircea_popescu: take that away, let them learn how to use a tmsr computer or do without a computer at all.
mircea_popescu: so far the ~only problem i can discern keeping cool things from long ago existing is the pretense of allowing idiots choice.
asciilifeform: because there is not yet any known way to compensate the possibility of deliberate misanswer in the calculation.
asciilifeform: but they are not.
mircea_popescu: then he'll be stuck waiting for a new hdd.
asciilifeform: and if his hdd dun fit the chain ?
mircea_popescu: for the first time in his lyf.
mircea_popescu: phf ikr ? seems the most placid obviousness to me somehow. i must be a little odd.
mircea_popescu: uci does not convey OWNership of box but permits USAGE thereof.
asciilifeform: this is an entertaining idea ( though i predict that the typical luser will run ever the moar quicker to the new hdd shop from it ) but was not in mircea_popescu's classical uci spec.
mircea_popescu: and yes, he's more than welcome to take a hammer at it / take it back to winapple shop to "have it fixed" (and it will be, and then re-fixed and so on)
asciilifeform: so 'sane os' magically containing luser's demanded toolset, is also somehow in the mix ??!
asciilifeform: where does uci pool of available cpu cycles come from then
asciilifeform: next thing - he takes it to the corner store and trades in hdd
mircea_popescu: but like i just said ? if you end up owning a machine with crap installed, what do you do ? wipe the crap, install a sane os and continue.
mircea_popescu: he can do whatever he pleases. ideally stop with the inane bullshit.
asciilifeform: why would he keep it plugged in if you formatted and installed slave-for-tmsr-os instead of all that stood there