asciilifeform: at least sov gosplan never rose to the megalomania of 'plan future of all man'
asciilifeform: '... we engage in a project to "drive while we drive": to strategically influence the main factors that will strategically influence the future.'
mircea_popescu: ie, when people who are out of shape get the fuck back in shape, it is THESE ORGANS that expand first, and most.
mircea_popescu: anyway. in my admittedly pedestrian clinical experience, it was NEVER the myokines that limit muscle mass. it's always kidney clearance, lung efficiency and liver capacity for glycogenesis in this order.
asciilifeform: either that, or 9,999 possible other 'i put an f1 engine in my trabant' failure modes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: d00d had some quite musculatured, and not otherwise mutilated ( as far as anybody could tell ) rat
mircea_popescu: soft, squishy, horns nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: sane person would have stopped there. "this risk can not be avoided ; abandon du travail"
kanzure: bad abstract parse there. it ends half-way through.
kanzure: i have the best filenames
mircea_popescu: o god with the %20s
mircea_popescu: kanzure i lean on people all the damned time, what are you talking about.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-09 00:40 asciilifeform: No one else did. Not theymos, not knighmb, not pirate, not silbert, not Jihan Wu. Not satoshi or asciilifeform.
kanzure: so just hoard a bunch of power and don't provide much signal regarding its application or likely application. is this some sort of gmaxwell-level fear of "unintentionally causing others to agree with you, by unethically signaling to them an idea that they shouldn't have had in the first place" bullshit?
mircea_popescu: actually part of republican doctrine, there's no standard policies in all sorts of shocking places.
asciilifeform: kanzure: kindergarten gametheory
kanzure: alright so the argument is that to whatever extent there's a modellable aspect, that's a failure mode and not necessarily a preference
asciilifeform: it's zeta, comes and impales your entire fucking village to make the point that NO, you can't model it.
asciilifeform: one of the aspects, imho, of serious power, is that it does not present itself in the form of an 'exam' that examgrinder derps can 'study' for an' finesse.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 18:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand this bit of GT : the knowledge of all the things you don't know thereby constructs a sybil of you.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the power driving happy club, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a533597cc4b5c9a0d8378a536f495797/tumblr_ntbr97L7LW1tr6tzco1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: funny you should mention that, there's also a discussion re rng and power in teh logs.
kanzure: you could safely argue it would look like a plot of the sha256 function against a graph, but i would also be surprised to hear that
mircea_popescu: and the bad notation makes you go into walls, as per "since it's power it must have goal"
kanzure: other than blogging :-)
mircea_popescu: there's some work in the log re creating mechanical-mp, but mostly at the lulz stage.
mircea_popescu: because the political power is a super-2 exponential on smarts, whereas cost is a logarithmic on stupidity, it's very easy to be powerful hanging out with smart people. almost as easy as it is to go bankrupt hanging out with many people.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in practical terms i am politically powerful because i've successfully protected a bunch of smart people from idiocy for years, and they have the (pewrhaps unwarranted) expectation this may continue.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 20:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1639964 << one of the (~the~ ?) advantage of tmsr work for intelligent folk is that there isn't a braindamaged/choiceless manager in the loop going "i know it's stupid but it must be done".
asciilifeform: kanzure: the alternative is amply illustrated in the logs : effort of actual people, without any trace of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640325
mircea_popescu: i was not arguing at you. we were examining your model together, and it came out unconvincing, and then we were left trying to make something of the pieces.
asciilifeform still doesn't quite grasp what the q was, that kanzure wants answerd
mircea_popescu: also funny, if not funnier : apparently nature very much favours the republican outlook. "divide teh people into two groups. blender one for the choline, vx the other."
kanzure: that's sort of rude isn't it. wouldn't it be less total noise to just answer instead of either one of us wasting our time?
kanzure: if this knowledge only enables you to feel alright about whatever cause passes your fancy for the moment then i would argue you're engaging in a lot of effort for a rather trivial outcome.
asciilifeform: by the tonne.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily enough, BchE is ~the~ preantidote. inject couplea grams, and walk right through vx.
kanzure: is "trying to figure out whether mircea_popescu is just babbling on a blog" also a "political act"?
asciilifeform: otherwise we'dve simply put mongeese through blender.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im strictly going by the above "woman will do anything you wanrt provided it is what she ewas goping to do anyway". afaik, spiders do actually make variants of it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the competition used goats. afaik eventually went broke, 0 result.
kanzure: "".. isn’t the only one working to clone a mammoth. There’s also Hwang Woo-suk’s Korean dog-cloning lab, Soaam Technologies [....] He was the one who claimed to clone human cells, but it turns out he had been forcing his students to donate their eggs, and secondly that his clone cells are fraudulent, so he’s trying to resurrect his reputation by being the first to clone ...
mircea_popescu: the why is above.
mircea_popescu: or rather : specifically how.
mircea_popescu: (speaking of which... if what you want is in the vein of yl-cholinesterase, maybe try engineering spiders ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it's in the last link, re teh HeLa. << For further reading ask Hussein Bahamas about the trechery of Big Headed Yakub.
mircea_popescu: there's no great advantage for "a flying stegosaurus with poisonous spines on every bone!!" sorta videogame items.
asciilifeform: was major problem for the biowar folx
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they also 'unlearn' as quickly as 'learned', the extra crud. it dun help'em survive in the welfarestat^H^H^H^H^Hculturevat . so they ditch it
phf: ah makes sense, for some reason i thought 3d printers went in the direction of spiroligomers, but hackerspace for which i was mocked is running a CRISPR project in their fridge so this is consistent
mircea_popescu: you can get bacteria to do anything you want them to ; provided you want them to do something they were going to do already. gotta be a metabolic leftover.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 20:30 asciilifeform: kanzure: objective was to economically make (by the kg) a (modified) butyrylcholinesterase
kanzure: "normally the left derives semantic authority from threats of mob violence/witch hunts; what does mircea_popescu have?"
kanzure: you insert the reagents at the start of the reaction, the polymerase is not a permanent component of the machine.
asciilifeform: kanzure: see the earlier thread re subj, yes
mircea_popescu: but apparently, they replaced it with some sea scum.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no i know. the problem with dna amplification with it is that (on tech i recalled) the required enzyme gets periodically destroyed.
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha wait, they switched to termophillic bacteria polymerase ?! god help us.
kanzure: asciilifeform: i rescued a silly open-source nanotech cad program from being deleted and forgotten. however, i did not fund its original development. is this the thing you're tlaing about? https://github.com/kanzure/nanoengineer
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thermocycler is just this programmable chiller/oven item. follows a curve.
asciilifeform: kanzure: the fundamental confusion is actually very similar to the one in your earlier nanotech
kanzure: anyway, the reason for "infeasibility" claims is because people try to do impossible things; there have not been infeasibility claims regarding genome synthesis or assembly.
asciilifeform: the 'warhol, choose can of coke on left or right' system atwork.
asciilifeform: shinohai: that thing exists so that beckman et al can justify their 5figs payola for ~same thing, 'looksy, them derps'
asciilifeform: when you have an expense acct from usg.academia, you not only dun give a fuq what the instrument costs -- but the option of 'use peltier' is not even on the table
asciilifeform: ^ the lulzy bit is not that it exists ( it existed 10y ago ) but that it had 0 effect on the cost of 'pro' apparatus
mircea_popescu: shit i wish we thought of this in the early days of "fpga mining".
mircea_popescu: the plywood pcr
kanzure: and then lasercut plywood because we're all hipsters and our eyes don't bleed
mircea_popescu: phf the more amusing thing here is that only last week i was wondering where the 3d printing folk went.
mircea_popescu: ahaha there's an open-pcr ?
asciilifeform: because it ain't about results, the 'field' is about spending cheap usg spendolade
asciilifeform: and afaik TO THIS DAY the 'pro' machine costs 8k
asciilifeform: i remember the first time i used a pcr thermocycler and was told 'costs 8k usd', and thought 'are you all retarded, peltier on my cpu cost 10bux'
kanzure: dna is relevant. production of synthetic dna is relevant and feasible, even if nobody promises you shakespearen genomes on day 1.
mircea_popescu: so far it's not altogether clear what specirfically you're arguing for tbh.
mircea_popescu: it's in the last link, re teh HeLa.
mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:03 kanzure: "productive results" in my book include cheap genome synthesis, the results of which are easily in reach (engineers haven't even bothered to optimize inkjet firing rate. "boo hoo it overheats and we haven't tried cooling").
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704234 << my q for kanzure -- why not do this with own hands ? what do you need the heathens for ? just do it. iirc you even have money. and hands. so. do. it.
mircea_popescu: well, actually, i'm the authority here, definitionally what i'm saying can't be babbling. you've upgraded your argument from "your intel is broken" to tmsr dun werk, it's a very dubious trek.
kanzure: oh is that the problem
phf: it is certainly because you haven't found the right pdfs
kanzure: i'm not that far yet, i'm just saying "if your superpowers are limited to writing blog posts then i'm not sure what you have to offer"
kanzure: there's signal that provides information about negative results. that's not noise.
kanzure: so if your feasibility assessment is based on the stupid shit you've heard before, then that's understandable
mircea_popescu: the noise part is sadly quite true.
kanzure: certain things are more feasible than others. and there's a lot of morons out there causing lots of noise.
mircea_popescu: kanzure i doubt there's much confusion re feasibility.
kanzure: mircea_popescu: specifically do those causes just not interest you (health, lifespan, memory, gene therapy, etc), or is there some sort of confusion about actual feasibility, or what
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 22:44 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703856 << moreover the "effects of loci" thing is rank nonsense of the level of "here's my thermometer-based debugging tool. who wants to measure cpu quadrant temperatures as software runs ???". there's no localisation in that sense.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704198 << there do exist known single-locus items. just as 'flip this byte to nop and removes the derpy copyprotection' was a thing in manmade items.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 20:29 BingoBoingo suggests sticking to the basics. P53 overexpression, Myostatin inhibition, and let the dice go on everything else
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 22:42 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, here asciilifeform i got one for you : drujba in romanian ? chainsaw. and because there was that whole 80s "ask a girl for her friendship" thingee, ... "he offered me his chainsaw".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704196 << mno. 'druzhba' (friendship) was THE sov-era chainsaw.
kanzure: "productive results" in my book include cheap genome synthesis, the results of which are easily in reach (engineers haven't even bothered to optimize inkjet firing rate. "boo hoo it overheats and we haven't tried cooling").
kanzure: she was not blessed by the noodly appendage of pre-fame wealth?
mircea_popescu: in my view it worked superbly -- it made britney spears the LAST of these "stars" build out of mob spending power.
mircea_popescu: patreon, gofundme or whatever. i forget what they're all called, angel list something.
mircea_popescu: the ~only useful point of the state at this micro level is that it leaks tax money, enough so as to support hopeless research in fields not favoured by industry.
mircea_popescu: this is an immense chasm, which will not see productive results in your lifetime. consequently the only options open to you are to either find something else to do ; or else go into welfare.
mircea_popescu: mkay. here's the problem : on one hand there's lieberman's very stern "forbidden to have course on nonsense" ; on the other hand people can't fucking help it that they're clueless on topics, and the sort of lulzy doodle nonsense sprouted by boetke is not HIS fault. that's, truthfully, how little we know of genetics.
kanzure: i should not claim to be related to the codon recoding, it's a subproject that was not proposed by me
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 20:26 kanzure: also, i am part of hgp-write (basically human genome project 2.0) one of our projects is removing 7 codons from the genome to render human biology impervious to all existing viruses.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703868 << ahahahaha this was the best line of the day.
phf: i don't think so, this is more like figuring out that something's broken in a car by the sounds that the engine is making. doesn't mean that the car's not working anymore. it seems reasonable though that causes and purposes would be the response, since that kind of eliadism is a natural counterpoint to above... that's just my impressions though
mircea_popescu: "when all the 108 men in the 40 mile line were blond, the message came that the battle was won ; but later when two of them went to eat and were replaced by guys with green eyes, the message came through that lord monmouth's daugther ran off with the circus."
mircea_popescu: consider a simple element of historical warfare, that the us army could not reproduce today : arrow messaging. now, what is the effect of forest guard locus #48 on the court getting news of battle at hartford ? toggle it to what, taller man ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 20:23 asciilifeform: and that we know jack shit re the effects of the loci UNTIL SOMEBODY TOGGLES'EM AT WILL
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703856 << moreover the "effects of loci" thing is rank nonsense of the level of "here's my thermometer-based debugging tool. who wants to measure cpu quadrant temperatures as software runs ???". there's no localisation in that sense.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, here asciilifeform i got one for you : drujba in romanian ? chainsaw. and because there was that whole 80s "ask a girl for her friendship" thingee, ... "he offered me his chainsaw".
kanzure: but i like neither yudkowsy nor kurzweil :(
phf: "intelligence" "humans are idiots" "kurzweil" "working memory" "genetics" "yudkowsky". it's funny at some point you don't even need to read the log, you can figure out the particular, previously observed failure mode of a person by keywords that stand out
trinque: *there are not* purposes.
trinque: no sort of political labeling *of reality* is going on, only labeling of a particular failure mode of the mind.
kanzure: apparently it would be invalid. but not if it's labeled a cause. that's my understanding of the feedback so far.
trinque: isn't it rather that in observing your own ignorance on a subject, you were moved to appear here?
kanzure: if things are so willy wonka in here that one cannot apply effort to directed intentional behavior then i'm not really sure how to communicate
kanzure: there are in fact things that i do not know so i figured i would go figure those things out
kanzure: well originally my purpose (that's right i said it) of bringing this up with mircea_popescu was to query his preferences regarding thermonuclear war err i mean eugenics err i mean direct participation in technology development for genome engineering projects
trinque: the fuck does effort have to do with purpose and generally speaking (and charitably) what point do you have?
kanzure: 15:10 < kanzure> i'm a little confused. i know the prepwork is really annoying and laborious in theory. perhaps he should just mean a low-effort nuke.
kanzure: 'Someone, somewhere, may well possess the secret of how to build a thermonuke using the materials of ordinary electronics.' *cough*
kanzure: i was once king of the nerdpeople http://www.seanwrona.com/typeracer/profile.php?username=kanzure
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine/#selection-959.491-969.11 << satan paying you to love him reference.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 20:19 asciilifeform: re the linked piece, i'm not satisfied with the direction of the causal arrow having been established
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703846 << fine example of the item at work. and yes it's hard, but it's mostly hard AMONG THE IDIOTs, who want to herp derp and muh consensuses.
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, perhaps the best conversational definition for discipline would be "the opposite of WSOD".
trinque: indeed. go read the "causes and purposes" thing.
kanzure: and if the behavior is not actually generating the desired results, you go do other behavior, etc.
kanzure: "and as such they're not only infinite and uncountable, but even undefined" but isn't this what calibration is for. you communicate with people because you are trying to callibrate collective goal behavior shit.
mircea_popescu: you just happened to be there when it did, that's all.
mircea_popescu: does the sun also come out for a reason ?
kanzure: well i suppose this is your topic of the moment. processing...
mircea_popescu: then you misuse the term. how could sweat correlate weakly with effort, it's like saying gasoline consumption correlates weakly with distance travelled.
mircea_popescu: this machine eats the same 200 W any mouthbreather's windows eats. just, mine isn't putting any of that towards animated paper clips.
mircea_popescu: they were fucking sweatting bullets, if that's not effort what is.
mircea_popescu: this is then what discipline is. gotta do it ~right~.
mircea_popescu: (spoiler : the idiots were trying to push the hammer. that's not how you tear down walls.)
kanzure: could be anywhere from zero to a lot of effort, if they made no progress. but they might also be idiots.
mircea_popescu: do you know how much effort they poured into it ? hours later, the wall was undented.
mircea_popescu: anyway. he'd hire student kids to do work for him. i once watched a dozen of them, try to demolish a wall with a 60kg hammer.
mircea_popescu: it was in the early days of capitalism, and well...
kanzure: intelligence or specific mutation is in the weeds; i'm still stuck trying to figure out your sense of "discipline". my approach has often been: death ray made up of delibrate effort -> problem => solution.
mircea_popescu: "memory", what's that. he got a bit of memory out of his own body through structuring the environment.
asciilifeform: it handily explains the reflex speed 'g-loadedness', for instance.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 18:32 mircea_popescu: because no, words don't "have meanings". your meanings for ANY WORD are a function of ALL THE OTHER WORDS YOU KNOW. which is why my definitions regularily blow out english dictionaries, wikipedia and other sources of "wisdom" out of the water - i know more words, and in this knowledge i know all the words i know ~better~. infinitely and irreproducibly so.
mircea_popescu: the ~only important thing is if your knowledge is structured or not ; and how. hence that older observation re dictionaries, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587276 etc.
kanzure: well i don't really know if memory has an actual size (that concept might be bullshit)-- what about retention, is that the same thing as size
mircea_popescu: we never had a good outing of this theme ; but it is my (probably heretical) notion that memory size dun really enter into it.
kanzure: the difference between a monkey and a human is interesting. the difference between human and human, as measured by iq, is totally irrelevant to me. humans are idiots if you compare them only to each other.
mircea_popescu: or am i expected to think "designer" isn't to be interpreted to mean i can want a smart baby ? after all i can buy designer bags, of whichever kind, the only bags i can't buy being bags that ARE ANY GOOD. something like that ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 20:20 kanzure: well in many cases the mutations listed on that page have not been documented (on that page) as impacting positively or negatively. so the document should not be considered a definitive lookup table.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1703847 << let's have a look at what "Documenting" would look like on a topic of interest (intelligence) : http://trilema.com/2015/the-genetics-of-intelligence/
BingoBoingo: for real, much better than the contrived knock off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_tk-XrXFHo
mircea_popescu: the look on the 2nd one, you know, total precious cat "fuck, they're doing the people magic bullshit again"
mircea_popescu: you know, dude was a better napoleon in the sense the term's usually used. he certainly didn'\t fucking forget about a whole army corps etc.
kanzure: mircea_popescu: surely you don't follow the kurzweil philosophy of "sit around and wait for people to be productive on their own"?
asciilifeform: not the only. but possibly only one who sprechens englisch
mircea_popescu: there isn't a "for every million clay pots you get another one of the 17 symmetries". the right guys need twenty pots to find all of them. the polynesians or the africans will NEVER find them like they never found fucking madagascar.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the other good illustration re effort/discipline for our needs here is of course the observation re possible symmetries, and how the subhuman cultures never actually discovered all of them. why noit ? they had decorative arts too, effort went in...
asciilifeform: there kanzure , you oughta be able to voice. try to stay interesting.
mircea_popescu: https://static.pinboard.in/webstock_2014.htm << there we go. so kanzure : fine piece as any to explain the difference between "effort" and discipline.
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/fata-morgana-or-the-mirage-of-a-free-and-open-market/ << mircea_popescu
a111: Logged on 2016-11-07 16:53 mircea_popescu: recall the "where are the rembrandts then" argument ? the us fails to produce a philosopher worth the mention every other decade ; athens managed that much on 1/1000th the population.
mircea_popescu: you recall, "where's the south african rembrandts, same size as flanders"
kanzure: mircea_popescu: i would say my approach has been focused towards disciplined centralized technology roadmapping and planning. and then personally financing some of the projects. although it turns out that stuff is expensive and stupid.
mircea_popescu: kanzure you also read the famous piece with the "Where's the rembrandts" i take it ?
BingoBoingo: kanzure: And what does maaku do again, recognize the identifier, but not anything identifiable
mircea_popescu: oh, oh, with the independent girlfriends and the ai thing ? and the something basilisk mega-pantsuit ?
kanzure: he's basically the gmaxwell of fearmongering about x-risk/ai
kanzure: BingoBoingo: yes the fanfic guy
mircea_popescu: o ? is this the guy who brave brave brave sir robert put out a fanfic challenge, then trilema blew a hole in his head and he "never heard of it" a la buffett ?
mircea_popescu: it's not. it's just faking the exam.
mircea_popescu: discipline is a narrower set than effort, you understand. it seems "hard" ie efortful, especially for the noob. but it is not that hard once you internalize it. the effort-seeker howevere ends up mired in your sort of activity, "what's the most mentally painful activity, that'll be REALLY putting in some effort".
BingoBoingo: <kanzure> unless you're fucking eliezer yudzilla << The fanfic guy?
asciilifeform: the number of coolies illicitly removed from their chinese rice field and paid to 'publish or perish' cock-pulling adventure in usa, has 0 impact on anything.
mircea_popescu: mno. my model is that people who are disciplined enough to behave rigurously will discover things at the rate at which this happens.
kanzure: so your model is disciplined folks haphazardly dwaddling along playing around with stupid technologies until they do something that turns out to be disciplined?
mircea_popescu: and yes there's some relation between discipline as a societal construct, and politics. but this is complicated and poorly understood.
mircea_popescu: it changes with intellectual ~discipline~. thisis not the same thing as effort.
asciilifeform: kanzure: civ1 lied to you: there ain't such a thing as a 'money to discovery converter' you can shovel freshly-printed benjies into, and get transgenic mighty man out
mircea_popescu: kanzure my survey of the online world mostly happens in the sense intel prepares summaries which i sometimes read, but generally looking for a laugh.
mircea_popescu: (i have a very deep dislike for modern derps putting their name on things, though.)
mircea_popescu: science, research, technology are not political outputs. they are political inputs.
mircea_popescu: kanzure the idea is that there's entirely no relation between shoulding and tech building. whether it should or shouldn't, it'll go at the same rate.
kanzure: i would argue there is a knowledge component.
kanzure: i agree that the technology is missing. it should be built.
mircea_popescu: in other words : you don't have the technology to even dare hope you may create one monster per million tries. what designer babies ?
mircea_popescu: the thing where getting a "designer baby" be 99.9999% identical to an actual baby makes it less tolerable than a 99% or 80% similar result ; and not a little less tolerable, EXTREMELY intolerable.
kanzure: yea. the thing where people care what looks real.
mircea_popescu: it's plants which have been selected for the only hopefully-economically-useful trait available. which is already a very distant push.
kanzure: my technique of favor at the moment is inkjet-based synthesis, a writeup is here but it's a well-known technique http://diyhpl.us/wiki/dna/synthesis/notes/
mircea_popescu: so effort was instead moved to plants, which are three degrees of magnitude simpler. there, the approach works, you blast a square mile worth of soy with random nonsense and then select the few plants still standing. which is how the whole "glycosate-resistent" craze started : it's not DESIGNER plants.
kanzure: yes there are many tools that are necessary to make progress, such as order-of-magnitude cheaper dna assembly and synthesis technologies.
mircea_popescu: so, originally genetic experiments were carried out on mammals, hence dolly the cloned sheep. it rapidly became obvious that the only available tech ("throw shit at wall, maybe something sticks") is a terrible fit for the complexity of mammals, and there's absolutely no hope of obtaining iondustrially usable results this generation there.
kanzure: it's sort of weird. i asked and their answer was "he's angry". i am pretty sure they are idiots.
kanzure: they actually know nothing about you
mircea_popescu: sigh. alright, here, let me give you a primer on genetics as a tehcnological consideration, so you can impress the "what happened to mp" ass-up-buttholes with your transcendental scholarship.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Never had the cabbage juice. Twas a big fan of curing hangovers with moar booze
mircea_popescu: kanzure as to the question asked specifically.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the way you make this is that in a dry and cold cellar you emplace a tun, 100 liters say. then fill it with whole cabbages. then add brine and some spices. then let it sit a few months.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you ever had the cabbage juice btw ?
kanzure: and the controversy stuff is a tacky add-on, i'll admit.
kanzure: mircea_popescu: i disagree with your evaluation of whether it's a waste of time, or that it is fashionable in the least. i simply recognize the value of controversy.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> don't be ridiculous, it's cocktail flu. << The doctor prescribes Bloody Mary x2
mircea_popescu: no, i get it, you want to single play the WoWoW.
mircea_popescu: kanzure read the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: kanzure the model whereby you "attract funding" for "your idea" is fundamentally broken. i don't mean a little broken, i mean fundamentally broken -- it makes it impossible to actually have an idea, which is why your "attempt to find the most controversial conceivable notion" ended up with "what bit of fashionable nonsense could i waste my life with in the optimisitc but ultimately baseless hope it'll be worthy my or anyone's
kanzure: mircea_popescu: correct. i've looked at it just now but i don't see how it changes anything. shouldn't you prefer people to be hard workers, even if they can't own property?
kanzure: mircea_popescu: well actually the origin of the idea is that i am interested in genome engineering and human enhancement technology. but i also recognize that controversy is necessary to bring attention and funding.
kanzure: one of the genetic changes i have proposed is something that seems to cause 4-5 hours/night to be sufficient rest
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 20:16 kanzure: basically i sat down and tried to figure out what is the most controversial idea i could possibly construct
kanzure: asciilifeform: i have someone else working on a very similar project these days. it's in progress.
mircea_popescu: really, "i wonder what happened to the clouds, i've not been out of basement for a decade, poor clouds, they must be faring poorly"
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 16:16 asciilifeform: shinohai: 'What's the latest on Mircea? I've not heard about him in a while.' 'I think his followers actually kind of excommunicated him after he lost their bitcoins. I don't pay much attention to them though.' << didjaknow !
mircea_popescu: kanzure i read the logs anyway.
mircea_popescu: THIS is what your money's fucking buying omfg, "i live in the country so i can spend 80k a year on renting a cardboard box and have nice coasters which are worse than a fucking pile of dried goat shit"
kanzure: about to get unvoiced i think. could someone offer mircea_popescu a link to the right place in the logs for the eugenics war.
mircea_popescu: AND the dumbass cardboard gets destroyed by water.
mircea_popescu: now : the sheen on the top adheres to wet glasses, which in this climate is ALL of them. so you get floating coasters.
asciilifeform actually has some gold coasters. ( they're dud mitsui cd-r, gold, yes ! )
mircea_popescu: here's the problems with "expensive, upscale" coasters : they're not a square of cut up cork, like you'd expect if they were you know, uncivilised, unglamorous, un-internet-of-things orcfare. no. they're a thin strip of cork glued to cardboard with some shiny drawings on top.
asciilifeform: they were golden, or wat
mircea_popescu: and in other shit i will now randombly whine about : i bought these coasters, right ? cuz i was in some random mall picking up some chick and we went in an "upscale" libreria and well, i dunno, i impulse bought some fucking coasters. she thought they were expensive.