asciilifeform: which means NO black boxes, NO ic for which i did not personally approve the gate layout, and NO c/cpp code anywhere inside, as well as machine arch which boundschecks all array accesses.
kanzure: why took so long for the black ice storm whatever clifford wolfyap fpga stuff?
trinque: "goal" is being used as a placeholder for the macro-expanded version which lines up the causes
asciilifeform: as in, the item on your desk
asciilifeform: trinque: the things that were not designed with fit-in-head, fit in NO head.
trinque: asciilifeform: it is because of the size of your head that the problem must fit in it, neh?
asciilifeform: kanzure: mp insists that he 'has no goals', but i've got a few. one of them, is a 100% nato-free workstation comp.
asciilifeform: ( and yes, i am no stranger to buying surplus instruments. but they only SEEM cheap. what if you needed 25 of them ? or a guarantee that they continue to work for six months, without major interruption ? then welcome back to seven-figure list price. )
kanzure: yes i am not sure why everyone wants to obsess over 28nm these days.
asciilifeform: plenty of unsolved technical problems, of the 'yes, golden toilet from lockheed exists, but how about a human-priced version that pisses on patents and 'property''
kanzure: do you mean the electroporator? which thing are you buying and why?
asciilifeform: so far i see only the page where i can read his noise
kanzure: it's literally the answer i was given
asciilifeform: where is the www where i can order kanzure's physical product ?
kanzure: apparently you forgot the reason why i entered. i had a question and it has been answered ("nah we only do noise- it's intentional though, so it's okay to be worthless.")
asciilifeform: ( the flip side: if you don't deliver on schedule, might lose your head... but you WILL deliver, neh? 0
asciilifeform: visit pyongyang. moscow. betcha there are sane folx there, who will listen when you offer cheap laserdiode, microplate analytical box, etc
asciilifeform: take a fat, greasy shit right into the mouth of 'intellectual property', 'bioethics', misc. retardations.
asciilifeform: get out, to the free world.
asciilifeform: if -- as i understand -- you're a money man, kanzure , what the hell are you still doing in the heart of the shitreich ?
asciilifeform: how about find the reason, kanzure . sell some diodes. sell something useful. elsewise it looks very strange, you come here for no apparent reason than to insult, 'y'all idjits, noise, yer products, all fake, mp is powerless dolt just like me and my shilliconvalley catamites' etc
kanzure: ugh i hope not. that would be the stupidest reason.
kanzure: do you know why the laser diodes are expensive?
asciilifeform: but currently best bang for the buck, by order of magnitude.
asciilifeform: kanzure: there's ~infinite demand.
kanzure: this is sounding more and more like a market. there's even demand. hmm.
kanzure: i think generally we should prefer less breakable things; i'm not convinced that the non-tubes should be expensive.
kanzure: right.. so they exist.
kanzure: i thin there are >1 kw laser diodes
asciilifeform: the 1 item i'm still curious about, before the floor hatch opens to eject kanzure , is why the hell he is here
asciilifeform: other than a usgcomplianceshitcoin.
trinque: this sloppiness is not how threads go in the forum.
kanzure: interesting how you dismiss the possibility of "hand work" by some irc logs. i guess his equipment is totally fake, huh. (wtf?)
kanzure: asciilifeform: what projects would you like to see specifically? didn't like the electroporator?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:07 phf: it is certainly because you haven't found the right pdfs
asciilifeform: or... 15:26 <@fenn> now this may sound radically radical, but why not just use a metal tube << this and elsewhere, demonstrates that any and all of these people, are innocent of having ever worked with their hands, or studied so much as kindergarten experimental physics, chemistry, take yer pick
asciilifeform: 15:06 < kanzure> uh, my complaint about lasers isn't about the laser itself, but rather the optics usually associated (or, in cases where i need to maintain a co2 tube, i also mean co2 tubes)
asciilifeform: kanzure: you've been doing this since... '07? or when. what do you and the platoon of talkers have to show for it ? where is the desktop-biolab-on-a-chip ?
asciilifeform: 17:12 < justanotheruser> sounds like what a scientist would do if he became a 1%er
asciilifeform: 17:12 < justanotheruser> kanzure: because you buy stuff for a bunch of people on IRC in the name of science
asciilifeform: 19:41 <@fenn> but now that there's no patent, still no free bacteria
asciilifeform: 19:41 <@fenn> the patent was the excuse everyone used for not sharing their homegrown plasmids
asciilifeform: picture, these people :
kanzure: phf: that sounds like something else. the lesswrong folx are moron navelgazers. yes it makes sense to "use thinking" but not if the output is just a pile of ponyfic and fearmogering.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 02:59 asciilifeform: 'can't use bitcoin PERIOD' unless you have a proper, honest motherfucking node, with ALL the blocks' is the Right Thing.
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704628 <<< This dialogue between asciilifeform and kanzure boils down to http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000184.html imho
phf: but yes i still think that you're a rationalist, without quotes. i don't think you would object to it, i mean, if you go by definition (opinions and actions based on reason and knowledge) rather than "rationalwiki" "rationalist".
kanzure: you're still lumping me in with the "rationalists"?
phf: but the name was obviously tongue in cheek
phf: but i think it was cool as a kind of roleplay toy "learn all these tricks and you'll be just like a mentat from dune"
phf: there was a wiki in 2005 or so, called "mentat wiki". i think it was cool not so much for the content as the premise. it was supposed to be a collection of techniques for memory recall, arithmetic, problem solving, that sort of stuff.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 03:26 kanzure: if operatig the yudkowsy parody twitter account for five years is insufficient to convince you that i absolutely hate the person, then what would?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704716 << i don't think it matters which faction of ultra rationalist posthumanists you belong to. either way the nature of your misunderstanding of tmsr take certain predictable shape, and so are your interests, etc. nobody thinks that you literally suck yudkowsky's cock, but personally i don't even care.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 20:03 asciilifeform: in other noose, https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/usenixsecurity17/sec17-tang.pdf >> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Gw8Sr/?raw=true << ever wonder what 'power management' controller is actually for ? ( answer: fault injection, so nsa can help your, e.g., chineseremaindertheorem-using rsatron, shit out privkey )
ben_vulpes: daily paranoid fantasies: https://www.gq.com/story/the-great-pot-monopoly-mystery
mircea_popescu: and wd on the half dolla a day huh.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nothing hates old women society as much as dogs do. << lettuce not forget the Human Society's other priority, the cats! Cats who fleece old women society while snorting catnip and other drugs during pussy grabbing orgies.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wait till she learns how the street dogz of houston, voted.
BingoBoingo: in trouble seems heartless to me. Shes much more politically active than I am, and I finally asked if she did that to avoid the possibility of giving money to someone who voted for Trump, and she admitted that was one of the reasons. I think thats awful, and weve been fighting about it ever since. She thinks as a gay woman I should see her side, but I just cant."
BingoBoingo: From the WhatTheFun mines: "I come from the Houston area and have been heartbroken about the damage and scenes from Harvey. I decided to donate $250 and asked my girlfriend if she would match it. She agreed, and then when I asked if she had given to the Red Cross or someone else, I learned that she donated to the Humane Society. I know shes absolutely nuts about animals, especially our own dogs, but to give to animals when people are
asciilifeform: they largely die of boredom.
mircea_popescu: hey. there's nothing wrong with ilya muromets kills the koschei. BUT! there's also nothing wrong when koschei kills all the fucktarded uppity youth who weren't ilya.
asciilifeform: btw the original 'donor blood' BcHE 'bioscavenger' thing -- afaik still in production. when you donate blood in usa, chances are, some of it goes to help lizards survive their inevitable someday contact with the curative gas.
mircea_popescu: even the blind clock...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform saw the lulzy part where superficial fenn correctly identifies usg as "a bunch of neonazis that want to gas everybody except themselves" ?
asciilifeform: pretty sure that the curative asteroid would also leave behind a few blind,deaf crapple campus janitor, to tell tale.
mircea_popescu: 16:53 < nmz787> hmm, there's a new biotech thing starting on the floor below genspace (or at least where genspace was) << i wonder if this sorta thing ever gives them any pause.
mircea_popescu: yeah. complete ablation not the way to go, even the mongols left a blind and a deaf man to tell the story.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-27 20:03 mircea_popescu: the stupid cunt universally depicted in movies comes from the boston common, a one square mile area of little distinction.
asciilifeform: with the wheelbarrow.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i live to see the thermoablation of shitifornia, i will have lived long enough.
BingoBoingo: 'bay aryan' is just another way of spelling 'gay carrion'
mircea_popescu: i think one of the major advantages of my not living there is starting to shape itself pretty clearly. you're rather reactively allergic, aren't you alfie.
asciilifeform: whole thing reeks rancidly of 'bay aryan'. whether there is something of substance buried beneath the kilometres of sludge -- i cannot say.
asciilifeform: now if only it were something more interesting than thiel fellatio, string-theoretical quantum mimblewimbles, and gaseous nutritions...
mircea_popescu: what's the noise level here, 500-1k lines a day or something like that. about same.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : in other news, cat *.log | wc -l > 1231786.
mircea_popescu: oh oh, the alt-power dorks, right right.
asciilifeform: and zeroing their fw.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey, why would they want to study it! can simply 'unhappen' it. i suspect they will not even flinch when we start formatting their hdds
mircea_popescu: but then again this is how the whole "democracy" derp dies, "publish the data so people who don't have the time to study it don't study it"
asciilifeform: ( after this -- Framedragger take2; then ssl ... )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we're ~61% though the Framedragger dataset atm.
mircea_popescu: kanzure re "broken while uploaded" : tell fenn phuctor has not just all the pgp keys ; but also all the ssh keys, though apparently not the one for his home computer. and to stop being so superficial wtf.
BingoBoingo: In other news, Taylor Swift released an awesome white power anthem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tmd-ClpJxA
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 03:28 mircea_popescu: be it in school, on reddit, whatever. as a result, have deeply nfi about relatively fundamental, basic stuff, and WAY too much familiarity with relatively irrelevant fringe extensions of minor alt-theories in obscure fields.
kanzure: alright so you're an instructor... just like 400 million other idiots.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 20:37 mircea_popescu: A student told his friend, "My teacher has amazing powers. He moves a pen in the air and characters appear on a piece of paper held on the other side of the river. What does your master do?" His friend replied "My great master follows Zen. When he is hungry, he eats and when he is tired he sleeps."
mircea_popescu: there's no semantic manipulation, i mean it quite literally. when i say chains i mean chains ; when i say whips i mean whips.
mircea_popescu: there's plenty more.
mircea_popescu: lol check it out, "slavery" manipulation. here, let's resolve this problem : http://trilema.com/2010/nsfw-mosu-cu-joarda/ << meet girl on the left ; girl on the right.
kanzure: i don't mean the log i just mean your goals and behavior
mircea_popescu: kanzure i'll tell you, i read the log every day, first thing, chiefly because it's the higherst snr item i know of. so not really noisy, no.
asciilifeform: i particular the sentence containing ' i will sink any ...'
mircea_popescu: anyway, re lungs, as im a fan apparently : gas exchange happens through a wonderful bevy of yet poorly understood fluid/fluid phenomena. there's some true space tech going on in there.
asciilifeform: kanzure: didja read http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ ?
kanzure: and then you come to me and argue that you guys aren't meant to look like noise....?
kanzure: asciilifeform: the stuff about hash functions was re: what exercise of power does mircea_popescu historically engage in. and then you quoted things from the logs. it wasn't that long ago.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was not able to discern these folx's priors -- other than 'we suck thiel's cock on command, like every good redditpilltaker'
mircea_popescu: i used the term metaphorically. the convo sounds like noise to you because you don't accept/have the priors. which priors he'd propose are a different authority structure.
kanzure: this was re: the power conversation
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in summary, it's impossible to make sense of the leaves of a merkle tree that you don't have the root for, is what he's saying.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you ever had the opportunity to see lung tissue under good magnification, but it's a wonder.
mircea_popescu: hydration is prolly going to emphysema-kill you in weeks at the most. sorta in-between
mircea_popescu: kanzure fluid respiration does happen, and has happened since the 70s. it's not even that costly, biologically. lung NUTRITION however is impossibru.
kanzure: well you didn't say it; but let's stick to the deriving-from-authority concept eh?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo do we have the famous pdf unicorn-coconut or whatever took to the inept competition instead of bringing to qntra, resulting in a jail term for her ? << http://qntra.net/2017/06/reality-winner-arrested-for-leaking-to-omidyar-and-greenwalds-fake-qntra/
mircea_popescu: ie, "why do you know so much about string theory ?" "because im on this biker forum and this guy steve keeps posting articles about it" "yes but... it's neither that important nor interesting" "i dunno"
asciilifeform: 17:17 < kanzure> could the atmosphere be flooded with gas + nutrients sufficient to feed a person if lungs weren't awful
mircea_popescu: be it in school, on reddit, whatever. as a result, have deeply nfi about relatively fundamental, basic stuff, and WAY too much familiarity with relatively irrelevant fringe extensions of minor alt-theories in obscure fields.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with the current crop of kids is that they're so used to have OTHERS pick their reading materials for them.
asciilifeform: 18:40 < yashgaroth> ah, that's a lot of people to dedicate to a dumb idea << usg.dtra, unclass. to the tune of couplea decamil.
kanzure: if operatig the yudkowsy parody twitter account for five years is insufficient to convince you that i absolutely hate the person, then what would?
asciilifeform: 18:39 < fenn> therefore probably nothing really happened."
asciilifeform: 18:39 < fenn> it doesn’t pass the self check and was probably broken while uploaded.
mircea_popescu: every membrane will have a pore. it's only natural. dja know the joke with the horny bear ?
asciilifeform: they spread leg^H^H^Hmembrane for thiel/yudkowsky/etc al on command tho
mircea_popescu: eh. think of it this way, if people didn't have barriers at all they'd be goo.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-16 20:26 asciilifeform: 'whaddayamean you won't eat from the trough' 'not a swine? everybody's a swine, and you're an elitist swine' etc
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: d00d had some quite musculatured, and not otherwise mutilated ( as far as anybody could tell ) rat << And time + selective breeding some well built bulls in Belgium
mircea_popescu: so basically, this is a sort of republic-like, some people got together trying to do [what their idea of] good is. not nearly as dead as cat-v.org thing for instance.
mircea_popescu: hey, for every single articulation there's multiple positions, and the shit we dabble in is many articulations long. combinatorial explody.
asciilifeform is astonished at the elaborate dance of 'we dun get it' in $linked
BingoBoingo: <kanzure> alright so the argument is that to whatever extent there's a modellable aspect, that's a failure mode and not necessarily a preference << Consider http://trilema.com/2011/arta-pedepsirii/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you run a grep on the site over my name or what
asciilifeform: turns out goats really do think 'hey, it moves, has legs, IS ANOTHER GOAT'
asciilifeform: '15:49 < jrayhawk> i feel like popescu is what happens when you confuse postmodernism with intellectualism and then read too much alt-right literature'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the root is just shockingly lengthy.
mircea_popescu: who designs these things.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-25 23:22 mircea_popescu: basically nodes are the digital equivalent of women : men fuck them so the state can have babies. hurr durr, pill plox.
mircea_popescu: as oft discussed, the current system excists as does because satoshi was a lazy thinker.
mircea_popescu: the problem is that the money users pay is pocketed by the miners for mining ; whereas it should be pocketed by miners + nodes for mining + noding.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: funnily enough, BchE is ~the~ preantidote. inject couplea grams, and walk right through vx. << AHA, an innovation to revolutionize pest control!
mircea_popescu: the problem is not one of proof, here, and it is imperial nonsensemachine to misrepresent it in terms of proof.
mircea_popescu: user pays for tx via fee. that's 100% all he has to do. if he should pay more, let the fee be more. there's not going to be any tack-ons in kind, it's a monetary system not fucking 1800s serfdom.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, * Topic for ##hplusroadmap is: biohacking, nootropics, transhumanism, open hardware | sponsored by lobsters everywhere, banned by the Federal Death Administration (5 times)
mircea_popescu: you are discussing the composition of said proofstring ; i was giving the ur-example of what he's talking about, "make USERS prove they have the blockchain, not miners".
mircea_popescu: this is rank nonsense, for the record.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform something like pubkey = hash(hash(privkey+proofstring) . privkey). you publish the pubkey AND the hash(privkey+proofstring) component. then when spending they check that indeed the proofstring component was correct.
asciilifeform: ('utxo set' is a broken concept, thoroughly and to the bone : it implies that it is somehow acceptable to forget the history of all coin, i.e. the thing that proves that EVERY bitcent actually came from blockrewards as-specified, and not from magicking into existence a la fiatola )
mircea_popescu: kanzure you can't put that sort of burden on key generation. he has a point with the babbage quote, you're trying to put contraryt things in the same box.
kanzure: i think the most mature construction was one that was solely about utxo set and/or blockchain content, not rule validation (besides: they could be running a fake client that solely does these rule validation protocols or whatever, and then they don't actually run a node in the end)
kanzure: yea you can prove that they are hashing a value of blocchain content (or doing rule validation) with the presence of a secret nonce, etc.
kanzure: well, i agree, however you can include a private key in the scheme, and if the user is outsourcing their private key they are dumb anyway
asciilifeform: full. history. of. the. world. -- or you can't play.
kanzure: so, i had a proposal a while back where i pushed that question to the edges instead of to the miners; e.g. a bitcoin address scheme where it requires interactive querying to determine whether the recipient is actually running a node (because why would you send coins to a monkey that isn't running the bitcoin protocol).
asciilifeform: 'can't use bitcoin PERIOD' unless you have a proper, honest motherfucking node, with ALL the blocks' is the Right Thing.
asciilifeform: 'i cannot rightfully apprehend the confusion of ideas that could lead to such a question'
kanzure: can you riterate the value of proving they have a copy of the blockchain. what you really need is a proof that everyone else has a copy of the blockchain (e.g. all utxo owners sign the damn content).
a111: Logged on 2017-03-01 19:32 asciilifeform: ooook try this on for size : suppose fixed-width TX (as discussed earlier.) T(N) is the Nth tx, T(0) is the first tx in genesis block, etc. Tmax is the last tx in the currentheightblock.
asciilifeform: at any rate, kanzure , the latest word on subj was http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-01#1620661 thread.
kanzure: one way i was thinking was something like, move the transaction merkle root out of the blockheader, eliminate the block header, full transaction list must be transmitted in order to verify PoW. unfortunately gmaxwell broke this in 3 seconds (because midstate).
kanzure: block content is actually not sufficient. even if you include a nonce (like a private key) plus the previous block content, you don't actually get what you need there in the sha3 proposal.
mircea_popescu: "'I think his followers actually kind of excommunicated him after he lost their bitcoins." as opposed to "he actually blew up the early feelers of teh cartel a year ago, we're STILL butthurt about it".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform remember the days when "teh cartel didn't exist" ?
asciilifeform: what they 'coercing me into saying things that i don't believe' and why.
asciilifeform: y'mean legitimize the existing central cartel.
kanzure: ya the miners were trying to propose a centralized organization.
asciilifeform: lk about Bitcoin. We had many informal discussions amongst ourselves about topics such as mining decentralization, evolution of the Bitcoin protocol, safety improvements and progress for both soft- and hard-forks...' didjaknow!!
asciilifeform: 'Over the last few days, some Bitcoin developers and miners got together for a social gathering to improve communication, friendship, and to do some California sightseeing. We talked about where bitcoin is and where bitcoin is going. We learned a lot from each other. We also visited Stanford to attend a cryptography talk to learn more about potential improvements for Bitcoin, as well as the Google campus to give a presentation and ta
asciilifeform: 'I think we are interested in any and all opportunities to collaborate. We will try to setup a commercial circle. We hope that the Core developers will join. In the afternoon, we can come back after we visit Stanford. We have an hour gap and we can come back here. I have reserved the conference room for the whole day. We can still come back here. Googleplex is not very far from here. It takes 30min to get there or less. We can still
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704484 << another astonishing horror show. recommended to all dedicated entomologists.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-17 21:24 mircea_popescu: let's approach the easier end of this. the necessary precondition for any fork succieeding on the bitcoin network was set forth last year : http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 00:22 kanzure: i'm able to keep up with core developers as they babble on about stuff, though https://bitcoincore.org/logs/2016-05-zurich-meeting-notes.html
asciilifeform: !~later tell kanzure http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1704482 << realize, NOT ONE of these imbeciles, nor the idiocies they uttered, has a single thing to do with ACTUAL bitcoin. not the 'core dev' nsa tools, not the dan boneh ( http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/2016-july-bitcoin-developers-miners-meeting/dan-boneh ) nsa stooge; not the chinese derps.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-20 23:21 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: review, http://trilema.com/2015/full-disclosure-4096-rsa-key-in-the-strongset-factored , http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations , http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag
asciilifeform: kanzure: as for why you won't read about it in the lugenpress, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-20#1687903 << n00b review
asciilifeform: probably never yet seen trb, either...
mircea_popescu: no there was no proof re that.
mircea_popescu: there's really a lot.
mircea_popescu: the lulzarmageddon on something awful, "oh bitcoin is useless" "really ? here's a dork shoving crayons in his ass for bitcoin" "OMFG porn and winning unpopular arguments are now bannable offenses on something awful" ?
asciilifeform: probably also missed the phuctoring
mircea_popescu: what else did you miss, lessee, the 1k btc berkshire bet ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 00:48 mircea_popescu: the republic fabricates its own hardware, building towards a complete stack. not to mention its own software, idem.
mircea_popescu: yeah, totally another castle.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what diff does that make. still the same dumbass FLUXBABBIT!!!11 nonsense
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 18:15 BingoBoingo: So the politics of "Reality Winner" is a bottomless lulz spiral.
asciilifeform: ( i print'em on old clunker that definitely has them dotz )
asciilifeform: ( the dot pattern was reversed long ago, however , is public )
mircea_popescu: not exactly what i want. it should work with arbitrary user provided links ; and it should specifically spit out the format required.
mircea_popescu: kanzure are you capable of standing up a bot which takes a link to a pdf and responds with a http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hello/?raw=true link containing the contents ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do we have the famous pdf unicorn-coconut or whatever took to the inept competition instead of bringing to qntra, resulting in a jail term for her ?
kanzure: so it turns out, i was the reason why she got doxxed
kanzure: no just the ip address stuff
mircea_popescu: kanzure ftr, does your pdfparanoia thing also wipe the yellow printer dots ?
mircea_popescu: there's all sorta things.
mircea_popescu: aite, so it's this item that factors privkeys. has the whole db of pgp and ssh keys.
mircea_popescu: it's a state, like any other. well, better than most, at least in tech terms.
mircea_popescu: the republic fabricates its own hardware, building towards a complete stack. not to mention its own software, idem.
mircea_popescu: i thought you read the logs.
kanzure: so far the only form of 'resource allocation' that i can peg you down for is re: something something 'protection of friendlines from idiocy'
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 22:15 kanzure: if things are so willy wonka in here that one cannot apply effort to directed intentional behavior then i'm not really sure how to communicate
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704183 << they are. resource allocation, including man hours, is not open to all comers ; it is not even open to "community" anything.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 22:14 kanzure: well originally my purpose (that's right i said it) of bringing this up with mircea_popescu was to query his preferences regarding thermonuclear war err i mean eugenics err i mean direct participation in technology development for genome engineering projects
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-28#1704181 << i'm not much of an engineer ; i don't even own any ikea desk converted into an open thermo-thingee.
mircea_popescu: wait, you are telling me you are working at company x BECAUSE you work there, not so that you're on the //heres-some%20stock-photos-stolen-from-internets.htmk page ?!
kanzure: i never asked to be listed there
kanzure: so yeah they did not have diligence until i showed up
a111: Logged on 2014-10-27 21:05 los_pantalones: mircea_popescu i can't believe how much $ the ledgerX guys raised
kanzure: (these are real-time transcripts. nobody has time to go back and type. i just do it in real-time.)
kanzure: i'm able to keep up with core developers as they babble on about stuff, though https://bitcoincore.org/logs/2016-05-zurich-meeting-notes.html
mircea_popescu: fucking fabulous idea. make the ink HFCS caramel too.
mircea_popescu can't help but visualize endless expanded rice cakes, painted with the required assignats drawings. sort of like e-stamps, only edible.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now ask me what is the diff between polar and cartesian coord systems.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's the operative diff ? -- other than where one places the 'world of plenty' hallucination in the present, and other -- in future..?
mircea_popescu: kanzure yes, the chinese fortune cookie see ? include the blessing with the meal. "by order of our most supreme government, you are obligated and alloweds to eat this"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform arguably the "world of plenty" "boundless bounty of this is our land" is one kind of nativist ; whereas assignats more of a frenchypoof thing.
asciilifeform: the 'we can create 10bil plates of shitburger to go with the vouchers if only we KomyoonityOrganizeStoneSoup correctly' is simply slightly moar elaborate version of same.
kanzure: 10 billion food vouchers can be printed if you would like to shut them up the hilarious way
mircea_popescu: at the risk of splitting hairs, that's possibly a different strand of the same coli.
asciilifeform: the borderline-retarded buy it because retarded; the cynical grifters buy it because 'i'll be first to the trough'
mircea_popescu: (the systemic shock then was the europeans, not the chinese, taking their gold back home. the us survived that one.)
mircea_popescu: anyway, amusingly enough that exact outlook, 'world of plenty', 'infinite resources', 'as soon said as done', 'just needs to be managed and komyoonitiorganized' resulted in the panic of 1837.
asciilifeform: to the wind generation, cowboy is normal d00d
mircea_popescu: but the next one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform always how this happens. it wasn't the generatio nthat slept in cow dung under the biting western wind that thought cowboy is tough guy
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 21:39 kanzure: "and as such they're not only infinite and uncountable, but even undefined" but isn't this what calibration is for. you communicate with people because you are trying to callibrate collective goal behavior shit.
asciilifeform has theory, that one of the fundamental and incurable psychodysfunctions of the ameritard is the picture, formed in childhood, of 'world of plenty', 'infinite resources', 'as soon said as done', 'just needs to be managed and komyoonitiorganized' etc
asciilifeform: but the next, that didn't
asciilifeform: the interesting bit is that it wasn't, appears, the generation that played civ, that grew into these
asciilifeform: 'Mouthbreathers living in squalor all over the US are mentally preparing to solve the 3rd world's famine problems. Just in case. You never know when you suddenly become powerful. Fucking Cinderella syndrome, an entire generation of sleeping beauties.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where was the 'game plan' thread
mircea_popescu: this is always an unfair comparison for the esltards, because all other languages being spoken by man over time have built in ridiculous protectors.
mircea_popescu: there was a lot of the nonsense floating about, esp cca 1940s and 50s. back when they belieft.