AlfredAlfer: fwaa it's the free speech twitter. You can say whatever you want and they won't ban you.
AlfredAlfer: I'm glad I'm free of the ironybros
mircea_popescu: off to work on the cocktrough. laters.
asciilifeform: 'we'll trim the branch, for nao'
asciilifeform: at one time, enough to blow the pole transformer
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: incidentally so do i, but that's because i have a tree that connected itself to the mains
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708199 << i'ma read this catalogue ! but if it ain't posted before the leaves fall in benighted shitmordor , back to -1 quisling inquire within
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> yeah totally, my dick is now best approximated by a high cocktose corn stalk, 8 meters long an' there's twelve different ears the hos can fuck themselves silly with on its generous girthy length << If we made a mold and cast this in sillycone, this might sell
mircea_popescu: yeah totally, my dick is now best approximated by a high cocktose corn stalk, 8 meters long an' there's twelve different ears the hos can fuck themselves silly with on its generous girthy length
BingoBoingo: Anyways, since DIYbio became a fad on Monday: How many inches did everyone here add to their dicks?
asciilifeform pictures when they 'extradited' asciilifeform , ended up dividing by 0 since he already lives in thebigzone
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Was reading. Stopped because WTF. crispr patching, BEFORE maxing out self stats with off the shelf chems
mircea_popescu: really, "mp in danger of being extradited" already ? truly burning the years, these folks, since extracting head out of ass and self from under rock managed to get all the way to like 2013 ?
mircea_popescu doubts the google ai can actually find costa rica. reals you see, errors compound, place is small.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu looks well on his way to getting solar-shaded and crispr-patched for 3 extra pairs of chitinous wings -- or what is it that happens to folx who piss off The Greats Of Her Demoocracy
BingoBoingo supposes it is near the time biting becomes fashionable again
BingoBoingo forgets how many terabytes etherspam chain was up to a couple months ago
mircea_popescu: you don't need to run a node or do anything to be an ethertard. posting on wikireddit suffices.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708137 << Until they try to run a node... Syncing TRB far less painful that keeping up with Ethereum...
mircea_popescu: likely more than the mcclim project budget.
mircea_popescu: the correct approach is, "see this great car ? and i only paid 50 bux for it". certainly not "oh, i spend 5 mn on cars and uhm, disregard the donkey"
mircea_popescu: kanzure dja have any idea how dumb you look going in with an attempt to impress by EXPENDITURE, and then on the flimsiest of examination appearing unable to explain WHAT you bought ? tell you what, the usg you seem so keen to emulate spent a trillion and similary "wait for plane catalog day". or alternatively, has some littoral cardboard models that can't float.
mircea_popescu: and in other greens, is this a kardashian ? http://68.media.tumblr.com/2df1e5de773f3af5899d2751f7269db3/tumblr_nu9ppfzmRK1ryxzr3o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: the other guy spending a grand total of $1400 has a lengthy report about it, somehow i missed the corresponding link in this 27mn venture.
mircea_popescu: i saw what i saw. you're more than welcome to fill in the gaps, what'd i miss ?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 01:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: because why the fuck is the KKKalifornian orchard of Fago-Tree dumping all of it's refuse here all of a sudden and shitting up the logs.
mircea_popescu: this is a fundamental problem, and a major irritant to asciilifeform ; he is allergic to "i'm not a hooker, i'm a priss dressed provocatively trying to crowd out the real hookers"
mircea_popescu: you know as well as i do that the reason your log lives on .log files is because all of you lot think you could, but none of you lot actually can make a sane log. that's what the random package a low effort search returned does, and that is what you get. same is true of all other items, either you found it at the walmart in the "diy" section or you don't have it.
mircea_popescu: kanzure dja understand why native african can't respond to 1860s brit wondering how the fuck they failed to colonize madagascar with "oh yeah ? where's your airplanes then! you seem to want airplanes!"
asciilifeform: says the bright young fella who after $millions of payola (i'ma carry on supposing that it was from judasing for usg, esr-style, unless proven otherwise) and decade+ , produced: ___?___
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 21:57 mircea_popescu: the only reasonable move for safeguarding earth's future, is to keep you lot as far as feasible from any buttons that are connected to anything.
asciilifeform: them heathenz are in ~exactly~ same place today as in '08 -- with possible exception of having moar bitcoin, which -- by misfortunate happenstance -- they have not yet been fully pirate40'd and gox'd out of.
asciilifeform: i bet he'd take an interest in the waveguide trunkmotor. if he had the sense to show up here.
mircea_popescu: they're very inept, in any practical sense, can't actually DO anything, as much as a de-pdf-er or whatever. logs can't live on www because among all the transhumans there isn't a single one who CAN do this.
mircea_popescu: the realisation that wikipedia makes one stupid isn't all that common.
asciilifeform: wherever the cows bray, is not the tru temple of pantsuit, cows are mindless. but these folx, these ~chose~ the pantsuit..
asciilifeform: they've got a... pediwikibot, even
asciilifeform: 'funding the evolution of blockchains' didjaknow.
asciilifeform peeks into hplusetc l0gz, finds steaming pile of fresh ethertardium
asciilifeform: 'hitler, great chief of the hittites'
mircea_popescu: this, btw, is just about how archeology/history works. "southpark was an irish village in the 2nd millenium period."
mircea_popescu: (omg they kilkenny!)
mircea_popescu: i hope people of the future will come to the conclusion al-warmist was a sort of you know, al-gore from which algorithm was derived ; or al-kenny.
mircea_popescu: that and kubinetes. ask teh people who actually live in the west.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only in a view where matters of strategy are open to engineers. this is eminently not how the fiat farms are run.
mircea_popescu: notreally. in fact, for meathead subclinical neurosis is a disease of least concern.
asciilifeform: upstack to 'subclinical' : for everyday d00dz, subclinical disease is a theoretical matter. but for one who fancies himself an athlete -- matters
mircea_popescu: "we aim to build a government out of trying to withhold all information from all those it is of any interest. WONT WE BE IMPORTANT THEN!"
asciilifeform: with twist that d00d dun normally get to see the output
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the deahtspital would be a very useful addition to the clinical system. open for ppl over 60, they give you a list of things. "hello mr smith. you're 68, and we can tell you that your kidneys will kill you in a decade, except your heart will get you before you're 75, and then there's this patch of skin cancer that needs like 20 years at your age. stay out of car crashes and sudden falls."
asciilifeform: there is indeed a world of new hurts waiting to be uncovered by the hurrdurrlifextension folx
mircea_popescu: some doctors are hypocratic enough to point this out to the patients ; others want the insurance coupons. but anyway.
mircea_popescu: in the exact same vein : prostate cancer is common in older men, and also very little concern. it is so slow that the odds of anyone dying from it are negligible.
asciilifeform: some engines produce ~nothing but the clatter tho
mircea_popescu: as phf points out, a noisy engine that still runs nevertheless is still running.
asciilifeform: and both will reliably 'trust in allah, but tie the camel' , and even buy oceanfront properties
mircea_popescu: the two aren't even that distinguishable. as per discussion re progressivism of fundamental xtians etc.
mircea_popescu: as in, no points of edges, nothing where they may end up caught by.
mircea_popescu: kinda the signature of that particular churchlet, they have a list of beliefs that are mostly chosen for being dull.
kanzure: nah i strictly hold myself in higher regard than mircea_popescu no worries there.
mircea_popescu: he could believe orcas fly through the (1900s version of) ethereum at the behest of a burning goat's skull ; for as long as this strange array of notions doesn't get in the way of his daily life it's called subclinical.
mircea_popescu: actually whether true or false.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 00:48 mircea_popescu: but some random weasel who couldn't, on his own salt, as much as turn on the machine.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708047 << i still get the ( perhaps mistaken? but not baseless! ) impression that kanzure ultimately assigns more weight to this selfsame weasel than to, e.g., mircea_popescu , on account of weasel having been anointed by, e.g., a.horowitz, and the latter still occupying the legitimacy-throneroom of his mind ( next to 'science', 'nature', warmism )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: because why the fuck is the KKKalifornian orchard of Fago-Tree dumping all of it's refuse here all of a sudden and shitting up the logs.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 18:44 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707421 the word apparently spread that while just as scary as ever, we don't actually bite.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 17:47 r0nin-: Rome is on the map becuase of caraceni
mircea_popescu regrets he omitted pointing out http://trilema.com/2016/the-%D0%BA%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%81-bdsm-party/#footnote_0_68337 to r0nin fellow in regards to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1702172
mircea_popescu: i've the same sentiment
trinque: there's some bandwagon I'm not on.
mircea_popescu: partly because there is no such thing as mediocre management.
mircea_popescu doesn't have it in for mediocre engineers as he has it for the medicore management.
mircea_popescu: and who somehow expects nevertheless he;s better than the 80bux a trick costa rican whores./
mircea_popescu: but some random weasel who couldn't, on his own salt, as much as turn on the machine.
mircea_popescu: i didn't expect YOU wrote the pos in question.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 05:59 mircea_popescu: kanzure http://ledgerx.com/is-btc-real << this is uniquely stupid. for one thing, the "conceptualization" of bitcoin as a "real number" is below sophomoric. there is no such thing as a "btc", properly speaking ; it's satoshis all the way down, and they are integers.
kanzure: all answers must be submitted in the form of questions, thanks.
mircea_popescu: can't build fucking "intellectual leadership" out of lazy rewrites out of the slime that comes out of tardstalk/reddit when squeezed.
mircea_popescu: the part where he ACTUALLY isn't so qualified not a problem.
mircea_popescu: i read once on a blogpost by legere-x (the world's first drop-out with a certificate) that you can divide things whenever you need to.
asciilifeform: them.
asciilifeform: they're still, hehe, quantized
asciilifeform: and incidentally all comps are 'analogue'. engineer just breaks his back sweating to make the analoguity cancel out before you see it...
asciilifeform: they ARE still here. ( well, in asciilifeform's chamber of horrors, at least... )
mircea_popescu: nah, analogues went away for the new jersey reason. too slow.
asciilifeform: sorta how the analogue comps went away.
asciilifeform: deterministic machine ( i.e. where it is not acceptable for output to vary with phase of the moon and which elvis track 'voice of america' is playing ) entails ints.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:29 gabriel_laddel_p: now, I am 100% with ascii that floats have to die. no question. I, however, am severely undereducated & don't know what to replace them with.
asciilifeform: it is interesting also in re mircea_popescu's 'false freedoms of choice' concept -- d00d correctly grasps the retardation of ironfloat, but CANNOT seem to let go of it, 'must fix', ends up with 'socialism-with-humanface'-like abortion
asciilifeform: complete with massive colour photos of 'mathematica' multidimensional plots, etc
asciilifeform: '90s usenetism for the study of crackpottery
asciilifeform: btw, i almost let this http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707804 escape ! but no, it is worth reading , (if only on warez, dun give the crank moneys) this b00k -- starts with a VERY reasonable 'floatingpoint is retarded, here are 9,009 ways how' and proceeds to a... 'let's make a 9,000X MOAR byzantinely retarded pieceofshitstack!!'
mod6: Ladies and Gentlemen of The Most Serene Republic, The Bitcoin Foundation presents: The State of Bitcoin Address: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-September/000272.html
asciilifeform: ( better, imho, picture, than simply reading the datashit )
asciilifeform: shinohai: i was playing with the ice40 ~decompiler~ -- not much use in battlefield, but does give interesting picture of how your netlist ends up sitting down on the iron
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: as is the case with ~any apple offering.
asciilifeform: gotta also recall, the crapple2 comp was nothing particularly special -- commodore cost ~same and was 10x the bang for buck.
asciilifeform: d00d designed a pcb, and wrote a basic for 6502, and afaik ended there
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have yet to encounter the pov that woz 'was larger part'
mircea_popescu: anwyay, my point being that wozniak was not the larger part of a woz-jobs team.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: woz was not connected with the mac era
mircea_popescu: people keep thinking woz was "the man behind". the sort of people who like to think that and therefore do are also the sort of people who never get anywhere "for no fault of their own".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform macintosh was showing the same steve jobs signature "actual positive roi media buying".
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in monkeystan, https://archive.is/bL3CH >> 'the FCC lets you upload any file to their website and make that file publicly accessible using the FCC.gov domain'
asciilifeform: often enough the comp ( and the pathetic imitation of an os inside ) is even included in the service contract.
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-08-31 03:41:37: <rinzler> hi, i'm having a bit of a problem completing the installation process on ubuntu 14.04. For some reason I'm getting error that suggest the CRYSTAL environment variable is not set, when it is.
asciilifeform: re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707910 and g_l , this is actually sop in large industrial equip. -- NOBODY ships $500k robot and 'oh hey here's a stack of cd, install on a winblowz box of your choice', they ship with pc ( and usually display, even )
asciilifeform: and how they survived the '90s to present day. ( as in fact the last gasp of the commercialunix world )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707920 << i was speaking of the greater, imho, puzzler, of the pre-ipod-apple product line -- the comps
asciilifeform: i could see the argument for reviews of ~vintage~ iron ( we had a number of threads on subj, incl. the meat thread in c3 ) but that's about it.
trinque: nor to publish a list and say "ohai NSA, here's the list of hardware we all chose from your catalog" eh?
asciilifeform: it is like listing all of the bullets inside torso of a man who was machine-gunned
asciilifeform: ( at same time , intel ships at least 2 independent remote anal punishment holes in chipset; then there are the nic vendors (incl. intel...) and so forth )
asciilifeform: trinque: they shipped ( and continue to ship ) winblowz rootkit in-bios
mircea_popescu: and the pennies are literal pennies.
mircea_popescu: afaik the only known case of "positive roi from this activity over any kind of interval". otherwise sorta "pick pennies in front of steamroller" activity, countless trillions were wasted to date in the attempt.
asciilifeform: trinque: can also mean 'standard fpga, because why the everliving fuck would you do anything to an fpga except to make it larger'
trinque may use standard hardware when it means "all carved from diamond by the gods" and not "all haz teh same aids"
asciilifeform: and then again in pocket comps
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: soft-ontop-of-heterogeneous-iron sounded like great thing back in the bad ol' dayz of pdp, bolix, et al...
mircea_popescu: the hope always being "hey, pebkac". but...
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-08-31 03:41:37: <rinzler> hi, i'm having a bit of a problem completing the installation process on ubuntu 14.04. For some reason I'm getting error that suggest the CRYSTAL environment variable is not set, when it is.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 22:07 trinque: I meanwhile offered a couple hundred bucks to just get a current build of the software, because I had no interest in the ONE TRUE lenovo turd or w/e he'd selected.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707874 << d00d forced himself into that mistake, gotta standardize the iron ~somehow~
asciilifeform smiles the smile of a lazy man -- dun have to do nuffin'
asciilifeform: ( rather like xilinx, if you're a reformed xilinxist )
asciilifeform: since we're on subj, asciilifeform got the recently released ice40-8k (largest in the series) going. ( there's only 1 decent dev board for the 8k, the one released by olimex ~2wks ago )
phf: the sentece was corny, i meant that "i didn't buy masamune (because ..) but ron garret did"
asciilifeform: re fpga ( there were various 'i'ma throw something together, with 11 different closed dramcontroller, nic, etc from xilinx lib ) , a german, and i fughet who else, all similar
phf: or even marco baringer's slime tutorial which is the original video demonstrating the particular setup that "masamune" is trying to put lipstick on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B_4vhsmRRI
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 03:11 phf: but there was none of that, because there wasn't actually anything being done. i think it would be a lot more impressive if you setup a non trivial task and showed how masamune makes that task easier to perform
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 03:11 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632161 << i just didn't think the video was good. i also can install all the individual packages that are involved, but i wanted to see if and how the symbiosis makes you more productive
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:58 phf: gabriel_laddel: well this is my avocation, so hacking on hemlock and installing masamune in sfo is cost equivalent. i'd make a trip just as a mini vacation, i'll see when's the closest i can swing it
trinque: I meanwhile offered a couple hundred bucks to just get a current build of the software, because I had no interest in the ONE TRUE lenovo turd or w/e he'd selected.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707865 << i've actually watched the whole video, and commented on it in logs. i'd like to point out that ~before~ watching the video i was making plans to fly to SF in short time to buy a masamune machine
mircea_popescu: shinohai there is that, yea.
shinohai: The thing with cuntoo is, it *does* exist in the sense that more folx use it as it exists now than they do other non-OS's
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:15 gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: apologies. I think this is mostly just that the path forwards is clear to me, and that e.g., you people see a masamune video & ask zero questions I'm mostly left wondering why you even bother pretending you want a lispm
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:12 gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: if all this is so easy, where is the frozen tsmr gentoo that can do what I described above?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707760 << this is precisely why it doesn't exist : cuz people dun think it's a big deal per se, and so can't be bothered to do that before they actually build a disk device full of something they'd actually want replicated. which cuntoo isn't at yet. maybe just on the cusp, i guess.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:10 gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: it isn't "duplicating the contents of a block device", but rather having that USB able to build itself onto another machine that can in turn generate replication USBs that is the problem
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: I have key, but cannot up due to the -1.
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated gabriel_laddel_p -1 at 2017/01/30 17:00:14 << turns out the appeal was mostly to bang the head.
mircea_popescu: (do i have the right deGRasse account fossVERIFIED btw ? fat blondy ? or am i confusing ghosts.)
gabriel_laddel_p: for the record, my "unacceptable behavior" was stating outright that windows has no place near the codebase. nor osx.
mircea_popescu: while im not proposing to ~necessarily~ encourage misbehaviours in soldiers, a poorly disciplined troop is the responsibility of the commanding officer and no one else. so no, i dun think much of the quality of authority over there in this context.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 19:56 jackdaniel: regarding gl, he behaved socially unacceptable on the channel and tracker what was a burden because it introduced many childish plays
mircea_popescu: and re the whole http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707682 let it be stated for the record that self-same gabriel_laddel_p attempted same here, was readily snapped out of it.
gabriel_laddel_p: at which point I was sort of curious what the fuck he did all day at google anyways
mircea_popescu: but it's there, i recall seeing it.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p from their own lists it says it wasn't claimed or something.
gabriel_laddel_p: he saw, with his own eyes the line count for CLIM, and had worked with the browser for several years. we looked at the loc count for chrome & compared.
gabriel_laddel_p: incidentally, I remembered exactly where the demo to google earth guy went off the rails after logging off last night.
gabriel_laddel_p: the author saw it, "whoa, a lispm!"
phf: gabriel_laddel_p: you're moving targets though. if you're building a tmsr linux nobody's going to fault you, but if you're going to approach a bunch of lisp heads with a half assed sbcl environment on a unix machine and tell them it's a "lisp machine", expect nothing but contempt
trinque: read the logs, idiot.
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: I'm telling you it is going to play out like that, and not in another way.
trinque: how do you bridge the gap between your hyperbolic statements about the future of computing and what you just said?
gabriel_laddel_p: now, I am 100% with ascii that floats have to die. no question. I, however, am severely undereducated & don't know what to replace them with.
gabriel_laddel_p: there are however, a number of issues, such as a how to get rid of floats & what to replace them with that can be safely engineered on the unix-not-even-lispm
gabriel_laddel_p: it is unclear at this point what the hardware, real lispm implementation is going to look like & I have months of logs to catch up before I begin to even comment on this
gabriel_laddel_p: specifically, when I say "meet in the middle", a fixed CLIM will run just fine on new tsmr hardware reverse engineered fpga lispm with a minimum amount of fuss
gabriel_laddel_p: an entire, sane lispm-like (which yes, ascii disagrees with) unix can be had, and then this can meet the hardware implementation "in the middle"
trinque: understand that the kernel defines the ways in which userland shall interact with it, and thus shapes userland?
gabriel_laddel_p: no emacs, but rather a CL editor & so forth.
gabriel_laddel_p: this means that all of the Unix tooling can essentially be dumped in favor of lisp + CLIM.
gabriel_laddel_p: all existing CLIM implementations have problems. it is an annoying, irritating, but utterly straightforwards process to fix any of the extant CLIM implementations
asciilifeform: trinque: let the d00d say what he meant
trinque: you do not have a declarative relationship with the future
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:16 gabriel_laddel_p: I rather have the same reaction to the old symbolics people in the area who have now seen masamune after sinking you know, a decade of their lives or so into lispm & then don't buy
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707767 << they want a lispm. not a 'i can't believe it's not a lispm'
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: let's put it this way irrespective of anything any of you say, I say the future is going to look like this:
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: what part of 'no x86, no c, no unix, in the fucking box' is hard to understand?
trinque: how's it gone since then?
gabriel_laddel_p: but you know, invite me to stuff & call me "the lisp machine kid" + insist on my showing it off to their idiot friends
gabriel_laddel_p: I rather have the same reaction to the old symbolics people in the area who have now seen masamune after sinking you know, a decade of their lives or so into lispm & then don't buy
trinque: anyhow infectious gentoo is sitting on my hd, asciilifeform, whoever else bothered. saying so isn't diminishing you having done it as well.
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: apologies. I think this is mostly just that the path forwards is clear to me, and that e.g., you people see a masamune video & ask zero questions I'm mostly left wondering why you even bother pretending you want a lispm
gabriel_laddel_p: I can't quite put my finger on it, but I think we're talking past one another here & have been for some time.
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: if all this is so easy, where is the frozen tsmr gentoo that can do what I described above?
trinque: in the IP sense.
trinque: at any rate, neat, but the hyperbole is not doing you any favors.
gabriel_laddel_p: maybe I overcomplicated things,but wrote in terms of CPIO format then fed into linux kernel from syslinux.
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: it isn't "duplicating the contents of a block device", but rather having that USB able to build itself onto another machine that can in turn generate replication USBs that is the problem
trinque: duplicating the contents of a block device is trivial.
gabriel_laddel_p: incomplete, yes, but there are some fundamental things in CLIM that need to be fixed, such as the notion of a parallel type heigharchy for presentations.
gabriel_laddel_p: anyways, there is a lot more to address in the above log, but I did get the largest McCLIM backers to date to stop funding the effort. One of them bought a masamune.
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: CLIM & ether have nothing to do with one another. you are remembering that I A) completed a bounty and then B) was not paid
gabriel_laddel_p: Separately I also defunded you to an extent, for the simple reason that you have no vision, nor communication ability, nor coding ability, period.
gabriel_laddel_p: It seems rather strange to me that you’re assigning bounties to “bugs” when it is clear that in many cases you have read neither the spec, nor the code, nor have the slightest idea what is even WRONG in the proposed bug.
phf: (but then so is franz's clim2, 150k or so, which i spent significant time with, trying to make heads or tales of its hairy object manipulation code, and that "9 incher" bit is apropos)
mircea_popescu: but then again, my "imo" is the producer's "imo", "imo you should be able to take that 9 incher up your ass, i've seen plenty of girls do it before." "that exact one ?" "well no" "up this exact ass ?" "well, you're new." "SO THEN!" "face down ass up already, time's money."
mircea_popescu: that's not even terribru. imo within "with-own-hands" territory, especially if there's readily ablatable low hanging fruit.
phf: it's actually pretty small. 150k or so if you don't count the dependencies. i believe that the mcclim team has pulled a bunch of builtin compatability layers and replaced them with portable "community" versions i.e. closer-mop instead of builtin mop facility (metaobject protocol for dealing with CLOS classes), etc.
mircea_popescu: your notion that you can be a person outside of the wot is you know, exactly like cumdumpster bimbo's notion anyone notices, cares, or recalls.
mircea_popescu: that's also by definition. we actually don't attach identity to ghosts, liberally confuse them with each other, treat them as "a different" ghost whatever.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 17:41 fyr: to take on the liability of "don't lose this file or you'll get much more reputational harm than just not registering in the first place"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707469 << afaik this isn't supported by either theory or practice. the harm is exactly same. besides, what'd the negative harm attach to ? the lost identity can't confirm the losing by definition, and a different identity can't attach anything to the original also by definition. so...
mircea_popescu: what's the loc count on this thing btw ? anyone has it ? submn ? supermn ?
trinque: phf: I had a recent thread with the beach character in which "yeah, nobody knows what gadgets are for, can probably go" and so on.
mircea_popescu: he'll end up counting colored beads in boise, idaho and wondering why jc is following anyone to the toilet for the asking.
phf: i'm not sure if mcclim can be "made better" by own hands, but i'm not interested in the direction the bounty team is taking it. i agree with ascii, but i think it could be attempted to reduce it to absolute minimum of moving parts, to establish if the design is fundamentally limited or not.
mircea_popescu: twelve year old boy gets a bike because otherwise the cool kids won't let him hang with them ; and if they do not his whole fucking life is forfeit, as a factual matter.
mircea_popescu: (but yes, the reason i even looked irrespective of that being on the table was the involved complexity and the expectation you're not actually speaking from atop it)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'outer case limit' is somewhat of an oversimplification : the thing fitsinhead so poorly, that to this day i am not fully certain why so abominably slow ( other than the abstract fact of 5-6 layers of complexity doing their impedance-mismatch thing together )
phf: aah, now i get the whole thing
mircea_popescu: (if you're interested by the literalism, "for merit" is one of two ways in which a case can be adjudicated. the other one is on form, such as through lack of standing, lack of jurisdiction, etcetera.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doesn't support it because he doesn't like the outer case limits of the design, esp re speed. i am not supporting it because i do not have any faith whatsoever in its financial soundness. you aren't supporting it because hm.
phf: i'm not understanding the second half of that sentence
mircea_popescu: phf basically what i take his notion to be re the problem is you know, "i'll just mp it", which may seem like a workable idea until one stops to notice that the original mp never actually attempted to guess prices.
jackdaniel: either way, thanks for inviting me so I could confirm/clarifiy some assesments about me. Have a nice evening o/
jackdaniel: no, I'm not that interested in cryptocurriencies to think about them much
jackdaniel: regarding gl, he behaved socially unacceptable on the channel and tracker what was a burden because it introduced many childish plays
mircea_popescu: the question is, are you familiar with the mechanisms which render bitcoin unassailable by alt coins (such as detailed in http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ ) ? because EXACTLY the same processes are at work tearing apart small independent efforts such as your own, and ultimately are the reason usg ended up as the sole employer in its domains.
jackdaniel: sorry, I'm quite busy now. I've read the log – yes, bounties are arbitrary, or as someone nicely put it "pulled out of ass" by me
mircea_popescu: had you $1,429,500 for bounties, would the per-quanta payment increase ? maybe to 11 ? 20 ? 100 ?
mircea_popescu: let's try. so at the moment you have $1,429 for bounties ; let's say the average bounty pays 10 dollars per quanta of "computer work", however defined.
mircea_popescu: would having more money at your disposal put an inflationary pressure on bounty levels ? ie, for "same work" (admitting for a moment there's such a thing as work-needed scalar) more money ? conversely, encountering headwinds/making little progress over time/decelerating would deflate bounties ?
mircea_popescu: let me put this question into the model of interest :
jackdaniel: then I consult with guys on #clim if my assesments are okaish
mircea_popescu: jackdaniel so a major item of curiosity for me is how do you calculate the bounty values ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if wall burial, put it near steel struts and other large rf-opaques
mircea_popescu: jackdaniel dja know any of the fellows ? asciilifeform ? phf ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 17:32 fyr: Afaict the whole point of the nickserv pgp thing is I can't come in a month later all "my laptop finally died of blunt impact trauma, accept new unsigned pubkey pl0x"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707437<< nickserv and "pgp thing" entirely different items. simple scheme to avoid this problem is, sign your future keyset now, keep it as a single copy in a usb thumb buried in your wall. then when laptop dies pick the new one.
phf: (i kind of missed the question, but also didn't understand it, so will clarify, that i'm not supporting recent mcclim development, financially or otherwise)
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 19:14 phf: jack daniel or whatever his name (ECL guy, who's working on CLIM) made actual progress on the codebase (though some percent of it is wracker work) despite and since being condemned by g_l. i'm not quite sure what g_l did meanwhile..
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707563 << nickserv and "pgp thing" entirely different items. simple scheme to avoid this problem is, sign your future keyset now, keep it as a single copy in a usb thumb buried in your wall. then when laptop dies pick the new one.
mircea_popescu: they don't even have to be total country bumpkins, even a non-yokel would really love to live in washington!
mircea_popescu: can pretty much exactly follow "civilised" inferiority complex by what they whine re "corruption" in orcs.
mircea_popescu: im sure if ian smith's wife was hot as opposed to one of the anglo-dutch looking bags they'd have said the same.