asciilifeform: the main routine of interest is FZ_Mod_Exp .
trinque: asciilifeform: I'll give it a crank on the ppc iron I have laying around; I think you requested that at some point
BingoBoingo: And Cuban is in unfortunate position of having to keep his fortune by running his bouncy ball team as a business, while everyone else runs theirs as a hobby
mircea_popescu: which is i suppose the moral little girls learn out of watchingt the trade press : your future is as a whore ; will be paid TO LEAVE.
asciilifeform: note also that the calling style from early versions will not work, there is no longer a .Z , FZ is not a struct any moar, it is just a word array
asciilifeform: ( the karatsubatron now demands it )
mircea_popescu: devil himself knows not the mind of man.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: AHA, anyways. My suspicion is that this attack is along the lines of the Belleville terrorist who shot Congressional baseball practice claiming he was going to fix the tax brackets. Dude prolly was a pantsuit fan and figured anyone who'd go to "new country" festival is trump voter.
asciilifeform: trinque: should be in the l0gz somewhere
trinque: is the whole ffa posted anywhere?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> apparently pro-trump d00d << And why quarantined. "us vs them" is great marketing
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i don't think this segmentation carries any water. it's not "workingclass or officeclass". it's not country or pop or rap or anything else. it's born before 1990 or not. << Jason Aldean is a "new country" act. Quarantined from both Country and other post-1990.
mircea_popescu: branson himself doesn't wanna be rich, as proven by the fact that whenever he almost gets rich, he blows it away.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-18 23:54 asciilifeform: is the 'obvious 2x speedup' alluded to earlier.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i dun see any particular reason to swallow the Official story << I am surprised official story is not about the inequality of heights which provided a priviledged vantage point for shooter
a111: Logged on 2017-09-20 02:01 asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform found that 1) knuthian division can be sped up by ANOTHER factor of 2, by walking the bits of the quotient instead of shifting'em 2) barrett reduction in constant time is almost certainly possible
mircea_popescu: plenty of these all around.
mircea_popescu: moreover -- branson is exactly another version of socialist state - krysha'd pseudo-entrepreneur, exactly like http://trilema.com/2014/lets-do-mark-cuban/
mircea_popescu: eh wtf's his name, the one who sold some sports entertaining thing to yahoo and has been posturing as "entrepreneur" ever since.
mircea_popescu: moreover -- branson is exactly another version of socialist state - krysha'd pseudo-entrepreneur, exactly like
mircea_popescu: except the photog is not rich. well, not monetarily, anyway.
mircea_popescu: and self-same boyfriend proposed that prop #1 (his gf, with the tits) sit so and so with prop #2 (his client, with the gray hair) so HIS picture comes out good. which it did.
mircea_popescu: sadly the story behind that is that denni parkinson was there with HER BOYFRIEND, who's some photog there to shoot some bs about branson's hobby (some kind of new and improved surfing)
mircea_popescu: superficially, the dude is doing it right.
mircea_popescu: it's very problematic, all this. consider the (correctly labeled!) illustration of branson : https://elaineou.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/denni-parkinson-nude-richard-branson-island-2050764615.jpg
mircea_popescu: the open question, of course, is whether associating with the actually rich, with the flauntingly rich, with the actually poor or with the pretend poor (such as you know, us pantsuit) is the better approach to not-staying-poor.
mircea_popescu absolutely doubts wanna-be in the "spam fake acounts" game known as "online dating" actually contains anything but borroed pictures spit-jointed to bad prose written by a (male) grad student somewhere.
mircea_popescu: and re sv sexism, from the same source : https://elaineou.com/2014/10/07/100-percent-women/
ben_vulpes: i have nfi in re the skin tone makeup of tallahasse
trinque: I struggle to remember the last time I saw a white person behind the counter at waterburger
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: and in other bwahahahas,
ben_vulpes: in other brazen disregardz: https://www.fastcasual.com/news/eeoc-sues-whataburger-over-directive-to-hire-only-white-applicants/
diana_coman: asciilifeform, ah, if you meant latin letters then I guess most of mine are "anglo" in this sense, yes; prolly just 2 or so actually Russian
mircea_popescu: (topless girl bridge tournament is great because of the old lady player problem. which is, there's this subclass of player, often looking like dame olivier, who are VERY fucking tight players. this is great for them, as they usually win or at least place well, but terrible for the game, as it becomes dry.)
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, eh, there is that re playing
asciilifeform: afaik nobody makes paper cards in heathendom , not for half century
mircea_popescu can't stand non-standard decks for eg bridge. if you wanna gawk, have the partner topless.
asciilifeform: i dun have anglodeck either.
diana_coman: hm, now that you mention it I realise I do not have even one single anglo-deck of cards actually in the house, lol
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the anglos, fwiw, have what i suspect is the world's ugliest standardized (and it is astonishingly standardized) deck of cards. iirc ~unchanged from shakespeare's time
mircea_popescu: where do you suppose those ended up ion the us from.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, fwiw re deck of cards the way I found that fake one was basically through a Russian who saw&bought it because it reminded HIM of the original deck of cards of his grandfather who was of the type self-exiled to France
asciilifeform: the penalty for not buying chinese liquishit, via the approved import channels, is strict.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman it'd matter a lot more if the actual handling cost weren't ~100 ECu or so per package.
diana_coman: Mail, but no. You may now enjoy handling the item all the way back to America, at your own cost."
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719440 - interestingly enough re uk vat for us "imports" I got passed on this snippet, apparently published in the spectator too: "I recently ordered a pair of wire strippers from the USA at a cost of £14.07. Two weeks later I received a demand for £3.90 duty and VAT, plus a Royal Mail 'handling fee' of £8. The latter struck me as an awful lot of handling for a small tool. Thank you, Royal
asciilifeform: incidentally i fully expect that screensavers ( in the 1990s sense of the word ) will soon come back : crapple et al finally went to oled ( luminophor-based display, sorta like flat crt but with even faster burn in, mtbf ~2years )
mircea_popescu: if it's not for you, why importune the world.
mircea_popescu: here's a great idea : the best way to "Screensave" is by NOT FUCKING BUYING ONE.
mircea_popescu: and in other "the consumer is still using the computer as a screensaver" lulz, https://thecryptochat.net/
mircea_popescu: and in other wetware spun content lulz, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4935506/Feds-nab-one-dark-web-s-largest-drug-dealers.html
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ < random nobodies with a mention on trilema
mircea_popescu: "positive pr" indeed, what, from the likes of Caleb Crain and his "husband" Peter Terzian ? noty.
mircea_popescu: on the lengthy long road to discovering that no, nobody wants zher here there or absolutely anywhere.
mircea_popescu: "But the Bi-Mart Willamette Country Music Festivalor BMWCMF as it will be henceforth referred toclearly does not care about positive PR. In that way, the BMWCMF is unlike any music festival Ive ever been to. It also perfectly embodies Oregon as it exists outside of Portland: rural, rugged, and rude. Attempting to acquire a media pass feels more like haggling with a stranger on Craigslist." << jews' first little step
ben_vulpes: vegas is hard to pin down demographically, as it's just the projection of a particular multidimensional entertainment megacorp through our plane, so you're just as likely to run into tourists not even from this plane as you are say dentists from las cruces or 'hft guyz' from nyc
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: in my backwards-ass neck of the woods, it's practically a family affair: http://www.portlandmercury.com/feature/2017/09/27/19346945/song-of-the-red-states
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is going to be affected by a naked slut in a bar getting fucked or w/e they did
asciilifeform: 'The 2 time ACM Entertainer of the Year Award winner has sold 15 million albums and has 17 #1 songs! “With all the albums we’ve done, we’ve always taken our own path and not thought about what everyone else is doing,” says Jason Aldean.'
asciilifeform: lol google front already has the oblig sadface
mircea_popescu: google jason aldean. there's his personal site, searches for spouse and his lulzy kids preloaded, songs (on youtube, fo course) linked.
asciilifeform: the police photos dun offer a clear answer re 'post-1990 or not', imho
asciilifeform: i'ma defer to the culturally clued folx ( BingoBoingo , trinque , ben_vulpes ) re who likely was in the culling field.
mircea_popescu: if yes, there's no office and there's no work and there's no anything else. there's strictly the ipad and hopefully lead.
mircea_popescu: well who the fuck goes to an open air concert, besides mobile poor people.
asciilifeform: and also from where didja get the notion that 'culled millenials' ?
mircea_popescu: ie, drumming up support for the war on terror etc ?
mircea_popescu: what, is your construction here that las vegas hospitals and funeral parlors have revived the ancient frontier practice of paying drunks to create work for them ?
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine who could possibly be arsed to eat the cost of culling the worthless millenials. that an old man undertakes it is very much in the vein of what old age is all about.
asciilifeform: i dun see any particular reason to swallow the Official story
asciilifeform: i.e. scapegoat, picked from intel's list of old men nobody will esp. notice; meanwhile maidan sniper squad culled the culls
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in one of those rare examples of youth not being wasted on the young, http://68.media.tumblr.com/eaa45c186f01e7a30c279a9234dff8a7/tumblr_nr3hc7TyS01r87thuo1_500.gif
asciilifeform: 'Law enforcement has no "derogatory information" about Paddock, besides the fact that he received a citation several years ago that was handled in the court system, Lombardo said.'
mircea_popescu: "Hey, I would have bought it HERE if it EXISTED, you know? It sucks to have to import cool stuff from half way around the world, yes, but how does it follow then that one also has to *pay locals* for their failing to have the cool stuff locally?" << this is a rather important point.
asciilifeform: according to beobachter, one 'Stephen Paddock... ...64, was found dead in his room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas when a police SWAT team broke down the door. Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said authorities believe Paddock killed himself.... Paddock had a private pilot's license and the FAA is gathering his records, according to FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown. So far, authorities have found no military rec
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719544 << might consider linking http://deedbot.org/deed-487885-4.txt in the memo field of your invoice
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 10:42 BingoBoingo: 50+ killed, 200 plus wounded in Floor 32, Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, Nevada shooting during Jason ALdean concert credited by the noise mill to Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nevada
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719420 << btw complete with the Magically Evaporating Multiple Shooters
mircea_popescu: "take the solidus, go somewhere where q. robur grows and the tits are fistfilling, settle down and relax already."
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the legionnaire's dream is the one most enduring roman contribution to modern world.
mircea_popescu: that's antique! classical theatre is this 1500 florentine thing.
diana_coman: oh, classical theatre made me think of...antigona and I was racking my brains
mircea_popescu: the barber of seville, the merchant of venice, the taming of the shrew, all, all "mistaken identity" / commedia dell'arte consists of this and nothing else but this : "here's how life reclaims the money bags"
mircea_popescu: consider though : 100% of classical theatre is "old guy retiring (with good money obv!) with either young wife being a whore or else hot daughter being a slut".
diana_coman: must be the legionnaire florentine brits-only ; but yes, makes sense
asciilifeform: seems like brits have the worst of 2 worlds -- 1stworld prices, 3rdworld realestate
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is it british lol.
diana_coman: money obv!) in a poor country and watching the sun setting just as the local economy sets too - it sounds as if they managed the setting part right at home
diana_coman: asciilifeform> diana_coman: as one who lives 20min from the fuhrerbunker, asciilifeform is not someone to lecture folx on 'time to move'. but i dun think anybody could ~pay~ me enuff to live in rotherhamistan... <-- on one hand most non-brits here (and yeah, it's an area with some 25%+ non-brits) anyway are a positive thing overall; on the other hand there is this (been repeatedly told) very British dream of retiring (with good
mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/poO3G/?raw=true << the item. because FUCKING TOTALLY, if i'm running whores in cairo i'm gonna be so totally impressed with some two bit sargent major he's not only not getting shot, but ima do what he says! guess who's changing who here!!11
asciilifeform looks at his desk, and finds, other than FGs, 1 and only 1 object made in usa -- the ibm keyboard, circa 1982
diana_coman: come to think of it: the deck of cards! lol
diana_coman: admittedly, not much (if any, hmm) from the USA
diana_coman: I got plenty of packages otherwise and never had to pay such a thing
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'post service' i suppose is 'the fine service of searching through packages an' pilfering'
mircea_popescu: the idea there is that people in a north africa military prison give so much of a shit about the crown & all they actually do what told!
asciilifeform: british are famous for this kind of thing for 300yrs, neh, this is as much a surprise as the dozen+ mosquito bites on asciilifeform's leg
mircea_popescu: in related news, i turned off a horrifying bad piece of british propaganda yest, "the hill" with sean connery.
asciilifeform: holyfuq that's > the postage
mircea_popescu: does the queen's own asshole dilate with inflation in those lands too ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, re "why would he do that" - I don't think there is a why; what to do with it comes afterwards anyway
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's ok, i dunno who else could be paid enough to live in the swamp.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: as one who lives 20min from the fuhrerbunker, asciilifeform is not someone to lecture folx on 'time to move'. but i dun think anybody could ~pay~ me enuff to live in rotherhamistan...
mircea_popescu: this is the constant lulz, asking "what was he thinking". what the fuck, if he were thinking he'd be working at the post office ?
asciilifeform: one time, in 2000s, asciilifeform bought a mk61 classic sov calculator from a d00d in ru. came in, noshit, old-school wooden crate, everything intact, manuals, etc. BUT the power brick -- snippycutted off.
mircea_popescu: "oh it will be discovered". what the fuck does he care ? by the time it's discovered he's either dead, inside anyway for "drug bust" or otherwise, you know, MADE IT IN THIS GAME
diana_coman: so dunno, having so many enoughs and eating them, might be I got fat
diana_coman: asciilifeform, re britanistan I'm still searching for the essence of my deep problem that keeps me here; but historically it comes after having enough of Italy after having enough of France after having enough (more than enough!!!) of Ro
mircea_popescu: the answer, however, is obvious -- random convict couldn't, literally, give less of a shit.
mircea_popescu: girls were mindblown, "why the fuck would anyone do this".
asciilifeform: could be in one zimbabwestan, could be in other.
asciilifeform: how to even tell where on the route, stole.
mircea_popescu: eh, su is no better. in recent memory they stole camera, resealed package, sent it along.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the 1 time i sent a ( precursor to fg ) to ro, it took... what, 6 wks ? and ~0 of the original wrapping remained iirc
diana_coman: asciilifeform, got the "ultimate deck" from the US indeed, in...wholly time, 2013!! http://www.dianacoman.com/blog/2013/03/10/notite-disparate-despre-nimic-anume/
asciilifeform: and yeah i did assume that diana_coman read the Framedragger l0gz, knew that the british brazenly molest and kidnap parcels
asciilifeform: same, i suspect, era, suggested also by the degree of yellow
asciilifeform: lollterior, with them pikes an' swords
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i heard it originally in the hotel trade, "if guest calls desk at 3am to ask for a cucumber, the only acceptable question is how large"
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 15:13 mircea_popescu once interviewed girly, towards the outer edge of age limit, who had spent those years in office drone training. what she got for it was 0 independent thought or capacity of action, nothing left of natural curiosity or sensuality, overall horrible fit. but the thing is she declared, as her own self-image, that she's the sorta gal which, told to jump, merely wants to know how high.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719454 << iirc the original americanism was 'shit ? tellme what colour'
mircea_popescu: cruciform see also http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-one/#comment-118639 http://trilema.com/2013/regarding-money/#comment-122988 etc
cruciform: I've been reading the logs, and my head hurts
mircea_popescu: somehow people could watch fargo and not call the national guard to salt the fucking place where it stood.
mircea_popescu: two pass responsens such as "how's it going" -?-> "great" end ; -?-> !"great" "just $x ? not great ?" is already SO FUCKUING CREATIVE OMG it belongs in like the movies.
mircea_popescu: "how's it going" "great" ; "here's that X" "thank you" and a few others. maybe a dozen ? maybe three dozen for you know, super-duper VIP CTO CEO etc. that's the whole model.
mircea_popescu: the other as a single-pass state machine, "if he says X then he's in state 1 you say Y, if he says Q you say Z, ... , if he says T you say G and that's the whole list of interaction".
diana_coman: exactly, push this button get that response and if you want another response, tweak a bit and there it goes out
mircea_popescu: maybe. i don't think it was anything deeper than just the response, tbh.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, presumably want to know how high in order to write it down on the to-do list or some such; it's a world of words, what else is there anyway other than words
mircea_popescu: they actually think themselves human, for reasons that've nothing to do with anything above and beyond a waxed cylinder reproducing human speech.
mircea_popescu: phraseology she no doubt picked off some "conference" or whatever they call the corporation-organized "social life" for the drones. and she actually believed this.
mircea_popescu once interviewed girly, towards the outer edge of age limit, who had spent those years in office drone training. what she got for it was 0 independent thought or capacity of action, nothing left of natural curiosity or sensuality, overall horrible fit. but the thing is she declared, as her own self-image, that she's the sorta gal which, told to jump, merely wants to know how high.
mircea_popescu: as far as idiot mind is concerned, they "tried" and "went above and beyond" but "sadly".
mircea_popescu: i don't mean, the complete list, from "don't route my emails through fucking atlanta so they can be arrested in rem, imbecile, especially not if you advertise nationalist lithuania or w/e the fuck, scammer" to "don't give away my harddrives to schmucks, what the fuck is wrong with you".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and besides, i'll bet you bitcoin to donuts they DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG.
mircea_popescu: shinohai that's ok, i'd rather grow an amateur beard.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 14:49 mircea_popescu: the culling of the lot millenial is long overdue as it is. hopefully the rest of the 60yos understand their past mistakes and proceed to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713736
mircea_popescu: there's not very much else LEFT is the point. should actual people take up the above http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-02#1719437 and should they complete a few hundred million executions, we'd discover that... we can't even fucking tell.
asciilifeform: lulzily, asciilifeform spent ~whole weekend dealing with ~exactly same picture re a box in the saeculum.
asciilifeform: aha. we complained, they listened!111!
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 16:24 Framedragger: re. FUCKGOATS customs hold-up in UK: according to their story the hold-up with uk customs was due to them having to apply import duty (had to pay a bit) from u.s., *even though* i've had plenty of shit sent in from u.s. of a. before, so who knows (they wouldn't tell me more) :D
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 19:24 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713729 << this is not even a correct statement. more properly "i will desist killing all my offspring before gestation completes if and only if my sovereign right to kill them at any time is socially recognized".
mircea_popescu: the culling of the lot millenial is long overdue as it is. hopefully the rest of the 60yos understand their past mistakes and proceed to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713736
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 10:42 BingoBoingo: 50+ killed, 200 plus wounded in Floor 32, Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, Nevada shooting during Jason ALdean concert credited by the noise mill to Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nevada
diana_coman: ah, I was thinking more post/blog style I guess; anyways, I'll link to log then I suppose
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 16:24 Framedragger: re. FUCKGOATS customs hold-up in UK: according to their story the hold-up with uk customs was due to them having to apply import duty (had to pay a bit) from u.s., *even though* i've had plenty of shit sent in from u.s. of a. before, so who knows (they wouldn't tell me more) :D
diana_coman: Framedragger, did you ever publish somewhere re the customs fee you had to pay for your fg(s)?
BingoBoingo: 50+ killed, 200 plus wounded in Floor 32, Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, Nevada shooting during Jason ALdean concert credited by the noise mill to Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nevada
mircea_popescu: make it a day then ? 24h ?
mircea_popescu: so basically, as long as you're not getting in excess of 10k calls per however long they expire, you don't really have a problem.
trinque: the same 4 digits will only show up again if a previous deposit for that amount has been completed
trinque: hadn't decided yet, but I'm fine with it being quite long. ideally the deposit_request table doesn't fill up with bunk requests.
mircea_popescu: how long does the link last ?
trinque: there's only a single address, and the generated deposit amount is what links any inbound transactions to their account.
trinque: in the longstanding tradition of republican payments, deedbot thanks you for your donation. or put more kindly, I don't want to keep a list of names and people's addresses; deposit amounts are meant to identify a person only at a point in time.
mircea_popescu: trinque what happens if i send the payment twice ?
trinque: I don't like writing functions that try to figure out what kind of inputs they were handed. (and I write lisp, even)
trinque: mircea_popescu: another thing to note is you asked to be able to pay arbitrary addresses. can do, but I much prefer that be done with !!withdraw rather than !!pay. otherwise I'm stuck worrying about whether some person registers an address as nick.
trinque: isn't locked to this channel at the moment.
mircea_popescu: well how would they even use it.
trinque: I might not be inclined to hold money for folks that have been severely negrated by enough of the lordship.
trinque: I haven't put anything into place, but it's interesting to consider how the wot and access to wallet might interact.
mircea_popescu: recall when alf got fined like what was it, 1 btc ? for spamming the chan ?
mircea_popescu: so what are ppl gonna do, fill your queue with junk then get negrated ? not much of a plan.
trinque: depending on the level of trust I put in freenode
mircea_popescu: trinque why is the two step thing needed again ?
trinque: nah it's all there
trinque: when given the right count of parameters
trinque removes the "upcoming"
trinque: units aren't needed there
mircea_popescu: trinque soo, can i pay these ?
trinque: lobbes: checked out the commands already?
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-10-02 03:16:09: <lobbes> also to note that going forward, all BTC payments will be done through the deedbot wallet service. If someone wants to pay via that method, let me know and I'll generate the invoice
trinque: I'm over here working on the thing
BingoBoingo: Allegedly his brother Donald still lives for some definition of living
BingoBoingo: In other media: Si Newhouse (Conde Nast) dead, finally
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, both boxes on same hoster. One unplugged promptly, other curiously still connected despite overt raep overtures..
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( dulap -- believe or not -- is still up... ) << Prolly because the haet speak on dulap doesn't look like itself to the uninitiated.
asciilifeform: the funniest bit is that anybody who spends a few $10k to find sha1 collision, can take it one step further and make a valid subkey for asciilifeform's, or mircea_popescu's, etc. key
asciilifeform: ( anybody can lift a modulus from one place, and drop it in another, so this kind of 'graffiti' is trivial )
shinohai: Perhaps will come to pass when the app gets submitted.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: make sure you take the version marked 'update:'
asciilifeform: ( nor anything else, it's just the arithm. routines. )
asciilifeform: you will notice that koch's rng atrocity ain't in there.
asciilifeform: which you then link against.
asciilifeform: ( initially i was building for the mips cpu of the original protocardano, and hence EVERYTHING that could be thrown out --- was )
diana_coman: will let you know; in any case, crapple is not of much concern to s.mg ; players can crapple if they want to
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform possibly needed by people trying to compile mac client. not otherwise.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: my mpi builds on all platforms, but on crapple requires a 1ln fix in the make
diana_coman appreciates very well that part with "astonishingly painful to properly saw off the kochball" after this past year of sawing off ps shit
asciilifeform: see also the linked article, for pedantic list of what was cut and why.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman looks like the place to drill yeah.
asciilifeform: ditches the asmolade, various redundancies, automakeisms
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the item is currently plaintext ; i would like to have at least the forms of correctness.
asciilifeform: i won't put my signature on a leaking rsatron. but i also grasp 'go to war with the shovel you have', we're for instance still using rotten ol' gpg.
mircea_popescu: and yes, rsa properly examined did turn out to be a lot more work, and a lot more stacked shit papered over in the imperial usage, than originally thought.
diana_coman: fwiw I do see where asciilifeform is coming from and esp re leaking keys but at the same time can't stall eulora on this either, so some sort of thing will have to be cobbled together at best as it can be atm
a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 22:14 mircea_popescu: course since the nsa consulting work for minigame is going to produce ada rsa, it might be an idea to have an ~ada~ tmsr crypto lib.
mircea_popescu: for the historically inclined : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-06#1515745 ; http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591437 are prolly the relevant anchors for this discussion.
diana_coman: neah, not the chat really, though merchant works atm via cli/chat so there would be that presumably
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ideally chat will move to irc altogether.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, there is more info than just movements being passed between client and server
asciilifeform: side q : for what does eulora even need crypto ? authentication - i can see, needs. but the movements of the players are theoretically public, neh?
asciilifeform: ideally not, you'd have bus, adder in 1 chip, shifter in other, etc
asciilifeform: how close this item is, even optimistically, depends on whether it could fit in ice40-8k.
mircea_popescu: at least from a theoretical pov.
mircea_popescu: s.mg oif course assumes 0 liability to accounts lost through the process of leaking keys.
asciilifeform continues the very slow and painful walk through most of undergrad number theory that leads, possibly, to usable nonleaking rsa on pc.
mircea_popescu: what i got is what i got, and that's what the community in turn gets, and when it has a better idea -- implementation it is one comment out away.
mircea_popescu: the only item ready to go in is in fact koch's, and so he gets imported.
mircea_popescu: need was correctly identified year+ in advance ; the fact work is ongoing is no solace -- something must go in, and it will go in now.
mircea_popescu: since the client is intended to dissolve into competing community-driven implementations anyway, i don't expect to even be involved in weighing that maybe.
mircea_popescu: but basically, the only practical approach here is to actually import the gpg implementation, warts and all, but modularily, and see later maybe it can be swapped out.
asciilifeform does not know ~anything about how eulora goes together, cannot comment in detail
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in any case the implementation will be isolated, so that one can swap his preferred item in.
mircea_popescu: in any case the problem is that i'll have to design some kind of extender, can't do pure rsa throughout because of the sheer load. there's multiple messages/sec
mircea_popescu: well, players are problematic. they might download the game and wait for a few hours to get a key going. then again they might not. nobody's waiting for a week tho, i don't expect.
asciilifeform: that's still quite slow vs. heathen rsa.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is a barrettian ( theoretically 1s/4096 ) rsatron, usable ?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-20 16:25 asciilifeform: in other noose, ACHTUNG, panzers, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/BAjEK/?raw=true << 27.2 sec (4096b modexp)