ben_vulpes: in tangential lulz, one of the "children rescused in fbi child trafficking sting", touted as an "18 month old, rescued from sex trafficking!" was in fact hooker's baby and is now a state ward
asciilifeform: but, horrors, what if you haven't got a wife! whatthen!
ben_vulpes: next they'll want wife's signature to lease hookers
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ianal but i was under the impression that anything within nato reich with yer name on it somewhere, is Officially confiscatable
mircea_popescu: those circumstances being that they are so fucking touchy about woman not getting all that she possibly could alloted her by divorce court.
mircea_popescu: yes, but let the empire of Named Things carry its own struggles.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes at least name it Preemptive Asset Hiding Corporation For Use In Later Divorce Proceedings To Circumvent Governmental Attempts At Nationalization And Assorted Activist Judge Idiocy And Also To Make Sure The Dumb Fucking Whore And Her Repugnant Spawn Fucking Starve, Inc.
ben_vulpes: "baby, it is moments like this that i sincerely regret not just signing a declaration and broadcasting it to the republic"
mircea_popescu: im kinda hoping they reintroduce the "village community". want you to buy a car, ask first the мир for permission.
ben_vulpes: DON'T SIGN THE PAPERS
mircea_popescu: apparently if you're a free market individualist without any regard for "the state", you're suspekt. news at 11 i guess.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz of all time, a terribly bad test "for fascism" gives me 43%, ie fellow-traveller status.
asciilifeform: 'Romania fucked up literally everything in World War 2. They lost Transylvania to their allies. The Romanian government hated Jews, tried to exterminate them, but then realized that their economy couldn’t survive without them. '
mircea_popescu: but yes, back to it, by the time tmsr has its own isp it will have become more of an actual country than say romania. the eu member.
mircea_popescu: they "create" the "environment" for "Government digital communications". ie, like nsa issues trump a smarthphone, sms issued my mother an email or w/e.
asciilifeform: 'STS = roughly equivalent to a combination of the American NSA and NRO, the STS also manages the emergency number (112) dispatch centers' >> waiwat
asciilifeform: or was that another avoidable crash
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform transylvania, all of it, is the largest part of both the kingdom of hungary and the kingdom of romania. it was part of both for about equal intervals, and also independent for a while
asciilifeform: in other lollamatics, https://kingofromania.com/2014/02/08/with-friends-like-these-who-needs-enemies/ >> 'With Basescu’s personal and enthusiastic blessing, the FBI operates a field office in Bucharest with dozens of agents' etc
asciilifeform: https://kingofromania.com/2015/11/22/the-odessa-tales-pt-2/ << asciilifeform found interesting.
asciilifeform: https://kingofromania.com/2017/08/09/why-do-romanians-hate-and-fear-russia/ << in other lulz from link
mircea_popescu: "Therefore, its pretty obvious that a handful of Moldovan avitation enthusiasts were better informed and had a better grasp of the strategic situation than the entire Romanian government."
asciilifeform: these yes, landsknecht et al
mircea_popescu: there was such a thing as a professional solider, let's put it this way. as a class.
mircea_popescu: turks had them, for instance.
mircea_popescu: of course they did.
mircea_popescu: signed up in the way afghan signed up to use us provided weapons to defend "us interests".
mircea_popescu: not in the slightest.
asciilifeform: signed up the way d00d who steps off cliff, signs up to splat
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "signed up". greeks signed up for repaying debts when they took money, lol.
mircea_popescu: p the "valuable" resorts.
mircea_popescu: hey, the euros are retarded. they end up footing the bill for usg red pseudomilitary adventures in the middle east via hosting refugees (hey, when's the last time anyone sent 10 mn syrians to live in new fucking york, instead of germany, france etc ?) and for usg blue pseudodiplomatic misadventure in the shape of paying more for gas, selling less machinery and total real estate collapse because no more russki suckers to buy u
mircea_popescu: so an exaggeration, but not that substantial. like saying "nobody in the us uses yahoo mail"
mircea_popescu: well... the 20something hos tried in the early 2010s, which is how i ended up sucked in.
mircea_popescu: in other "independence" lulz, https://kingofromania.com/2017/08/02/rogozin-vs-romania/
mircea_popescu: but the relation is apt, the whole drum bun is quite it, "may you make it back out" sorta thing.
asciilifeform: mega-song, there's even a ru
mircea_popescu: if there is i dunno it.
asciilifeform: but is there a ro ?
asciilifeform: american occupation soldiers in jp were taught, Officially, to say 'don't touch the moustache' <-> どういたしまして (dou itashimashite) - 'you're welcome'
asciilifeform: that's almost as good as 'bread of the sieve cable' <-> 'бред сивой кобылы'
mircea_popescu: in similar lulz, the badea cirtan market in timisoara was officially known as "bad curtain".
mircea_popescu: "If you speak English and see the expression drum bun your mind conjures up a musical instrument for striking out rhythms combined with some kind of light bread style pastry and it makes NO SENSE." << bwahahaha
asciilifeform: he had a page about the 'drum bun' army march
shinohai: Good to see females that have control of the mic
mircea_popescu: aaand in other public speaking, http://78.media.tumblr.com/fd52e61509cb29720d1dc1f550c49997/tumblr_nmnvgglu9v1tatbbfo1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: and in other wowz, check out felipelalli : https://yeppudaproductions.wordpress.com/2016/02/05/a-importancia-do-bitcoin-otc-wot/
phf: shinohai: i suspect you're paying a bit of premium for various audio junk on that mac box and the whole "production ready"
shinohai likes the high-tech boxfan cooling system
shinohai: https://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/sys/d/150-mh-rx-470-ethereum-mining/6352367772.html <<< lulzy post from same
phf: "TypeError: undefined is not an object (evaluating 'window.crypto.subtle.generateKey')" well there's that..
asciilifeform: same people as insert their bank acct # to 'check if stolen'
mircea_popescu: depends. would it have been featured on the atlantic ?
asciilifeform: betcha a phuctor-flavoured www that invites idjit to 'insert privkey for inspection for weak' would get ~something~ in the basket at the end of the day
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the french have this communist issue. nato or no nato, during the 70s it had gotten so bad they were not even included in intel briefing.
asciilifeform: in other reichlulz, 'Marlène Schiappa, France’s gender equality minister (yes, that’s a thing), has proposed putting forward a bill in parliament that would fine people for engaging in street harassment — including aggressive catcalls.'
mircea_popescu: actually, it does, yes. that's what the republic is : the construction of the guarantee that if enemy exists, he is dumb.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-13 17:47 mircea_popescu: but anyway, apparently taking a few heads here and there creates exactly no conception of own vulnerability in the rest of the heads.
mircea_popescu: see also http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ or http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1725084 etc
asciilifeform: they're what, a $1.
asciilifeform: idea is not 'magical camera, catches everything' but to turn the enemy's own psychosis against himself : now ~any~ ventilation hole, in any side of any iron, could theoretically be pinhole cam.
asciilifeform: it'd be part of any design where asciilifeform fills a cabinet with own hands and locks the door.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what is this, are you being an alien. the eyes in your own box don't see your mouth in your own box do they ?
mircea_popescu: what i'm saying is that i don;t know this being part of the design.
mircea_popescu: ianae, maybe there's places where they'll mount your camera opposite if you ask. i wouldn't really add it to the disqualifier list.
mircea_popescu: not necessarily a bad idea, but afaik nobody put it into the floor design.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726728 << i know of no place which offers proper mounts for this. because understand, there's no ad-hoc anything on dc floor.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: every once in a while, they beg/buy/borrow/steal something authored by actual people
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 13:18 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726675 << 'filter out the strange' is the naive usg av 'industry' nonsense. a half decent diddletron neither produces nor consumes any 'strange', and 'magic packet' will consist of , e.g., lubyization of 10,000 ordinary packets' timing
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726724 << as far as i know (and what i don't know in this town ain't worth knowing) there's not at present any lubby deployed in usgistan internet "intelligence".
mircea_popescu: ikr ? esp cause it takes all the half-whites and shit. and besides, where do geeks look when trying to think of something to say to girl ? yep, you've guessed it, toes!
asciilifeform: maybe the extra 2 fingers, threw'em off, lol
asciilifeform: you dun even need literacy : the strands are helpfully coloured
mircea_popescu: well that's what i'm saying, there's even teenaged sluts doing it nowadays. perhaps for the first time in internet history, at that!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most elderly folx like asciilifeform cut their own cablez aha
asciilifeform: asciilifeform met a fella who claimed to have designed the nsa-usbjack boobytrap ( i did not believe him )
mircea_popescu: i teach teh slavegirls, it's part of the basic curriculum.
asciilifeform: aha, theremin-style rf tap
asciilifeform: any object supplied by randos can theoretically be 'alive'.
asciilifeform: while we're on subj, the infamous 'ont catalogue' featured not only boobytrapped routers etc but... ethernet jacks with 'intelligence', boobied cables
mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe all is an overstatement, but you get the idea i think.
mircea_popescu: ok, but by now they're all "intelligent".
mircea_popescu: i suspect the pure switch you have in mind is a 1980s period item
asciilifeform: no this makes sense, but seems to describe a diddled router/fw, rather than switch
mircea_popescu: need I now do the S' case ?
asciilifeform: btw phf your logtron mangles these, because variablewidthfont. readers should paste above item into a civilized terminal to read.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 18:54 ben_vulpes: what would the terms be?
mircea_popescu: incidentally re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726309 : i suppose it's obvious that teh republic, between wot, forum and the new deedbot beats silicon valley way the fuck out of the water. what angel list, what y combinator, why would i, or any thinking man, bother.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726715 << we were also making a lot of cow/herbivore jokes at the time.
asciilifeform: thing is 'self-clocking', which is why you gotta set a baud rate, and they are standard )
asciilifeform: i'ma put a likbez in the l0gz, for fyootor folx : here's ordinary rs232, at ttl signal level, (noninverted), transmitting a 10000010 :
asciilifeform: parallel port was adequate. but no recent boxes have'em and the usb paralleldongles never worked ( they were specific to printers, those have buffers, usb doesn't really give you realtime synchronism )
asciilifeform: ( from , say, misconfigured serial port -- guaranteed to show these symptoms )
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726670 << looks typical << aha. i think im going to re-run them all with the newer `ent` and post those results as well. unless, people think it's redundant or not required.
asciilifeform finally eaten the l0gz
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 07:14 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726602 << 19 cents to the KWh is not really space station price, considering a) electricity is 5 to 10 cents to the KWh pretty much everywhere and b) this price includes HVAC, which is for obvious reasons just about half of the cost of power.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726683 << this figure is correct, but on the high end of the typical price range.
asciilifeform: this functionality belongs ~in~ the box, where more difficult for 'guests' to monkey with, not in cords and bottoms of cabinets.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 04:37 asciilifeform: i'll mass produce switches some time after doing same for ordinary dc power supplies, they rank ahead in seekritude
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 08:05 mircea_popescu: yeah. same principle, but for gas rather than electricity. there's a special button by the main derivation that resets the flow
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726711 << this is unknown in usa: too much high tech! instead, and only in earthquake states, and only in ~some~ towns, they issue... wrenches, with which one is expected to close the valve outside the ruins of your house, as you climb from the rubble
asciilifeform: and to know if uninvited guests have been inside the cage.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 07:10 mircea_popescu: proper (ie, like power chord, either works or doesn't) switch very much on the republican slate. no extant item satisfy this requirement.,
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726680 << i'd like a republican chair to sit in too!111 switch, however, if you want GB or above -- does require making own silicon if you want it to meaningfully differ from the extant items . fpga won't cut it clockwise.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 07:07 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726566 << nope. all it takes is for one hop to filter out the strange, and the whole usg sigint collapses in a pile of magic dust.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726675 << 'filter out the strange' is the naive usg av 'industry' nonsense. a half decent diddletron neither produces nor consumes any 'strange', and 'magic packet' will consist of , e.g., lubyization of 10,000 ordinary packets' timing
asciilifeform: if you have a pair of racked boxes that gotta talk seeekritly to ~one another~, don't connect them via the switch, connect directly with crossover cable ( this is what the spare nics quality boxen ship with, are for )
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 07:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726558 << the expectation is that it will allow nsa comms, such as exfiltration in response to magic packets and the very magic packets in question.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it was the lulz of all time
mircea_popescu: well for one thing she had no idea how/where, i never saw the item installed anywhere else in that country.
mircea_popescu: yeah. same principle, but for gas rather than electricity. there's a special button by the main derivation that resets the flow
mircea_popescu: this had the stove and the heater close together and so it made sense, if you got a leak it's there.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no, see, the super-safe way is to have a detector by the burners that cuts the gas line if stimulated.
mircea_popescu: mortified noob had to endure the humiliation of me having to actually go outside reset the gas line
mircea_popescu: did i recount that event when nude girly at the stove farted and the gas detector immediately blew a fuse ?
ben_vulpes just had an exciting; apparently closed the flue a bit too soon/didn't give the fireplace enough time to self-extinguish and the co detectors went off
ben_vulpes: i think we've had a few threads in re creativity in the eastern empire
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726638 << this is liek, the most creative person i ever encountered. "raven" and "Zero", really ? what's next, "hacker" ? "internet" ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726608 << yes. it's not practical to put the gen gear next to the box.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726602 << 19 cents to the KWh is not really space station price, considering a) electricity is 5 to 10 cents to the KWh pretty much everywhere and b) this price includes HVAC, which is for obvious reasons just about half of the cost of power.
mircea_popescu: proper (ie, like power chord, either works or doesn't) switch very much on the republican slate. no extant item satisfy this requirement.,
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 04:36 asciilifeform: i don't manufacture switches, BingoBoingo , and i have no intention of starting, it isn't a device that handles seekrits, and very literally either works or does not -- like mains cord.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 04:25 davout: you're going to have the same issues upstream anyway neh?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726566 << nope. all it takes is for one hop to filter out the strange, and the whole usg sigint collapses in a pile of magic dust.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726558 << the expectation is that it will allow nsa comms, such as exfiltration in response to magic packets and the very magic packets in question.
mod6: originals were taken with a much older version of ent than the new.
mod6: ima try using an ent on a different box against some of the runs that I did previously...
mod6: yeah, not too sure. i've also never looked at the `ent` code.
ben_vulpes: statistics being the thing that hoses intuition every time.
ben_vulpes: leaning on intuition here; feels odd to me that the "randomly would exceed" value is so round on so many of your test runs, but it's gotta be weakness in my statistics intuition
mod6: There's a bunch of in-depth information in this book, I highly suggest if examining these results.
mod6: if (by interpolation in the table) V lies between the 5% and 10% entries, or the 90% and 95% entries, the numbers might be ``almost suspect.''" -- Knuth, The Art of Computer Programming Vol. 2, Seminumerical Algorithms pp. 46,47
mod6: "If V is less than the 1% entry or greater than the 99% entry, we reject the numbers as no sufficiently random. If V lies between the 1% and 5% entries or between the 95% and 99% entries, the numbers are ``suspect'';
mod6: yah, i'll go grab the book, standby.
ben_vulpes: mod6: this is from "the art of computer programming" or... ?
mod6: might be in the logs
mod6: ben_vulpes: seems fine. iirc, and i don't have the book in hand at the moment, but knuth outside certain boundaries is suspect.
ben_vulpes: Guest29647: once you register the nick, you gotta also set it as your nick like /nick raven_zero
mod6: ben_vulpes: ah, i seem to remember reading about the X^2 percentiles in knuth. mine in particular came out pretty round ya. or do you mean "your" in the general sense?
ben_vulpes: mod6: kinda interesting that your `ent` chi-squared "randomly would exceed this value XX percent of the time" always comes out to something nice and round like 25.00 or 50.00
asciilifeform: helps to keep the landlord honest.
asciilifeform: in even small corporate dc there are several ups that take up small room
asciilifeform: don't leak cpu to the mains.
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> <ben_vulpes> mhm; estimated as 42*.3kW << Of those 42U, 1 or 2 go to switch. Then you gotta keep a sane heat envelope lest some alf-weird cook everything and piss off the neighbors. 42U ends up turning into something like 20 servers apparently. << minus space for UPSs
BingoBoingo: But when exploring datacenter options, biggest obstacle is encountering Jolo the Pinoy in all nationalities. From "10 mbps to rack" to "Try this managed colo where we buy you boxes and do everything, it's just like getting 7Kva of dedicated servers but with more upsells"
BingoBoingo: And today fiber runs to "meet me" room or other nonesuch, then to street or sewer ditch or wherever
asciilifeform: this is how it was in the olden days, in the boxes asciilifeform BOFH'd over long ago.
BingoBoingo: Options for that are either have a hardware on the rack that aggregates ISP links to the DC and handles this shit, OR beat a jolo into sense.
BingoBoingo: Maybe customer wants super anal static routing BBQ for their box?
BingoBoingo: Own in the sense I manage the settings on the appliance instead of trusting DC to not assign the task to their jolo. And at desired connection speeds switch handles the routing, unless you wanna go Cisco.
asciilifeform: i'll mass produce switches some time after doing same for ordinary dc power supplies, they rank ahead in seekritude
asciilifeform: i don't manufacture switches, BingoBoingo , and i have no intention of starting, it isn't a device that handles seekrits, and very literally either works or does not -- like mains cord.
BingoBoingo: Point is not "weed out all annoyances", point is make the one finite mitigation (own switch) which is less mitigation and more practice for scaling later.
asciilifeform: it is actually how usg does business , the anticipate-supposedly-all thing
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 19:08 asciilifeform: the implication also is that there is a particular kind of mistake, exemplified imho by the zeroasset corp thing in bbet, that is easy to make -- to insist that the energy be conserved at all times
davout: BingoBoingo: i guess the point is that it's going to end up being extremely costly to preemptively weed out every single annoyance you can think of
asciilifeform: what a laugh it’d be - yank the thing and put in another, exhibit the boobytrapped piece publicly
asciilifeform: as davout said. as if it could be other than immediately obvious , if shitflood originates inside the house
davout: you're going to have the same issues upstream anyway neh?
davout: "ring the doorbell and run away giggling"
asciilifeform: at the risk of repeating earlier q - what exactly does hypothetical boobytrapped switch, do ?
BingoBoingo: "The video shows countless unopened boxes full of ready-to-eat meals in a dumpster, presumably thrown away by Puerto Rican officials. The video was shot in Patillas, a city on the islands southeastern coast." << Pantsuit has to pantsuit
BingoBoingo: Well, how else does one get the ISP-ness of putting ips to boxes and managing other manages.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, this is the last level heuristic in evaluating the biofilmness, "what make/model is your cabinet swirtch ?")
mircea_popescu: which yes, the time will come.
mircea_popescu: if you supply your own switch we're talking actual ipx, rather than simply colocation.
mircea_popescu: many dcs provide the racks with their own switches and dun wanna have them ever changed.
BingoBoingo also figures probably gotta own the swtiches on the rack to extent crapware appliances can be owned
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 23:23 BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> mhm; estimated as 42*.3kW << Of those 42U, 1 or 2 go to switch. Then you gotta keep a sane heat envelope lest some alf-weird cook everything and piss off the neighbors. 42U ends up turning into something like 20 servers apparently.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-18#1726456 << i've seen racks with actual 40 machines in there, but not without a lot of expert finagling. that's the absolute limit, because yes you'll also need a switch.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-09 11:28 davout: would the republic be interdasted in colocating boxes in central african republic?
mircea_popescu: these dumb fucks.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> erlehmann: they sat and waited for it to go offline, then published 'groundbreaking paper' << Wouldn't hurt to have a Qntra explainer ready for when victory time comes
asciilifeform: ( not meant to take the place of s.mg’s item, at least not immediately )
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 01:28 trinque: when there's a republican rsatron, I'll immediately be moving deedbot to that.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1726514 << it's likely s.mg will have some kind of implementation for public comment before the year's out.
mircea_popescu: and this dun go for him, either. if you're not about to make #trilema the organizing center of your life, don't idle here, it's not for you. read the website logs now and again like all the other nobodies.
mircea_popescu: moreover, if your intention is to actually not put in the work so as to avoid the need for such dumb q, how about you just get lost on your own power, avoid the need to get banned in the first place.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 23:16 BingoBoingo: In other news: Apparently Raqqa "Fell"
trinque: when there's a republican rsatron, I'll immediately be moving deedbot to that.
trinque: I'd make the switch to using raw n and e today, but am loath to build anything more using a libgcrypt that has no future.
erlehmann: understood. right now i feel definitely too sleepy to work out the incantation.
erlehmann: asciilifeform thanks for the log, that amused me
erlehmann: i'll do the rest later, it is 3:22 AM here and i want to sleep
asciilifeform: at any rate if you can satisfy trinque that you are the owner of the orig key, he might have mercy, erlehmann .
erlehmann: then publish key again
asciilifeform: move the clock on your box, sign a replacement ( that DOES NOT expire ), and see if trinque takes mercy on you, erlehmann
erlehmann: so i changed the expiry date and uploaded it again.
erlehmann: my key expired on 2017-10-10 probably, as it should. i made the error of creating a key that does not expire only once.
asciilifeform: i have nfi what enemy expects to find in there. launch codes ? obummer pr0n ? silkroad 5 ?
asciilifeform: erlehmann: 'results are public' didn't keep the LAST hoster from stealing the server. or the most recent one, from stealing disks.
asciilifeform: read the log.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-14 03:42 mircea_popescu: in other lulz asciilifeform : phuctor server raid array failing, when'd you like the item restarted ?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-17 13:36 asciilifeform: in other thefts, 'The researchers went on to find 15 factorizable keys used for TLS. Strangely, almost all of them contain the string "SCADA" in the common name field.'
asciilifeform: erlehmann: they sat and waited for it to go offline, then published 'groundbreaking paper'
asciilifeform: erlehmann: the infineon thing is a straight plagiarism of phuctor
erlehmann: i think the infineon RSA super happy fun time triggered it
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> mhm; estimated as 42*.3kW << Of those 42U, 1 or 2 go to switch. Then you gotta keep a sane heat envelope lest some alf-weird cook everything and piss off the neighbors. 42U ends up turning into something like 20 servers apparently.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> those were more of an attack on the system than actual part of the system. much like http://trilema.com/2013/compliance/ describes a specific sort of insult. << Kinda why Trump's ED secretary from the Amway family really grates the lizards scales. For all their talk, Amway made money helping blacks make money
BingoBoingo: In other news: Apparently Raqqa "Fell"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand though, they're ~already doing it~. usg SIGNALS can't hire outside of a pool of snowdens, mannings and reality winners
asciilifeform: 'nobody noticed but for the undertakers' (tm)(r)(orlol)
mircea_popescu: i expect what they'll do will be actually very similar to that d gerard dude. sort of rotting away.
asciilifeform: and they'll do what ? raid the meth dispensary ? post angry lolcats on reddit ? http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-27#1703521 ?
mircea_popescu: review the timeline lined earlier. 20 months of "depression".
mircea_popescu: this is altogether dubious.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the warehouse kidz can be corralled into anything at all if can be persuaded that 'no alternative'
mircea_popescu: aaand for the old crows of the eastern persuasion in teh audience, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfYuVQDccNA
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/generatia-fara/ aka, the generation without. what can you tell these kids to keep them huddled in that disafected warehouse, in 2017 ? 2027 ? once the lights go out ? 2037 ? etc ?
mircea_popescu: if blue usg can't pantsuit the conversation anymore, if the plebs won't sit put and eat their seoexpert/nfl combo, what could happen ?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 06:27 BingoBoingo: And having escaped one hole, from deep in the mines of another: "This poll scared me more than just about any other I have seen in the past months. If Trump can turn his base against the NFL, then what cant he get them to do?"
mircea_popescu: and WHY google's "activists only -- not bloggers" project shield will take on an ~aspirational figure~ from the "seo community".
mircea_popescu: which is what exact breach in the glorious blue pantsuit the above item is trying to patch
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point here is that having lost any capacity to control the actual reality, the usg took the next possible defensive line, which is to say trying to control the conversation.
mircea_popescu: what it says, importantly, is not merely that the roosevelt system doesn't work ; but that participation is in itself degrading.
mircea_popescu: those were more of an attack on the system than actual part of the system. much like http://trilema.com/2013/compliance/ describes a specific sort of insult.
asciilifeform: the earliest were targeted at gurlz
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually the pseudobusiness tradition is older, goes back to the 1950s american pyramids, 'amway' et al
mircea_popescu: that's kinda what's going on there. yes, turnips. like all peon spawn ever, like marius' legionnaires, like so on and so forth. they came out of a cunt and are looking for a grave.
mircea_popescu: the self-same no education no family relations no money plebs that were going to go into mcdonalds ccca 1987 went into "seo" and "working online" cca 2007.
asciilifeform: it was a gag then and gag now.
asciilifeform: napoleon's 'marshall's baton in the knapsack of every soldier' is a lulgag
mircea_popescu: the problem with this is that it is ALSO a -ev game. there is no social mobility, not in the nato reich at any rate. the faking of it was becoming ever more expensive. and so cca 2001 it moved online.
mircea_popescu: recent http://trilema.com/2017/cemetery-junction/ as fine an illustration as any other.
mircea_popescu: ie, you ~have alternative~ : join this usg corporation, wash toilets for a while, climb the ladder.
mircea_popescu: the macdonalds / walmart / liberty mutual "executive" program
asciilifeform: it's ~exactly the same thing
mircea_popescu: it's more to it than just that. up to say about the dotcom bubble, the Official Example of the USG Official Rooseveltian Doctrine of Social Mobility was...
asciilifeform: not particularly different from the folx who play lotteries
asciilifeform: so it's a -ev game. and ergo no surprise that the people playing it, are turnips.
asciilifeform: contrary to popular belief, there is ~no moneys in the shitware biz. ( consider : spam makes ~0 ; ransomism trojan of global proportions ends up making a few dozen btc at best; what remains ? ...selling 'toolz' to ~penniless idjits ? )
mircea_popescu: or rather, got sucked into there from some "anti-aging medicine" scam / youthful tripod business, whatevs.
mircea_popescu: anyway, no schooling, started in the mailroom of ias group (toilet paper suppliers to hospitals etc).
mircea_popescu: this is interesting because evidently conducted by independent agent motivated by his own delusions of "making it in this game", rather than the more typical case of employee trying to steal from govt.
mircea_popescu: dude's vaguely amusing under the "trynna MP" angle, i guess, and moreover the process of pantsuit infiltration is pathology as any other, can be studied.
asciilifeform: the conversion of a heathenpit into a honeypot, without skipping a beat of music, is fairly common thing