ben_vulpes: one of you is using it to describe the process of selecting signable unspent transaction outputs and another using it to describe the new outputs created
ben_vulpes: you two are using "output selection" to mean two different things
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: he's still digesting "how to cut the wallet", let him ask for the things for which he's going to ask
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sorry, what?
ben_vulpes: davout's a rubyist, don't expect rigor in terminology from him mod6 :P
ben_vulpes: davout: ^^
ben_vulpes: create and sign at least may be testable via the boost testing framework that's already in place
ben_vulpes: mod6: "test[ing] this" is actually how i got on the alpha centauri miner quest
ben_vulpes: ty jurov
ben_vulpes: because it has to keep track of the inputs for all of the addresses it made ten minutes ago
ben_vulpes: davout: yup
ben_vulpes: jurov: have you run msft updater today? :P
ben_vulpes: sometimes verifying a new block
ben_vulpes: davout: my node is for example, busy sometimes serving blocks to other people
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-30#1593697 << scripting is too much work, just manually dump every block and then manually load it into trb once the previous eat completes. nice meditative activity
ben_vulpes: i'm off, later davout
ben_vulpes: i believe that mod6 has a solid one as well, pete_dushenski's has been blackholed of late
ben_vulpes: i use whirling rust, he -- ssd's.
ben_vulpes: either asciilifeform's or mine
ben_vulpes: not that it cannot be done that way, but it is faster other ways.
ben_vulpes: and waste time negotiating connections
ben_vulpes: otherwise trb may decide to ask utter randos for blocks
ben_vulpes: davout: you will sync far more quickly if you -connect to a single, high reliability, high bandwidth node during sync
ben_vulpes: davout: congrats!
ben_vulpes: amusing innit that the father of the since-aborted 'blockchain spam' meme is now spamming irc
ben_vulpes: mod6: how does that help me filter luke-jr's spam and not noobs?
ben_vulpes: i see a new face at the back of the hall, i'm going to give them the opportunity to at least say hello and introduce themselves.
ben_vulpes: i will not spend the time to figure out how to mute everyone but noobs i've never seen before
ben_vulpes: it is visible and annoying. stop it.
ben_vulpes: for those who *still* miss the point, joining and parting is opening and closing the squeaky doors on a hall where 5 people are arguing and 500 muffling laughter and groans
ben_vulpes: a join and an up, which is predicated on the obvious
ben_vulpes: wear a shirt with last weeks sweat stains on it, it's not like you're that important
ben_vulpes: nah, park your boat on the lawn, who cares
ben_vulpes: it's like omfg even aws is barely 10us/mo for a vps you don't have to trust
ben_vulpes: what part of bumfuckistan do you live in that prevents colo access?
ben_vulpes: you want to matter in crypto but "nah bro, it's just my isp" at me?
ben_vulpes: top 10 in disconnects over the year? no problem?
ben_vulpes: !!up luke-jr
ben_vulpes: luke-jr: i know you're awake and reading this because you pm'd me. don't pretend otherwise, it's downright foolish.
ben_vulpes: one can patch an empty directory with an arbitrary patch and extract the filenames patch wanted to hit
ben_vulpes: phf: when it works, it outputs the list of patched files
ben_vulpes: !up luke-jr well did you read the link or what
ben_vulpes: wait phf hang on no i don't think i'm going to do the largest common, i think i'm just going to use the output of patch to figure out what was actually patched
ben_vulpes: felipelalli, vexare, wyrdmantis, Sinclair6, luke-jr please fix your bouncers
ben_vulpes: in other unixisms: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Lwefz/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: tight
ben_vulpes: ^^ mircea_popescu asciilifeform mod6 trinque and any other vtronicists pls to opine
ben_vulpes: phf: when i crack my v again in the morrow, i'm going to implement hash-checking against longest common directory tree
ben_vulpes: BLOOD SPORTS
ben_vulpes: aaaaah
ben_vulpes: ah i see
ben_vulpes: eager juvenile algos are eager and juvenile
ben_vulpes: ah <p gotcha
ben_vulpes: i would also like to see the vdiff into which you're piping diff, mostly out of curiosity
ben_vulpes: "tee p" just papers your house with the output or what
ben_vulpes: what is `p'?
ben_vulpes: good to know that terminal prompt of yours survived the trip through the pastebin
ben_vulpes: okay i see
ben_vulpes: hm
ben_vulpes: oh
ben_vulpes: would it be unreasonable to calve this scenario off?
ben_vulpes: 1 thing of note is that your example patches an extant file in holyfuq/
ben_vulpes: COOL
ben_vulpes: i have nfi
ben_vulpes: standby 1
ben_vulpes: phf: i actually can't get patch c/old.lisp and d/veh.lisp to apply derp.vpatch
ben_vulpes: gross.kpeg
ben_vulpes: what's an insane input that breaks the shortest common substring test?
ben_vulpes: would a smallest common substring test suffice here?
ben_vulpes: RIGHT?!
ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema-mod6?d=2016-12-29#3 << thread in #trilema-mod6
ben_vulpes: phf: patch will apply something cleanly with mismatched depths, won't it?
ben_vulpes: how many prefixes to strip
ben_vulpes: i've been frowning at -p1 for a bit now
ben_vulpes: but i hate 3 for obvious reasons
ben_vulpes: the third approach is to apply each patch to an empty directory and determine what files would have been patched, had it applied cleanly.
ben_vulpes: standby, let me test a third approach
ben_vulpes: the only other thing that i can think to do here is to grab the set of parents and children, match them up, and then get the lowest common denominator (if you will) file path for each patched file directly from the vpatch
ben_vulpes: c) hash that file and compare to the vpatch contents
ben_vulpes: b) when working through the list of each patch's children, search through the list of patched files until the patched filepath is a subsequence of the filename as recorded in the vpatch
ben_vulpes: a) capture output of `patch' to determine which files were patched
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-29#1592918 << ftr i hate the solution for this that i have on disk
ben_vulpes: mhm.
ben_vulpes: "this shape" being selective html regeneration? or mutation in place?
ben_vulpes: parsing html isn't even hard
ben_vulpes: deduplication
ben_vulpes: no it's fine
ben_vulpes: trinque: just sed and awk the html you have in place to update ratings
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: exactly :D
ben_vulpes: please to never have code near an httptron
ben_vulpes: i am very much a fan of this design
ben_vulpes: C-k, not C-j, kid...
ben_vulpes: trinque ^^
ben_vulpes: woods?
ben_vulpes: s/'s//
ben_vulpes: eh, obab's just wants to grab some pussy
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: pedantically, each patch then produces semantically new program?
ben_vulpes: yup, i see now
ben_vulpes: what means "semantics" wrt operation of this proggy?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ah
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591573 << the diff line is distinct from the --- / +++ lines, does one ever see a patch file where the files compared aren't prefixed with a/ or b/ ?
ben_vulpes: ty asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: while you're at it, type2 and type3 are?
ben_vulpes: dipshits
ben_vulpes: hm
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: any idea how prb identifies a trb node?
ben_vulpes: phf: moreover i'm too ferklempt over how the thing's changed since 10.2 to want much to do with it anymore
ben_vulpes: phf: i have no idea how to fix macos
ben_vulpes: phf: i only used windows as a wee one in school labs and a mildly less wee one in cad labs, so no idea re administration haxery
ben_vulpes: mildly less painful than restarting whole machine
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: kill -9 may help
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: you have to reboot the whole machine?
ben_vulpes: ty
ben_vulpes: jurov: would you be so kind as to update the lxr with makefiles.vpatch ?
ben_vulpes: quote me a chapter and verse?
ben_vulpes: now i really want to know
ben_vulpes: gross
ben_vulpes: cool
ben_vulpes: wait, what is the difference between mempool and relay set?
ben_vulpes: run moar macos or how does it go
ben_vulpes: aha, air gaping
ben_vulpes: 'pucker only in times of stress', i say
ben_vulpes: i find a relaxed colon makes for a relaxed thinker
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: is practicing retention?
ben_vulpes: pretty mich
ben_vulpes: "obab demands we say something nasty about the russkies. so...hey php is vulnerable and shit"
ben_vulpes: thought you might find it amusing
ben_vulpes: some tiny amount of finger pointing followed by owasp best practices
ben_vulpes: in other unholy file formats: https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296.pdf
ben_vulpes: did ccc publish transcripts for these somewhere?
ben_vulpes: surely you need to borrow /more/ money
ben_vulpes: shoulda said "looks like a variant on another classic retail scam"
ben_vulpes: marvelous trick
ben_vulpes: davout: this is sop for american retail brokers as well. even were you to have the cash on hand to buy the underlying outright unless you jump through very specific and hard to find hoops retail brokerages will lend you the capital to take the position you intended to enter under your own steam
ben_vulpes: local pressings any good?
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: asking or being asked?
ben_vulpes: welcome back davout
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: have a link handy?
ben_vulpes: in entirely unrelated microsoftery, http://archive.is/UrLGx
ben_vulpes: nono, it's not a hack to do here
ben_vulpes: mod6: moreover the general case is looking to be "project-genesis.vpatch"
ben_vulpes: odd to see gribble having such troubles
ben_vulpes: also mimisbrunnr irc component isn't wired up to do the talmudic recitals, so...
ben_vulpes: ty, anyways
ben_vulpes: lacking ACTION lines as of right now
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: yeah, formal announcement...sometime
ben_vulpes: if you don't bottom it out it's not a proper test drive
ben_vulpes: hoon dems
ben_vulpes: aight, trinque updated
ben_vulpes: standby 2, there's more coming on that post
ben_vulpes: looks like what i see as well
ben_vulpes: cool
ben_vulpes: oh
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: would you humor me and upload a genesis.vpatch.mircea_popescu.sig and let me know what your mp_wp does?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: cooooool
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: have you ever wrestled with mp-wp stripping '.' characters from uploaded filenames when there's more than one?
ben_vulpes: "well known figure in github circles"
ben_vulpes: oh yeah
ben_vulpes: +4,200 -18,102
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591573 << i'll have to think on how to fix this
ben_vulpes: "honey, don't /look/, but..."
ben_vulpes: in other "how the mighty have fallen"s: https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-8026-a_story_of_discrimination_and_unfairness
ben_vulpes: mats misses 'home culture'
ben_vulpes: chinese moms control the purse strings
ben_vulpes: cn reputation for 'tiger moms' among usasians
ben_vulpes: infinite easy payments of everything you make
ben_vulpes: your very own tiger mom
ben_vulpes: well i was going to ask if you were in the boston cn wot
ben_vulpes: dunno that's too far outside of teh bubb
ben_vulpes: oya
ben_vulpes: mats: what part of us is "here"?
ben_vulpes: old money moderately interesting if you're trying to marry into it
ben_vulpes: new money is uniformly uninteresting
ben_vulpes: heh the sv/us conflation
ben_vulpes: also are talking fathers, husbands, sugar daddies or 'beta buxx'?
ben_vulpes: mats: does 'mommy' typically hold the purse strings among yr people?
ben_vulpes: my internal popesculator says "what, wimminz are for ornamenting!"
ben_vulpes: i have utterly nfi how women put up with all of the ornamental crap
ben_vulpes: in retrospect, the expensive part is having mismatched nail lengths
ben_vulpes: bad joke, dun sweat it
ben_vulpes: in the loading screen
ben_vulpes: "Reticulating the splines..."
ben_vulpes: sim city 3k reference
ben_vulpes: but do you reticulate the splines
ben_vulpes: sounds like davout thinks "just trim your hands evenly, weirdo"
ben_vulpes: compulsive nail tidying is 2x as expensive if you do both hands
ben_vulpes: davout: no, simple rhythm stuff
ben_vulpes: ah i see
ben_vulpes: mats: what kinda timeframe are you biting your nails over?
ben_vulpes: mk all very sensible ty phf
ben_vulpes: right
ben_vulpes: still means one has to (run "foo" `())
ben_vulpes: okay ty
ben_vulpes: verily
ben_vulpes: which brings me to: "when positional, and when keyword?"
ben_vulpes: phf: (cmd &optional args input)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aha and the isis men kept trying to fuck the goats :D
ben_vulpes: a shit i'm going to have to rewatch this.
ben_vulpes: holy shit i forgot picard was in that
ben_vulpes: baliset i think
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "guitar hero"!
ben_vulpes: so now i play guitar poorly and frequently
ben_vulpes: girl provided a guitar in short order
ben_vulpes: some 1.5 years back i leapt off the couch and demanded a hand-held instrument to awaken dormant pathways
ben_vulpes: i play at least 30 minutes 4 times a week
ben_vulpes: guitarists who type a lot: do you always trim both hands?
ben_vulpes: new topic
ben_vulpes: still gotta fuckin quarantine the thing when it shows up.
ben_vulpes: physicist, maybe
ben_vulpes: actually whole thing is likely just a ploy to get pre-rooted boxen into republican ops
ben_vulpes: no i'm going to plug my ears say neener and make it gabriel_laddel's problem
ben_vulpes: as you yourself pointed out
ben_vulpes: and all the hours spent changing belts and capplugs
ben_vulpes: why in the not gentooing your own boxes
ben_vulpes: now if only i could find a graceful way to muffle compiler warnings for functions...
ben_vulpes: phf: ty
ben_vulpes: so he says, so he says.
ben_vulpes: someone's going to have to fuel the meth habit for another month to pop this one
ben_vulpes: well i'm just on tenterhooks waiting to learn what's so cryptworthy
ben_vulpes: pricing that sensitive, eh?
ben_vulpes: anyways, otaku gaijin shit aside a) do you have videos of this thing working or am i supposed to believe that it does because you now have a key you can use and b) how much for the whole circus, delivered
ben_vulpes: neeee sooo desu
ben_vulpes: i am epically confused, how else would it be pronounced
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: it's a pun on moon hotels
ben_vulpes: are you describing yourself or people you want to respond to whatever that was asciilifeform quoted?
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: how do i know you're not running the longest and lowest-dough scam with these masamune boxen?
ben_vulpes: clim clim clim
ben_vulpes: thanks again
ben_vulpes: coooool
ben_vulpes: "swiss cheese" then meaning something like "notions are touching each other for no reason other than that's how the air bubbles formed"?
ben_vulpes: k
ben_vulpes: so that there are a set of operations that just happen to be implemented with "external programs" is no reason their errors should inherit from "external program" errors
ben_vulpes: probably pointless complexity that could be snipped in favor of simple errors everywhere?
ben_vulpes: i imagined an inheritance chain looking like error->external-program-error->{bad-signature, no-gpg-data, ...}
ben_vulpes: otherwise may as well nuke everything in the unrecoverable branch
ben_vulpes: i read "handler-case destroys the call stack" and thought to myself "if i can avoid that, i probably should".
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: lol stan having none of it
ben_vulpes: nfi if such exist
ben_vulpes: brin mentioned a trick with endothermic lasers
ben_vulpes: bespin now
ben_vulpes: that just means we need floating cities
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-28#1591550 << sbcl makes a style warning about &optional and &keys together. i lack the intuition to override the compiler here, does this weaken typechecking and is it worthwhile?
ben_vulpes: is what she said
ben_vulpes: that