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mircea_popescu: so then get one.
asciilifeform: i luvv the $cuntry gurlz
mircea_popescu: why ? tall, lithe. no tits and mostly absent ass, but hey, can't have errything.
asciilifeform: otherwise would be already buyin one of them cheap roofless palaces
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you like it there you'd prolly luv odessa.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-22 12:23 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Watch out for pits yourself. Also, how are the toilets?
mircea_popescu: john smith is jack shit, the west didn't hold 4 bn women in 1860.
mircea_popescu: mark twain has a bit about how every whore in the west hit up john smith for alms whenever.
mircea_popescu: but the needy women themselves have carefully worked together to avoid being halped.
mircea_popescu: but the curse of stupid is amply distributed and heavy indeed. consider : for the past THREE YEARS i have been giving ANY WOMAN IN THE WORLD hundreds of dollars. this is more than ANY "organization" ever did for the women in this world, be it something from usg.alphabet, or usg.un bureaucracy or anyone else.
mircea_popescu: rather, they were cursed with stupid to begin with, and had so far lived in a sort of environment where it had been carefully made inpossible to prove it.
mircea_popescu: !!rate BHopkins -1 ineffectual dork with delusions of self-independence and whatnot. see also http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/
asciilifeform: aaalso why are there signs warning of buried ~oxygen~ pipes !
asciilifeform: but nao i found a train station boarded up and with 1980s trains still on the rails...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Watch out for pits yourself. Also, how are the toilets?
asciilifeform: just the sights alone in the town — pant-creaming ; esp the gurlz
asciilifeform: and, asciilifeform to pet : ‘look where yer going, or thou shalt surely fall into a pit’ pet: nya < then proceeds promptly to fall into small pit > argh
asciilifeform: sads include the piles of ads in english everywhere
BingoBoingo: Occasionally there's big moves, none bigger than starting out. Everything else is consistency at every size.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, my impression of the business is that its like farming, except customer service is a thing.
mod6: <+hanbot> Even the once unknown Mircea Popescu is now making waves with his blog. << lmfao, "it's not plagiarism if you throw a name in there entirely out of context!!1" << yeah, srsly.
hanbot: Even the once unknown Mircea Popescu is now making waves with his blog. << lmfao, "it's not plagiarism if you throw a name in there entirely out of context!!1"
BingoBoingo: Also it seems the deedbutt payment hasn't gone through yet.
BingoBoingo: PCENGINES APU not so cheap), VPS 3x+ cost basis. Misc weird (i.e. hand courier and colo 32 bit SPARC machine) billed in proportion to time they take from providing excellent customer service and 2x cost basis for livng space.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> they cost you about 50k to buy, and the rack will run you about 50k for a year. that means your yearly budget is about 100k, roughly. << This is roughly my impression. 50k colorent, 40-70k-ish hardware, 35-ish k physical presence so as to walk to servers, 2k birthing company, 5k retainers, 100k prudent reserve (In case of Best Korea, Intifada, meteor storm, Pelosi). Rent boxes out for ~2x cost basis (all in, not board so
mircea_popescu: what separates the men from the children is that one year, and whether at the end of it you're green or not.
mircea_popescu: that's ~the story.
mircea_popescu: after the first year your machines are amortized and your downline built, so you're looking at some decent net margin. before the first year you're burdened by the capital costs and stuck with low occupancy, so you bleed cash.
mircea_popescu: these take more work, and consequently provide more revenue.
mircea_popescu: your cost basis is ~200 per server. you can rent them for 3-400 as such, or can give out vpsen, which are more productive. perhaps even "shared" if particularily interested into it.
mircea_popescu: they cost you about 50k to buy, and the rack will run you about 50k for a year. that means your yearly budget is about 100k, roughly.
mircea_popescu: your 42 u full rack takes 40 boxes, optimized so they pull say 150-200 W on average. that'll keep you out of power overages 99% of the time.
mircea_popescu: b) you're not going to charge 1k/mo for any servers, don't be ridiculous. you're going to pay 500-2k to buy the server, and then rent it out for the usual 2x the fixed cost.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes a) you're not going to make money renting space as such. this wasn't even in the original design, i've nfi why you added it in.
mircea_popescu: the god of magic numbers gave them the 900 second and they're sticking ot it!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-22#1727577 << can't imagine why they designed it this way, but ~everyone does, coinbase, mycellium, coin-something else.
jhvh1: ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: !~later tell mircea_popescu probably hare-brained in all sorts of ways, but this is the result of my pencilwork: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xyOoP/?raw=true
trinque: at any rate there'll before too long be a limited hot wallet on this thing people can subscribe to for automatic txn
hanbot: i don't know what the actual time threshold is tbh. clearly longer than 15 mins tho.
hanbot: 15 mins is what they give you "to pay" in their idiotic bleeping red timer interface. it "ran out" in this instance, but they still see the tx afterwards and credit it
trinque: 15min til they see the unconfirmed?
hanbot: 15 mins. anyway, they credited it, should be fine and dandy
trinque: how long do they usually give you?
trinque: hm, possible it didn't get there in time then. I just dispatched it.
hanbot: trinque that withdraw was a bitpay thingie with 3mins left on the clock fwiw.
hanbot: Performs the previously requested command associated with the decrypted `otp`. << nah, actually, i think that's fine.
trinque: it's in there, not clear?
hanbot: the !!v i mean.
hanbot: trinque can put in the deedbot help html?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-22 00:37 mod6 raises a glass to the 3rd anniversary of The Bitcoin Foundation
trinque: yep if hanbot wanted me to send some txn tonight, better off. I might not find time to change the code this evening.
mircea_popescu: should i re-do this in the current format for now ?
mircea_popescu: trinque could this actually be changed to match the format of all others ? iirc it's amt dest for withdraw etc.
trinque: if the bot doesn't give an affirmative reply, it didn't do anything
mod6 raises a glass to the 3rd anniversary of The Bitcoin Foundation
ben_vulpes: perhaps my estimates are bad but i'm also having trouble make the thing pencil out to not-a-flaming-hole-in-my-own-pocket
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: THeir contact info wouldn't hurt. Anyways the trade off is warehousing the meat in Brazil is less expensive while starting a business in HK is a two hour online form. It still would not hurt at all to have a VulpesISP even with a BingoISP
ben_vulpes: i'd rather get back to profiling mpfhf than marketing a cabinet
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: d'you want to talk to the guys i spoke to in hk?
BingoBoingo: Or I guess there's the finding a girl to marry route, but then I forfeit my dissident license.
BingoBoingo: That's the suspicion, but still likely useful as part of journey to second passport
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo from experience nobody gives a flying fuck about visas in this part of the world.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Nah, gotta be something that stands out in the Registry once we own some IP space.
shinohai: "The BingoBoingo whoreticulture centre, LLC"
mircea_popescu: needless to say, no portion of the "added value" of 15mn was injust enrichment, or taken from them to be returned to the rightful slovak owner.
mircea_popescu: , notwithstanding he had proofs (but did he have proof those proofs were proofing ?!?!). in the end, after a lot of back and forth between various government agencies, they paid him 300k, "acquired" it (legally, of course, what usg steals is legally acquired, what slovak antique dealer owns is "mafia involvement") and then proceeded to sell it at auction. for ... 15.3mn.
mircea_popescu: and here's some lulz for asciilifeform's private "art ownerhsip" collection : femme nue couchee, a courbet knockoff of the maja desnuda goya painting was looted in 45 by the soviets, who displayed it in the manner of truckers, which is to say on a truck tarpaulin. the item was thought lost, but it surfaced in 2000. the owner (possession is 100% of the law!) was accused of being unfit for ownership, as he happened to be slovak
lobbes: ultimately my fault for labeling the subtotals as 'totals'
lobbes: I actually didn't notice until later; then I thought 'eh not worth worry about'
diana_coman: o.O lobbes sorry about that; I read "total" indeed; do say it on the spot though!
mircea_popescu: trinque did the auto thing fail ?
mircea_popescu: and in other "the only new thing is the history you didn't know", female steroid users grow genuine penises where the clit used to be. head and errything. and they don't go away.
mircea_popescu: this was 2011, at the time nobody had seen her ass.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-coolest-thing-about-romania/ << Trilema - The coolest thing about Romania...
asciilifeform: in the cab nao.
asciilifeform walks the ground of orcistan !
a111: Logged on 2017-10-20 23:35 BingoBoingo: Yeah, one would be helpful. Still probing for other costs that might try to do the surprise sex thing on my butt.
BingoBoingo: Yet, once again: "one of the protesters involved in the altercation struck the Jeep with a baton before the shot was fired"
BingoBoingo: missed the group and struck a nearby building."
BingoBoingo: In other self defense against antifa files: "Shortly before 5:30pm, it was reported that a silver Jeep stopped to argue with a group of protesters and began threatening, offering Nazi salutes and shouting chants about Hitler to the group that was near the bus stop. During the altercation, Tenbrink produced a handgun while the Fears brothers encouraged him to shoot at the victims. Tenbrink fired a single shot at the group which thankfully
mircea_popescu: in other news holy shit britannica.com looks just like a random spamsite.
shinohai: Meanwhile, on yours all the "Hot" articles combined total less than I could make for writing a single Qntra. (maybe 2)
mircea_popescu: it's like claiming "we accept dollars AND euros". why, because the euro's a thing now ?
mircea_popescu: the thing, is, no-one ever accepts any of the alts other than as a bitcoin derivative.
mircea_popescu: who ever could hope to pay for lulz such as these...
mircea_popescu: dat bitcoin crash, > ethereum
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Well when making hardware shopping list gotta have idea what people want. Do people want beefy opteron things that'll have me on a 4th rack by Sunday or do they want PCengines boards by the dozen.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: hot on the advertising already
BingoBoingo: Yeah, one would be helpful. Still probing for other costs that might try to do the surprise sex thing on my butt.
BingoBoingo: Roughly the same range, and Yeah, I don't see reason not too. Should have a bunch more numbers early next week.
BingoBoingo: Number helpfully offered in USD to the Gringo
mircea_popescu: aha, bout same range as other one huh.
mircea_popescu: why are they secret ?
mircea_popescu: "well there's no shoulders on dick, honey."
mircea_popescu: after they come to, she's like "hey, i thought you were going to put in just the head ?"
mircea_popescu: she eventually agress, and he fucks the living daylights out of her.
mircea_popescu: hawt girly at that difficult age, kinda would like kinda dun wanna. guy proposes he puts in just the head.
ben_vulpes: "#trilema: just the tits"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes dja know the romanian joke with the bloke putting in just the tip ?
mircea_popescu: shinohai the good news being that the juggernaught of the republic doth daily advance, so eventually it'll come.
ben_vulpes: just the tips?
mircea_popescu: if i dun have it i can't alter the article so they can't have to make wallets etc.\
mircea_popescu: the future of the human race emerges ever clearer.
mircea_popescu: there you go.
mircea_popescu: i don't expect there's much anyone can do. so far, we gather dataz.
BingoBoingo: And the other 98?
BingoBoingo: Reffer questions to the dongler? It's his profession?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the dongle thing is 99++% of the fg support mail to date
mircea_popescu: local fucktards for instance explained to me "they can't receive wires from abroad." i'm like... so got any rostipollo then ?
asciilifeform: again if mircea_popescu , diana_coman , or anybody else here, wants to suggest a replacement dongle -- i'm all ears. or better yet if we didn't even ship a dongle, every machine owner has responsibility to find some way to have a working serial port, it is not properly a problem in the scope of FG
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727313 << you'd be fucking surprised how often this is the case. "hello sir, this is bank, it just doesn't do any banking, problem ?"
a111: Logged on 2017-10-20 18:49 diana_coman: on the possibly enraging more digging turned out a known shit -difference between pl2303 and pl2303x
a111: Logged on 2017-10-20 17:44 asciilifeform: i picked pl2303 because it is the most afaik widely supported, but apparently not even it worx everywhere
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727261 << where "everywhere" is one of the most widely installed web distros, at that. not even fucking obscure or anything.
asciilifeform: also i'm open to shipping something other than pl2303, if anyone has suggestions. ftdi is BANNED because 1) it costs 10x moar than pl2303 2) it is american/tw 3) it has rewritable fw that cannot be disabled
BingoBoingo: In other lol: "We don´t work with colocation solutions, it´s possible we work with hosting servers?"
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I might be wrong on this but my current understanding is that it's my machine that has the *older* rather than the "required" newer driver
asciilifeform: i will not make rngs that DEMAND 2way protocol and usb micro ( with the rewritable firmware nonsense ACTIVE AT ALL TIMES , and 50MB pdf of liquishit spec with holes )
asciilifeform: afaik there is not a clean solution to this, other than to burn the pc nonsense to the ground
phf: they are basically like flash drives, 50 different branded versions of the same 5 Chinese controllers, 3 of which report same signature but behave slightly different, the other two are bugged by the agencies
diana_coman: "the pl2303x can be distinguished from a pl2303 by checking bMaxPacketSize0 for device using lsusb -v -d 067b:2303; if bmaxpacketsize0 is 64 you probably have pl2303x"
asciilifeform: ( i'dve installed onetimefused cpld, but IT DOES NOT EXIST on the market )
diana_coman: apparently there are 2 adapters namely ps2303 and ps2303x; incompatible; same vendor id and product id though
asciilifeform: bad enough that the cpld fw is rewritable.
asciilifeform: phf: on one hand could be useful, on other -- one more piece for enemy to wedge shut or otherwise manipulate in the post
diana_coman: on the possibly enraging more digging turned out a known shit -difference between pl2303 and pl2303x
diana_coman: on the sad part it seems suitable cable not in house atm so it'll have to wait until tomorrow
phf: i assumed by http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-20#1727227 she means that there's some kind of output
asciilifeform: i've been thinking for entire year what is to be done about this, but have conceived of no solution other than THROW AWAY BROKEN OS OMFG
asciilifeform: which in the case of FG means worse-than-useless
asciilifeform: phf: i suspect this will do 0, in buggy pl2303 driver i encountered, it's the bandwidth and flowcontrol setttings that didn't take. but other than that adapter behaves normally
phf: diana_coman: you can also try ``cu -l /dev/ttyUSB0 -s 115200'' since that doesn't take over the terminal AND if it works, you should be able to paste ``strace cu...'' output from which we can figure out what system calls that thing did before touching the device
asciilifeform: i picked pl2303 because it is the most afaik widely supported, but apparently not even it worx everywhere
asciilifeform: do you have a ftdi or other type of ttlserial cable in the house ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, fine; trouble is it's centos where the thing is not working
diana_coman: yes, canonical hence why I'm trying to get to the bottom of this
diana_coman: I switched this whole board to yet another machine , with its cable too; there it works
asciilifeform: the canonical test is dd if=/dev/yourfg | hexdump -C -v
diana_coman: but it shows...something at least; why does the other one not show anything?
asciilifeform: 2) then switch back, and switch only the cables.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, 1. I tried already 3 other cables; unlikely all three borked
asciilifeform: 1) switch the entire ensembles places
diana_coman: did a stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 -a on a working machine and on this machine, flags are same except for hupcl vs -hupcl on centos and onlcr vs -onlcr on centos; and a -cdtrdsr on centos, not mentioned on the other
asciilifeform: ( i expect that most purchasers throw away the usb cables )
asciilifeform: entirely possible that you got a defective cable, i do not test the cables, only the FG
asciilifeform: b/w the working and the sad one
asciilifeform: switch the serial cables from one to the other
diana_coman: green lamp steady on, red lamp flickering just like in *another* fg that is currently purring away nicely at another machine
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I'm not yet even there basically; dd simply hangs
asciilifeform: yes it sees the tty. but FG puts out ~arbitrary~ octets (yes all 8 bits) and the tty gotta work with this without losing what it thinks is 'control chars' (0x13, 0x03, etc)
diana_coman: guess I'll go through the full list and at least see if there is anything that might help
diana_coman: shinohai, that seems to be a bit closer but not yet solved: added -ixoff and next run of dd went fine but then it was stuck again; turned on and off again and it was still just hanging so simply reset on that was not enough either; something is weird there
mircea_popescu: then nfi, pretty bizarre.
mircea_popescu: does problem persist if you use the actual system tty rather than X ?
mircea_popescu: i would guess, since screen sees it fine, that your problem is later in the flow. maybe the windows manager fucks it up for you ?
diana_coman: otherwise I guess I'll have to figure out what screen does exactly that it works, ugh
diana_coman: to re-phrase the question then: does anyone know of any centos/dd-specific idea re flow control? very same tty setup works on ubuntu or xubuntu verified; to reiterate: ttyUSB0 IS set with stty -F /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 raw -echo -echoe -echok; anything else centos wants there specifically?
diana_coman: I might add that I *did* run the stty command first ofc; AND reported settings afterwards seemed fine
diana_coman: on Centos 6.8 (64bits) trying to read fg's output from ttyUSB0 with dd hangs on most occasions (erratically it will work but I haven't figured out when exactly); at the same time, a "screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 " works perfectly fine <-- anybody knows what this is about?
phf: asciilifeform: don't forget to bring the customary earth in a small baggy from the motherland
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Enjoy not all the numbers. Apparently while life may be cheap in Asia, IPs are not? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/v35oI/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: In other news Portuges feels more more Italian than Spanish on deeper digging
BingoBoingo: In other lols, there is a place in Brazil that has datacenters and it is lulzily enough named Uberlandia
shinohai: The Dogecoin consideration was pretty lulzy though.
mircea_popescu: "*A substantial profit. Our ageing editor needed the phrase translating." outsourced writing, too.
shinohai: In other "Nobody could have predicted" http://archive.is/wTi4C
mircea_popescu: soo... does the new baby LOOK TO YOU like it's yours ?
mircea_popescu: and here's a bit of an evolutionary biology mindbomb : since the ability to distinguish one's own sons from other's sons is positively selected in males, it is altogether probable males have developed the ability to recognize their own spawn as such.
mod6: thanks for the update
ascii_in_orcland: apologies for the l0gznoise. this box will not speak again unless my bouncer fails. but all gpggrams to end of the month should be addressed to this key, or reply will have to wait until nov 1.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see my measurements patch, and output, on the ml.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-story-of-the-little-shit/ << Trilema - The story of the little shit
asciilifeform: you gotta mechanically decouple the thing from the board somehow
asciilifeform: heavy heatsink held with conductive epoxy is in asciilifeform's experience more often than not a recipe for ripping the chip from the board, balls, tracks, and all
asciilifeform: when you bolt'em to an iron sheet, it gets pressed, so can still use it, but need the iron sheet
asciilifeform: the other problem with those is that they have no heat sink from vendor other than a little aluminum shim that depends on the stock iron case being there
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you don't ~want~ them in too high density
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 22:41 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1727091 << this is useful ! can be filled with, e.g., N pcengines boards ( they by default sell without the iron case )
mircea_popescu: teaching the kid to otp will surely give him something to blow schoolmates out of water.
diana_coman: hah, I can pass it on to his father then !!
asciilifeform: i have perelman's 'Живая математика', ended up making the cardano grille , making & breaking the usual caesar cipher, etc
diana_coman: but for some reason it's still my father's oscilloscope I remember better from that age (5), lol
diana_coman: I think there'll be some crypto play in this house, lol; tbh as a child this part of "secret" messages was terribly fun even as idea only
asciilifeform: this is how asciilifeform's brother taught him, with various household detritus
diana_coman: it is, yes; it just did not make it to the top of the pile really
asciilifeform: ' if these pair are opposite -- this is a 1 ' etc
diana_coman: asciilifeform, good idea actually; I suspect he needs more play with the whole point of throwing coin as it is ; part of what was difficult was precisely the "but why do you want to do that?"
asciilifeform remembers the copybook : 'a wolf sits under a tree and sings a long song' etc
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1727094 << 5 is when they started asciilifeform on englishism
a111: Logged on 2017-10-19 21:09 BingoBoingo: In other joys found http://www.buildablade.com/bb-itx96.htm
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-19#1727091 << this is useful ! can be filled with, e.g., N pcengines boards ( they by default sell without the iron case )
mircea_popescu: that weird little thing everyone's stuck fixing their watches by.
shinohai: lol in otc - 16:19 +joecool or fork the wot and start a weird little cult like mp did
diana_coman: q picture in there)
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, not yet hardware store as such, no; he does get to see though anything that is going on (computers being operated on included), he does get to help with anything that he is able to atm and he does get to assemble his own stuff (the most recent of which is a fully functional water pump model thing that kept him busy for days as per http://www.dianacoman.com/blog/2017/10/08/lictis-plictis-ori-boala-copilariei/ (poor
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Do you routinely take hime to the good playgorund (i.e. the hardware store)?
diana_coman: phf, quite; basically "white squiggles" from his point of view atm really; he noticed the letters, yes, because those he recognises as symbols but otherwise in any case, screws and cables way more interesting
phf: diana_coman: right, i guess it doesn't have any symbolic value, when there's no underlying concept associated with it
diana_coman: phf, neah, he ignored the logo entirely
mod6: shinohai: werd. about to log back in actually & checkout the mining today
phf: diana_coman: did you also explain the logo?
diana_coman: asciilifeform I guess I can vouch now for FG being "safe for kids" - 5 yo spotted one on my desk and asked the usual ton of questions BUT he figured out by himself that "it has a manual too, look!"
hanbot: anyway having spent a few years fulfilling copywriting specs i'll admit a fair amount of the work was absorbed in weighing whether a given spec-producer seemed likely to pull the penny-revision stuff
hanbot: they're syllollyms
asciilifeform: ( or see generic 'xenopatriot' pg on dramatica or was it the ru one )
mircea_popescu: well, it's a large country. richer than the us per capita, and certainly culturally stronger. so...
asciilifeform: so he's the... ro version of 'otaku' ?!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and 1910 romanian market is NOT fucking walmart, but "that place where we have reason to suspect more other people will come". << Well, that's sorta what walmart is in a more retarded fashion
diana_coman: that might be I guess; he certainly does write at least more than the 100 words thrown at the blank page half-randomly, certainly; not so sure if there is anything more than that
mircea_popescu: and 1910 romanian market is NOT fucking walmart, but "that place where we have reason to suspect more other people will come".
mircea_popescu: anyway. the arguments he presents don't work -- travel is much more likely in a country devastated by war than in one stable. in the latter case people feed themselves by tending to their crops ; but if no crops, they feed themselves by... GOING TO THE MARKET.
mircea_popescu: has the occasional* not original i mean.
mircea_popescu: basically, every time he doesn't use his own gut feelings, he's tolerably in the vicinty of truth.
mircea_popescu: he has the original well researched revisionist piece.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ugh, that guy always stank to me of americanism of the most annoying sort; and this "how could they have travelled" is precisely of that sort; "oh noes, how can one WALK a MILE???"
shinohai: http://archive.is/ICNd9 <<< I'd almost bet 1 BTC some redditard suggests they put this on "The Ethereum blockchain!!!" and it wouldn't happen.
mircea_popescu: they're a humourless lot.
mircea_popescu: what pantsuit theory passes laugh test ?
asciilifeform: theories generally oughta pass laugh test imho
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's a case of "i came up with this theory which is mine".
asciilifeform: and everybody ate, and it is not mega-mystery what they ate and how...
mircea_popescu: but whatever, "i can't see how people travelled before they had electric cars or why would a wife benefit from the occasional beating"
asciilifeform: so what's the mystery here
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that this is the 1900s, whereas peopel routinely travelled large distances in the cold and ate just five five centuries prior, and before that. because a) the cart of the time was intended as and functioned as a whole-family-mover, which is exactly how oregon trail happened ; and because the grain->bread and corn->mamaliga cycle permit something to the tune of 2mn calories per ton, ie enough to feed a family o
mircea_popescu: tl;dr dood who knows when automobile was invented "can not see" how 100k people could have travelled "in the cold" of early december over "long distances" and "what they would have eaten".
mircea_popescu: https://kingofromania.com/2014/12/03/the-curious-case-of-the-100-thousand/ << this is a delicious exercise in ignorance (from the same guy that's very carefully angered by the notion of beating women, o golly!).
asciilifeform: i pawed through the manual , looking for a 'do not install backup mem batt, we put that hole in while drunk' but found nope.
asciilifeform: and removal of the latter turns it, suddenly, into a usable item...
asciilifeform: took thing apart, found that the main cells DRAIN THROUGH THE BACKUP
asciilifeform: sooooo recently asciilifeform bought a 1990s-style electrodictionary for a language . and like any 1990s gadget, it also 'is a phone book, and organizer' and other misc rubbish , and this rubbish functionality required a DIFFERENT calibre of watch battery from the 2 main 3v cells. and would whine that 'memory batt low' etc, while draining main cells in MINUTES after insertion:
mircea_popescu: i don't credit the "oh, marketing is the only employee with ROI, everyone else just contributes to costs, marketing contributes to revenue". somebody's gotta make the shit you package and sell.
mircea_popescu: hey, a slim minority of the girls actually market their own produce to the point of obtaining cash for it. i see no serious problems with this situation.
asciilifeform: i knew a d00d who ended up in this typical meat grinder : he supplied 100% of the income, she -- 100% of the debt
mircea_popescu: this should be taught in "civil class" or w/e they call it in hs. but in any case -- don['t mary below your station, what.
mircea_popescu: actually it says that a) marriage is a corporation in which b) each spouse owns 50% and c) unless specifically excepted prior, all income of either party is assigned to it.
trinque: says your frou owns half of what you earn over the course of marriage
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking point of marriage is community property. whadda ya want
mircea_popescu: with any luck, your own mother.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes from experience i find the girls pick much better hookers than i do.

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