asciilifeform: other phunphakt : no anti-bum spikes on benches in timis
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but what you can't do there, is to not step on the detritus left behind by hooting, hollering 'human' detritus << What, your parks don't have department of picking up after park?
mircea_popescu: (i'd have asked how much with the love-hotel-with-lights for an hour)
asciilifeform: but what you can't do there, is to not step on the detritus left behind by hooting, hollering 'human' detritus
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu said he had bought plutonium in the same park -- i would also believe.
asciilifeform: the worst movie ever made.
mircea_popescu: this sounds like the set of a bad action movie.
asciilifeform: in dc suburbia typically just the latter, too poor to fence in parks
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: How do they lock you parks in Bmore? Do they hang a cable all the way around and pray to Petrus?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Surprisingly common story from the dope girls looking to stop doping
asciilifeform: also asciilifeform's mind was blown by the timis parks that are open 24/7
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform the folks with unlocked doors are often married galz trying to get cazalla a 3rd while he's not looking mmkay << Also lonely old people who are afraid lock door means they'll miss family's visits
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What is this lock on winch. Either flagpole is on ground and has knot, or on roof and has lock to roof because lulzsuits
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the folks with unlocked doors are often married galz trying to get cazalla a 3rd while he's not looking mmkay
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i was saving this for the travelogue, but will give 1 interesting example: the flagpoles in timis, have no locks on the winch.
asciilifeform: in theory there is no difference between u-235 and u-238; just take out the extra pieces!1111
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Door left unlocked here too, we don't have the urban folk to necessitate much locking
mircea_popescu: harem is mostly the very same western women with no visible drawback.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 13:07 cazalla: these fucking western women
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730654 << you know, there's no substantial difference betwene a bunch of idle idiots hanging around tardstalk type 1 and "consensus"-ing that bitcoin "needs larger blocks" and a not-even-different bunch of idle idiots hanging around tardstalk type n and "consensus"-ing that "deze western women".
asciilifeform: or whenever they last had proper lynchings.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: picture, there are barely any guards even in museums. folx leave doors unlocked.
BingoBoingo: The burbs are still longer walk.
BingoBoingo: Well, the exeburbs.
BingoBoingo: Nah, in the burbs
mircea_popescu: but the dubious advantage ("historic building!!!") is readily blown out by much nicer historical buildings in ancient civilised lands. get a palace in sibiu rather than a an ex brothel from the time of carol in bucharest.
mircea_popescu: there'd better be.
asciilifeform: there are idjits in any country neh.
mircea_popescu: romania also has the "million dollar condo flat" delusion, on like calea victoriei in bucharest etc. similar to moscow seattle what have you
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo similarily to "whcih house", we presume these matched.
mircea_popescu: a further 3 to 5x away from the original 3x the bum's fare. which is how this works, after all.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> well no, in ro you get a house, in theory, for what a harley costs in usa. << Which harley? This is the 1.2k to 100.2k question
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also was an option to me. iirc they were trying to retail it to rando sucker for 105 or such.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i bought some lillies yest, maybe 1-2 kgs or so for like 2 bux. decided i liked them, sent girl to buy out the shop.
a111: Logged on 2015-09-07 03:12 mircea_popescu: had the option to buy it for like 80k, which i didn't take.
asciilifeform: i sat there and wondered how often american banx dispense pseudobenjies to unsuspecting idjits
asciilifeform: they had this very elaborate contraption for supposedly ferreting out faek benjies
mircea_popescu: well that's nice then.
mircea_popescu: doubt you can rent it for cash either.
mircea_popescu: they wouldn't have even shot at me, i'm 100% sure, just got out of the way and scratched heads wtf.
mircea_popescu: could have used it to dig out the local jandarmerie building.
mircea_popescu: did not fucking bother to ask if i can even drive it.
mircea_popescu: dude... i went into the lot, asked for the boss, they pointed me to the office-latrine, i was like "i want an excavator" he was like "50 a day" "i was like here" then he pointed out the window to machinery.
mircea_popescu: if the medieval mercenary experience taught us anything.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731027 << same exact http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731342 as before -- if you own a construction crew, yes. otherwise, no.
mircea_popescu: the "harley worth" place in romania will rent in romania for what the harley leases for in the us. wtf.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu did quote '50k usd' for the house he wrote about.
mircea_popescu: you imagine discounted market values don't work in romania or what the fuck.
asciilifeform: well no, in ro you get a house, in theory, for what a harley costs in usa.
mircea_popescu: (similar to how exams, or sentences work -- you're more than welcome to appeal, but you can end up with a worse outcome! you didn't like your 6, here's a 4. you didn't like the 5 years, here's 7.)
asciilifeform: i like the idea of my recurring monthly expenses being 3fig. and this aint happening with leases.
mircea_popescu: so in general they tend not to dare.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731023 << you can. provided that they are not damaging to the property (no, change is not presumptively damage) the only avenue of owner is to protest to whatever authority, which may or may not inspect, and generally will write down some subevaluation of your improvements. which the owner will be held to pay when you leave.
mircea_popescu: this, ftr, is the ONLY way rent works. anything else, see above discussion re torrens title.
mircea_popescu: if concerned, add auto-renewal, they can never kick you out as long as you pay.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731021 << not at all ; for one thing you take a 3 or 5 year lease ; this works as an option -- you can stay or leave, they can;'t kick you out.
mircea_popescu: some things are better served by industrial rather than artesanal solutions.
mircea_popescu: but you can have the bare-concrete matchbox flats, those are a nightmare in terms of heat efficiency. which generally why cheap.
mircea_popescu: thereabouts anyway.
asciilifeform: i saw the fat, fat spools of fiber, and billboards promising 1G/s for 9bux/mo.
a111: Logged on 2012-08-16 09:08 mircea_popescu: Luceo no joke on either score. romania interwebz is like top 5 IN THE WERLD.
asciilifeform: and i used to live at that parallel , know what the winter loox like.
mircea_popescu: and timisoara, technically is mediteranean climate, has figs. except one year there it had a winter of pure doom, people died in teh streets etc.
asciilifeform: the diff b/w what i pay for ~fiber~ nao, and would pay there, alone, would prolly pay for small flat
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1731019 << i never paid anything notable in property tax, even for whole buildings. typically it's the last in a sorted list of property bills, under even de-snowing services and such.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: tonal << Only 8 of them
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 15:15 asciilifeform: i'ma have to research, but i'd bet money that it is true. otherwise americans would have snapped up all of the country, and there would not exist such a thing as a 50k-usd house in timis.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730997 << this is doubtless. ustards are called tards because they are tards, not because we want or like to call them tards.
mircea_popescu: (if different principle -- do reconsider "ownership" there.)
mircea_popescu: basically you go there with the owner, he provides all the paperwork they want, thassit.
mircea_popescu: usa never invented anything worth the mention.
mircea_popescu: 100% objeciton means not-the-owner.
asciilifeform: well it dun have to be literal whack, could be dud contract or some other variant of 'you paid but dun own nuffin'
mircea_popescu: for that matter, when's the last time yo usaw anyone get out of the car with a tire iron in hand ?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 15:09 asciilifeform: what's to keep the counterparty from whacking you over the head and taking the phree gift ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730980 << you overestimate people's grit. most people who own a building imagine their biosack's "worth a lot more" than that, will not deign to risk it over such a piddly item as a sackful of dough. WHAT IF HE BITES BACK!?!?!?!
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 15:08 diana_coman: ahahaha; logically it should be, yeah; but re "where to live" - you can buy a house in some village for a few thousands max, not exactly need bank either so dunno that being a huge trouble in itself; then again, each with their own problems to solve
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 15:04 diana_coman: asciilifeform, not really; former requires someone to go with you and say you can live in their house/flat etc
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730975 << most kids get ro papers by having their parents say they let them stay in.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 15:00 asciilifeform: also afaik you still need a saecular bank in the loop to buy real estate there.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730970 << nah, can buy for cash. heck, can buy for personal notes. the "buying" in proper countries (ie, with torens title) is the act of registration of property ownership ; you can do that by declaration.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 14:58 asciilifeform: there's maybe 3 people who i trust to be physically present in a room where i bring a btc privkey. and none of them live in ro.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730969 << this makes no sense, does it ? you... call the operator to authorize a pre-arranged payment. way this has worked since days of fugger.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 14:52 asciilifeform: if my name is in its papers anywhere -- then yes
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 14:33 diana_coman: I'm sure it's not even the only citizenship for sale for that matter
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730924 << moreover, when buying citizenship, always buy the cheapest.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 13:58 cazalla: my daugther, so beautiful, maybe fathers bias https://imgur.com/a/4ejEM
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730886 << dawg you gotta make more human lines. wtf is this bs, three words to the line.
mircea_popescu: have industrial (well, restaurant) strength garbage disposal put in for the placentae and aquajets for light play on the side, you're golden. 20-30 sqm of water amply suffices.
mircea_popescu: they call spawners "whales" for a reason you know.
mircea_popescu: correct solution is to just use the spawning pool, "always a woman or two in there, and a buncha infants".
mircea_popescu: well there's no such thing as standard acquarium. but sure, keep the temperature reasonable, an hour or two at a stretch, can be multiple passes per day.
asciilifeform: swap the water instead of diaper... genius
mircea_popescu: anyway, the obvious solution is keep baby in water.
a111: Logged on 2015-07-10 17:56 ascii_field: most recently, when digging out the 'mother nature' infanticide study link for ben_vulpes
asciilifeform: sorta hilarious, anglos turned the (elementary, but for some reason 'unprintable') fact that some % of females, 'apoptote' their spawn -- into a faux-epidemiological clusterfuck
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730829 << the aetiology is usually mechanic not genetic. kid spends too much time laid flat. mostly due to you know, "keep baby on back lest it suddenly dies" anglo-nonsense.
mircea_popescu: i can't discern if 16yos will grow up into dumb or not half the time. HALF THE TIME!
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 13:34 cazalla: but her father so motivated, so rich, take care of of her every concern
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730817 << never a good idea to entertain the byproduct of uppity fathers. he wants her, he can appassionata all over her ass.
asciilifeform: then surprising that i saw only 1 such.
mircea_popescu: "then get rocket, beotch!!1"
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, the only item ever so transported as far as anyone knows is diana's dildo that one time.
mircea_popescu: well, whatever they do. same-day except it crosses borders so next week kthx.
asciilifeform: for 30-40 i can split it into suitcases and give 10 people phree vacation so they carry'em, lol.
asciilifeform: get an 'antonov' or the like
asciilifeform: they will ferry megatonne! if you want to pay, lol.
mircea_popescu routinely gets airlines to ferry tons for him. they're generally happy to, at least the better ones, if you're willing to do it by arrangement.
mircea_popescu: what's the liftoff weight calculated at ?
asciilifeform: upstack, asciilifeform came to realize that ru knuth might come with him in the launch capsule, but orig. prollynot.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 13:28 cazalla: but mircea_popescu always complaining of these people
asciilifeform: they have a phrase,
mircea_popescu: but do you know what the measure of inteligence is ?
mircea_popescu: dja have the "why do chukcha go about in pairs ?" "they teach one to read and the other to write" one ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this took the shape of ... milytsia man offered.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 13:28 cazalla: and fuck them and make babies
asciilifeform: the comp, of course, has more or less made this unfunny.
asciilifeform: there is a chukcha story about this
mircea_popescu: all i can think of is seinfeld not understanding what books are. "they're books. once you've read them, you've read them. what do you need them for."
asciilifeform: nao i only look at the ru b00kz
mircea_popescu: don't touch the moustache!
mircea_popescu: and wtf, "let's have no v, so then use W for V, so then use an imaginary L for v" and so on nonsense.
mircea_popescu: polish will get 27 letters ; much like every teen cocklet will eventually get fucked. the only point of difference being that retards, so slightly later.
mircea_popescu: bureaucracy will always try to create an unicode ; and the unicode will never matter. that's linguistics in one phrase.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 15:42 mircea_popescu: there's more languages than linguistic mechanisms
asciilifeform: yes but nobody promised anyone that roman script will cover their phonemes
mircea_popescu: grammatical notation is the same ancient idiocy keeps propping head up.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gimme a break. the issue here is that notation MUST BE PHONETIC. never grammatical.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform croatian idem conlang, after their little war each side pretended the euros pay for translators to translate from serb to serb.
mircea_popescu: experience shows they were not needed ; same EXACT goes for polish
asciilifeform: ( for n00bz, modern czech is a conlang. in 19th c very few literate folx in present-day czechia used it, they spoke german )
mircea_popescu: not just the usual crap but also Ĭ , ŭ, ó, é, ḑ instead of fucking z, because hurr durr gotta notate the dz, ê even and so fucking following.
asciilifeform: wouldja have preferred that they had germanized and lost own language entirely, like the czechs had ?
asciilifeform: the slavonic text on icons etc
asciilifeform: i did ! in the arts museum
mircea_popescu: back when the romanians were pole-dumb too ?
mircea_popescu: (this is a very specific thing, watch some 60s/70s nazisploitations, get the "german" as spoken by cheap italian meat)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform modern ru sounds like tinto brass paid a bunch of whores from the periphery of rome to read phonetic notation of ivan's testament, yes.
asciilifeform: ( per the finnish thread )
mircea_popescu: "let's make grammatical rather than phonetical notation because wouldn't be dumb enough just by being dumb, gotta also advertise it"
mircea_popescu: very. except they got A, instead of O and O, instead of U and assorted idiocies.
asciilifeform: at least ro cut the orcograms down to 5
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nfi why they hallucinated a need for 32 letters to write down a ~mostly latin sounding language. or w/e, if you prefer, very-soft-slavic.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !~later tell cazalla iirc wywialm is polish, maybe he shows you all the hussy watering holes then.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730731 << polish is shockingly not-as-hard-as-the-insane-notation-promises.
asciilifeform: the 'let's bring in africa for good rapefest' thing dun do much for asciilifeform
asciilifeform: also 'radio wasn't working' but then later 'we made contact with officials on island'
asciilifeform: 'Appel and Fuiava, along with their two dogs, were found last week, drifting about 900 miles southeast of Japan' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: kinda what precipitated the age of sail.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 13:05 shinohai: There are no decent women in my location. I feel I have nothing to talk about with them - their idea of literature is the "Sweet Valley High" series or Stephanie Meyer shit.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730643 << this might be the point every young male agrees on.
mircea_popescu: imo more likely the males will just work and die like drones. indians are rather worthless martially.
asciilifeform: after the glass and 2-3 half-lives yea
mircea_popescu: incomprehensible how the cuntperl code works to balance the blocks, but it fucking balances the blocks.
mircea_popescu: the new litters are like 62-65% female
mircea_popescu: diana_coman they gave it up, and guess what ? it rebounded.
mircea_popescu: there's always 1.05 or so for each.
asciilifeform: there ain't even decent burians 'enough for everyone', much less water, air, or gurlz
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730607 << the same is true of 10k ukrs. quality is not abundant and in no case enoughj to go around.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730598 << myeah. lulz of all fucking time ; and note how they're not "we were wrong, obviously, because we're fucktards, so now begins our seven year slave term to our betters" ; they instead "pivoted". cuz saying words is always easier and mom-state will leave the food tray next to room door.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730589 << this is actually a common ... "mistake" let's say. add to the "hungarian languages -> jew / romanian commerce -> anything but" also the "if you meet a german in colonial posessions, it;s a pole."
mircea_popescu: "- Ai de grija sa nu le faci prea destepte ca se mai mintuie specia sau ceva." <> "take care to not have daugthers too smart, lest the species ends"
asciilifeform: where you need 1e6 of mircea_popescu's fathers, to make a mircea_popescu , etc
mircea_popescu: left to its own devices, preteen believes the tv box, too ; and shit it read on reddit and etcetera.
mircea_popescu: the only fucking problem is that the young uns tend to listen to them as if they were people, by virtue of the indiscriminate cluelessness of youth -- they'd listen to a puppy if it could speak, on the basis of it having snuggled with them.
mircea_popescu: anyway, without a majority of mule there;d be no young hussies next year period.
asciilifeform: hence the lul
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that could not be so. there's also fewer cunts than dresses. if there weren't, cunt couldn't be meaningful.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ur- was coopted in artspeech to denote a typical or originating example, like trilema is the ur-blog and rome the ur-usg.
mircea_popescu: there's more languages than linguistic mechanisms
asciilifeform bought a bag of sov-era kidz b00kz from the gypsy fleamarker, has been enjoying
mircea_popescu: and obviously stramula is her ancestor ; stra-x works to denote older-same-relative, like great- ; as bunic (grandfather) / strabunic (great-grandfather).
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, it means a (nominally) female result of the procreation of donkey inside mare.
mircea_popescu: these are, in trilema mythology, universally blamed for young women that miss out on their slice of life.
mircea_popescu: mula is romanian for a dumb female. used in trilema to denote cazalla's wife, ie a female that is a) aged herself out of the sexual market with b) nothing to show for it who c) nevertheless clings to the theory she has a say in how her life plays and d) has constructed an elaborate ideological infrastructure to accomodate the foregoingt nonsense (generally, a retelling of pantsuitism) alongside e) a social group of her exact
asciilifeform: i keep encountering these in trilema
mircea_popescu: kinda like the dumb latino whores, going about trying to "live their life" as 30+ yos with children. cuz at 16 they believed their mulamothers, aunts and grandmothers.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730579 << you all have in common that you take too long, and by the time you finally concede to act it's too late at best.
asciilifeform: ftr bucharest was great, exactly 'neuromancer', sky was even the colour of televisor set between channels!111
asciilifeform: what i pay in rent in shitland right now, in 1 yr, would buy a modest house in timis. 2y would buy the house mircea_popescu described ( per his rated figure ). 3 would buy one of those dilapidated palaces.
diana_coman has helped own folks at reworks; not afraid of it, but not terribly fond of it either
asciilifeform: point being, i want to convert a pile of soon to be worthless paper, into actual ownership of something ( even as basic as machine to keep the rain out. )
diana_coman: "massive reworks" meant in my head dig foundations and from there up; not that it can't be done with own hands, I know
asciilifeform: whatever it is, it would have to be , e.g., 50% ( on a theoretical 50k usd haus ) to even equal asciilifeform's current rent !!
asciilifeform: diana_coman: do you happen to know the % rate in ro ?
diana_coman: you mean you pay a tax calculated based on the value of each of your "owned" properties?
asciilifeform: in usa there is massive property tax
asciilifeform: where isn't there ?
diana_coman: ugh, you do know that there is a "property tax" in Romania, right?
asciilifeform: if it weren't glued, it wouldn't be there.
asciilifeform: whole thing quite resembles the 'silver coin glued to the asphalt' everyone encounters in childhood
asciilifeform: and entire q would then be uninteresting to asciilifeform . just like he isn't interested in buenos aires.
asciilifeform: i'ma have to research, but i'd bet money that it is true. otherwise americans would have snapped up all of the country, and there would not exist such a thing as a 50k-usd house in timis.
diana_coman: I guess it might be more of a trouble if there still is that thing with "can't own land" if foreigner, dunno if even still true
diana_coman: again, maybe things have changed in the last years, I haven't really looked at it
asciilifeform: the problem is if you are a foreigner with no legal recourse.
diana_coman: anyway you need public notary for the official papers
diana_coman: the story is even somewhere on the RO blog but focused on the total idiocy so not of much interest for your trouble directly
diana_coman: things might have changed but ~6 years ago when I tried (got fed up with the seller being an idiot but that's another story) they were positively NOT wanting a bank anyways; it was some 26k flat ftr
asciilifeform: what's to keep the counterparty from whacking you over the head and taking the phree gift ?
diana_coman: ahahaha; logically it should be, yeah; but re "where to live" - you can buy a house in some village for a few thousands max, not exactly need bank either so dunno that being a huge trouble in itself; then again, each with their own problems to solve
diana_coman: asciilifeform, not really; former requires someone to go with you and say you can live in their house/flat etc
asciilifeform: when i was doing the passport question homework, saw requirement 'prove that you have where to live' and 'prove you have income' . the former requires a title or lease in own human name; the latter - bank acct.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-25 17:29 mircea_popescu: as a general rule you don't want personal property registered with the fiatistans.
asciilifeform: ( and yes there was mircea_popescu's http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728731 thread . which left me with a flavour of 'real estate ownership ain't even a thing any moar, unless you can personally afford to pay an army' )
asciilifeform: there's maybe 3 people who i trust to be physically present in a room where i bring a btc privkey. and none of them live in ro.
asciilifeform: ( and yes this is physically possible without banks, if your wot is developed enough to subsume the function of banks etc. but mine ain't )
asciilifeform: usg VERY much dislikes its inmates escaping (with 'their' moneys)
asciilifeform: if my name is in its papers anywhere -- then yes
diana_coman: if you start a business there -does it also get usg-taxed?
asciilifeform: in this sense they 'beg' in usa likewise, lol
diana_coman: ah, ah; so basically they even beg you to ...stop using banks?
asciilifeform: and most eu banks won't open one at all if the only passport you bring is usa
diana_coman: o.O you mean they won't open a bank account for you?
asciilifeform: at least in the usual sense
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i can move right now, what i can't do there is have bank acct
diana_coman: asciilifeform, well, the way I see it it anyway makes more sense to simply move where you want to be
mod6: with comba, for instance, as with others (ex. karatsuba): i tend to go and read the papers on it, then review the code and see how ffa is doing it. etc.
mod6: and that's working pretty great. just now digging into comba and other higher-level ones. not writing tests on those yet -- just studying, reading.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 14:32 diana_coman: asciilifeform, iirc cyprus was selling citizenship and discounting it even; don't quite recall what was the last price though
diana_coman: anyone knows a leemon baird and his hashgraph thing? it seems to be based on gossip so perhaps something interesting in there although I have to say that a first read was more like reading propaganda
mod6: been studying ffa most of the month.
diana_coman: and otherwise tending serpents and keccaks - still working on figuring those out properly
diana_coman: chugging along, collecting some data on the mpi-sane-based rsa stuff
diana_coman: I'm sure it's not even the only citizenship for sale for that matter
diana_coman: asciilifeform, iirc cyprus was selling citizenship and discounting it even; don't quite recall what was the last price though
asciilifeform: the one in ro, for instance, appears to need 8 yrs of hanging around with usa shitpassport; 4 if you have 1e6 eur to sacrifice
a111: Logged on 2017-10-31 04:07 BingoBoingo: <felipelalli> Ahah ok! I guess it would be easy to get a Brazilian residency. << Try telling that to the Brazilian consulate of Chicago
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730566 << per asciilifeform's research, 'residency' is pretty easy to get just short of anywhere. the 1 gotcha is that you need an actual new passport if you want to be rid of usa pederasty, and those are separate and harder puzzle.