ben_vulpes: weren't you gambling opm?
ben_vulpes: missing out on all that sweet vix
ben_vulpes: http://www.a-k-r.org/mphash/ << adlai dis? 404?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: no, it's not phf's, it's magit and i think ediff
ben_vulpes to find a fork
ben_vulpes: we can therefore we must!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: did you see my diff-wut screenshot from last night?
ben_vulpes: whoa neato
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i had a complaint about this a while back, reindenting for multiple-value-bind and destructuring-bind and friends
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-05#1596657 << yeah i found this when casually comparing the output of 'pdiff' (phf's version) with that of vdiff
ben_vulpes: bbl
ben_vulpes: among other things
ben_vulpes: there is some value in it but as mentioned before i have a c++ itch what needs scratching
ben_vulpes: i'll think on this
ben_vulpes: i could use proper docstrings at that even
ben_vulpes: i did not realize that the patch could contain comments that do not affect its output, is that so?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: aye, 'twas a step in that direction
ben_vulpes: take that, flexport and co
ben_vulpes: https://gcaptain.com/maersk-teams-up-with-e-commerce-giant-alibaba-to-offer-online-booking
ben_vulpes: WHOA
ben_vulpes: in other crackpotteries up asciilifeform's dark alley: http://0100101110101101.org/biennale-py/
ben_vulpes: mimblewimble
ben_vulpes: kewl
ben_vulpes: ~= "dynamic programming"?
ben_vulpes: "dynamic algorithm" is term of art?
ben_vulpes: needleman-wunsch
ben_vulpes: integration by s.limbs
ben_vulpes: is there any sort of spec for "what difftron entails"?
ben_vulpes: not immediately, but i will load it up
ben_vulpes: i was hit with the ugly stick at birth, you can't scare me
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: out of curiosity, what entails "difftron" ?
ben_vulpes: kinda (gasp) itching to get my fingers into some cpp tho
ben_vulpes: study needleman-wunsch is in my todo list
ben_vulpes: that title is entirely incorrect
ben_vulpes: investor?
ben_vulpes: *investors'
ben_vulpes: transformative humbug
ben_vulpes: https://blog.medium.com/renewing-mediums-focus-98f374a960be#.8gsm40qwc << "we have no fucking idea how to make money from livejournal in 2017, but that's not going to stop us from lighting our investor's capital on fire and warming ourselves in front of it while lamenting the capitalist system!"
ben_vulpes: quite the mashup
ben_vulpes: mnemnion: fix your connection
ben_vulpes: i have the distinct impression that i am blithering madly to davout
ben_vulpes: if the dark green indicates "preserved" then it's confusing the opener for (format with the opener for (let
ben_vulpes: also the preserved section goes from one line to two, and the diff-o-tron isn't saying anything about the leading paren on that bottom line
ben_vulpes: notice how the mapcar line is highlight moar red to convey moar meaning
ben_vulpes: davout: i think the highlighting is trying to tell me that it thinks that `format t "~{~A~}"' persisted from the previous commit to this one
ben_vulpes: http://imgur.com/a/KuPJv << some kind of voodoo magic in there knows i moved that format string around
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-09#1268284 << for the life of me i cannot find the thread to which you're referring here
ben_vulpes: bbl food
ben_vulpes: i don't even programming and don't do that
ben_vulpes: how do people accidentally old code
ben_vulpes: cute
ben_vulpes: heh
ben_vulpes: k ty
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the ~1993 version is the original?
ben_vulpes: thanks
ben_vulpes: k
ben_vulpes: ...
ben_vulpes: typical aws digitalocean thingers
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: has libkez on tap?
ben_vulpes: these episode 2 crickets are unsettling, perhaps i need to write more things for people to disagree with
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-04#1596139 << fixed, ty
ben_vulpes: ;)
ben_vulpes: wyrdmantis: again with the laptop messages
ben_vulpes: why is 'fixed number of cpu cycles' a great thing?
ben_vulpes: i am no karman reincarnate with god's knowledge
ben_vulpes: b-but turbulence!
ben_vulpes: myup.
ben_vulpes: mhm
ben_vulpes: or point me at something to read?
ben_vulpes: elaborate?
ben_vulpes: very similar inputs could, even over long runs, result in very similar outputs
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it would be utterly nutso to consider an ode/fluids sim as a hashing function, right?
ben_vulpes: amusing on so very many levels
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i suspect that if i start to explore this risk manifold i will have trouble not ratcheting the risk back
ben_vulpes: trained response to risky dynamics problems
ben_vulpes: yeah see when they start talking like this my flugenboner starts to droop
ben_vulpes: note! this does not mean the wings are not horizontal
ben_vulpes: horses and women as opportunity presented
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sailboats, motorbots, cars, bicycles mostly
ben_vulpes: i have only recently developed an interest in ice flugen mobiles
ben_vulpes: fuck levers, pressure on the wheels should engage hard interlock
ben_vulpes: triggered
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i misspeak, 'as an integer'
ben_vulpes: (fwiw i'm down to the last ghostly suggestion, which was to read in the hash as a bignum)
ben_vulpes: unless i misunderstand, the project is truly blocked on making checkpoints configurable.
ben_vulpes: haven't made checkpoints configurable, so solipsist nodes won't even mine
ben_vulpes: so -- zero
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've been working on phf's recommendations of late
ben_vulpes: i generally assume "everyone will clap" but rarely have that for which
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: just trying to get the guy up to speed
ben_vulpes: ~noon
ben_vulpes: davout: dunno, "just biked into office after spending as much time with family as i wanted o'clock"?
ben_vulpes: davout: "impossible without gossipd" according to asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: davout: you know maybe i need another cup of coffee
ben_vulpes: leastaways not in my head
ben_vulpes: because "map-reduce" does not reduce to "here's how i'm going to solve specifically the case where thread n finds an unspent out and thread n+1 finds its spent and in the reducing phase i collate everything proper-like"
ben_vulpes: no
ben_vulpes: davout: what if one thread finds a tx spent that another thread finds the unspent for
ben_vulpes: davout: aye
ben_vulpes: mod6: or was it shorter?
ben_vulpes: davout: a full rescan of the blockchain takes ~12 hours on mod6's machine
ben_vulpes: instead of maintaining whole 'utxo pool', rescan for specific addresses on demand, shit utxos for that addr onto disk.
ben_vulpes: davout: or to lean on the clunk, right?
ben_vulpes: davout: i imagined this as a component of bear stone and skin knife transacting
ben_vulpes: mod6: listunspent takes arbitrary addresses or just what's in the wallet already?
ben_vulpes: davout: have you considered hammering a spigot in for "gimme utxo's relevant to this address"?
ben_vulpes: holy fuq nearly lost a toe on the ride in it's so cold
ben_vulpes: phf: neat, thanks
ben_vulpes: anways, merry 2017, y'all. make up yr own bloodthirsty paeans.
ben_vulpes: imma finish this phf-inspired patch and fix the miner
ben_vulpes: get in there
ben_vulpes: davout: i thought like 5 people lived there
ben_vulpes: mm
ben_vulpes: and?
ben_vulpes: probably wanted to let you know you had some past-due taxes
ben_vulpes: oh that old scam
ben_vulpes: showed up asking questions at one of his places of work iirc, but cannot find a line
ben_vulpes: not even the usb charger in the cigarette lighter
ben_vulpes: mats: odd in that - somewhat secured lot, by far the least enticing vehicle in it (nothing on the seats in stark contrast to next car over), window smashed, lock popped, nothing taken
ben_vulpes: whocoodanode he'd buy the republican party
ben_vulpes: i had an odd car buglaring mid 2015
ben_vulpes: or you know wherever bb spends his time
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform had some odd folks visit his office, BingoBoingo idem
ben_vulpes: mats: send me a cram?
ben_vulpes: fireworks are just marvelous for a fourteen month old's sleep
ben_vulpes: yes asciilifeform pops each one by hand
ben_vulpes: what is "clever" territory?
ben_vulpes: imma leave phuctor to stuff the log, kid is awake and i'm going to squeeze a skosh more dopamine out of the evening
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: seriously the cryptic theatrics grate
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: fwiw i watched it before pinging you, nevertheless
ben_vulpes: that was ~it
ben_vulpes: look put a proper promotional video together you'd be happy to see in public
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: i saw a few names and project details, figured they were placeholder content
ben_vulpes: i have utterly nfi why you want it held tightly
ben_vulpes: why you insist on unloading into your own foot is /beyond/ me
ben_vulpes: dog
ben_vulpes: decrypted and viewed, imma host it for you. decrypted.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: ack
ben_vulpes: bbl
ben_vulpes: but anything with google in the dns is not hosted what madness are you spouting
ben_vulpes: for some reason my child is motoring about
ben_vulpes: just out of curiosity, asciilifeform, why is key download...a submit button?
ben_vulpes: *jackpot*
ben_vulpes: wait is phuctor serving pages or not
ben_vulpes juggling own turds
ben_vulpes: ah
ben_vulpes: how does your gpg know it's been revoked
ben_vulpes: how does phuctor know the key's been revoked?
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: imma host this thing for you, k?
ben_vulpes: anyways, tty'alll
ben_vulpes: howabout u6
ben_vulpes: i was making an m3 joke too! cool!
ben_vulpes: mats: usg and data in the same sentence, hyuuu
ben_vulpes: heh
ben_vulpes: i don't want to hear about your laptop status omg
ben_vulpes: wyrdmantis: ffs get a bouncer
ben_vulpes: eg mortars, that anti-ship device that pops up and comes right back down
ben_vulpes: mats: does the dome at least handle steep ballistics decently?
ben_vulpes: amusingly, .is actually wrote the book on rocketry-resistant fleets. turns out -- many small boats. hard to do that with the holy tent.
ben_vulpes: the only actual anti-rocketry defense being "don't be anywhere near targets of interest"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what i mean to say is that it's about the only thing one could deploy around that many folks, is something that goes blooie in the air rather than a zillion rather-fast bullets most of which will come back down at lethal speeds
ben_vulpes: can't exactly light the computer-controlled machine gun off at inbound targets over heavily populated areas
ben_vulpes: ooh ooh or the ruskies who burnt hundies on camera for the transfer back to us treasury!
ben_vulpes: moon landing of cryptocurrencies
ben_vulpes: so trust
ben_vulpes: that's the one with the magic secret data that peter todd nominally destroyed?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: buying drinks is one thing, girl soaking everything in sight less common
ben_vulpes: never seen anything like it in my life
ben_vulpes wiggles eyebrows
ben_vulpes: don't
ben_vulpes: baaad videography
ben_vulpes: in other eurolols https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C12F4MM71q0
ben_vulpes hands davout a beer
ben_vulpes: phf: i think this is pretty neat, have wondered about your x-referencer etc
ben_vulpes: still needs signing, yeah
ben_vulpes: hey, the power rangers wanted 20mb blocks for whatever reason. i want indices.
ben_vulpes: ^
ben_vulpes: davout: cheeky
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: we're cramming a year+ of wallet into davout's head now that he's paying attention again
ben_vulpes: fine i'm going to go scream in a corner where i'm sure i'm the only one listening
ben_vulpes: which is why index the whole blockchaaaaaain
ben_vulpes: 'inspected for pertinent-to-me tx' is a subset of 'index blocks sanely'
ben_vulpes: wallet boils down to 'index of txen paying to addresses i care about' anyways
ben_vulpes: any sane trb that doesn't index tx on output address i suppose
ben_vulpes: today, yes
ben_vulpes: index with symlinks on address too why not
ben_vulpes: with the current mechanism you'll have to import those addresses and rescan some amount of the blockchain to find the utxos you want
ben_vulpes: loya
ben_vulpes: davout: and you get this list of utxos how?
ben_vulpes: at issue here is "where do the coins go" and "how to select the utxos to sign"
ben_vulpes: one of you is using it to describe the process of selecting signable unspent transaction outputs and another using it to describe the new outputs created
ben_vulpes: you two are using "output selection" to mean two different things
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: he's still digesting "how to cut the wallet", let him ask for the things for which he's going to ask
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sorry, what?
ben_vulpes: davout's a rubyist, don't expect rigor in terminology from him mod6 :P
ben_vulpes: davout: ^^
ben_vulpes: create and sign at least may be testable via the boost testing framework that's already in place
ben_vulpes: mod6: "test[ing] this" is actually how i got on the alpha centauri miner quest
ben_vulpes: ty jurov
ben_vulpes: because it has to keep track of the inputs for all of the addresses it made ten minutes ago
ben_vulpes: davout: yup
ben_vulpes: jurov: have you run msft updater today? :P
ben_vulpes: sometimes verifying a new block
ben_vulpes: davout: my node is for example, busy sometimes serving blocks to other people
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-30#1593697 << scripting is too much work, just manually dump every block and then manually load it into trb once the previous eat completes. nice meditative activity
ben_vulpes: i'm off, later davout
ben_vulpes: i believe that mod6 has a solid one as well, pete_dushenski's has been blackholed of late
ben_vulpes: i use whirling rust, he -- ssd's.
ben_vulpes: either asciilifeform's or mine
ben_vulpes: not that it cannot be done that way, but it is faster other ways.
ben_vulpes: and waste time negotiating connections
ben_vulpes: otherwise trb may decide to ask utter randos for blocks
ben_vulpes: davout: you will sync far more quickly if you -connect to a single, high reliability, high bandwidth node during sync
ben_vulpes: davout: congrats!
ben_vulpes: amusing innit that the father of the since-aborted 'blockchain spam' meme is now spamming irc
ben_vulpes: mod6: how does that help me filter luke-jr's spam and not noobs?
ben_vulpes: i see a new face at the back of the hall, i'm going to give them the opportunity to at least say hello and introduce themselves.
ben_vulpes: i will not spend the time to figure out how to mute everyone but noobs i've never seen before
ben_vulpes: it is visible and annoying. stop it.
ben_vulpes: for those who *still* miss the point, joining and parting is opening and closing the squeaky doors on a hall where 5 people are arguing and 500 muffling laughter and groans
ben_vulpes: a join and an up, which is predicated on the obvious
ben_vulpes: wear a shirt with last weeks sweat stains on it, it's not like you're that important
ben_vulpes: nah, park your boat on the lawn, who cares
ben_vulpes: it's like omfg even aws is barely 10us/mo for a vps you don't have to trust
ben_vulpes: what part of bumfuckistan do you live in that prevents colo access?
ben_vulpes: you want to matter in crypto but "nah bro, it's just my isp" at me?
ben_vulpes: top 10 in disconnects over the year? no problem?
ben_vulpes: !!up luke-jr
ben_vulpes: luke-jr: i know you're awake and reading this because you pm'd me. don't pretend otherwise, it's downright foolish.
ben_vulpes: one can patch an empty directory with an arbitrary patch and extract the filenames patch wanted to hit
ben_vulpes: phf: when it works, it outputs the list of patched files
ben_vulpes: !up luke-jr well did you read the link or what
ben_vulpes: wait phf hang on no i don't think i'm going to do the largest common, i think i'm just going to use the output of patch to figure out what was actually patched
ben_vulpes: felipelalli, vexare, wyrdmantis, Sinclair6, luke-jr please fix your bouncers
ben_vulpes: in other unixisms: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Lwefz/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: tight
ben_vulpes: ^^ mircea_popescu asciilifeform mod6 trinque and any other vtronicists pls to opine
ben_vulpes: phf: when i crack my v again in the morrow, i'm going to implement hash-checking against longest common directory tree
ben_vulpes: BLOOD SPORTS
ben_vulpes: aaaaah
ben_vulpes: ah i see
ben_vulpes: eager juvenile algos are eager and juvenile
ben_vulpes: ah <p gotcha
ben_vulpes: i would also like to see the vdiff into which you're piping diff, mostly out of curiosity
ben_vulpes: "tee p" just papers your house with the output or what
ben_vulpes: what is `p'?
ben_vulpes: good to know that terminal prompt of yours survived the trip through the pastebin